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Internet Porn Is Destroying Male-Female Relationships |
http://blogs.smh.com.au/allmenareliars/archives/2006/09/how_internet_po.html
How internet porn is changing your sex life
Twenty years ago there were two ways of acquiring pornography. The
first was you stole it, either from your parents, older brother or the
newsagent. Stealing porn from your father was the perfect crime,
because if your dad had a dozen issues of Hustler Shaved tucked away in
a cupboard, he wasn't likely to come screaming into the kitchen and
demand to know if you'd filched issue 8? Stealing from older brothers
was far more dangerous because they knew exactly who was to blame and
they'd just straight beat your arse. The newsagent option was forced on
us as teens because no kid under the age of 18 could walk into a XXX
book store, so we were reduced to sticking mags such as Penthouse or
Playboy under our school jumpers and hoping like hell we wouldn't get
pinged* ...
The second option for acquiring porn was you borrowed it.
This was a time-honoured tradition and because, as teens, we had no
real access to hardcore pornography, when a friend did stumble across a
publication that showed actual penetration it was protected like flame
in ancient times; it was passed from one boy to the next and, if the
owner of the mag seriously thought he was ever getting it back, they
were soon pacified by a new item entering the grand food chain of porn.
If you've been following closely, you'll realise that these two methods
for the acquisition of porn required some human interaction. Even the
most fervent masturbator had to either put himself in some kind of
danger by stealing the stuff or, in the path of humiliation by
constantly badgering his friends for fresh imagery.
Then came the internet and now all bets are off.
On the net, even your most free-wheeling fantasies can be tracked down
and flogged over if you have the time and bandwidth. You don't have to
sneak around dirty book stores or beg to friends ... you don't even
need friends. In fact, you don't even need to be looking.
In a speech to the Sexual Integrity Forum at Federal Parliament last
year, Dr Michael Flood, a postdoctoral fellow with the Australian
Research Centre in Sex, Health and Society at Melbourne's La Trobe
University revealed some pretty startling figures.
A survey commissioned by the the Australia Institute, a public interest
think tank, and conducted by Newspoll, found 84 per cent of boys and 60
per cent of girls aged between 16 and 17 had been accidentally exposed
to sex sites on the internet.
Nearly two in five of the 16- to 17-year-old boys (38 per cent), but
only 2 per cent of girls, had deliberately searched the internet for
sex sites.
"Porn is many boys' first form of sex education," says Dr Flood. "And
the problem with this is that most heterosexual porn offers narrow
stereotypes of women as big-breasted nymphomaniacs and men as well-hung
studs always ready for sex. Porn rarely connects sex to intimacy and
loving affection."
Unfortunately, because of ethical constraints, the Australia Institute
was not able to question children younger than 16 in their survey, so
their exposure to pornography can only be guessed at.
What it's fair to say is that there is a significant number of young
Australian males whose first glimpse of the sexualised female is her
engaging in graphic, maybe even violent, hard-core sex.
The director Francis Ford Coppola once quipped that if the James Bond
classic Octopussy was made today, it would be named Octo-anal such is
the pervasive influence of pornography and its pushing of conventions,
fetishes and orifices.
In a Sydney Morning Herald article published last year, Professor James
Ogloff, a clinical and forensic psychologist at Monash University, said
he believed between 10 and 20 per cent of internet porn users accessed
"not just pictures of women or men having sex" but "images that we
would have been surprised at just a few years ago".
"If you'd asked me two years ago how many people are interested in
serious S and M, or who are bisexual or interested in children, we all
would have grossly underestimated the numbers. It's almost like we're
seeing a virtual sexual revolution," said Ogloff.
Dr Flood says: "Pornography is attractive to heterosexual men in part
because in the porn universe, women are always ready for sex and eager
to please, there is no criticism of men's performance, and there's no
need to do that hard work of building trust and intimacy."
You have to wonder what that means when a kid's first taste of
sexuality is anal or group sex, re-enacted gang rapes or the sort of
degradation all too common on some websites that sees male performers
spit in the mouths of females.
In his essay "Big Red Son", an American writer, David Foster Wallace,
says: "In-your-face vileness is part of the schizoid direction porn's
been moving in all decade. For just as adult entertainment has become
more 'mainstream' ... it has also become more extreme and not just on
the Bizarro margins.
"In nearly all hetero porn now, there is an emphasis on anal sex,
painful penetrations, degrading tableaux, and the (at least)
psychological abuse of women.
"In certain respects this extremism may simply be porn's tracing [of]
Hollywood's own entertainment arc: it's hardly news that TV and legit
film have also gotten more violent and explicit and raw."
It's a sobering thought that many young men may now consider these sort
of extreme sexual acts as "normal" and young women, exposed to the
demands of these men, consider compliance with them reasonable.
With the genre-bending that goes on in pornography nowadays it is also
possible that some viewers' expectations of reality will be similarly
affected. In his essay, Wallace also tackles the phenomena of 'gonzo'
porn, which "has become one of this decade's most popular and
profitable genres of adult video".
"It's more or less a cross between an MTV documentary and hell panel
from Bocsh's Garden of Earthly Delights," that involves pornographers
appearing to pick up innocents (usually paid actors) off the street and
within minutes having them engaged in sex acts.
"Whereas traditional 'dramatic' porn videos simulate the 100 per cent
sexualisation of real life (by creating a kind of alternative real
world in which every one from secretaries to firemen to dental
hygienists is always just one prompt away from frantic intercourse),
'gonzo' videos push the envelope by offering the apparent sexualisation
of actual life ... the porn equivalent of the mainstream trend in
docu-dramas like ..." RPA, Border Security and The Biggest Loser.
Pornography and masturbation are subjects that tend to be sniggered
about and are only intermittently discussed in the media. However, with
internet pornography imprinting itself on the sexual expectations of so
many men, it may be time to drag them from behind the school toilet
block to join other, mainstream male sex and health issues.
This is a huge topic and one I intend to discuss further in the future,
so I'd love to hear your thoughts on the subject.
Let me finish by saying that 40 years ago, the advent of the birth
control pill changed sexual dynamics across the world. It's my sincere
belief that what's happening today with internet porn will shape male
female relationships just as profoundly.
*Pinged: caught.
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| User: "Roedy Green" |
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12 Sep 2006 09:57:09 PM |
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On 12 Sep 2006 16:19:02 -0700, "Sound of Trumpet"
<soundoftrumpet@bluebottle.com> wrote, quoted or indirectly quoted
someone who said :
Nearly two in five of the 16- to 17-year-old boys (38 per cent), but
only 2 per cent of girls, had deliberately searched the internet for
sex sites.
And the rest were lying. Who is going to admit that to some weirdo is
a white coat?
--
Canadian Mind Products, Roedy Green, http://mindprod.com
See links to the Lebanon photos that Google censored at
http://mindprod.com/politics/israel.html
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| User: "Society" |
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13 Sep 2006 02:52:58 AM |
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"Roedy Green" <see_website@mindprod.com.invalid> wrote in message
news:orseg2dtukhgtrrmnthjol4m5ftu7v7b6g@4ax.com...
"Sound of Trumpet" wrote, quoted or indirectly quoted
someone who said :
Nearly two in five of the 16- to 17-year-old boys
(38 per cent), but only 2 per cent of girls,
had deliberately searched the internet for sex sites.
And the rest were lying. Who is going to admit that
to some weirdo is a white coat?
Good point.
