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Religions > Atheism |
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"loose cannon" |
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16 Jun 2005 05:27:35 AM |
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Internationalize Jerusalem |
The time has come to once again address the issue of Jerusalem. Despite
the current goodwill amongst Israeli's and Palestinians, the final
status of Jerusalem is far too important to all the peoples of the
world to allow only these two entities to determine. The UN should
immediately convene and debate whether it is in everyones best
interests for this holiest of cities to be nationalized, beholden to no
one nation or people. The members of the Security Council could arrange
security concerns and deal with any nation that refuses to abide by the
UN's decision.
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| User: "Col. Mortimer" |
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| Title: Re: Internationalize Jerusalem |
16 Jun 2005 03:53:19 PM |
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This idea is not new. it was part of the 1949 armistice agreement
negotiated by Ralphe bunche. The Arabs reneged on it before the ink was
dry.
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| User: "Mickey" |
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| Title: Re: Internationalize Jerusalem |
16 Jun 2005 04:07:25 PM |
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"Col. Mortimer" <bobbynonek@lycos.com> wrote in message
news:1118937199.358768.11110@o13g2000cwo.googlegroups.com...
This idea is not new. it was part of the 1949 armistice agreement
negotiated by Ralphe bunche. The Arabs reneged on it before the ink was
dry.
Don't they always?
Mickey
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| User: "ריעין ברתון/Riain Barton" |
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| Title: Re: Internationalize Jerusalem |
16 Jun 2005 05:15:35 PM |
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So far, they have every single time for the last 60 years or longer.
How Sharon became stupid enough to believe he good trust these animals
in charge is beyond comprehension!
"Mickey" <mickeyb@comcast.net> wrote in message
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: "Col. Mortimer" <bobbynonek@lycos.com> wrote in message
: news:1118937199.358768.11110@o13g2000cwo.googlegroups.com...
: > This idea is not new. it was part of the 1949 armistice agreement
: > negotiated by Ralphe bunche. The Arabs reneged on it before the ink
was
: > dry.
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: Don't they always?
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: Mickey
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| User: "Susan Cohen" |
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| Title: Re: Internationalize Jerusalem |
16 Jun 2005 11:16:28 PM |
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"ריעין ברתון/Riain Barton" <riain@zion.org.il> wrote in message
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So far, they have every single time for the last 60 years or longer.
How Sharon became stupid enough to believe he good trust these animals
in charge is beyond comprehension!
It's called "external pressure."
Susan
"Mickey" <mickeyb@comcast.net> wrote in message
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: "Col. Mortimer" <bobbynonek@lycos.com> wrote in message
: news:1118937199.358768.11110@o13g2000cwo.googlegroups.com...
: > This idea is not new. it was part of the 1949 armistice agreement
: > negotiated by Ralphe bunche. The Arabs reneged on it before the ink
was
: > dry.
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: Don't they always?
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: Mickey
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| User: "cindys" |
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| Title: Re: Internationalize Jerusalem |
16 Jun 2005 05:36:50 AM |
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"loose cannon" <looseaint@aol.com> wrote in message
news:1118899654.984675.82140@f14g2000cwb.googlegroups.com...
The time has come to once again address the issue of Jerusalem.
What issue?
Despite
the current goodwill amongst Israeli's and Palestinians
Goodwill?? Have you lost your mind ?? The *Palestinian* agenda is the same
as it always has been - the murder of Jews and the destruction of the State
of Israel.
the final
status of Jerusalem is far too important to all the peoples of the
world to allow only these two entities to determine.
The only "entity" who will be determining the "status" of Jerusalem is the
sovereign country of Israel, whose capital Jerusalem is.
The UN should
immediately convene and debate whether it is in everyones best
interests for this holiest of cities to be nationalized
Right after the UN convenes and debates whether Washington DC should be
nationalized or Paris or London or Moscow.
beholden to no
one nation or people. The members of the Security Council could arrange
security concerns and deal with any nation that refuses to abide by the
UN's decision.
The UN is a not a world government, and the State of Israel is a sovereign
country and Jerusalem is her capital, and the Arabs are not getting Israel's
capital city.
Best regards,
---Cindy S.
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| User: "Ron Baker, Pluralitas!" |
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| Title: Re: Internationalize Jerusalem |
16 Jun 2005 06:15:39 AM |
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"cindys" <cstein1@rochester.rr.com> wrote in message
news:Sd8se.13599$g5.3349@twister.nyroc.rr.com...
"loose cannon" <looseaint@aol.com> wrote in message
news:1118899654.984675.82140@f14g2000cwb.googlegroups.com...
The time has come to once again address the issue of Jerusalem.
What issue?
Despite
the current goodwill amongst Israeli's and Palestinians
Goodwill?? Have you lost your mind ?? The *Palestinian* agenda is the same
as it always has been - the murder of Jews and the destruction of the
State
of Israel.
the final
status of Jerusalem is far too important to all the peoples of the
world to allow only these two entities to determine.
The only "entity" who will be determining the "status" of Jerusalem is the
sovereign country of Israel, whose capital Jerusalem is.
The UN should
immediately convene and debate whether it is in everyones best
interests for this holiest of cities to be nationalized
Right after the UN convenes and debates whether Washington DC should be
nationalized or Paris or London or Moscow.
beholden to no
one nation or people. The members of the Security Council could arrange
security concerns and deal with any nation that refuses to abide by the
UN's decision.
The UN is a not a world government, and the State of Israel is a sovereign
country and Jerusalem is her capital, and the Arabs are not getting
Israel's
capital city.
Best regards,
---Cindy S.
Bigoted thieving scum.
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| User: "Brian" |
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| Title: Re: Internationalize Jerusalem |
16 Jun 2005 08:12:04 PM |
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Thank you Cindy for this post. My thoughts exactly.
"cindys" <cstein1@rochester.rr.com> wrote in message
news:Sd8se.13599$g5.3349@twister.nyroc.rr.com...
"loose cannon" <looseaint@aol.com> wrote in message
news:1118899654.984675.82140@f14g2000cwb.googlegroups.com...
