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"Therion Ware" |
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20 Dec 2004 01:09:26 AM |
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Interview With Anthony Flew (Sunday Times, 19 Dec) |
.... can be found here
http://www.timesonline.co.uk/printFriendly/0,,1-525-1408276,00.html
In the beginning there was something
His atheist chums aren’t happy, but Antony Flew tells Stuart Wavell
why he now thinks there was a higher power at work in the creation of
the universe
The story flashed around the world: leading atheist finds God. With
equal alacrity, the wrath of unbelievers has rebounded on Antony Flew,
the philosophy professor responsible for this heresy, leaving him
shaken and not very philosophical.
I have been denounced by my fellow unbelievers for stupidity,
betrayal, senility and everything you could think of,” he says, his
voice rising with emotion. “And none of them have read a word that I
have ever written.
More at the link.
(relatively painless sign up required, IIRC).
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| User: "DJ Nozem" |
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| Title: Re: Interview With Anthony Flew (Sunday Times, 19 Dec) |
20 Dec 2004 05:26:04 AM |
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On Mon, 20 Dec 2004 07:09:26 +0000, Therion Ware
<autodelete@city-of-dis.com> wrote:
... can be found here
http://www.timesonline.co.uk/printFriendly/0,,1-525-1408276,00.html
In the beginning there was something
His atheist chums aren’t happy, but Antony Flew tells Stuart Wavell
why he now thinks there was a higher power at work in the creation of
the universe
The story flashed around the world: leading atheist finds God. With
equal alacrity, the wrath of unbelievers has rebounded on Antony Flew,
the philosophy professor responsible for this heresy, leaving him
shaken and not very philosophical.
I have been denounced by my fellow unbelievers for stupidity,
betrayal, senility and everything you could think of,” he says, his
voice rising with emotion. “And none of them have read a word that I
have ever written.
Flew is fast on track to become a true believer. He's already
developing a persecution complex.
--
We give meaning to each other
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| User: "Tak" |
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| Title: Re: Interview With Anthony Flew (Sunday Times, 19 Dec) |
20 Dec 2004 12:33:30 PM |
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On Mon, 20 Dec 2004 07:09:26 +0000, Therion Ware
<autodelete@city-of-dis.com> wrote:
http://www.rationalistinternational.net/
Heres where he says hes still an athesit, no signup required at
al.........
Tak
a#344
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| User: "Ian Braidwood" |
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| Title: Re: Interview With Anthony Flew (Sunday Times, 19 Dec) |
20 Dec 2004 01:33:55 AM |
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Therion Ware wrote:
... can be found here
http://www.timesonline.co.uk/printFriendly/0,,1-525-1408276,00.html
In the beginning there was something
His atheist chums aren't happy, but Antony Flew tells Stuart Wavell
why he now thinks there was a higher power at work in the creation of
the universe
The story flashed around the world: leading atheist finds God. With
equal alacrity, the wrath of unbelievers has rebounded on Antony
Flew,
the philosophy professor responsible for this heresy, leaving him
shaken and not very philosophical.
I have been denounced by my fellow unbelievers for stupidity,
betrayal, senility and everything you could think of," he says, his
voice rising with emotion. "And none of them have read a word that
I
have ever written.
More at the link.
(relatively painless sign up required, IIRC).
Thanks Therion.
Now that I've read Dr Flew's comments in more detail, I feel safe in
ignoring them.
Regards,
(-: Ian :-)
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| User: "Therion Ware" |
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| Title: Re: Interview With Anthony Flew (Sunday Times, 19 Dec) |
20 Dec 2004 02:10:35 AM |
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On 19 Dec 2004 23:33:55 -0800 in alt.atheism, Ian Braidwood ("Ian
Braidwood" <diri.gini@virgin.net>) said, directing the reply to
alt.atheism
Therion Ware wrote:
... can be found here
http://www.timesonline.co.uk/printFriendly/0,,1-525-1408276,00.html
In the beginning there was something
His atheist chums aren't happy, but Antony Flew tells Stuart Wavell
why he now thinks there was a higher power at work in the creation of
the universe
The story flashed around the world: leading atheist finds God. With
equal alacrity, the wrath of unbelievers has rebounded on Antony
Flew,
the philosophy professor responsible for this heresy, leaving him
shaken and not very philosophical.
I have been denounced by my fellow unbelievers for stupidity,
betrayal, senility and everything you could think of," he says, his
voice rising with emotion. "And none of them have read a word that
I
have ever written.
More at the link.
(relatively painless sign up required, IIRC).
Thanks Therion.
Now that I've read Dr Flew's comments in more detail, I feel safe in
ignoring them.
Yes, he does seem a little disconnected, doesn't he? Oh, did you see
that Channel 4 program last night - "What we still don't know" with
Martin Rees (astronomer royal)? It was trying to push the deist
position taking in everything from the anthropic principle to Nick
Bostrom's "simulation argument". Personally I think it made a hopeless
hash of it, and ignored more prosaic explanations.
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| User: "Enkidu" |
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| Title: Re: Interview With Anthony Flew (Sunday Times, 19 Dec) |
20 Dec 2004 10:58:22 AM |
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Therion Ware <autodelete@city-of-dis.com> wrote in
news:t02ds0tibfu8mf02dgor2gq6kjbst7v71f@4ax.com:
On 19 Dec 2004 23:33:55 -0800 in alt.atheism, Ian Braidwood ("Ian
Braidwood" <diri.gini@virgin.net>) said, directing the reply to
alt.atheism
Therion Ware wrote:
... can be found here
http://www.timesonline.co.uk/printFriendly/0,,1-525-1408276,00.html
In the beginning there was something
His atheist chums aren't happy, but Antony Flew tells Stuart Wavell
why he now thinks there was a higher power at work in the creation of
the universe
The story flashed around the world: leading atheist finds God. With
equal alacrity, the wrath of unbelievers has rebounded on Antony
Flew,
the philosophy professor responsible for this heresy, leaving him
shaken and not very philosophical.
