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User: "J Young"
Date: 30 May 2007 11:28:34 PM
Object: Iowa State Promotes Atheist Professor Who Equates Bible with Mein Kampf While Denying Tenure to ID Astronomer
http://www.evolutionnews.org/2007/05/iowa_state_promotes_atheist_pr.html
While Iowa State University denied tenure this spring to gifted pro-
ID astronomer Guillermo Gonzalez, it turns out that it decided at the
same time to promote to full professor outspoken atheist Hector
Avalos, religious studies professor and faculty adviser to the ISU
Atheist and Agnostic Society. Avalos has led the charge against
Gonzalez and intelligent design on ISU's campus, helping to draft a
2005 petition denouncing intelligent design that ultimately was signed
by more than 120 ISU faculty.
Apparently ISU professors who are horrified by the supposed mixing of
metaphysics and scholarship on the part of ID proponents have no
qualms about supporting Avalos's explicit anti-religious propaganda,
including his effort to equate the Bible with Hitler's Mein Kampf (for
more on Avalos's view of the Bible, see below). It is worth pointing
out that ISU issued a press release a few years ago boasting about
Avalos's appointment as the executive director of a group affiliated
with the Council for Secular Humanism that seeks to debunk religion.
Avalos's promotion to full professor comes just in time for the
publication of his new book on the Bible later this month. According
to the publisher's description, Avalos argues in the book
that our world is best served by leaving the Bible as a relic of an
ancient civilization instead of the "living" document most religionist
scholars believe it should be. He urges his colleagues to concentrate
on educating the broader society to recognize the irrelevance and even
violent effects of the Bible in modern life.
Just how extreme Avalos's view of the Bible is can be seen in his
previous book, Fighting Words: The Origins of Religious Violence
(2005), in which he repeatedly equates the Bible with Hitler's Mein
Kampf. Indeed, in a section of the book titled "Scripture: A Zero-
Tolerance Argument," Avalos actually suggests that the Bible is worse
than Mein Kampf:
In fact, Mein Kampf does not contain a single explicit command for
genocide equivalent to those found in the Hebrew Bible... Thus, if all
of Mein Kampf is to be rejected simply for its implied genocidal
policies, we should certainly reject all of the Bible for some of its
explicit and blatant genocidal policies. [p. 363]
At other points, Avalos appears to blame Jewish people for Hitler's
attempt to exterminate them, locating the origins of the Holocaust in
what he calls "Hebrew racism." Consider the following passages:
"The purpose here is to show that the Nazi policy of genocide was
based on premises quite similar to those in the Hebrew Bible." [p.
316]
"the Nazi Holocaust represents the synthesis of attitudes found in
both the New Testament and the Hebrew scriptures." [p. 318]
"[Scholars Katz and Wolpoff] fail to see the parallels between certain
practices promulgated in the Hebrew Bible itself. Indeed, the supreme
irony of the Holocaust is that the genocidal policies first
systematically enunciated in the Hebrew scriptures were reversed by
the Nazis. Nazi ideology simply had better technology to do what
biblical authors had said they would do to their enemies." [pp.
318-319]
"Hitler saw himself as trying to counteract Hebrew racism, which he
saw as the main counterpart and enemy of the German race." [p. 319]
As if these statements were not enough, Prof. Avalos has equated
creationism with Nazism, denounced religion-inspired acts of love, and
even suggested that we "eliminate religion from human life
altogether":
"Nazi ideology is similar to creationist ideology, which believes that
scientific findings support the biblical stories of Creation and the
Flood." [p. 318]
"any act of love based on religion is immoral." [p. 369]
"Mother Teresa... advocated policies that helped to generate the very
pool of poor people she was attempting to help. Religious beliefs are
largely responsible for arguments against contraception, which helps
to perpetuate poverty and conflicts over scarce resources. So in the
end, did Mother Teresa help more people than were harmed by her
religious belief?" [p. 370]
"until the Abrahamic religions overthrow the master-slave model in
which they were born, we see little progress to be made. Since all
religious beliefs are ultimately unverifiable, the greatest scarce
resource of all is verifiability. And one way to remedy or minimize
unverifiability in any decision-making process, especially that
leading to violence, is to eliminate religion from human life
altogether." [p. 371, emphasis added]
Iowa taxpayers can be relieved to know that ISU is making sure their
tax dollars will be spent on worthy scholars like Prof. Avalos rather
than disreputable astronomers like Dr. Gonzalez.
.

