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"Jason Spaceman" |
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01 Dec 2004 05:55:13 AM |
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Interview: The Man Behind the Meme |
From the article:
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The Man Behind the Meme
An interview with Richard Dawkins.
By Jim Holt
Posted Wednesday, Dec. 1, 2004, at 3:38 AM PT
Richard Dawkins, champion of Darwinism and scourge of religion, is a courtly and
attractive man, although not much given to humor. If one finds oneself smiling
frequently in the presence of this Oxford don?who was recently voted Britain's
No. 1 public intellectual?it is out of sheer enjoyment at his gift for
rendering the most subtle evolutionary ideas absolutely lucid.
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Read it at http://slate.msn.com/id/2110249/
J. Spaceman
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My email address (notreally@jspaceman.homelinux.org) is fake. Email sent to it
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| User: "dkomo" |
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01 Dec 2004 09:07:40 AM |
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Jason Spaceman wrote:
From the article:
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The Man Behind the Meme
An interview with Richard Dawkins.
By Jim Holt
Posted Wednesday, Dec. 1, 2004, at 3:38 AM PT
Richard Dawkins, champion of Darwinism and scourge of religion, is a courtly and
attractive man, although not much given to humor. If one finds oneself smiling
frequently in the presence of this Oxford don?who was recently voted Britain's
No. 1 public intellectual?it is out of sheer enjoyment at his gift for
rendering the most subtle evolutionary ideas absolutely lucid.
---------------------------------
Read it at http://slate.msn.com/id/2110249/
This interview contains one of the more intriguing "just so" stories
about the evolution of certain sui generis human characteristics:
""Why did humans lose their body hair? Why did they start walking on
their hind legs? Why did they develop big brains? I think that the
answer to all three questions is sexual selection," Dawkins said."
</political correctness filter off>
Also, here's a possible explanation for the coevolution of both big
brained men and beautiful women through sexual selection:
"At this point, Dawkins' wife, the actress Lalla Ward, shimmered into
the lobby to collect him. One could not help noticing that, in her
radiant blondness, she is even more attractive than her husband."
</political correctness filter on>
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| User: "John M Price PhD" |
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04 Dec 2004 06:49:58 PM |
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In article <9MGdnf-B3bkNfDDcRVn-sw@comcast.com> from sci.skeptic you wrote:
: </political correctness filter off>
: Also, here's a possible explanation for the coevolution of both big
: brained men and beautiful women through sexual selection:
Is beauty a primary quality?
(c) 2004. Copyright, John M. Price, PhD. All Rights Reserved.
Contents may not be republished in any form or medium without prior
written consent of the author with the express and only exception of
followup postings limited to and within usenet.
--
John M. Price, PhD
Life: Chemistry, but with feeling! | PGP Key on request or FTP!
Email responses to my Usenet articles will be posted at my discretion.
Comoderator: sci.psychology.psychotherapy.moderated Atheist# 683
No, they denounced the paper because they did not like the
conclusions. The conclusions disagreed with their opinions, and
opinions are more important than facts. (In nutball-speak, opinions
are called ``values.'')
- Jon Carroll, San Francisco Chronicle 17June99 E12
Discussing Laura Schlessinger, PhD (Exercise Physiology)
and Rep. Tom DeLay (R)
on a Psychological Research Paper
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| User: "dkomo" |
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05 Dec 2004 07:27:51 AM |
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John M Price PhD wrote:
In article <9MGdnf-B3bkNfDDcRVn-sw@comcast.com> from sci.skeptic you wrote:
: </political correctness filter off>
: Also, here's a possible explanation for the coevolution of both big
: brained men and beautiful women through sexual selection:
Is beauty a primary quality?
It doesn't have to be for sexual selection to work and produce more of
it. Beauty can indeed be in the eye of the beholder.