Also notice that this trash posing as research sloppily
accepts a sexist definition of the deprecating terms
"porn" and "sex sites". Only the sexual fantasizing
preferred by boys is labeled "porn", the sexual
fantasizing preferred by females is rarely even
acknowledged by the Establishment to be porn at all!
But it is. What is the essential difference between
the photo spreads in _Maxim_ magazine and
a _Victoria's Secret_ catalog other than the latter
also advertises skin on television and clothes the
sexual fantasies it sells in the guise of a women's
undergarment?
--
The number of women who read romance novels -- 25 million --
is almost fifty times greater than the number of _Ms._ readers.
_Romance novel readers are the real women's movement._
The 98 percent female readership represents the real gender gap.
Warren Farrell, _Why Men Are the Way They Are_
McGraw-Hill (1986) p 58 (emphasis in original)
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12 Sep 2006 10:07:52 PM |
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Roedy Green wrote:
On 12 Sep 2006 16:19:02 -0700, "Sound of Trumpet"
<soundoftrumpet@bluebottle.com> wrote, quoted or indirectly quoted
someone who said :
Nearly two in five of the 16- to 17-year-old boys (38 per cent), but
only 2 per cent of girls, had deliberately searched the internet for
sex sites.
And the rest were lying. Who is going to admit that to some weirdo is
a white coat?
--
Canadian Mind Products, Roedy Green, http://mindprod.com
See links to the Lebanon photos that Google censored at
http://mindprod.com/politics/israel.html
No one or Nothing has Ruined the American Family than the Policies of
Bush, Ruining the Middle Class so they have to work 3 jobs to survive,
if they are working they are not at home with their families and the
families will and do suffer.
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| User: "Johnny Bravo" |
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13 Sep 2006 03:42:45 AM |
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On 12 Sep 2006 16:19:02 -0700, "Sound of Trumpet"
<soundoftrumpet@bluebottle.com> wrote:
A survey commissioned by the the Australia Institute, a public interest
think tank, and conducted by Newspoll, found 84 per cent of boys and 60
per cent of girls aged between 16 and 17 had been accidentally exposed
to sex sites on the internet.
"accidentally"
ROTFLMAO.
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| User: "PK Smith" |
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14 Sep 2006 04:57:29 AM |
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Sound of Trumpet wrote:
How internet porn is changing your sex life
"Porn is many boys' first form of sex education," says Dr Flood. "And
the problem with this is that most heterosexual porn offers narrow
stereotypes of women as big-breasted nymphomaniacs and men as well-hung
studs always ready for sex. Porn rarely connects sex to intimacy and
loving affection."
Who the ***** wants intimacy? Only females want intimacy!
If women would just open wide, and take the goo, there is no reason for
men to even talk to them.
If one is discussing porn, then one must discuss female porn -- aka
romance novels. These brain-washing trash novels should be banned
before porn. That these ***** novels exist at all is testimony to how
much power women have.
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14 Sep 2006 06:11:59 AM |
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"PK Smith" <PSmith8977@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:1158227849.822119.225620@p79g2000cwp.googlegroups.com...
Sound of Trumpet wrote:
How internet porn is changing your sex life
"Porn is many boys' first form of sex education," says Dr Flood. "And
the problem with this is that most heterosexual porn offers narrow
stereotypes of women as big-breasted nymphomaniacs and men as well-hung
studs always ready for sex. Porn rarely connects sex to intimacy and
loving affection."
Who the ***** wants intimacy? Only females want intimacy!
If women would just open wide, and take the goo, there is no reason for
men to even talk to them.
If one is discussing porn, then one must discuss female porn -- aka
romance novels. These brain-washing trash novels should be banned
before porn. That these ***** novels exist at all is testimony to how
much power women have.
Not getting much, are you?
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30 Sep 2006 06:49:27 AM |
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14 Sep 2006 10:53:28 AM |
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PK Smith wrote:
Sound of Trumpet wrote:
How internet porn is changing your sex life
"Porn is many boys' first form of sex education," says Dr Flood. "And
the problem with this is that most heterosexual porn offers narrow
stereotypes of women as big-breasted nymphomaniacs and men as well-hung
studs always ready for sex. Porn rarely connects sex to intimacy and
loving affection."
Who the ***** wants intimacy? Only females want intimacy!
If women would just open wide, and take the goo, there is no reason for
men to even talk to them.
If one is discussing porn, then one must discuss female porn -- aka
romance novels. These brain-washing trash novels should be banned
before porn. That these ***** novels exist at all is testimony to how
much power women have.
If what you say is so, men would be much happier fucking
other men, since they would understand one another better
and have the same values and expectations. Just leave the
women out of it, and everyone will be happier.
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15 Sep 2006 08:59:12 AM |
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<anarcissie@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:1158249208.485389.105230@m73g2000cwd.googlegroups.com...
PK Smith wrote:
Sound of Trumpet wrote:
How internet porn is changing your sex life
"Porn is many boys' first form of sex education," says Dr Flood. "And
the problem with this is that most heterosexual porn offers narrow
stereotypes of women as big-breasted nymphomaniacs and men as well-hung
studs always ready for sex. Porn rarely connects sex to intimacy and
loving affection."
Who the ***** wants intimacy? Only females want intimacy!
If women would just open wide, and take the goo, there is no reason for
men to even talk to them.
If one is discussing porn, then one must discuss female porn -- aka
romance novels. These brain-washing trash novels should be banned
before porn. That these ***** novels exist at all is testimony to how
much power women have.
If what you say is so, men would be much happier fucking
other men, since they would understand one another better
and have the same values and expectations. Just leave the
women out of it, and everyone will be happier.
LOL - Indeed ;)
--
Robyn
Resident Witchypoo
#1557
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16 Sep 2006 06:23:58 PM |
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Robibnikoff wrote:
If what you say is so, men would be much happier fucking
other men, since they would understand one another better
and have the same values and expectations. Just leave the
women out of it, and everyone will be happier.
LOL - Indeed ;)
I'm not even sure I understand myself.
Rich Goranson
Amherst, NY, USA
aa#MCMXCIX
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| User: "Michael Price" |
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16 Sep 2006 07:56:45 PM |
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wrote:
PK Smith wrote:
Sound of Trumpet wrote:
How internet porn is changing your sex life
"Porn is many boys' first form of sex education," says Dr Flood. "And
the problem with this is that most heterosexual porn offers narrow
stereotypes of women as big-breasted nymphomaniacs and men as well-hung
studs always ready for sex. Porn rarely connects sex to intimacy and
loving affection."
Who the ***** wants intimacy? Only females want intimacy!
If women would just open wide, and take the goo, there is no reason for
men to even talk to them.
If one is discussing porn, then one must discuss female porn -- aka
romance novels. These brain-washing trash novels should be banned
before porn. That these ***** novels exist at all is testimony to how
much power women have.
If what you say is so, men would be much happier fucking
other men, since they would understand one another better
and have the same values and expectations. Just leave the
women out of it, and everyone will be happier.
Remember that scene in Seinfeld where Elaine explains why
the gay man she "converted" went back?
Elaine: As a woman I only have access to "the equipment" 3 or 4
hours a week, and that's in a good week. How can I compete with
guys who own the equipment and have access to it 24 hours a day?
Jerry: Well you're always welcome on our team.