The time has come to once again address the issue of Jerusalem.
What issue?
Despite
the current goodwill amongst Israeli's and Palestinians
Goodwill?? Have you lost your mind ?? The *Palestinian* agenda is the same
as it always has been - the murder of Jews and the destruction of the
State
of Israel.
the final
status of Jerusalem is far too important to all the peoples of the
world to allow only these two entities to determine.
The only "entity" who will be determining the "status" of Jerusalem is the
sovereign country of Israel, whose capital Jerusalem is.
The UN should
immediately convene and debate whether it is in everyones best
interests for this holiest of cities to be nationalized
Right after the UN convenes and debates whether Washington DC should be
nationalized or Paris or London or Moscow.
beholden to no
one nation or people. The members of the Security Council could arrange
security concerns and deal with any nation that refuses to abide by the
UN's decision.
The UN is a not a world government, and the State of Israel is a sovereign
country and Jerusalem is her capital, and the Arabs are not getting
Israel's
capital city.
Best regards,
---Cindy S.
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| User: "JokingYou" |
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| Title: Re: Internationalize Jerusalem |
16 Jun 2005 02:35:07 PM |
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Thank you.
"cindys" <cstein1@rochester.rr.com> wrote in message
news:Sd8se.13599$g5.3349@twister.nyroc.rr.com...
"loose cannon" <looseaint@aol.com> wrote in message
news:1118899654.984675.82140@f14g2000cwb.googlegroups.com...
The time has come to once again address the issue of Jerusalem.
What issue?
Despite
the current goodwill amongst Israeli's and Palestinians
Goodwill?? Have you lost your mind ?? The *Palestinian* agenda is the same
as it always has been - the murder of Jews and the destruction of the
State
of Israel.
the final
status of Jerusalem is far too important to all the peoples of the
world to allow only these two entities to determine.
The only "entity" who will be determining the "status" of Jerusalem is the
sovereign country of Israel, whose capital Jerusalem is.
The UN should
immediately convene and debate whether it is in everyones best
interests for this holiest of cities to be nationalized
Right after the UN convenes and debates whether Washington DC should be
nationalized or Paris or London or Moscow.
beholden to no
one nation or people. The members of the Security Council could arrange
security concerns and deal with any nation that refuses to abide by the
UN's decision.
The UN is a not a world government, and the State of Israel is a sovereign
country and Jerusalem is her capital, and the Arabs are not getting
Israel's
capital city.
Best regards,
---Cindy S.
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| User: "" |
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| Title: Re: Internationalize Jerusalem |
17 Jun 2005 09:37:21 PM |
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cindys wrote:
"loose cannon" <looseaint@aol.com> wrote in message
news:1118899654.984675.82140@f14g2000cwb.googlegroups.com...
The time has come to once again address the issue of Jerusalem.
What issue?
The intent of the world when Israel was spawned was to have Jerusalem
internationalized, but the Zionists took the city for themselves. The
city should be internationalized and ruled by no nation. Jews have
militarized it to the point it resembles a fortress. During Easter,
the Jews of Israel barred Christians from performing thier annual
pilgrimage from Bethlehem from entering Jerusalem, which is a very big
issue and a good reason Israel must not control the city.
Despite
the current goodwill amongst Israeli's and Palestinians
Goodwill?? Have you lost your mind ?? The *Palestinian* agenda is the same
as it always has been - the murder of Jews and the destruction of the State
of Israel.
What a load of crap. The Palestinians do not even have an army and
only want the Zionist squatters who have invaded their homeland to
leave to the borders defined by the UN. The only threat to Israel
today is the radical and extremist beliefs of the illegal settlers who
have been the root of the problem ever since Israel began transferring
parts of its own civilian population into the areas it held under
Belligerent Occupation.
the final
status of Jerusalem is far too important to all the peoples of the
world to allow only these two entities to determine.
The only "entity" who will be determining the "status" of Jerusalem is the
sovereign country of Israel, whose capital Jerusalem is.
Not even the United States recognizes Jerusalem as the capital of
Israel or Israels attempt to annex it for Jews only. Israel's capital
is Tel-Aviv, not occupied Jerusalem.
The UN should
immediately convene and debate whether it is in everyones best
interests for this holiest of cities to be nationalized
Right after the UN convenes and debates whether Washington DC should be
nationalized or Paris or London or Moscow.
Israel annexed Jerusalem and it was never, repeat never, intended to be
part of the Israeli regime. Nobody recognizes their illegal annexation
and that is that.
beholden to no
one nation or people. The members of the Security Council could arrange
security concerns and deal with any nation that refuses to abide by the
UN's decision.
The UN is a not a world government, and the State of Israel is a sovereign
country and Jerusalem is her capital, and the Arabs are not getting Israel's
capital city.
Israel joined the UN and agreed to follow its charter. It can
certainly choose to leave the UN, but as long as it remains a member,
it must abide by the rules. The intent of the UN was not to give it
to anyone, but to make it similar to the Vatican where it is a country
all to itself, and would never fall into the hands of any radical
religous group, whether it be radical Zionist Jews or some other
religous fanatics.
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| User: "El Bleacho" |
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| Title: Re: Internationalize Jerusalem |
17 Jun 2005 09:42:43 PM |
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What a load of crap. The Palestinians do not even have an army
They certainly have an organized militia. Or what do you call these folks:
http://library.nps.navy.mil/home/tgp/hamas.htm
and
only want the Zionist squatters who have invaded their homeland to
leave to the borders defined by the UN.
The borders as per 181?
Not even the United States recognizes Jerusalem as the capital of
Israel or Israels attempt to annex it for Jews only. Israel's
capital is Tel-Aviv, not occupied Jerusalem.
Jerusalem is a holy land. Hey, let's make it even - let's put a Temple in
Mecca and Medina.
Israel annexed Jerusalem and it was never, repeat never, intended to
be part of the Israeli regime. Nobody recognizes their illegal
annexation and that is that.
Do you contend that 181 did not include the area that holds Jerusalem?!?!?!