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| User: "John M Price PhD" |
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05 Dec 2004 01:20:33 PM |
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In article <t4idnQ_QweD5jS7cRVn-2Q@comcast.com> from sci.skeptic you wrote:
: John M Price PhD wrote:
: > In article <9MGdnf-B3bkNfDDcRVn-sw@comcast.com> from sci.skeptic you wrote:
: > : </political correctness filter off>
: >
: > : Also, here's a possible explanation for the coevolution of both big
: > : brained men and beautiful women through sexual selection:
: >
: > Is beauty a primary quality?
: >
: It doesn't have to be for sexual selection to work and produce more of
: it. Beauty can indeed be in the eye of the beholder.
Sure, but then 'beauty' isn't being selected, just those traits of the
other individual that the beholder finds as such.
(c) 2004. Copyright, John M. Price, PhD. All Rights Reserved.
Contents may not be republished in any form or medium without prior
written consent of the author with the express and only exception of
followup postings limited to and within usenet.
--
John M. Price, PhD
Life: Chemistry, but with feeling! | PGP Key on request or FTP!
Email responses to my Usenet articles will be posted at my discretion.
Comoderator: sci.psychology.psychotherapy.moderated Atheist# 683
Psychoanalysis
Psycho-analysis pretends to investigate the Unconscious. The Unconscious
by definition is what you are not conscious of. But the Analysts already
know what's in it- they should, because they put it all in beforehand.
- Saul Bellow (b. 1915), U.S. novelist. Albert Corde, in The
Dean's December, ch. 18 (1982).
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| User: "dkomo" |
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05 Dec 2004 02:06:09 PM |
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John M Price PhD wrote:
In article <t4idnQ_QweD5jS7cRVn-2Q@comcast.com> from sci.skeptic you wrote:
: John M Price PhD wrote:
: > In article <9MGdnf-B3bkNfDDcRVn-sw@comcast.com> from sci.skeptic you wrote:
: > : </political correctness filter off>
: >
: > : Also, here's a possible explanation for the coevolution of both big
: > : brained men and beautiful women through sexual selection:
: >
: > Is beauty a primary quality?
: >
: It doesn't have to be for sexual selection to work and produce more of
: it. Beauty can indeed be in the eye of the beholder.
Sure, but then 'beauty' isn't being selected, just those traits of the
other individual that the beholder finds as such.
Agreed. I never claimed otherwise. 'Beauty' was just shorthand for a
certain class of phenotypic traits pleasing to the selecting agent.
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| User: "Zachriel" |
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05 Dec 2004 02:30:30 PM |
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"dkomo" <dkomo871@comcast.net> wrote in message
news:mpWdnWlv6Ktc8C7cRVn-qQ@comcast.com...
John M Price PhD wrote:
In article <t4idnQ_QweD5jS7cRVn-2Q@comcast.com> from sci.skeptic you
wrote:
: John M Price PhD wrote:
: > In article <9MGdnf-B3bkNfDDcRVn-sw@comcast.com> from sci.skeptic you
wrote:
: > : </political correctness filter off>
: >
: > : Also, here's a possible explanation for the coevolution of both big
: > : brained men and beautiful women through sexual selection:
: >
: > Is beauty a primary quality?
: >
: It doesn't have to be for sexual selection to work and produce more of
: it. Beauty can indeed be in the eye of the beholder.
Sure, but then 'beauty' isn't being selected, just those traits of the
other individual that the beholder finds as such.
Agreed. I never claimed otherwise. 'Beauty' was just shorthand for a
certain class of phenotypic traits pleasing to the selecting agent.
That doesn't mean that concepts of beauty can't be discussed in a
philosophical manner--once having agreed on certain philosophically
consistent foundational principles. Such as
"Do you see the pair on her!"
"Yo, Mama!"
. . .
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| User: "dkomo" |
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05 Dec 2004 03:18:01 PM |
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Zachriel wrote:
"dkomo" <dkomo871@comcast.net> wrote in message
news:mpWdnWlv6Ktc8C7cRVn-qQ@comcast.com...