User: "BTR1701"

Title: Re: Iowa State Promotes Atheist Professor Who Equates Bible with Mein Kampf While Denying Tenure to ID Astronomer 31 May 2007 05:26:13 AM
In article <1180585714.872353.231470@q66g2000hsg.googlegroups.com>,
J Young <youngopinions@aol.com> wrote:

Avalos actually suggests that the Bible is worse
than Mein Kampf:

In fact, Mein Kampf does not contain a single explicit command for
genocide equivalent to those found in the Hebrew Bible... Thus, if all
of Mein Kampf is to be rejected simply for its implied genocidal
policies, we should certainly reject all of the Bible for some of its
explicit and blatant genocidal policies. [p. 363]

Well, it's true that the bible is full of violence and the god portrayed
in it is a bloodthirsty psychopathic narcissist. That much can't be
denied. It's right there on the pages in black-and-white.
.
User: "Don Martin"

Title: Re: Iowa State Promotes Atheist Professor Who Equates Bible with Mein Kampf While Denying Tenure to ID Astronomer 31 May 2007 07:26:54 AM
On May 31, 6:26 am, BTR1701 <btr1...@ix.netcom.com> wrote:

In article <1180585714.872353.231...@q66g2000hsg.googlegroups.com>,
J Young <youngopini...@aol.com> wrote:

Avalos actually suggests that the Bible is worse
than Mein Kampf:


In fact, Mein Kampf does not contain a single explicit command for
genocide equivalent to those found in the Hebrew Bible... Thus, if all
of Mein Kampf is to be rejected simply for its implied genocidal
policies, we should certainly reject all of the Bible for some of its
explicit and blatant genocidal policies. [p. 363]


Well, it's true that the bible is full of violence and the god portrayed
in it is a bloodthirsty psychopathic narcissist. That much can't be
denied. It's right there on the pages in black-and-white.

And by denying tenure to an ID anything, ISU demonstrates that its
business is education, not indoctrination.
.
User: "guyjin"

Title: Re: Iowa State Promotes Atheist Professor Who Equates Bible with Mein Kampf While Denying Tenure to ID Astronomer 31 May 2007 11:25:27 AM
On May 31, 7:26 am, Don Martin <drdonmar...@comcast.net> wrote:

And by denying tenure to an ID anything, ISU demonstrates that its
business is education, not indoctrination.

I'm slightly dissapointed that they even keep someone like that around
at all.
.



User: "Doc Smartass"

Title: Re: Iowa State Promotes Atheist Professor Who Equates Bible with Mein Kampf While Denying Tenure to ID Astronomer 31 May 2007 05:10:10 PM
J Young <youngopinions@aol.com> wrote in news:1180585714.872353.231470
@q66g2000hsg.googlegroups.com:
<snippity>

gifted pro-ID astronomer Guillermo Gonzalez

"gifted" meaning "rode the short bus and wore a helmet in science class"
"pro-ID" meaning "fucking idiot who should be a janitor, not a teacher"
"astronomer" meaning "any idiot can look at the sky at night"
"Guillermo Gonzalez" as in "all of the above"
Just another religious hack trying to pollute the halls of intellect.
Nothing new.
--
Doc Smartass, BAAWA Knight of Heckling
aa # 1939
Help Prevent Projectile Stupidity
Duct-Tape a Fundie's Mouth Shut Today!
.

User: "Bill Dunkenfield"

Title: Re: Iowa State Promotes Atheist Professor Who Equates Bible with MeinKampf While Denying Tenure to ID Astronomer 31 May 2007 11:14:42 AM
J Young wrote:


http://www.evolutionnews.org/2007/05/iowa_state_promotes_atheist_pr.html

While Iowa State University denied tenure this spring to gifted pro-
ID astronomer Guillermo Gonzalez, it turns out that it decided at the
same time to promote to full professor outspoken atheist Hector
Avalos, religious studies professor and faculty adviser to the ISU
Atheist and Agnostic Society. Avalos has led the charge against
Gonzalez and intelligent design on ISU's campus, helping to draft a
2005 petition denouncing intelligent design that ultimately was signed
by more than 120 ISU faculty.

At least Iowa is not as ignorant as Texas.
JAM
.

User: "Al Klein"

Title: Re: Iowa State Promotes Atheist Professor Who Equates Bible with Mein Kampf While Denying Tenure to ID Astronomer 31 May 2007 07:51:16 AM
On 30 May 2007 21:28:34 -0700, J Young <youngopinions@aol.com> wrote:

Apparently ISU professors who are horrified by the supposed mixing of
metaphysics and scholarship on the part of ID proponents have no
qualms about supporting Avalos's explicit anti-religious propaganda

What part of "professors who are horrified by the supposed mixing of
metaphysics and scholarship" ... "have no qualms about supporting
Avalos's explicit anti-"mixing metaphysics and scholarship"
"propaganda" confuses you?
.