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| User: "Masculist" |
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15 Sep 2006 02:25:44 PM |
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Sound of Trumpet wrote:
http://blogs.smh.com.au/allmenareliars/archives/2006/09/how_internet_po.html
How internet porn is changing your sex life
Twenty years ago there were two ways of acquiring pornography. The
first was you stole it, either from your parents, older brother or the
newsagent. Stealing porn from your father was the perfect crime,
because if your dad had a dozen issues of Hustler Shaved tucked away in
a cupboard, he wasn't likely to come screaming into the kitchen and
demand to know if you'd filched issue 8? Stealing from older brothers
was far more dangerous because they knew exactly who was to blame and
they'd just straight beat your arse. The newsagent option was forced on
us as teens because no kid under the age of 18 could walk into a XXX
book store, so we were reduced to sticking mags such as Penthouse or
Playboy under our school jumpers and hoping like hell we wouldn't get
pinged* ...
The second option for acquiring porn was you borrowed it.
This was a time-honoured tradition and because, as teens, we had no
real access to hardcore pornography, when a friend did stumble across a
publication that showed actual penetration it was protected like flame
in ancient times; it was passed from one boy to the next and, if the
owner of the mag seriously thought he was ever getting it back, they
were soon pacified by a new item entering the grand food chain of porn.
If you've been following closely, you'll realise that these two methods
for the acquisition of porn required some human interaction. Even the
most fervent masturbator had to either put himself in some kind of
danger by stealing the stuff or, in the path of humiliation by
constantly badgering his friends for fresh imagery.
Then came the internet and now all bets are off.
On the net, even your most free-wheeling fantasies can be tracked down
and flogged over if you have the time and bandwidth. You don't have to
sneak around dirty book stores or beg to friends ... you don't even
need friends. In fact, you don't even need to be looking.
In a speech to the Sexual Integrity Forum at Federal Parliament last
year, Dr Michael Flood, a postdoctoral fellow with the Australian
Research Centre in Sex, Health and Society at Melbourne's La Trobe
University revealed some pretty startling figures.
A survey commissioned by the the Australia Institute, a public interest
think tank, and conducted by Newspoll, found 84 per cent of boys and 60
per cent of girls aged between 16 and 17 had been accidentally exposed
to sex sites on the internet.
Nearly two in five of the 16- to 17-year-old boys (38 per cent), but
only 2 per cent of girls, had deliberately searched the internet for
sex sites.
"Porn is many boys' first form of sex education," says Dr Flood. "And
the problem with this is that most heterosexual porn offers narrow
stereotypes of women as big-breasted nymphomaniacs and men as well-hung
studs always ready for sex. Porn rarely connects sex to intimacy and
loving affection."
Unfortunately, because of ethical constraints, the Australia Institute
was not able to question children younger than 16 in their survey, so
their exposure to pornography can only be guessed at.
What it's fair to say is that there is a significant number of young
Australian males whose first glimpse of the sexualised female is her
engaging in graphic, maybe even violent, hard-core sex.
The director Francis Ford Coppola once quipped that if the James Bond
classic Octopussy was made today, it would be named Octo-anal such is
the pervasive influence of pornography and its pushing of conventions,
fetishes and orifices.
In a Sydney Morning Herald article published last year, Professor James
Ogloff, a clinical and forensic psychologist at Monash University, said
he believed between 10 and 20 per cent of internet porn users accessed
"not just pictures of women or men having sex" but "images that we
would have been surprised at just a few years ago".
"If you'd asked me two years ago how many people are interested in
serious S and M, or who are bisexual or interested in children, we all
would have grossly underestimated the numbers. It's almost like we're
seeing a virtual sexual revolution," said Ogloff.
Dr Flood says: "Pornography is attractive to heterosexual men in part
because in the porn universe, women are always ready for sex and eager
to please, there is no criticism of men's performance, and there's no
need to do that hard work of building trust and intimacy."
You have to wonder what that means when a kid's first taste of
sexuality is anal or group sex, re-enacted gang rapes or the sort of
degradation all too common on some websites that sees male performers
spit in the mouths of females.
In his essay "Big Red Son", an American writer, David Foster Wallace,
says: "In-your-face vileness is part of the schizoid direction porn's
been moving in all decade. For just as adult entertainment has become
more 'mainstream' ... it has also become more extreme and not just on
the Bizarro margins.
"In nearly all hetero porn now, there is an emphasis on anal sex,
painful penetrations, degrading tableaux, and the (at least)
psychological abuse of women.
"In certain respects this extremism may simply be porn's tracing [of]
Hollywood's own entertainment arc: it's hardly news that TV and legit
film have also gotten more violent and explicit and raw."
It's a sobering thought that many young men may now consider these sort
of extreme sexual acts as "normal" and young women, exposed to the
demands of these men, consider compliance with them reasonable.
With the genre-bending that goes on in pornography nowadays it is also
possible that some viewers' expectations of reality will be similarly
affected. In his essay, Wallace also tackles the phenomena of 'gonzo'
porn, which "has become one of this decade's most popular and
profitable genres of adult video".
"It's more or less a cross between an MTV documentary and hell panel
from Bocsh's Garden of Earthly Delights," that involves pornographers
appearing to pick up innocents (usually paid actors) off the street and
within minutes having them engaged in sex acts.
"Whereas traditional 'dramatic' porn videos simulate the 100 per cent
sexualisation of real life (by creating a kind of alternative real
world in which every one from secretaries to firemen to dental
hygienists is always just one prompt away from frantic intercourse),
'gonzo' videos push the envelope by offering the apparent sexualisation
of actual life ... the porn equivalent of the mainstream trend in
docu-dramas like ..." RPA, Border Security and The Biggest Loser.
Pornography and masturbation are subjects that tend to be sniggered
about and are only intermittently discussed in the media. However, with
internet pornography imprinting itself on the sexual expectations of so
many men, it may be time to drag them from behind the school toilet
block to join other, mainstream male sex and health issues.
This is a huge topic and one I intend to discuss further in the future,
so I'd love to hear your thoughts on the subject.
Let me finish by saying that 40 years ago, the advent of the birth
control pill changed sexual dynamics across the world. It's my sincere
belief that what's happening today with internet porn will shape male
female relationships just as profoundly.
*Pinged: caught.
The feminist book "The Joy of Sex" published in 1972 encouraged women
to do anal sex. Women demeaned themselves by adopting feminist
attitudes and paradigms long before pornography on the internet.
Blame the feminists. Without their control of sex we'd still be
dragging them around by the hair with a club in our hand.
Smitty
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15 Sep 2006 06:35:51 PM |
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Masculist wrote:
Sound of Trumpet wrote:
http://blogs.smh.com.au/allmenareliars/archives/2006/09/how_internet_po.html
How internet porn is changing your sex life
(edit)
Let me finish by saying that 40 years ago, the advent of the birth
control pill changed sexual dynamics across the world. It's my sincere
belief that what's happening today with internet porn will shape male
female relationships just as profoundly.
Well, if it does, women will be living on their own side of the planet.
:-)
*Pinged: caught.
The feminist book "The Joy of Sex" published in 1972 encouraged women
to do anal sex. Women demeaned themselves by adopting feminist
attitudes and paradigms long before pornography on the internet.
Nonsense! "The Joy of Sex" simply provided information and choices for
women to do what THEY wished for sexually. Anal sex was nevr promoted.
Perhaps you've confused education about the variety of sexual
activities available with some kind of "encouragement".
Blame the feminists. Without their control of sex we'd still be
dragging them around by the hair with a club in our hand.