John M Price PhD wrote:
In article <t4idnQ_QweD5jS7cRVn-2Q@comcast.com> from sci.skeptic you
wrote:
: John M Price PhD wrote:
: > In article <9MGdnf-B3bkNfDDcRVn-sw@comcast.com> from sci.skeptic you
wrote:
: > : </political correctness filter off>
: >
: > : Also, here's a possible explanation for the coevolution of both big
: > : brained men and beautiful women through sexual selection:
: >
: > Is beauty a primary quality?
: >
: It doesn't have to be for sexual selection to work and produce more of
: it. Beauty can indeed be in the eye of the beholder.
Sure, but then 'beauty' isn't being selected, just those traits of the
other individual that the beholder finds as such.
Agreed. I never claimed otherwise. 'Beauty' was just shorthand for a
certain class of phenotypic traits pleasing to the selecting agent.
That doesn't mean that concepts of beauty can't be discussed in a
philosophical manner--once having agreed on certain philosophically
consistent foundational principles. Such as
"Do you see the pair on her!"
"Yo, Mama!"
. . .
Was that from Plato? Or was it Aristotle?
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| User: "John Wilkins" |
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05 Dec 2004 03:39:41 PM |
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dkomo <dkomo871@comcast.net> wrote:
Zachriel wrote:
"dkomo" <dkomo871@comcast.net> wrote in message
news:mpWdnWlv6Ktc8C7cRVn-qQ@comcast.com...
John M Price PhD wrote:
In article <t4idnQ_QweD5jS7cRVn-2Q@comcast.com> from sci.skeptic you
wrote:
: John M Price PhD wrote:
: > In article <9MGdnf-B3bkNfDDcRVn-sw@comcast.com> from sci.skeptic you
wrote:
: > : </political correctness filter off>
: >
: > : Also, here's a possible explanation for the coevolution of both big
: > : brained men and beautiful women through sexual selection:
: >
: > Is beauty a primary quality?
: >
: It doesn't have to be for sexual selection to work and produce more of
: it. Beauty can indeed be in the eye of the beholder.
Sure, but then 'beauty' isn't being selected, just those traits of the
other individual that the beholder finds as such.
Agreed. I never claimed otherwise. 'Beauty' was just shorthand for a
certain class of phenotypic traits pleasing to the selecting agent.
That doesn't mean that concepts of beauty can't be discussed in a
philosophical manner--once having agreed on certain philosophically
consistent foundational principles. Such as
"Do you see the pair on her!"
"Yo, Mama!"
. . .
Was that from Plato? Or was it Aristotle?
Morons.
--
John S. Wilkins
web: www.wilkins.id.au blog: evolvethought.blogspot.com
God cheats
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| User: "Eros" |
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05 Dec 2004 09:13:58 PM |
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(John Wilkins) wrote in message news:<1god7be.11te7r2k0bu4cN%>...
dkomo <dkomo871@comcast.net> wrote:
Zachriel wrote:
"dkomo" <dkomo871@comcast.net> wrote in message
news:mpWdnWlv6Ktc8C7cRVn-qQ@comcast.com...
John M Price PhD wrote:
In article <t4idnQ_QweD5jS7cRVn-2Q@comcast.com> from sci.skeptic you
wrote:
: John M Price PhD wrote:
: > In article <9MGdnf-B3bkNfDDcRVn-sw@comcast.com> from sci.skeptic you
wrote:
: > : </political correctness filter off>
: > : Also, here's a possible explanation for the coevolution of both big
: > : brained men and beautiful women through sexual selection:
: >
: > Is beauty a primary quality?
: >
: It doesn't have to be for sexual selection to work and produce more of
: it. Beauty can indeed be in the eye of the beholder.
Sure, but then 'beauty' isn't being selected, just those traits of the
other individual that the beholder finds as such.
Agreed. I never claimed otherwise. 'Beauty' was just shorthand for a
certain class of phenotypic traits pleasing to the selecting agent.
That doesn't mean that concepts of beauty can't be discussed in a
philosophical manner--once having agreed on certain philosophically
consistent foundational principles. Such as
"Do you see the pair on her!"