Israel joined the UN and agreed to follow its charter. It can
certainly choose to leave the UN, but as long as it remains a member,
it must abide by the rules.
Like Muslims countries?!?!?! Iraq - killing Kurds. Libya supporting
terrorism. Iran making illegal nukes. Oh yeah, those Muslim countries
sure do follow the rules. How about the 7 ARAB countries that attackd
Israel in 1948 after UN resolution 181? How about again in 1967 and 1973.
Were those ARAB countries not part of the UN those days?
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| User: "Susan Cohen" |
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| Title: Re: Internationalize Jerusalem |
17 Jun 2005 10:47:52 PM |
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"El Bleacho" <ElBleacho@Clorox.gov> wrote in message
news:ntHse.1366$cJ3.1259@newssvr31.news.prodigy.com...
AntiZioNazi@hotmail.com wrote:
What a load of crap. The Palestinians do not even have an army
They certainly have an organized militia. Or what do you call these
folks: http://library.nps.navy.mil/home/tgp/hamas.htm
Al Jazeera is a horrifyingly professional looking organization.
Susan
and
only want the Zionist squatters who have invaded their homeland to
leave to the borders defined by the UN.
The borders as per 181?
Not even the United States recognizes Jerusalem as the capital of
Israel or Israels attempt to annex it for Jews only. Israel's
capital is Tel-Aviv, not occupied Jerusalem.
Jerusalem is a holy land. Hey, let's make it even - let's put a Temple
in Mecca and Medina.
Israel annexed Jerusalem and it was never, repeat never, intended to
be part of the Israeli regime. Nobody recognizes their illegal
annexation and that is that.
Do you contend that 181 did not include the area that holds
Jerusalem?!?!?!
Israel joined the UN and agreed to follow its charter. It can
certainly choose to leave the UN, but as long as it remains a member,
it must abide by the rules.
Like Muslims countries?!?!?! Iraq - killing Kurds. Libya supporting
terrorism. Iran making illegal nukes. Oh yeah, those Muslim countries
sure do follow the rules. How about the 7 ARAB countries that attackd
Israel in 1948 after UN resolution 181? How about again in 1967 and 1973.
Were those ARAB countries not part of the UN those days?
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| User: "El Bleacho" |
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18 Jun 2005 03:43:45 AM |
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Susan Cohen wrote:
"El Bleacho" <ElBleacho@Clorox.gov> wrote in message
news:ntHse.1366$cJ3.1259@newssvr31.news.prodigy.com...
AntiZioNazi@hotmail.com wrote:
What a load of crap. The Palestinians do not even have an army
They certainly have an organized militia. Or what do you call these
folks: http://library.nps.navy.mil/home/tgp/hamas.htm
Al Jazeera is a horrifyingly professional looking organization.
Another excellent example of militant islam.
--
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I am hung like Einstein;
and as smart as a horse!
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| User: "Malcolm" |
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18 Jun 2005 08:51:37 AM |
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"ריעין ברתון/Riain Barton" <riain@zion.org.il> wrote
<sarcasm> MAP </sarcasm>
As you see, Israel is a dagger in the heart of Islam.
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| User: "ריעין ברתון/Riain Barton" |
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18 Jun 2005 09:09:01 AM |
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No, if you look at it is just a pin-***** -- that is reality and
rational and logical.
However, to the fanatical Muslims, it is a huge sword.
"Malcolm" <regniztar@btinternet.com> wrote in message
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: "ריעין ברתון/Riain Barton" <riain@zion.org.il> wrote
: > <sarcasm> MAP </sarcasm>
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: As you see, Israel is a dagger in the heart of Islam.
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| User: "" |
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| Title: Re: Internationalize Jerusalem |
20 Jun 2005 05:53:37 PM |
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AntiZioNazi@hotmail.com wrote:
Not even the United States recognizes Jerusalem as the capital of
Israel or Israels attempt to annex it for Jews only. Israel's
capital is Tel-Aviv, not occupied Jerusalem.
House Resolution Commemorating 30th Anniversary of Reunification
Jerusalem
House Resolution 60
June 10, 1997
Whereas for 3,000 years Jerusalem has been the focal point of
Jewish religious devotion;
Whereas Jerusalem today is also considered a holy city by members
of the Christian and Muslim faiths;
Whereas there has been a continuous Jewish presence in Jerusalem
for three millennia and a Jewish majority in the city since the 1840's;
Whereas the once thriving Jewish majority of the historic Old City
of Jerusalem was driven out by force during the 1948 Arab-Israeli War;
Whereas from 1948 to 1967 Jerusalem was a divided city and Israeli
citizens of all faiths as well as Jewish citizens of all states were
denied access to holy sites in the area controlled by Jordan;
Whereas in 1967 Jerusalem was reunited by Israel during the
conflict known as the Six Day War;
Whereas since 1967 Jerusalem has been a united city, and persons of
all religious faiths have been guaranteed full access to holy sites
within the city;
Whereas this year marks the 30th year that Jerusalem has been
administered as a unified city in which the rights of all faiths have
been respected and protected;
Whereas in 1990 the United States Senate and House of
Representatives overwhelmingly adopted Senate Concurrent Resolution 106
and House Concurrent Resolution 290 declaring that Jerusalem, the
capital of Israel, `must remain an undivided city' and calling on
Israel and the Palestinians to undertake negotiations to resolve their
differences;
Whereas Prime Minister Yitzhak Rabin of Israel later cited Senate
Concurrent Resolution 106 as having `helped our neighbors reach the
negotiating table' to produce the historic Declaration of Principles on
Interim Self-Government Arrangements, signed in Washington, D.C. on
September 13, 1993; and
Whereas the Jerusalem Embassy Act of 1995 (Public Law 104-45),
which became law on November 8, 1995, states as a matter of United
States policy that Jerusalem should remain the undivided capital of
Israel: Now, therefore, be it
Resolved by the House of Representatives (the Senate concurring),
That the Congress--
(1) congratulates the residents of Jerusalem and the people of
Israel on the 30th anniversary of the reunification of that historic
city;
(2) strongly believes that Jerusalem must remain an undivided city
in which the rights of every ethnic and religious group are protected
as they have been by Israel during the past 30 years;
(3) calls upon the President and the Secretary of State to affirm
publicly as a matter of United States policy that Jerusalem must remain
the undivided capital of the State of Israel; and
(4) urges United States officials to refrain from any actions that
contradict this policy.