I have been denounced by my fellow unbelievers for stupidity,
betrayal, senility and everything you could think of," he says, his
voice rising with emotion. "And none of them have read a word that
I
have ever written.
More at the link.
(relatively painless sign up required, IIRC).
Thanks Therion.
Now that I've read Dr Flew's comments in more detail, I feel safe in
ignoring them.
Yes, he does seem a little disconnected, doesn't he? Oh, did you see
that Channel 4 program last night - "What we still don't know" with
Martin Rees (astronomer royal)? It was trying to push the deist
position taking in everything from the anthropic principle to Nick
Bostrom's "simulation argument". Personally I think it made a hopeless
hash of it, and ignored more prosaic explanations.
Which episode is that? I have episode one and two on HD. How many in
the series?
--
Enkidu
Stuck in the US, the original "vast wasteland" of television.
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| User: "Ian Braidwood" |
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| Title: Re: Interview With Anthony Flew (Sunday Times, 19 Dec) |
21 Dec 2004 05:23:24 AM |
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Therion Ware wrote:
On 19 Dec 2004 23:33:55 -0800 in alt.atheism, Ian Braidwood ("Ian
Braidwood" <diri.gini@virgin.net>) said, directing the reply to
alt.atheism
Yes, he does seem a little disconnected, doesn't he? Oh, did you see
that Channel 4 program last night - "What we still don't know" with
Martin Rees (astronomer royal)?
Sorry, I got rid of my TV about 5 or 6 years ago, because there was too
much Big Brother and not enough Equinox.
It was trying to push the deist
position taking in everything from the anthropic principle to Nick
Bostrom's "simulation argument". Personally I think it made a
hopeless
hash of it, and ignored more prosaic explanations.
Unfortunately they do. After all, if you were making a programme about
ghosts, it would be a bit of a let down if it turned out that the
strange noises in the house were a pigeon trapped in the chimney. Think
of the advertisers.
I'm affraid TV is too melodramatic a medium for truth to be anything
but a minority taste.
When I have time for broadcast media, I usually stick with Radio 4,
though _not_ The Archers (Urrrghhhh!) :-)
Regards,
(-: Ian :-)
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| User: "Therion Ware" |
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| Title: Re: Interview With Anthony Flew (Sunday Times, 19 Dec) |
21 Dec 2004 06:56:28 AM |
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On 21 Dec 2004 03:23:24 -0800 in alt.atheism, Ian Braidwood ("Ian
Braidwood" <diri.gini@virgin.net>) said, directing the reply to
alt.atheism
Therion Ware wrote:
On 19 Dec 2004 23:33:55 -0800 in alt.atheism, Ian Braidwood ("Ian
Braidwood" <diri.gini@virgin.net>) said, directing the reply to
alt.atheism
Yes, he does seem a little disconnected, doesn't he? Oh, did you see
that Channel 4 program last night - "What we still don't know" with
Martin Rees (astronomer royal)?
Sorry, I got rid of my TV about 5 or 6 years ago, because there was too
much Big Brother and not enough Equinox.
It was trying to push the deist
position taking in everything from the anthropic principle to Nick
Bostrom's "simulation argument". Personally I think it made a hopeless
hash of it, and ignored more prosaic explanations.
Unfortunately they do. After all, if you were making a programme about
ghosts, it would be a bit of a let down if it turned out that the
strange noises in the house were a pigeon trapped in the chimney. Think
of the advertisers.
I suppose. On the other hand BBC4 has done some good stuff, like
Millers guide to atheism, and some others, but generally speaking, I
think you're right - TV isn't well suited to long complex positions at
least in terms of the way that the people who make TV see it. Mind
you, that's not - IMO - that it can't be, but just that it isn't.
I'm afraid TV is too melodramatic a medium for truth to be anything
but a minority taste.
When I have time for broadcast media, I usually stick with Radio 4,
though _not_ The Archers (Urrrghhhh!) :-)
Oh I dunno, it's getting rather exciting at the moment! Mind you, I
always wanted to run away with Clarry Grundy....
--
"Do Unto Others As You Would Have Them Do Unto You."
- Attrib: Pauline Reage.
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| User: "Ian Braidwood" |
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| Title: Re: Interview With Anthony Flew (Sunday Times, 19 Dec) |
22 Dec 2004 03:52:56 AM |
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Therion Ware wrote:
I suppose. On the other hand BBC4 has done some good stuff, like
Millers guide to atheism, and some others, but generally speaking, I
think you're right - TV isn't well suited to long complex positions
at
least in terms of the way that the people who make TV see it. Mind
you, that's not - IMO - that it can't be, but just that it isn't.
Well, I get the impression that people who produce television
programmes have a low opinion of their average viewer and that the
success of programmes like I'm a Celebrity, Get Me out of Here!
supports their view. However, the popularity of these shows does seem
to decline half way through the second series, which seems to indicate
these formats don't hold the attention.
The trouble with these programmes is that they're cheap and so not
quite as risky for a small production company - in comparison that is,
with a drama series, documentary series (do you remember World in
Action?) or a series of short plays.
I'm afraid TV is too melodramatic a medium for truth to be anything
but a minority taste.
When I have time for broadcast media, I usually stick with Radio 4,
though _not_ The Archers (Urrrghhhh!) :-)
Oh I dunno, it's getting rather exciting at the moment! Mind you, I
always wanted to run away with Clarry Grundy....
Never trust a woman when you can't see her eyes. :-)
(-: Ian :-)
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