"Yo, Mama!"
. . .
Was that from Plato? Or was it Aristotle?
Morons.
Is that from the Book of Moron?
EROS.
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"Assumption is no evidence in my opinion. That's religion."
-- Roadrunner (Talk.Origins 22-Apr-2004)
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| User: "John Wilkins" |
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05 Dec 2004 09:36:15 PM |
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Eros <eros_talk_origins@hotmail.com> wrote:
johnSPAM@wilkins.id.au (John Wilkins) wrote...
dkomo <dkomo871@comcast.net> wrote:
Zachriel wrote:
"dkomo" <dkomo871@comcast.net> wrote in message
news:mpWdnWlv6Ktc8C7cRVn-qQ@comcast.com...
John M Price PhD wrote:
In article <t4idnQ_QweD5jS7cRVn-2Q@comcast.com> from sci.skeptic you
wrote:
: John M Price PhD wrote:
: > In article <9MGdnf-B3bkNfDDcRVn-sw@comcast.com> from
: > sci.skeptic you wrote: : </political correctness filter off>
: > : Also, here's a possible explanation for the coevolution of
: > : both big brained men and beautiful women through sexual
: > : selection:
: >
: > Is beauty a primary quality?
: >
: It doesn't have to be for sexual selection to work and produce
: more of it. Beauty can indeed be in the eye of the beholder.
Sure, but then 'beauty' isn't being selected, just those traits of
the other individual that the beholder finds as such.
Agreed. I never claimed otherwise. 'Beauty' was just shorthand for
a certain class of phenotypic traits pleasing to the selecting
agent.
That doesn't mean that concepts of beauty can't be discussed in a
philosophical manner--once having agreed on certain philosophically
consistent foundational principles. Such as
"Do you see the pair on her!"
"Yo, Mama!"
. . .
Was that from Plato? Or was it Aristotle?
Morons.
Is that from the Book of Moron?
No, it's from the Chronicles of Fezzik.
--
John S. Wilkins
web: www.wilkins.id.au blog: evolvethought.blogspot.com
God cheats
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06 Dec 2004 02:15:33 AM |
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On Mon, 6 Dec 2004 03:36:15 +0000 (UTC), (John
Wilkins) wrote:
Eros <eros_talk_origins@hotmail.com> wrote:
(John Wilkins) wrote...
dkomo <dkomo871@comcast.net> wrote:
Zachriel wrote:
"dkomo" <dkomo871@comcast.net> wrote in message
news:mpWdnWlv6Ktc8C7cRVn-qQ@comcast.com...
John M Price PhD wrote:
In article <t4idnQ_QweD5jS7cRVn-2Q@comcast.com> from sci.skeptic you
wrote:
: John M Price PhD wrote:
: > In article <9MGdnf-B3bkNfDDcRVn-sw@comcast.com> from
: > sci.skeptic you wrote: : </political correctness filter off>
: > : Also, here's a possible explanation for the coevolution of
: > : both big brained men and beautiful women through sexual
: > : selection:
: >
: > Is beauty a primary quality?
: >
: It doesn't have to be for sexual selection to work and produce
: more of it. Beauty can indeed be in the eye of the beholder.
Sure, but then 'beauty' isn't being selected, just those traits of
the other individual that the beholder finds as such.
Agreed. I never claimed otherwise. 'Beauty' was just shorthand for
a certain class of phenotypic traits pleasing to the selecting
agent.
That doesn't mean that concepts of beauty can't be discussed in a
philosophical manner--once having agreed on certain philosophically
consistent foundational principles. Such as
"Do you see the pair on her!"
"Yo, Mama!"
. . .
Was that from Plato? Or was it Aristotle?
Morons.
Is that from the Book of Moron?
No, it's from the Chronicles of Fezzik.
Sicilian:
"Inconceivable!"
Fezzik:
"Why do you use that wqord? I do not think it means what you think it
means."