Passed the House of Representatives June 10, 1997.
Jerusalem Embassy Act of 1995, Public Law 104-45, 104th
Congress, effective 8th November 1995 [in part]:
The Congress makes the following findings:
(1) Each sovereign nation, under international law and custom, may
designate its own capital.
(2) Since 1950, the city of Jerusalem has been the capital of the
State of Israel.
(3) The city of Jerusalem is the seat of Israel=B4s President,
Parliament, and Supreme Court, and the site of numerous government
ministries and social and cultural institutions.
(4) The city of Jerusalem is the spiritual center of Judaism, and is
also considered a holy city by the members of other religious faiths.
(5) From 1948-1967, Jerusalem was a divided city and Israeli
citizens of all faiths as well as Jewish citizens of all states were
denied access to holy sites in the area controlled by Jordan.
(6) In 1967, the city of Jerusalem was reunited during the conflict
known as the Six Day War.
(7) Since 1967, Jerusalem has been a united city administered by
Israel, and persons of all religious faiths have been guaranteed full
access to holy sites within the city.
(8) This year marks the 28th consecutive year that Jerusalem has
been administered as a unified city in which the rights of all faiths
have been respected and protected.
(15) The United States maintains its embassy in the functioning
capital of every country except in the case of our democratic friend
and strategic ally, the State of Israel.
(16) The United States conducts official meetings and other
business in the city of Jerusalem in de facto recognition of its status
as the capital of Israel.
American Heritage Dictionary:
Israel -
A country of southwest Asia on the eastern Mediterranean Sea.
Jerusalem is the capital.
American Heritage Dictionary:
Jerusalem -
The capital of Israel, in the east-central part of the country
in the West Bank.
Columbia Encyclopedia:
Israel -
A country of southwest Asia on the eastern Mediterranean
Sea....Jerusalem is the capital
Merriam-Webster:
Israel -
a republic established 1948 capital Jerusalem
Merriam-Webster:
Jerusalem -
city central Palestine NW of Dead Sea; divided 1948-67 between
Jordan (old city) & Israel (new city) capital of Israel since
1950 & formerly capital of ancient kingdoms of Israel & Judah
CIA World Factbook:
Country name:
conventional long form: State of Israel
conventional short form: Israel
Government type: parliamentary democracy
Capital: Jerusalem
"In whatever negotiation, we will be firm in our stand that
Jerusalem is and will continue to be united and our eternal
capital. From our perspective, Jerusalem of Gold, of Copper,
and of Light - is ours."
- Yitzhak Rabin, December 1993
El Bleacho wrote:
Jerusalem is a holy land. Hey, let's make it even - let's put a Temple =
in
Mecca and Medina.
How about either one of these?
http://www.strangecosmos.com/content/item/8365.html
http://www.strangecosmos.com/content/item/9341.html
Deborah
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| User: "Susan Cohen" |
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| Title: Re: Internationalize Jerusalem |
20 Jun 2005 09:53:48 PM |
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<dsharavi@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:1119290017.087145.279850@g44g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
AntiZioNazi@hotmail.com wrote:
Not even the United States recognizes Jerusalem as the capital of
Israel or Israels attempt to annex it for Jews only.
I guess that's why Israelis let non-Jews in and Muslim Arabs never let
anyone but other Muslims anywhere near the holy sites.
IOW, another lie from NaziTed.
Israel's
capital is Tel-Aviv, not occupied Jerusalem.
And another.
**********************
House Resolution Commemorating 30th Anniversary of Reunification
Jerusalem
House Resolution 60
June 10, 1997
***********
Thanks, Deborah.
And the fact that US Presidential campaigners have been promising to move
our embassy to Jerusalem from Tel Aviv for years also rolls off NaziTed's
back like all the other truths.
Susan
Whereas for 3,000 years Jerusalem has been the focal point of
Jewish religious devotion;
Whereas Jerusalem today is also considered a holy city by members
of the Christian and Muslim faiths;
Whereas there has been a continuous Jewish presence in Jerusalem
for three millennia and a Jewish majority in the city since the 1840's;
Whereas the once thriving Jewish majority of the historic Old City
of Jerusalem was driven out by force during the 1948 Arab-Israeli War;
Whereas from 1948 to 1967 Jerusalem was a divided city and Israeli
citizens of all faiths as well as Jewish citizens of all states were
denied access to holy sites in the area controlled by Jordan;
Whereas in 1967 Jerusalem was reunited by Israel during the
conflict known as the Six Day War;
Whereas since 1967 Jerusalem has been a united city, and persons of
all religious faiths have been guaranteed full access to holy sites
within the city;
Whereas this year marks the 30th year that Jerusalem has been
administered as a unified city in which the rights of all faiths have
been respected and protected;
Whereas in 1990 the United States Senate and House of
Representatives overwhelmingly adopted Senate Concurrent Resolution 106
and House Concurrent Resolution 290 declaring that Jerusalem, the
capital of Israel, `must remain an undivided city' and calling on
Israel and the Palestinians to undertake negotiations to resolve their
differences;
Whereas Prime Minister Yitzhak Rabin of Israel later cited Senate
Concurrent Resolution 106 as having `helped our neighbors reach the
negotiating table' to produce the historic Declaration of Principles on
Interim Self-Government Arrangements, signed in Washington, D.C. on
September 13, 1993; and
Whereas the Jerusalem Embassy Act of 1995 (Public Law 104-45),
which became law on November 8, 1995, states as a matter of United
States policy that Jerusalem should remain the undivided capital of
Israel: Now, therefore, be it
Resolved by the House of Representatives (the Senate concurring),
That the Congress--
(1) congratulates the residents of Jerusalem and the people of
Israel on the 30th anniversary of the reunification of that historic
city;
(2) strongly believes that Jerusalem must remain an undivided city
in which the rights of every ethnic and religious group are protected
as they have been by Israel during the past 30 years;
(3) calls upon the President and the Secretary of State to affirm
publicly as a matter of United States policy that Jerusalem must remain
the undivided capital of the State of Israel; and
(4) urges United States officials to refrain from any actions that
contradict this policy.