Hahahahahaha....Thanks for the acknowledgement. :-) Now, go get me a
beer. :-)
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16 Sep 2006 02:22:38 AM |
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"Hyerdahl" <Hyerdahl3@aol.com> wrote in message
Masculist wrote:
The feminist book "The Joy of Sex" published in 1972 encouraged women
to do anal sex. Women demeaned themselves by adopting feminist
attitudes and paradigms long before pornography on the internet.
Nonsense! "The Joy of Sex" simply provided information and choices for
women to do what THEY wished for sexually. Anal sex was nevr promoted.
Perhaps you've confused education about the variety of sexual
activities available with some kind of "encouragement".
Exactly.
Porn, whether it is on the internet of in a book, is not "educational",
though people do learn things from it.
When pornography is aimed at women it is often dressed up as health or
relationship advice, or social activism. Don't be fooled.
--
www.personal.leeds.ac.uk/~bgy1mm
freeware games to download.
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| User: "brique" |
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16 Sep 2006 01:48:44 AM |
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Hyerdahl <Hyerdahl3@aol.com> wrote in message
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Masculist wrote:
Sound of Trumpet wrote:
http://blogs.smh.com.au/allmenareliars/archives/2006/09/how_internet_po.html
How internet porn is changing your sex life
(edit)
Let me finish by saying that 40 years ago, the advent of the birth
control pill changed sexual dynamics across the world. It's my sincere
belief that what's happening today with internet porn will shape male
female relationships just as profoundly.
Well, if it does, women will be living on their own side of the planet.
:-)
*Pinged: caught.
The feminist book "The Joy of Sex" published in 1972 encouraged women
to do anal sex. Women demeaned themselves by adopting feminist
attitudes and paradigms long before pornography on the internet.
Read the Kinsey Reports (1948/1953) and you will note that many married
couples enjoyed, even preferred, anal sex long before Alex Comfort raised
the subject in his book. One reason given was that it avoided the need for
contraception, which does raise the interesting point that, for catholics
anyway, their own church teachings encourage the practice far more than an
allegedly 'feminist' book ever did.
Nonsense! "The Joy of Sex" simply provided information and choices for
women to do what THEY wished for sexually. Anal sex was nevr promoted.
Perhaps you've confused education about the variety of sexual
activities available with some kind of "encouragement".
I think you have touched upon the root cause of some mens problems here,
namely, the very idea that women might seek to enjoy and gain pleasure from
sexual relationships would tend to reveal how many of those men are
incapable of providing that pleasure for their partner. So, keep them
ignorant and they will never know what a sad ***** they have for a man.
Blame the feminists. Without their control of sex we'd still be
dragging them around by the hair with a club in our hand.
Hahahahahaha....Thanks for the acknowledgement. :-) Now, go get me a
beer. :-)
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16 Sep 2006 10:58:30 AM |
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brique wrote:
Hyerdahl <Hyerdahl3@aol.com> wrote in message
news:1158363351.460178.106860@p79g2000cwp.googlegroups.com...
Masculist wrote:
Sound of Trumpet wrote:
http://blogs.smh.com.au/allmenareliars/archives/2006/09/how_internet_po.html
How internet porn is changing your sex life
(edit)
Let me finish by saying that 40 years ago, the advent of the birth
control pill changed sexual dynamics across the world. It's my sincere
belief that what's happening today with internet porn will shape male
female relationships just as profoundly.
Well, if it does, women will be living on their own side of the planet.
:-)
*Pinged: caught.
The feminist book "The Joy of Sex" published in 1972 encouraged women
to do anal sex. Women demeaned themselves by adopting feminist
attitudes and paradigms long before pornography on the internet.
Read the Kinsey Reports (1948/1953) and you will note that many married
couples enjoyed, even preferred, anal sex long before Alex Comfort raised
the subject in his book. One reason given was that it avoided the need for
contraception, which does raise the interesting point that, for catholics
anyway, their own church teachings encourage the practice far more than an
allegedly 'feminist' book ever did.
Nonsense! "The Joy of Sex" simply provided information and choices for
women to do what THEY wished for sexually. Anal sex was nevr promoted.
Perhaps you've confused education about the variety of sexual
activities available with some kind of "encouragement".
I think you have touched upon the root cause of some mens problems here,
namely, the very idea that women might seek to enjoy and gain pleasure from
sexual relationships would tend to reveal how many of those men are
incapable of providing that pleasure for their partner. So, keep them
ignorant and they will never know what a sad ***** they have for a man.
Indeed.
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| User: "Hyerdahl" |
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| Title: Re: Internet Porn Is Destroying Male-Female Relationships |
21 Sep 2006 09:19:29 PM |
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brique wrote:
Hyerdahl <Hyerdahl3@aol.com> wrote in message
news:1158363351.460178.106860@p79g2000cwp.googlegroups.com...
Masculist wrote:
Sound of Trumpet wrote:
http://blogs.smh.com.au/allmenareliars/archives/2006/09/how_internet_po.html
How internet porn is changing your sex life
(edit)
Let me finish by saying that 40 years ago, the advent of the birth
control pill changed sexual dynamics across the world. It's my sincere
belief that what's happening today with internet porn will shape male
female relationships just as profoundly.
Well, if it does, women will be living on their own side of the planet.
:-)
*Pinged: caught.
The feminist book "The Joy of Sex" published in 1972 encouraged women
to do anal sex. Women demeaned themselves by adopting feminist
attitudes and paradigms long before pornography on the internet.
Read the Kinsey Reports (1948/1953) and you will note that many married
couples enjoyed, even preferred, anal sex long before Alex Comfort raised
the subject in his book. One reason given was that it avoided the need for
contraception, which does raise the interesting point that, for catholics
anyway, their own church teachings encourage the practice far more than an
allegedly 'feminist' book ever did.
Feminism is about equal rights for women; if women have equal rights
in the world, they will choose the kinds of sex THEY want. I have a
feeling it won't be anal sex. :-)
Nonsense! "The Joy of Sex" simply provided information and choices for
women to do what THEY wished for sexually. Anal sex was nevr promoted.
Perhaps you've confused education about the variety of sexual
activities available with some kind of "encouragement".
I think you have touched upon the root cause of some mens problems here,
namely, the very idea that women might seek to enjoy and gain pleasure from
sexual relationships would tend to reveal how many of those men are
incapable of providing that pleasure for their partner. So, keep them
ignorant and they will never know what a sad ***** they have for a man.
Again, you seem to think I have some reservations about educating women
about sex. Clearly, I don't. :-) And if women WANT anal sex, they
can let men know that. :-)
Blame the feminists. Without their control of sex we'd still be
dragging them around by the hair with a club in our hand.
Hahahahahaha....Thanks for the acknowledgement. :-) Now, go get me a
beer. :-)
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| User: "" |
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21 Sep 2006 10:58:23 PM |
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Hyerdahl wrote:
Feminism is about equal rights for women; if women have equal rights
in the world, they will choose the kinds of sex THEY want. I have a
feeling it won't be anal sex. :-)
Shame on you for saying women aren't explorers.
Again, you seem to think I have some reservations about educating women
about sex. Clearly, I don't. :-) And if women WANT anal sex, they
can let men know that. :-)
Women love being treated with respect and decency, didnt you know that?
Hahahahahaha....Thanks for the acknowledgement. :-) Now, go get me a
beer. :-)
You like to think of yourself as a women who wears the feminist label
with pride yet you live to tell only through hiding behind the chivalry
/ rivalry of men fighting other men for *****.
So where's the feminism from that choice?