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| User: "Noelie S. Alito" |
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06 Dec 2004 08:10:08 AM |
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<LisaB@yahoo.com> wrote in message news:iv58r09v30q714o7729530ci54p65cqmi6@4ax.com...
On Mon, 6 Dec 2004 03:36:15 +0000 (UTC), (John
Wilkins) wrote:
Eros <eros_talk_origins@hotmail.com> wrote:
(John Wilkins) wrote...
dkomo <dkomo871@comcast.net> wrote:
Zachriel wrote:
"dkomo" <dkomo871@comcast.net> wrote in message
news:mpWdnWlv6Ktc8C7cRVn-qQ@comcast.com...
John M Price PhD wrote:
In article <t4idnQ_QweD5jS7cRVn-2Q@comcast.com> from sci.skeptic you
wrote:
: John M Price PhD wrote:
: > In article <9MGdnf-B3bkNfDDcRVn-sw@comcast.com> from
: > sci.skeptic you wrote: : </political correctness filter off>
: > : Also, here's a possible explanation for the coevolution of
: > : both big brained men and beautiful women through sexual
: > : selection:
: >
: > Is beauty a primary quality?
: >
: It doesn't have to be for sexual selection to work and produce
: more of it. Beauty can indeed be in the eye of the beholder.
Sure, but then 'beauty' isn't being selected, just those traits of
the other individual that the beholder finds as such.
Agreed. I never claimed otherwise. 'Beauty' was just shorthand for
a certain class of phenotypic traits pleasing to the selecting
agent.
That doesn't mean that concepts of beauty can't be discussed in a
philosophical manner--once having agreed on certain philosophically
consistent foundational principles. Such as
"Do you see the pair on her!"
"Yo, Mama!"
. . .
Was that from Plato? Or was it Aristotle?
Morons.
Is that from the Book of Moron?
No, it's from the Chronicles of Fezzik.
Sicilian:
"Inconceivable!"
Fezzik:
"Why do you use that wqord? I do not think it means what you think it
means."
Aieee! You two! Time for a review:
Wesley (the man in black)
Vizzini (the Sicilian ringleader)
Fezzik (the hippopotamic land mass)
Inigo Montoya (the Spaniard)
Count Rugen (the 6-fingered man)
Prince Humperdinck (overworked royalty)
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| User: "John Wilkins" |
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06 Dec 2004 04:01:53 PM |
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Noelie S. Alito <noelie@deadspam.com> wrote:
<LisaB@yahoo.com> wrote..
On Mon, 6 Dec 2004 03:36:15 +0000 (UTC), (John
Wilkins) wrote:
Eros <eros_talk_origins@hotmail.com> wrote:
(John Wilkins) wrote...
dkomo <dkomo871@comcast.net> wrote:
Zachriel wrote:
"dkomo" <dkomo871@comcast.net> wrote in message
news:mpWdnWlv6Ktc8C7cRVn-qQ@comcast.com...
John M Price PhD wrote:
In article <t4idnQ_QweD5jS7cRVn-2Q@comcast.com> from
sci.skeptic you wrote:
: John M Price PhD wrote:
: > In article <9MGdnf-B3bkNfDDcRVn-sw@comcast.com> from
: > sci.skeptic you wrote: : </political correctness filter off>
: > : Also, here's a possible explanation for the coevolution of
: > : both big brained men and beautiful women through sexual
: > : selection:
: >
: > Is beauty a primary quality?
: >
: It doesn't have to be for sexual selection to work and
: produce more of it. Beauty can indeed be in the eye of the
: beholder.
Sure, but then 'beauty' isn't being selected, just those traits
of the other individual that the beholder finds as such.
Agreed. I never claimed otherwise. 'Beauty' was just shorthand
for a certain class of phenotypic traits pleasing to the
selecting agent.
That doesn't mean that concepts of beauty can't be discussed in
a philosophical manner--once having agreed on certain
philosophically consistent foundational principles. Such as
"Do you see the pair on her!"
"Yo, Mama!"
. . .
Was that from Plato? Or was it Aristotle?
Morons.