Passed the House of Representatives June 10, 1997.
Jerusalem Embassy Act of 1995, Public Law 104-45, 104th
Congress, effective 8th November 1995 [in part]:
The Congress makes the following findings:
(1) Each sovereign nation, under international law and custom, may
designate its own capital.
(2) Since 1950, the city of Jerusalem has been the capital of the
State of Israel.
(3) The city of Jerusalem is the seat of Israel´s President,
Parliament, and Supreme Court, and the site of numerous government
ministries and social and cultural institutions.
(4) The city of Jerusalem is the spiritual center of Judaism, and is
also considered a holy city by the members of other religious faiths.
(5) From 1948-1967, Jerusalem was a divided city and Israeli
citizens of all faiths as well as Jewish citizens of all states were
denied access to holy sites in the area controlled by Jordan.
(6) In 1967, the city of Jerusalem was reunited during the conflict
known as the Six Day War.
(7) Since 1967, Jerusalem has been a united city administered by
Israel, and persons of all religious faiths have been guaranteed full
access to holy sites within the city.
(8) This year marks the 28th consecutive year that Jerusalem has
been administered as a unified city in which the rights of all faiths
have been respected and protected.
(15) The United States maintains its embassy in the functioning
capital of every country except in the case of our democratic friend
and strategic ally, the State of Israel.
(16) The United States conducts official meetings and other
business in the city of Jerusalem in de facto recognition of its status
as the capital of Israel.
American Heritage Dictionary:
Israel -
A country of southwest Asia on the eastern Mediterranean Sea.
Jerusalem is the capital.
American Heritage Dictionary:
Jerusalem -
The capital of Israel, in the east-central part of the country
in the West Bank.
Columbia Encyclopedia:
Israel -
A country of southwest Asia on the eastern Mediterranean
Sea....Jerusalem is the capital
Merriam-Webster:
Israel -
a republic established 1948 capital Jerusalem
Merriam-Webster:
Jerusalem -
city central Palestine NW of Dead Sea; divided 1948-67 between
Jordan (old city) & Israel (new city) capital of Israel since
1950 & formerly capital of ancient kingdoms of Israel & Judah
CIA World Factbook:
Country name:
conventional long form: State of Israel
conventional short form: Israel
Government type: parliamentary democracy
Capital: Jerusalem
"In whatever negotiation, we will be firm in our stand that
Jerusalem is and will continue to be united and our eternal
capital. From our perspective, Jerusalem of Gold, of Copper,
and of Light - is ours."
- Yitzhak Rabin, December 1993
El Bleacho wrote:
Jerusalem is a holy land. Hey, let's make it even - let's put a Temple
in
Mecca and Medina.
How about either one of these?
http://www.strangecosmos.com/content/item/8365.html
http://www.strangecosmos.com/content/item/9341.html
Deborah
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22 Jun 2005 12:21:26 AM |
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wrote:
AntiZioNazi@hotmail.com wrote:
Not even the United States recognizes Jerusalem as the capital of
Israel or Israels attempt to annex it for Jews only. Israel's
capital is Tel-Aviv, not occupied Jerusalem.
House Resolution Commemorating 30th Anniversary of Reunification
Jerusalem
House Resolution 60
June 10, 1997
<snipped due to irrelivance>
DimBulb...DimBulb...DimBulb... Why is it no surprise that dimwit who
believes that the personal opinion of a college professor constitutes a
valid legal opion would also think that a resolution passed by the US
House, but rejected by the US Senate, is even worth the paper it was
written on when it clearly is not. The house can pass all the bills it
wants, but both of the House Bills you cite were summarily dropped by
the US Senate and never passed, so they are meaningless and prove
nothing DimBulb.
Nice try DimBulb, but the truth remains that the US Policy on Jerusalem
is it is corpus separatum and thus its final status will be determined
through negotiations.
Thanks for playing, but you loose.
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22 Jun 2005 12:31:16 AM |
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BTW, the Jerusalem Embassy Relocation Act of 1995, which was passed
into law, left a loophole which ever sitting US President since has
chosen to use to not implement the law. This will most likely
continue until final status negotiations between Israel and Palestine
have completed.
So even the Zionist's pressure on the US Congress has failed once again.
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| User: "Alan Stein" |
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22 Jun 2005 02:44:27 AM |
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By passing legislation calling for the relocation of the American
embassy to Jereusalem, Congress effectively recognized reality, that
Jerusalem is the capital of Israel. This reality has been recognized
by every serious presidential candidate in recent years, all of whom
-- including Dubya -- have pledged to move our embassy to Israel's
capital.
Unfortunately, once in office, all these presidents have been swayed
by the Arabist State Department and "determined" that putting the
embassy where it belongs would cause problems, so they've delayed the
relocation every six months. This is called appeasement. The effect of
appeasement is to encourage the intransigent. In this case, among
those intransigents are lots of Arab terrorists, with the effect that
we've encouraged terrorism and cost innocent people lives.
Israel is, as everyone knows, the capital of Israel and that's not
going to change. For Israel to move its capital would be even more
absurd than for us to move our capital, since Jerusalem is far more
important to Israel than Washington DC is to us.
For an American president to recognize reality and adhere to the law
would be a courageous act that would also bring peace closer and save
lives.
--
Alan Stein
Al Qaeda and the PLO -- Two of a kind.
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| User: "Mickey" |
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22 Jun 2005 02:58:03 AM |
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"Alan Stein" <a.stein@snet.net> wrote in message
news:m1mzpj85y7.fsf@iQuark.local...
By passing legislation calling for the relocation of the American
embassy to Jereusalem, Congress effectively recognized reality, that
Jerusalem is the capital of Israel. This reality has been recognized
by every serious presidential candidate in recent years, all of whom
-- including Dubya -- have pledged to move our embassy to Israel's
capital.