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| User: "Hyerdahl" |
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22 Sep 2006 09:21:00 AM |
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wrote:
Hyerdahl wrote:
Feminism is about equal rights for women; if women have equal rights
in the world, they will choose the kinds of sex THEY want. I have a
feeling it won't be anal sex. :-)
Shame on you for saying women aren't explorers.
I didn't say women were not explorers, merely that they know what they
like and don't like. :-)
Again, you seem to think I have some reservations about educating women
about sex. Clearly, I don't. :-) And if women WANT anal sex, they
can let men know that. :-)
Women love being treated with respect and decency, didnt you know that?
Sure. That's my point. :-)
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| User: "Rhonda Lea Kirk" |
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| Title: Re: Internet Porn Is Destroying Male-Female Relationships |
22 Sep 2006 07:30:48 AM |
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Hyerdahl wrote:
brique wrote:
Hyerdahl <Hyerdahl3@aol.com> wrote in message
news:1158363351.460178.106860@p79g2000cwp.googlegroups.com...
Masculist wrote:
Sound of Trumpet wrote:
http://blogs.smh.com.au/allmenareliars/archives/2006/09/how_internet_po.html
How internet porn is changing your sex life
(edit)
Let me finish by saying that 40 years ago, the advent of the birth
control pill changed sexual dynamics across the world. It's my
sincere belief that what's happening today with internet porn
will shape male female relationships just as profoundly.
Well, if it does, women will be living on their own side of the
planet. :-)
*Pinged: caught.
The feminist book "The Joy of Sex" published in 1972 encouraged
women to do anal sex. Women demeaned themselves by adopting
feminist attitudes and paradigms long before pornography on the
internet.
Read the Kinsey Reports (1948/1953) and you will note that many
married couples enjoyed, even preferred, anal sex long before Alex
Comfort raised the subject in his book. One reason given was that
it avoided the need for contraception, which does raise the
interesting point that, for catholics anyway, their own church
teachings encourage the practice far more than an allegedly
'feminist' book ever did.
Feminism is about equal rights for women; if women have equal rights
in the world, they will choose the kinds of sex THEY want. I have a
feeling it won't be anal sex. :-)
Why?
Nonsense! "The Joy of Sex" simply provided information and choices
for women to do what THEY wished for sexually. Anal sex was nevr
promoted. Perhaps you've confused education about the variety of
sexual activities available with some kind of "encouragement".
I think you have touched upon the root cause of some mens problems
here, namely, the very idea that women might seek to enjoy and gain
pleasure from sexual relationships would tend to reveal how many of
those men are incapable of providing that pleasure for their
partner. So, keep them ignorant and they will never know what a sad
***** they have for a man.
Again, you seem to think I have some reservations about educating
women about sex. Clearly, I don't. :-) And if women WANT anal sex,
they can let men know that. :-)
Yes, and if they do, you'll say that they're really men.
Because of course, you have a "feeling" that when we're choosing the
kinds of sex [WE] want, it won't be anal sex.
As if you can speak for women.
Blame the feminists. Without their control of sex we'd still be
dragging them around by the hair with a club in our hand.
Hahahahahaha....Thanks for the acknowledgement. :-) Now, go get
me a beer. :-)
--
Rhonda Lea Kirk
Happiness limits the amount of suffering one is
willing to inflict on others. Phèdre nó Delaunay
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| User: "Curly Surmudgeon" |
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| Title: Re: Internet Porn Is Destroying Male-Female Relationships |
22 Sep 2006 12:29:49 PM |
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On Fri, 22 Sep 2006 08:30:48 -0400, Rhonda Lea Kirk wrote:
Hyerdahl wrote:
brique wrote:
Hyerdahl <Hyerdahl3@aol.com> wrote in message
news:1158363351.460178.106860@p79g2000cwp.googlegroups.com...
Masculist wrote:
Sound of Trumpet wrote:
http://blogs.smh.com.au/allmenareliars/archives/2006/09/how_internet_po.html
How internet porn is changing your sex life
(edit)
Let me finish by saying that 40 years ago, the advent of the birth
control pill changed sexual dynamics across the world. It's my
sincere belief that what's happening today with internet porn
will shape male female relationships just as profoundly.
Well, if it does, women will be living on their own side of the
planet. :-)
*Pinged: caught.
The feminist book "The Joy of Sex" published in 1972 encouraged
women to do anal sex. Women demeaned themselves by adopting
feminist attitudes and paradigms long before pornography on the
internet.
Read the Kinsey Reports (1948/1953) and you will note that many
married couples enjoyed, even preferred, anal sex long before Alex
Comfort raised the subject in his book. One reason given was that
it avoided the need for contraception, which does raise the
interesting point that, for catholics anyway, their own church
teachings encourage the practice far more than an allegedly
'feminist' book ever did.
Feminism is about equal rights for women; if women have equal rights
in the world, they will choose the kinds of sex THEY want. I have a
feeling it won't be anal sex. :-)
Why?
Nonsense! "The Joy of Sex" simply provided information and choices
for women to do what THEY wished for sexually. Anal sex was nevr
promoted. Perhaps you've confused education about the variety of
sexual activities available with some kind of "encouragement".
I think you have touched upon the root cause of some mens problems
here, namely, the very idea that women might seek to enjoy and gain
pleasure from sexual relationships would tend to reveal how many of
those men are incapable of providing that pleasure for their
partner. So, keep them ignorant and they will never know what a sad
***** they have for a man.
Again, you seem to think I have some reservations about educating
women about sex. Clearly, I don't. :-) And if women WANT anal sex,
they can let men know that. :-)
Yes, and if they do, you'll say that they're really men.
Because of course, you have a "feeling" that when we're choosing the
kinds of sex [WE] want, it won't be anal sex.
As if you can speak for women.
And vice-versa.
I wish people would learn the difference between 'sex' and "love". One is
purely physical with the agressor/dominant controlling the situation. The
other is mutual. In my world sex is pretty boring while love provides
endless variations of mutual satisfaction.
When one loves another the only restriction is not pleasing your partner.
Whether they go "baa-baa" or wake the neighbors is irrelevant if you both
are happy.
-- Regards, Curly
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Time to dust off the guillotine
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| User: "655321" |
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22 Sep 2006 10:02:32 PM |
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In article <pan.2006.09.22.17.29.44.644258@left_the_building.com>,
Curly Surmudgeon <curly@left_the_building.com> wrote:
I wish people would learn the difference between 'sex' and "love". One is
purely physical with the agressor/dominant controlling the situation. The
other is mutual.
Silly, silly, silly....
--
655321
"Heed the message served with every Republican banquet speech -- that the
private interest precedes the public interest, that money is good for rich
people, bad for poor people -- and who can say that the war in Iraq has proven
to be anything other than the transformation of a godforsaken desert into a
defense contractor's Garden of Eden?" -- Lewis Lapham
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| User: "Hyerdahl" |
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22 Sep 2006 09:29:11 AM |
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Rhonda Lea Kirk wrote:
Hyerdahl wrote:
brique wrote:
Hyerdahl <Hyerdahl3@aol.com> wrote in message
news:1158363351.460178.106860@p79g2000cwp.googlegroups.com...
Masculist wrote:
Sound of Trumpet wrote:
http://blogs.smh.com.au/allmenareliars/archives/2006/09/how_internet_po.html
How internet porn is changing your sex life
(edit)
Let me finish by saying that 40 years ago, the advent of the birth
control pill changed sexual dynamics across the world. It's my
sincere belief that what's happening today with internet porn
will shape male female relationships just as profoundly.