Is that from the Book of Moron?
No, it's from the Chronicles of Fezzik.
Sicilian:
"Inconceivable!"
Fezzik:
"Why do you use that wqord? I do not think it means what you think it
means."
Aieee! You two! Time for a review:
Wesley (the man in black)
Vizzini (the Sicilian ringleader)
Fezzik (the hippopotamic land mass)
Inigo Montoya (the Spaniard)
Count Rugen (the 6-fingered man)
Prince Humperdinck (overworked royalty)
*I* know that. But to make the parallel with the "Chronicles of Riddick"
I had to use Fezzik, and besides he's just *writing* the Chronicles.
Inigo is the one who did not think Vizzini meant by that word what that
word meant.
--
John S. Wilkins
web: www.wilkins.id.au blog: evolvethought.blogspot.com
God cheats
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06 Dec 2004 02:17:21 PM |
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In article <iv58r09v30q714o7729530ci54p65cqmi6@4ax.com>,
wrote:
[...]
Sicilian:
"Inconceivable!"
Fezzik:
"Why do you use that word? I do not think it means what you think it
means."
*
A guy who could not get his wife pregnant, and so visited the
doctor:
Doctor: Is your wife unsociable?
Patient: No.
Doctor: Is your wife unapproachable?
Patient: No.
Doctor: Is your wife impregnable?
Patient: No.
Doctor: Is your wife inconceivable?
Patient: No.
Doctor: Is your wife inscrutable?
Patient: No.
Patient: No. Wait! Now I remember!
She's insurmountable!
earle
*
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| User: "Double Felix" |
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05 Dec 2004 04:02:37 PM |
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In article <1god7be.11te7r2k0bu4cN%>,
(John Wilkins) wrote:
dkomo <dkomo871@comcast.net> wrote:
Zachriel wrote:
"dkomo" <dkomo871@comcast.net> wrote in message
news:mpWdnWlv6Ktc8C7cRVn-qQ@comcast.com...
John M Price PhD wrote:
In article <t4idnQ_QweD5jS7cRVn-2Q@comcast.com> from sci.skeptic you
wrote:
: John M Price PhD wrote:
: > In article <9MGdnf-B3bkNfDDcRVn-sw@comcast.com> from sci.skeptic you
wrote:
: > : </political correctness filter off>
: >
: > : Also, here's a possible explanation for the coevolution of both big
: > : brained men and beautiful women through sexual selection:
: >
: > Is beauty a primary quality?
: >
: It doesn't have to be for sexual selection to work and produce more of
: it. Beauty can indeed be in the eye of the beholder.
Sure, but then 'beauty' isn't being selected, just those traits of the
other individual that the beholder finds as such.
Agreed. I never claimed otherwise. 'Beauty' was just shorthand for a
certain class of phenotypic traits pleasing to the selecting agent.
That doesn't mean that concepts of beauty can't be discussed in a
philosophical manner--once having agreed on certain philosophically
consistent foundational principles. Such as
"Do you see the pair on her!"
"Yo, Mama!"
. . .
Was that from Plato? Or was it Aristotle?
Morons.
"Aristotle was NOT Belgian! The central message of Buddhism is NOT
'every man for himself!' And the London Underground is NOT a political
movement. Those are all mistakes, Otto. I looked 'em up."
"What would an intellectual do? What would Plato do?"
"Apologise!"
- Felix
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| User: "John Wilkins" |
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05 Dec 2004 04:10:31 PM |
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Double Felix <nick@SKIPTHESECAPSbackpack.com> wrote:
In article <1god7be.11te7r2k0bu4cN%johnSPAM@wilkins.id.au>,
johnSPAM@wilkins.id.au (John Wilkins) wrote:
dkomo <dkomo871@comcast.net> wrote:
Zachriel wrote:
"dkomo" <dkomo871@comcast.net> wrote in message
news:mpWdnWlv6Ktc8C7cRVn-qQ@comcast.com...