Unfortunately, once in office, all these presidents have been swayed
by the Arabist State Department and "determined" that putting the
embassy where it belongs would cause problems, so they've delayed the
relocation every six months. This is called appeasement. The effect of
appeasement is to encourage the intransigent. In this case, among
those intransigents are lots of Arab terrorists, with the effect that
we've encouraged terrorism and cost innocent people lives.
Israel is, as everyone knows, the capital of Israel and that's not
going to change. For Israel to move its capital would be even more
absurd than for us to move our capital, since Jerusalem is far more
important to Israel than Washington DC is to us.
For an American president to recognize reality and adhere to the law
would be a courageous act that would also bring peace closer and save
lives.
Exactly. The simple solution for Israel is to make it clear that until such
time as the embassy IS moved, the US ambassador there is a light fixture,
and will have no meetings with anyone in the Israeli government. That or we
can move the Israeli Embassy to the US to Beijing.
Mickey
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| User: "The +Revd" |
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22 Jun 2005 04:38:08 AM |
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On Tue, 21 Jun 2005 22:58:03 -0400, "Mickey" <mickeyb@comcast.net>
wrote:
"Alan Stein" <a.stein@snet.net> wrote in message
news:m1mzpj85y7.fsf@iQuark.local...
By passing legislation calling for the relocation of the American
embassy to Jereusalem, Congress effectively recognized reality, that
Jerusalem is the capital of Israel. This reality has been recognized
by every serious presidential candidate in recent years, all of whom
-- including Dubya -- have pledged to move our embassy to Israel's
capital.
Unfortunately, once in office, all these presidents have been swayed
by the Arabist State Department and "determined" that putting the
embassy where it belongs would cause problems, so they've delayed the
relocation every six months. This is called appeasement. The effect of
appeasement is to encourage the intransigent. In this case, among
those intransigents are lots of Arab terrorists, with the effect that
we've encouraged terrorism and cost innocent people lives.
Israel is, as everyone knows, the capital of Israel and that's not
going to change. For Israel to move its capital would be even more
absurd than for us to move our capital, since Jerusalem is far more
important to Israel than Washington DC is to us.
For an American president to recognize reality and adhere to the law
would be a courageous act that would also bring peace closer and save
lives.
Exactly. The simple solution for Israel is to make it clear that until such
time as the embassy IS moved, the US ambassador there is a light fixture,
and will have no meetings with anyone in the Israeli government. That or we
can move the Israeli Embassy to the US to Beijing.
LOL. 'Israel' depends on the US for its very existence. Meetings
with the US ambassador are in its interests.
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| User: "" |
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17 Jun 2005 10:03:29 PM |
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El Bleacho wrote:
AntiZioNazi@hotmail.com wrote:
What a load of crap. The Palestinians do not even have an army
They certainly have an organized militia. Or what do you call these folks:
http://library.nps.navy.mil/home/tgp/hamas.htm
and
only want the Zionist squatters who have invaded their homeland to
leave to the borders defined by the UN.
The borders as per 181?
Yep, the borders which Israel immediately violated by occupying areas
outside of the partition as outlined in Plan Dalet. Plan Dalet started
the process where bands of armed ZioNazi's pushed beyond the borders
outlined and began to capture any towns and villages where Jews lived.
The Arabs never occupied any towns or villages beyond the borders of
their partiition but did react to Israeli violations.
Not even the United States recognizes Jerusalem as the capital of
Israel or Israels attempt to annex it for Jews only. Israel's
capital is Tel-Aviv, not occupied Jerusalem.
Jerusalem is a holy land. Hey, let's make it even - let's put a Temple in
Mecca and Medina.
Even for what?
Israel annexed Jerusalem and it was never, repeat never, intended to
be part of the Israeli regime. Nobody recognizes their illegal
annexation and that is that.
Do you contend that 181 did not include the area that holds Jerusalem?!?!?!
It called for it to be an internationalized zone as shown on the map
below.
http://www.mideastweb.org/unpartition.htm
Israel joined the UN and agreed to follow its charter. It can
certainly choose to leave the UN, but as long as it remains a member,
it must abide by the rules.
Like Muslims countries?!?!?! Iraq - killing Kurds. Libya supporting
terrorism. Iran making illegal nukes. Oh yeah, those Muslim countries
sure do follow the rules. How about the 7 ARAB countries that attackd
Israel in 1948 after UN resolution 181? How about again in 1967 and 1973.
Were those ARAB countries not part of the UN those days?
Iraq was dealt with, Libya was dealt with and Iran is not making nukes,
signed the NPT and is allowing inspectiosn (something the Israeli
regime refuses to do by the way). The only reason the Arab countries
attacked the Israeli regime was because the Israeli regime was trying
to take land partitioned to Arabs by UNGAR 181. Does the term "Grab
the Hills" bring anything to mind?
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| User: "El Bleacho" |
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17 Jun 2005 10:11:21 PM |
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wrote:
El Bleacho wrote:
The borders as per 181?
Yep, the borders which Israel immediately violated by occupying areas
outside of the partition as outlined in Plan Dalet.
You have a strange memory of history. I remember it as 181 being approved,
and then a week or two later seven Arab countries attacking without warning.
Jerusalem is a holy land. Hey, let's make it even - let's put a
Temple in Mecca and Medina.
Even for what?
Even for you wanting Jerusalem to be international and not owned by the
Jewish State. Let the Muslim murderers give up their Mecca and Modena; and
let the Jews put a Temple smack dab in the middle of those two cities. Fair
is fair.
It called for it to be an internationalized zone as shown on the map
below.
http://www.mideastweb.org/unpartition.htm
I think the Arab attack on Israel changed the borders a bit.
Iraq was dealt with,
2004/2005
Libya was dealt with
Scam, created by the Arab Coalition. Libya was not dealt with.
and Iran is not making nukes
Come on now. I was born at night, but I wasn't born last night. She has
been producing illegal plutonium for years.
Does the
term "Grab the Hills" bring anything to mind?