Well, if it does, women will be living on their own side of the
planet. :-)
*Pinged: caught.
The feminist book "The Joy of Sex" published in 1972 encouraged
women to do anal sex. Women demeaned themselves by adopting
feminist attitudes and paradigms long before pornography on the
internet.
Read the Kinsey Reports (1948/1953) and you will note that many
married couples enjoyed, even preferred, anal sex long before Alex
Comfort raised the subject in his book. One reason given was that
it avoided the need for contraception, which does raise the
interesting point that, for catholics anyway, their own church
teachings encourage the practice far more than an allegedly
'feminist' book ever did.
Feminism is about equal rights for women; if women have equal rights
in the world, they will choose the kinds of sex THEY want. I have a
feeling it won't be anal sex. :-)
Why?
That's just my opionion, based on my observations of women. Most women
seem to prefer clitoral stimulation and vaginal sex. In fact, more
traditional women who associate sex with procreation rather than
recreation, would not endorse anal sex as an option at all.
Nonsense! "The Joy of Sex" simply provided information and choices
for women to do what THEY wished for sexually. Anal sex was nevr
promoted. Perhaps you've confused education about the variety of
sexual activities available with some kind of "encouragement".
I think you have touched upon the root cause of some mens problems
here, namely, the very idea that women might seek to enjoy and gain
pleasure from sexual relationships would tend to reveal how many of
those men are incapable of providing that pleasure for their
partner. So, keep them ignorant and they will never know what a sad
***** they have for a man.
Again, you seem to think I have some reservations about educating
women about sex. Clearly, I don't. :-) And if women WANT anal sex,
they can let men know that. :-)
Yes, and if they do, you'll say that they're really men.
:-) Only for people like you, 'Rhonda', who actually ARE men no matter
what kind of sex you _say_ you prefer.
Because of course, you have a "feeling" that when we're choosing the
kinds of sex [WE] want, it won't be anal sex.
Again, take a poll. :-) I'm not a bit worried about my position here.
:-)
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| User: "Rhonda Lea Kirk" |
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22 Sep 2006 04:37:04 PM |
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Hyerdahl wrote:
Rhonda Lea Kirk wrote:
Hyerdahl wrote:
brique wrote:
Hyerdahl <Hyerdahl3@aol.com> wrote in message
news:1158363351.460178.106860@p79g2000cwp.googlegroups.com...
Masculist wrote:
Sound of Trumpet wrote:
http://blogs.smh.com.au/allmenareliars/archives/2006/09/how_internet_po.html
How internet porn is changing your sex life
(edit)
Let me finish by saying that 40 years ago, the advent of the
birth control pill changed sexual dynamics across the world.
It's my sincere belief that what's happening today with
internet porn will shape male female relationships just as
profoundly.
Well, if it does, women will be living on their own side of the
planet. :-)
*Pinged: caught.
The feminist book "The Joy of Sex" published in 1972 encouraged
women to do anal sex. Women demeaned themselves by adopting
feminist attitudes and paradigms long before pornography on the
internet.
Read the Kinsey Reports (1948/1953) and you will note that many
married couples enjoyed, even preferred, anal sex long before Alex
Comfort raised the subject in his book. One reason given was that
it avoided the need for contraception, which does raise the
interesting point that, for catholics anyway, their own church
teachings encourage the practice far more than an allegedly
'feminist' book ever did.
Feminism is about equal rights for women; if women have equal
rights in the world, they will choose the kinds of sex THEY want.
I have a feeling it won't be anal sex. :-)
Why?
That's just my opionion, based on my observations of women. Most
women seem to prefer clitoral stimulation and vaginal sex.
According to an article I recently read, if orgasm is the goal, women
prefer clitoral stimulation and men prefer vaginal sex.
But most people with active, healthy, sex lives are not obsessed by
orgasm.
With all that said, a steady diet of anal sex can lead to physical
problems later on, so I don't know too many people who use it as more
than a bit of spice in the menu. But I also don't know any women who
engage in it who don't also enjoy it.
In fact,
more traditional women who associate sex with procreation rather than
recreation, would not endorse anal sex as an option at all.
Don't most of those women believe in submission to their husbands?
You've got to wonder--if anal sex is a largely male desire (as you have
tried to imply), it would then follow that those submissive, traditional
women are having the most anal sex.
Something just isn't adding up here, Hyerdahl.
Nonsense! "The Joy of Sex" simply provided information and
choices for women to do what THEY wished for sexually. Anal sex
was nevr promoted. Perhaps you've confused education about the
variety of sexual activities available with some kind of
"encouragement".
I think you have touched upon the root cause of some mens problems
here, namely, the very idea that women might seek to enjoy and gain
pleasure from sexual relationships would tend to reveal how many of
those men are incapable of providing that pleasure for their
partner. So, keep them ignorant and they will never know what a sad
***** they have for a man.
Again, you seem to think I have some reservations about educating
women about sex. Clearly, I don't. :-) And if women WANT anal
sex, they can let men know that. :-)
Yes, and if they do, you'll say that they're really men.
:-) Only for people like you, 'Rhonda', who actually ARE men no
matter what kind of sex you _say_ you prefer.
Okay. Whatever. Your delusions are not my problem.
Because of course, you have a "feeling" that when we're choosing the
kinds of sex [WE] want, it won't be anal sex.
Again, take a poll. :-) I'm not a bit worried about my position
here. :-)
I just don't think anyone appointed you the spokesmodel for the sexual
desires of all womankind, Hyerdahl.
And I'm pretty sure that no matter what research I present, it will be
flawed in your eyes if the conclusion doesn't concur with your own
prejudices.
--
Rhonda Lea Kirk
Happiness limits the amount of suffering one is
willing to inflict on others. Phèdre nó Delaunay
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22 Sep 2006 07:16:50 PM |
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Rhonda Lea Kirk wrote:
Hyerdahl wrote:
:-) Only for people like you, 'Rhonda', who actually ARE men no
matter what kind of sex you _say_ you prefer.
Okay. Whatever. Your delusions are not my problem.
Don't take it personally Rhonda, Parg/Hyerdahl accuses *every* woman
who disagrees with her of being a man...you're in good company :-)
....Ken
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23 Sep 2006 01:06:02 AM |
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Ken Chaddock wrote:
Rhonda Lea Kirk wrote:
Hyerdahl wrote:
:-) Only for people like you, 'Rhonda', who actually ARE men no
matter what kind of sex you _say_ you prefer.
Okay. Whatever. Your delusions are not my problem.
Don't take it personally Rhonda, Parg/Hyerdahl accuses *every* woman
who disagrees with her of being a man...you're in good company :-)
Her whole MO reminds me of Connor. I'm starting to wonder if he has MPD,
and she's just one of his alters.
--
Rhonda Lea Kirk
Happiness limits the amount of suffering one is
willing to inflict on others. Phèdre nó Delaunay
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| User: "Hyerdahl" |
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22 Sep 2006 05:11:28 PM |
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Rhonda Lea Kirk wrote:
Hyerdahl wrote:
Rhonda Lea Kirk wrote:
Hyerdahl wrote:
brique wrote:
Hyerdahl <Hyerdahl3@aol.com> wrote in message
news:1158363351.460178.106860@p79g2000cwp.googlegroups.com...
Masculist wrote:
Sound of Trumpet wrote:
http://blogs.smh.com.au/allmenareliars/archives/2006/09/how_internet=
_po.html
How internet porn is changing your sex life
(edit)
Let me finish by saying that 40 years ago, the advent of the
birth control pill changed sexual dynamics across the world.