John M Price PhD wrote:
In article <t4idnQ_QweD5jS7cRVn-2Q@comcast.com> from sci.skeptic you
wrote:
: John M Price PhD wrote:
: > In article <9MGdnf-B3bkNfDDcRVn-sw@comcast.com> from
sci.skeptic you wrote:
: > : </political correctness filter off>
: >
: > : Also, here's a possible explanation for the coevolution of
: > : both big brained men and beautiful women through sexual
: > : selection:
: >
: > Is beauty a primary quality?
: >
: It doesn't have to be for sexual selection to work and produce
: more of it. Beauty can indeed be in the eye of the beholder.
Sure, but then 'beauty' isn't being selected, just those traits of
the other individual that the beholder finds as such.
Agreed. I never claimed otherwise. 'Beauty' was just shorthand for
a certain class of phenotypic traits pleasing to the selecting
agent.
That doesn't mean that concepts of beauty can't be discussed in a
philosophical manner--once having agreed on certain philosophically
consistent foundational principles. Such as
"Do you see the pair on her!"
"Yo, Mama!"
. . .
Was that from Plato? Or was it Aristotle?
Morons.
"Aristotle was NOT Belgian! The central message of Buddhism is NOT
'every man for himself!' And the London Underground is NOT a political
movement. Those are all mistakes, Otto. I looked 'em up."
"What would an intellectual do? What would Plato do?"
"Apologise!"
- Felix
"I'm sorry? I can't hear you!"
--
John S. Wilkins
web: www.wilkins.id.au blog: evolvethought.blogspot.com
God cheats
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| User: "Double Felix" |
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| Title: Re: Interview: The Man Behind the Meme |
05 Dec 2004 04:29:14 PM |
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In article <1god8r4.1hi1cfbl6dhctN%>,
(John Wilkins) wrote:
Double Felix <nick@SKIPTHESECAPSbackpack.com> wrote:
In article <1god7be.11te7r2k0bu4cN% >,
(John Wilkins) wrote:
dkomo <dkomo871@comcast.net> wrote:
Zachriel wrote:
"dkomo" <dkomo871@comcast.net> wrote in message
news:mpWdnWlv6Ktc8C7cRVn-qQ@comcast.com...
John M Price PhD wrote:
In article <t4idnQ_QweD5jS7cRVn-2Q@comcast.com> from sci.skeptic you
wrote:
: John M Price PhD wrote:
: > In article <9MGdnf-B3bkNfDDcRVn-sw@comcast.com> from
sci.skeptic you wrote:
: > : </political correctness filter off>
: >
: > : Also, here's a possible explanation for the coevolution of
: > : both big brained men and beautiful women through sexual
: > : selection:
: >
: > Is beauty a primary quality?
: >
: It doesn't have to be for sexual selection to work and produce
: more of it. Beauty can indeed be in the eye of the beholder.
Sure, but then 'beauty' isn't being selected, just those traits of
the other individual that the beholder finds as such.
Agreed. I never claimed otherwise. 'Beauty' was just shorthand for
a certain class of phenotypic traits pleasing to the selecting
agent.
That doesn't mean that concepts of beauty can't be discussed in a
philosophical manner--once having agreed on certain philosophically
consistent foundational principles. Such as
"Do you see the pair on her!"
"Yo, Mama!"
. . .
Was that from Plato? Or was it Aristotle?
Morons.
"Aristotle was NOT Belgian! The central message of Buddhism is NOT
'every man for himself!' And the London Underground is NOT a political
movement. Those are all mistakes, Otto. I looked 'em up."
"What would an intellectual do? What would Plato do?"
"Apologise!"
- Felix
"I'm sorry? I can't hear you!"
"Iste mundus furibundus... oops, forgot. You don't speak Latin."
- Felis
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| User: "dkomo" |
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| Title: Re: Interview: The Man Behind the Meme |
05 Dec 2004 05:48:01 PM |
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John Wilkins wrote:
dkomo <dkomo871@comcast.net> wrote:
Zachriel wrote:
"dkomo" <dkomo871@comcast.net> wrote in message
news:mpWdnWlv6Ktc8C7cRVn-qQ@comcast.com...