The term "a slew of arab countries voted against the creation of Israel and
then attacked a few weeks later" comes more rapidly to mind.
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| User: "Susan Cohen" |
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17 Jun 2005 10:48:21 PM |
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"El Bleacho" <ElBleacho@Clorox.gov> wrote in message
news:dUHse.1377$EP3.515@newssvr31.news.prodigy.com...
AntiZioNazi@hotmail.com wrote:
El Bleacho wrote:
The borders as per 181?
Yep, the borders which Israel immediately violated by occupying areas
outside of the partition as outlined in Plan Dalet.
You have a strange memory of history. I remember it as 181 being approved,
and then a week or two later seven Arab countries attacking without
warning.
He doesn't have a strange memory - he lies.
Susan
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| User: "El Bleacho" |
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18 Jun 2005 03:44:11 AM |
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Susan Cohen wrote:
"El Bleacho" <ElBleacho@Clorox.gov> wrote in message
AntiZioNazi@hotmail.com wrote:
El Bleacho wrote:
The borders as per 181?
Yep, the borders which Israel immediately violated by occupying
areas outside of the partition as outlined in Plan Dalet.
You have a strange memory of history. I remember it as 181 being
approved, and then a week or two later seven Arab countries
attacking without warning.
He doesn't have a strange memory - he lies.
Excellent point!
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| User: "" |
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17 Jun 2005 10:26:14 PM |
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El Bleacho wrote:
AntiZioNazi@hotmail.com wrote:
El Bleacho wrote:
The borders as per 181?
Yep, the borders which Israel immediately violated by occupying areas
outside of the partition as outlined in Plan Dalet.
You have a strange memory of history. I remember it as 181 being approved,
and then a week or two later seven Arab countries attacking without warning.
I seem to remember that the Arabs never once entered the areas
partitioned to Jews, and that the fighting between Jews and Arab
occured between Jews deep inside the Arab side of the partition lines.
Are you saying that the Arabs crossed the border into lands partitioned
to jews?
Jerusalem is a holy land. Hey, let's make it even - let's put a
Temple in Mecca and Medina.
Even for what?
Even for you wanting Jerusalem to be international and not owned by the
Jewish State. Let the Muslim murderers give up their Mecca and Modena; and
let the Jews put a Temple smack dab in the middle of those two cities. Fair
is fair.
If you look at the map, It was not given to the Jewish state, so it
does not belong to Israel.
It called for it to be an internationalized zone as shown on the map
below.
http://www.mideastweb.org/unpartition.htm
I think the Arab attack on Israel changed the borders a bit.
Israel attacked them by crossing over the borders outlined by the UN.
Iraq was dealt with,
2004/2005
Libya was dealt with
Scam, created by the Arab Coalition. Libya was not dealt with.
and Iran is not making nukes
Come on now. I was born at night, but I wasn't born last night. She has
been producing illegal plutonium for years.
So has the Israeli regime. In fact, the Israeli regime is suspected of
illegally building over nuclear weapons. So what is your point.
Does the
term "Grab the Hills" bring anything to mind?
The term "a slew of arab countries voted against the creation of Israel and
then attacked a few weeks later" comes more rapidly to mind.
They were not required to accept the UNGAR 181 recomendations. If you
expected them to just walk to the cattle cars like sheep and accept
thier fate without a fight, you were reading Jewish history, not Arab
history.
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| User: "Mickey" |
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17 Jun 2005 10:43:30 PM |
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<AntiZioNazi@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:1119047174.128350.187720@o13g2000cwo.googlegroups.com...
El Bleacho wrote:
AntiZioNazi@hotmail.com wrote:
El Bleacho wrote:
The borders as per 181?
Yep, the borders which Israel immediately violated by occupying areas
outside of the partition as outlined in Plan Dalet.
You have a strange memory of history. I remember it as 181 being
approved,
and then a week or two later seven Arab countries attacking without
warning.
I seem to remember that the Arabs never once entered the areas
partitioned to Jews, and that the fighting between Jews and Arab
occured between Jews deep inside the Arab side of the partition lines.
Are you saying that the Arabs crossed the border into lands partitioned
to jews?
Jerusalem is a holy land. Hey, let's make it even - let's put a
Temple in Mecca and Medina.
Even for what?
Even for you wanting Jerusalem to be international and not owned by the
Jewish State. Let the Muslim murderers give up their Mecca and Modena;
and
let the Jews put a Temple smack dab in the middle of those two cities.
Fair
is fair.
If you look at the map, It was not given to the Jewish state, so it
does not belong to Israel.
It called for it to be an internationalized zone as shown on the map
below.
http://www.mideastweb.org/unpartition.htm
I think the Arab attack on Israel changed the borders a bit.
Israel attacked them by crossing over the borders outlined by the UN.
Iraq was dealt with,
2004/2005
Libya was dealt with
Scam, created by the Arab Coalition. Libya was not dealt with.
and Iran is not making nukes
Come on now. I was born at night, but I wasn't born last night. She
has
been producing illegal plutonium for years.
So has the Israeli regime. In fact, the Israeli regime is suspected of
illegally building over nuclear weapons. So what is your point.
Does the
term "Grab the Hills" bring anything to mind?
The term "a slew of arab countries voted against the creation of Israel
and
then attacked a few weeks later" comes more rapidly to mind.
They were not required to accept the UNGAR 181 recomendations.
No, of course not, only ISRAEL is expected to accept things.... Sheesh
you're SUCH a pathetic liar, and so transparent at that.
Mickey
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| User: "" |
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17 Jun 2005 10:51:21 PM |
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<AntiZioNazi@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:1119047174.128350.187720@o13g2000cwo.googlegroups.com...
They were not required to accept the UNGAR 181 recomendations.
Mickey wrote:
No, of course not, only ISRAEL is expected to accept things.... Sheesh
you're SUCH a pathetic liar, and so transparent at that.
Mickey
Nazi Ted has always held decidedly conflicting views on UNGAR 181.
"UNGAR 181 partitioned Palestine and defined which portion
would be Arab land and which was Palsetinian."