It's my sincere belief that what's happening today with
internet porn will shape male female relationships just as
profoundly.
Well, if it does, women will be living on their own side of the
planet. :-)
*Pinged: caught.
The feminist book "The Joy of Sex" published in 1972 encouraged
women to do anal sex. Women demeaned themselves by adopting
feminist attitudes and paradigms long before pornography on the
internet.
Read the Kinsey Reports (1948/1953) and you will note that many
married couples enjoyed, even preferred, anal sex long before Alex
Comfort raised the subject in his book. One reason given was that
it avoided the need for contraception, which does raise the
interesting point that, for catholics anyway, their own church
teachings encourage the practice far more than an allegedly
'feminist' book ever did.
Feminism is about equal rights for women; if women have equal
rights in the world, they will choose the kinds of sex THEY want.
I have a feeling it won't be anal sex. :-)
Why?
That's just my opionion, based on my observations of women. Most
women seem to prefer clitoral stimulation and vaginal sex.
According to an article I recently read, if orgasm is the goal, women
prefer clitoral stimulation and men prefer vaginal sex.
Sure. But vaginal sex comes in second with women.
But most people with active, healthy, sex lives are not obsessed by
orgasm.
I think that's true.
With all that said, a steady diet of anal sex can lead to physical
problems later on, so I don't know too many people who use it as more
than a bit of spice in the menu. But I also don't know any women who
engage in it who don't also enjoy it.
I never took a poll. :-) However, in surveys you can find on the net
only a small percentage of women WANT anal sex. So that says quite a
bit.
In fact,> more traditional women who associate sex with procreation rat=
her than
recreation, would not endorse anal sex as an option at all.
Don't most of those women believe in submission to their husbands?
They also believe that sex is dirty other than for procreation. Why do
you think so many Christians seek hookers? :-) BTW, did you know that
the divorce rate of Christians is higher than for other religions? :-)
You've got to wonder--if anal sex is a largely male desire (as you have
tried to imply), it would then follow that those submissive, traditional
women are having the most anal sex.
If the phallic choice they make FIRST is to a male diety, he may take
precedence over the male husband. :-)
Something just isn't adding up here, Hyerdahl.
Sure it is.
Nonsense! "The Joy of Sex" simply provided information and
choices for women to do what THEY wished for sexually. Anal sex
was never promoted. Perhaps you've confused education about the
variety of sexual activities available with some kind of
"encouragement".
I think you have touched upon the root cause of some mens problems
here, namely, the very idea that women might seek to enjoy and gain
pleasure from sexual relationships would tend to reveal how many of
those men are incapable of providing that pleasure for their
partner. So, keep them ignorant and they will never know what a sad
***** they have for a man.
Again, you seem to think I have some reservations about educating
women about sex. Clearly, I don't. :-) And if women WANT anal
sex, they can let men know that. :-)
Yes, and if they do, you'll say that they're really men.
:-) Only for people like you, 'Rhonda', who actually ARE men no
matter what kind of sex you _say_ you prefer.
Okay. Whatever. Your delusions are not my problem.
Because of course, you have a "feeling" that when we're choosing the
kinds of sex [WE] want, it won't be anal sex.
Again, take a poll. :-) I'm not a bit worried about my position
here. :-)
I just don't think anyone appointed you the spokesmodel for the sexual
desires of all womankind, Hyerdahl.
And I'm pretty sure that no matter what research I present, it will be
flawed in your eyes if the conclusion doesn't concur with your own
prejudices.
Well, I've looked at a few surveys that indicate only a small
percentage of women would try anal sex so.....go for it.
--
Rhonda Lea Kirk
Happiness limits the amount of suffering one is
willing to inflict on others. Ph=E8dre n=F3 Delaunay
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| User: "Ken Chaddock" |
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22 Sep 2006 07:40:38 PM |
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Hyerdahl wrote:
Rhonda Lea Kirk wrote:
Hyerdahl wrote:
That's just my opionion, based on my observations of women. Most
women seem to prefer clitoral stimulation and vaginal sex.
According to an article I recently read, if orgasm is the goal, women
prefer clitoral stimulation and men prefer vaginal sex.
Sure. But vaginal sex comes in second with women.
That's a pretty sweeping generalization there Parg/Hyerdahl...I suppose
you can cite a study that has found that all women *perfer* clitoral
stimulation over vaginal intercourse ? It *does* lead me to wonder
though, why dildos and ***** harnesses are soooo popular among lesbians ?
But most people with active, healthy, sex lives are not obsessed by
orgasm.
I think that's true.
With all that said, a steady diet of anal sex can lead to physical
problems later on, so I don't know too many people who use it as more
than a bit of spice in the menu. But I also don't know any women who
engage in it who don't also enjoy it.
I never took a poll. :-) However, in surveys you can find on the net
only a small percentage of women WANT anal sex. So that says quite a
bit.
In many of those polls though, the women who say they "don't want it"
also say they haven't tried it and many of the women who say they *have*
tried it also say they liked it...so much of this "dislike" may be a
case of apprehension rather than a genuine dislike based upon personal
experience...
In fact, more traditional women who associate sex with procreation rather
than recreation, would not endorse anal sex as an option at all.
Don't most of those women believe in submission to their husbands?
They also believe that sex is dirty other than for procreation. Why do
you think so many Christians seek hookers? :-) BTW, did you know that
the divorce rate of Christians is higher than for other religions? :-)
That's only because in "other" ethnic communities where religious is
still strong, so are the social prohibitions and consequences of
divorce. Christians have, by and large, lost any sense of stigma
surrounding divorce and the law makes it very easy..and very rewarding
for women...who file the vast majority of divorces
You've got to wonder--if anal sex is a largely male desire (as you have
tried to imply), it would then follow that those submissive, traditional
women are having the most anal sex.
If the phallic choice they make FIRST is to a male diety, he may take
precedence over the male husband. :-)
Then why are all those nuns who are "married to the church" and "brides
of Christ" also celibate ?
Something just isn't adding up here, Hyerdahl.
Sure it is.
No Rhonda's right, you logic is seriously flawed and she has
successfully punched a hole in it big enough to drive a bus through...
Again, take a poll. :-) I'm not a bit worried about my position
here. :-)
I just don't think anyone appointed you the spokesmodel for the sexual
desires of all womankind, Hyerdahl.
And I'm pretty sure that no matter what research I present, it will be
flawed in your eyes if the conclusion doesn't concur with your own
prejudices.
Well, I've looked at a few surveys that indicate only a small
percentage of women would try anal sex so.....go for it.
Again, that is likely based upon fear and apprehension rather than on
personal experience and while everyone is entitled to decide what they
will or will not try, they should at least be honest and admit when
their reluctance to try something comes from a preconceived notion
rather than from concrete personal experience...
....Ken
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Hyerdahl wrote:
Rhonda Lea Kirk wrote:
Hyerdahl wrote:
Rhonda Lea Kirk wrote:
Hyerdahl wrote:
brique wrote:
Hyerdahl <Hyerdahl3@aol.com> wrote in message
news:1158363351.460178.106860@p79g2000cwp.googlegroups.com...
Masculist wrote:
Sound of Trumpet wrote:
http://blogs.smh.com.au/allmenareliars/archives/2006/09/how_internet_po.html
How internet porn is changing your sex life
(edit)
Let me finish by saying that 40 years ago, the advent of the
birth control pill changed sexual dynamics across the world.