John M Price PhD wrote:
In article <t4idnQ_QweD5jS7cRVn-2Q@comcast.com> from sci.skeptic you
wrote:
: John M Price PhD wrote:
: > In article <9MGdnf-B3bkNfDDcRVn-sw@comcast.com> from sci.skeptic you
wrote:
: > : </political correctness filter off>
: >
: > : Also, here's a possible explanation for the coevolution of both big
: > : brained men and beautiful women through sexual selection:
: >
: > Is beauty a primary quality?
: >
: It doesn't have to be for sexual selection to work and produce more of
: it. Beauty can indeed be in the eye of the beholder.
Sure, but then 'beauty' isn't being selected, just those traits of the
other individual that the beholder finds as such.
Agreed. I never claimed otherwise. 'Beauty' was just shorthand for a
certain class of phenotypic traits pleasing to the selecting agent.
That doesn't mean that concepts of beauty can't be discussed in a
philosophical manner--once having agreed on certain philosophically
consistent foundational principles. Such as
"Do you see the pair on her!"
"Yo, Mama!"
. . .
Was that from Plato? Or was it Aristotle?
Morons.
Actually, I knew it was Plato all along. He was the one that wrote his
stuff in dialog form.
--dkomo@cris.com
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| User: "John Wilkins" |
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| Title: Re: Interview: The Man Behind the Meme |
05 Dec 2004 05:58:11 PM |
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dkomo <dkomo871@comcast.net> wrote:
John Wilkins wrote:
dkomo <dkomo871@comcast.net> wrote:
Zachriel wrote:
"dkomo" <dkomo871@comcast.net> wrote in message
news:mpWdnWlv6Ktc8C7cRVn-qQ@comcast.com...
John M Price PhD wrote:
In article <t4idnQ_QweD5jS7cRVn-2Q@comcast.com> from sci.skeptic you
wrote:
: John M Price PhD wrote:
: > In article <9MGdnf-B3bkNfDDcRVn-sw@comcast.com> from sci.skeptic you
wrote:
: > : </political correctness filter off>
: >
: > : Also, here's a possible explanation for the coevolution of both big
: > : brained men and beautiful women through sexual selection:
: >
: > Is beauty a primary quality?
: >
: It doesn't have to be for sexual selection to work and produce more of
: it. Beauty can indeed be in the eye of the beholder.
Sure, but then 'beauty' isn't being selected, just those traits of the
other individual that the beholder finds as such.
Agreed. I never claimed otherwise. 'Beauty' was just shorthand for a
certain class of phenotypic traits pleasing to the selecting agent.
That doesn't mean that concepts of beauty can't be discussed in a
philosophical manner--once having agreed on certain philosophically
consistent foundational principles. Such as
"Do you see the pair on her!"
"Yo, Mama!"
. . .
Was that from Plato? Or was it Aristotle?
Morons.
Actually, I knew it was Plato all along. He was the one that wrote his
stuff in dialog form.
I think it's in the Drinking Party (Symposium).
--
John S. Wilkins
web: www.wilkins.id.au blog: evolvethought.blogspot.com
God cheats
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| User: "Dubh Ghall" |
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| Title: Re: Interview: The Man Behind the Meme |
05 Dec 2004 10:58:36 AM |
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On Sun, 5 Dec 2004 13:27:51 +0000 (UTC), dkomo <dkomo871@comcast.net> wrote:
John M Price PhD wrote:
In article <9MGdnf-B3bkNfDDcRVn-sw@comcast.com> from sci.skeptic you wrote:
: </political correctness filter off>
: Also, here's a possible explanation for the coevolution of both big
: brained men and beautiful women through sexual selection:
Is beauty a primary quality?
It doesn't have to be for sexual selection to work and produce more of
it. Beauty can indeed be in the eye of the beholder.
Or, perhaps more correctly, the "nose" of the beholder.
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