- From: AntiZioNazi @hotmail.com(Theodore Herzl)
Date: 24 Mar 2004 19:31:25 -0800
"UNGAR 181 supercedes all previous partition plans,
thus making Balfour and all those prior to UNGAR
181 irrelevant"
- From: AntiZioNazi @hotmail.com (Theodore Herzl)
Date: 12 Apr 2005 18:08:41 -0700
"The UNGAR 181 resolution was passed by the UN
General Assembly and is in full force today."
- AntiZioNazi @hotmail.com (Theodore Herzl)
Date: 8 Mar 2004 13:57:11 -0800
"UNGAR 181 is still in force"
- AntiZioNazi @hotmail.com (Theodore Herzl)
Date: 8 Mar 2004 13:31:09 -0800
"Perhaps you can provide some link to the UN's website were
documents stating that UNGAR 181 is null and void...I looked
and all I see is other resolutions post 1948 that all reaffirm
UNGAR 181."
- AntiZioNazi @hotmail.com (Theodore Herzl)
Date: 12 Apr 2005 18:08:41 -0700
"The Jewish state of Israel designated by the United Nations
to be a bi-national state (UN Partition Plan, Resolution 181
of 1947)"
- AntiZioNazi @hotmail.com (Theodore Herzl)
Date: 17 Jul 2003 17:35:15 -0700
"Israel is in rogue state in violation of the same body that
passed the UNGAR 181 resolution that created Israel. "
- AntiZioNazi @hotmail.com (Theodore Herzl)
Date: 24 Mar 2004 19:31:25 -0800
"UNGAR 181 was not a binding resolution and did not give
Jews the right to create a state"
- From: AntiZioNazi @hotmail.com(TheodoreHerzl)
Date: Sep 7 2004, 6:20 pm
"UNGAR 181 did NOT create the Israeli regime"
- From: AntiZioNazi @hotmail.com(Theodore Herzl)
Date: 21 Jul 2004 14:54:01 -0700
"There was never a UN resolution that created the Israeli
regime or an independent Arab state."
- From: AntiZioNazi @hotmail.com(TheodoreHerzl)
Date: 8 Sep 2004 10:02:35 -0700
"Neither UNGAR 181 nor the British Mandate had any
legal standing what so ever."
- AntiZioNazi @hotmail.com (Theodore Herzl)
Date: 7 Sep 2004 12:16:29 -0700
"The League of Nations is defunct and their proposal
has no legal standing what so ever, nor does Balfour
or UNGAR 181."
- From: AntiZioNazi @hotmail.com(TheodoreHerzl)
Date: 16 Dec 2004 17:10:31 -0800
"The creation of Israel by UNGAR 181 was invalid."
- AntiZioNazi @hotmail.com (Theodore Herzl)
Date: 24 Mar 2004 19:31:25 -0800
"There was no partition plan, you are referring to a UN
General Assembly resolution, which mean nothing."
- From: AntiZioNazi @hotmail.com(Theodore Herzl)
Date: 21 Jan 2005 11:38:21 -0800
"UNGAR 181 states that the land was partitioned to Arabs
many times."
- AntiZioNazi @hotmail.com (Theodore Herzl)
Date: 18 Nov 2003 11:59:23 -0800
Deborah
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17 Jun 2005 10:42:41 PM |
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<AntiZioNazi@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:1119047174.128350.187720@o13g2000cwo.googlegroups.com...
El Bleacho wrote:
AntiZioNazi@hotmail.com wrote:
El Bleacho wrote:
The borders as per 181?
Yep, the borders which Israel immediately violated by occupying areas
outside of the partition as outlined in Plan Dalet.
You have a strange memory of history. I remember it as 181 being
approved,
and then a week or two later seven Arab countries attacking without
warning.
I seem to remember that the Arabs never once entered the areas
partitioned to Jews, and that the fighting between Jews and Arab
occured between Jews deep inside the Arab side of the partition lines.
Are you saying that the Arabs crossed the border into lands partitioned
to jews?
Jerusalem is a holy land. Hey, let's make it even - let's put a
Temple in Mecca and Medina.
Even for what?
Even for you wanting Jerusalem to be international and not owned by the
Jewish State. Let the Muslim murderers give up their Mecca and Modena;
and
let the Jews put a Temple smack dab in the middle of those two cities.
Fair
is fair.
If you look at the map, It was not given to the Jewish state, so it
does not belong to Israel.
It called for it to be an internationalized zone as shown on the map
below.
http://www.mideastweb.org/unpartition.htm
I think the Arab attack on Israel changed the borders a bit.
Israel attacked them by crossing over the borders outlined by the UN.
Iraq was dealt with,
2004/2005
Libya was dealt with
Scam, created by the Arab Coalition. Libya was not dealt with.
and Iran is not making nukes
Come on now. I was born at night, but I wasn't born last night. She
has
been producing illegal plutonium for years.
So has the Israeli regime. In fact, the Israeli regime is suspected of
illegally building over nuclear weapons. So what is your point.
Not a regime, a government. And what exactly is the definition of illegally
building nuclear weapons?
Mickey
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| User: "Susan Cohen" |
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17 Jun 2005 10:52:36 PM |
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"Mickey" <mickeyb@comcast.net> wrote in message
news:TpKdnTi9tO7VzC7fRVn-sQ@comcast.com...
<AntiZioNazi@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:1119047174.128350.187720@o13g2000cwo.googlegroups.com...
El Bleacho wrote:
ANazi@hotmail.com wrote:
Scam, created by the Arab Coalition. Libya was not dealt with.
and Iran is not making nukes
Come on now. I was born at night, but I wasn't born last night. She
has
been producing illegal plutonium for years.
So has the Israeli regime.
Translation: you caught him, & he can't refute what you say, so he decides
to change the subject, throwing in a lie (that you did catch, below).
In fact, the Israeli regime is suspected of
illegally building over nuclear weapons. So what is your point.
Not a regime, a government. And what exactly is the definition of
illegally
building nuclear weapons?
If Jews do it to protect themselves.
(Or was this a rhetorical question on your part?)
Susan
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