It's my sincere belief that what's happening today with
internet porn will shape male female relationships just as
profoundly.
Well, if it does, women will be living on their own side of the
planet. :-)
*Pinged: caught.
The feminist book "The Joy of Sex" published in 1972 encouraged
women to do anal sex. Women demeaned themselves by adopting
feminist attitudes and paradigms long before pornography on the
internet.
Read the Kinsey Reports (1948/1953) and you will note that many
married couples enjoyed, even preferred, anal sex long before
Alex Comfort raised the subject in his book. One reason given
was that it avoided the need for contraception, which does raise
the interesting point that, for catholics anyway, their own
church teachings encourage the practice far more than an
allegedly 'feminist' book ever did.
Feminism is about equal rights for women; if women have equal
rights in the world, they will choose the kinds of sex THEY want.
I have a feeling it won't be anal sex. :-)
Why?
That's just my opionion, based on my observations of women. Most
women seem to prefer clitoral stimulation and vaginal sex.
According to an article I recently read, if orgasm is the goal, women
prefer clitoral stimulation and men prefer vaginal sex.
Sure. But vaginal sex comes in second with women.
I don't even know how to respond to this.
My opinion is that couples with healthy sex lives experiment and find
what gives them pleasure, but based on you and Cosmo and some study that
I read earlier this afternoon, I'm doing it all wrong.
Still, I know women who enjoy anal sex. I also know a guy who will
never, ever, have it again as long as he lives. It wasn't his idea--he's
quite large, and he was afraid he'd hurt her, so she set the pace, but
she ended up in the hospital anyway. Now he has a true aversion.
I guess my point is that putting individuals into a blender, hitting
frappe and applying a label to the resulting slush is probably not the
best way to reach a useful conclusion.
But most people with active, healthy, sex lives are not obsessed by
orgasm.
I think that's true.
With all that said, a steady diet of anal sex can lead to physical
problems later on, so I don't know too many people who use it as more
than a bit of spice in the menu. But I also don't know any women who
engage in it who don't also enjoy it.
I never took a poll. :-) However, in surveys you can find on the net
only a small percentage of women WANT anal sex. So that says quite a
bit.
Y'know...if I find it on the internet, I'm inclined to believe the exact
opposite, unless it came out of Medline.
The only newspaper I trust is the Christian Science Monitor (research
it, Hyerdahl, before you latch onto "Christian" or you're going to
regret it), and I've given up reading magazines, except on airplanes and
in beauty salons. There's so much specious ***** out there, you can
find support, somewhere, for any stupid fucking theory you might invent.
If you can get Beverly Whipple or one of her ilk (i.e., a long-time and
respected sex researcher) to tell me that women just hate anal sex, I'll
buy it, but I don't think it's true. I've actually--personally--know
more men than women with objections to engaging in it.
In fact,> more traditional women who associate sex with procreation
rather than recreation, would not endorse anal sex as an option at
all.
Don't most of those women believe in submission to their husbands?
They also believe that sex is dirty other than for procreation.
My mother is <grimace> born-again. I know for sure she does not believe
this.
Why do you think so many Christians seek hookers? :-)
Have you got any figures for that? And how are they derived?
I generally don't discuss religion if I can avoid it, so I'm not sure
about the specific religious beliefs of most of my friends who contract
with prostitutes, but off the top of my head, a lot of them are
agnostics or atheists.
BTW, did you know that
the divorce rate of Christians is higher than for other religions?
:-)
And yet I've read that Christian women have more satisfying sex lives
(and have more sex) than other women.
You've got to wonder--if anal sex is a largely male desire (as you
have tried to imply), it would then follow that those submissive,
traditional women are having the most anal sex.
If the phallic choice they make FIRST is to a male diety, he may take
precedence over the male husband. :-)
That is not, as my mother would say, scriptural.
Something just isn't adding up here, Hyerdahl.
Sure it is.
Well, quite apart from our overall ideological issue we have with each
other, it doesn't add up. Even the "studies" cited don't come close to
agreement.
Nonsense! "The Joy of Sex" simply provided information and
choices for women to do what THEY wished for sexually. Anal sex
was never promoted. Perhaps you've confused education about the
variety of sexual activities available with some kind of
"encouragement".
I think you have touched upon the root cause of some mens
problems here, namely, the very idea that women might seek to
enjoy and gain pleasure from sexual relationships would tend to
reveal how many of those men are incapable of providing that
pleasure for their partner. So, keep them ignorant and they will
never know what a sad ***** they have for a man.
Again, you seem to think I have some reservations about educating
women about sex. Clearly, I don't. :-) And if women WANT anal
sex, they can let men know that. :-)
Yes, and if they do, you'll say that they're really men.
:-) Only for people like you, 'Rhonda', who actually ARE men no
matter what kind of sex you _say_ you prefer.
Okay. Whatever. Your delusions are not my problem.
Because of course, you have a "feeling" that when we're choosing
the kinds of sex [WE] want, it won't be anal sex.
Again, take a poll. :-) I'm not a bit worried about my position
here. :-)
I just don't think anyone appointed you the spokesmodel for the
sexual desires of all womankind, Hyerdahl.
And I'm pretty sure that no matter what research I present, it will
be flawed in your eyes if the conclusion doesn't concur with your own
prejudices.
Well, I've looked at a few surveys that indicate only a small
percentage of women would try anal sex so.....go for it.
Oh, I like it well enough, but there are issues: prolapse comes to mind,
along with all the other built-in pitfalls.
So, just like hanging from the ceiling, I don't recommend it as a steady
diet, but on occasion, a little variety never hurt anyone. And most of
my women friends seem to agree.
--
Rhonda Lea Kirk
Happiness limits the amount of suffering one is
willing to inflict on others. Phèdre nó Delaunay
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| Title: Re: Internet Porn Is Destroying Male-Female Relationships |
22 Sep 2006 08:16:01 PM |
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Rhonda Lea Kirk wrote:
Hyerdahl wrote:
Rhonda Lea Kirk wrote:
Hyerdahl wrote:
Rhonda Lea Kirk wrote:
Hyerdahl wrote:
brique wrote:
Hyerdahl <Hyerdahl3@aol.com> wrote in message
news:1158363351.460178.106860@p79g2000cwp.googlegroups.com...
Masculist wrote:
Sound of Trumpet wrote:
http://blogs.smh.com.au/allmenareliars/archives/2006/09/how_intern=
et_po.html
How internet porn is changing your sex life
(edit)
Let me finish by saying that 40 years ago, the advent of the
birth control pill changed sexual dynamics across the world.
It's my sincere belief that what's happening today with
internet porn will shape male female relationships just as
profoundly.
Well, if it does, women will be living on their own side of the
planet. :-)
*Pinged: caught.
The feminist book "The Joy of Sex" published in 1972 encouraged
women to do anal sex. Women demeaned themselves by adopting
feminist attitudes and paradigms long before pornography on the
internet.
Read the Kinsey Reports (1948/1953) and you will note that many
married couples enjoyed, even preferred, anal sex long before
Alex Comfort raised the subject in his book. One reason given
was that it avoided the need for contraception, which does raise
the interesting point that, for catholics anyway, their own
church teachings encourage the practice far more than an
allegedly 'feminist' book ever did.
Feminism is about equal rights for women; if women have equal
rights in the world, they will choose the kinds of sex THEY want.
I have a feeling it won't be anal sex. :-)
Why?
That's just my opionion, based on my observations of women. Most
women seem to prefer clitoral stimulation and vaginal sex.
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