User: "Parsifal"

Title: Re: Iowa State Promotes Atheist Professor Who Equates Bible with Mein Kampf While Denying Tenure to ID Astronomer 31 May 2007 12:35:27 AM
On 31 mai, 06:28, J Young <youngopini...@aol.com> wrote:

http://www.evolutionnews.org/2007/05/iowa_state_promotes_atheist_pr.html

"Evolution news"? Really?
How low can you sink, J Young?


While Iowa State University denied tenure this spring to gifted pro-
ID astronomer Guillermo Gonzalez, it turns out that it decided at the
same time to promote to full professor outspoken atheist Hector
Avalos, religious studies professor and faculty adviser to the ISU
Atheist and Agnostic Society. Avalos has led the charge against
Gonzalez and intelligent design on ISU's campus, helping to draft a
2005 petition denouncing intelligent design that ultimately was signed
by more than 120 ISU faculty.

What happened to freedom of speach?
Oh, that's right, you're all for it as long as it doesn't concern your
sect...
.

User: "Martin Phipps"

Title: Bible promotes murder (was Re: Iowa State Promotes Atheist Professor Who Equates Bible with Mein Kampf While Denying Tenure to ID Astronomer 31 May 2007 12:29:56 AM
http://www.evilbible.com/Murder.htm
Murder in the Bible
The act of murder is rampant in the Bible. In much of the Bible,
especially the Old Testament, there are laws that command that people
be killed for absurd reasons such as working on the Sabbath, being
gay, cursing your parents, or not being a virgin on your wedding
night. In addition to these crazy and immoral laws, there are plenty
of examples of God's irrationality by his direct killing of many
people for reasons that defy any rational explanation such as killing
children who make fun of bald people, and the killing of a man who
tried to keep the ark of God from falling during transport. There are
also countless examples of mass murders commanded by God, including
the murder of women, infants, and children.
The following passages are a very small percentage of the total
passages approving of murder in the Bible. They are divided here into
three parts: 1) Capital Punishment Crimes, 2) God's Murders for Stupid
Reasons, 3) Murdering Children, and 4) Miscellaneous Murders. This
list is long, but it barely scratches the surface of all the murders
approved of in the Bible.
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
1) Capital Punishment Crimes:
Kill People Who Don't Listen to Priests
Anyone arrogant enough to reject the verdict of the judge or of
the priest who represents the LORD your God must be put to death.
Such evil must be purged from Israel. (Deuteronomy 17:12 NLT)
Kill Witches
You should not let a sorceress live. (Exodus 22:17 NAB)
Kill Homosexuals
"If a man lies with a male as with a women, both of them shall be
put to death for their abominable deed; they have forfeited their
lives." (Leviticus 20:13 NAB)
Kill Fortunetellers
A man or a woman who acts as a medium or fortuneteller shall be
put to death by stoning; they have no one but themselves to blame for
their death. (Leviticus 20:27 NAB)
Death for Hitting Dad
Whoever strikes his father or mother shall be put to death.
(Exodus 21:15 NAB)
Death for Cursing Parents
1) If one curses his father or mother, his lamp will go out at the
coming of darkness. (Proverbs 20:20 NAB)
2) All who curse their father or mother must be put to death.
They are guilty of a capital offense. (Leviticus 20:9 NLT)
Death for Adultery
If a man commits adultery with another man's wife, both the man
and the woman must be put to death. (Leviticus 20:10 NLT)
Death for Fornication
A priest's daughter who loses her honor by committing fornication
and thereby dishonors her father also, shall be burned to death.
(Leviticus 21:9 NAB)
Death to Followers of Other Religions
Whoever sacrifices to any god, except the Lord alone, shall be
doomed. (Exodus 22:19 NAB)
Kill Nonbelievers
They entered into a covenant to seek the Lord, the God of their
fathers, with all their heart and soul; and everyone who would not
seek the Lord, the God of Israel, was to be put to death, whether
small or great, whether man or woman. (2 Chronicles 15:12-13 NAB)
Kill False Prophets
If a man still prophesies, his parents, father and mother, shall
say to him, "You shall not live, because you have spoken a lie in the
name of the Lord." When he prophesies, his parents, father and
mother, shall thrust him through. (Zechariah 13:3 NAB)
Kill the Entire Town if One Person Worships Another God
Suppose you hear in one of the towns the LORD your God is giving
you that some worthless rabble among you have led their fellow
citizens astray by encouraging them to worship foreign gods. In such
cases, you must examine the facts carefully. If you find it is true
and can prove that such a detestable act has occurred among you, you
must attack that town and completely destroy all its inhabitants, as
well as all the livestock. Then you must pile all the plunder in the
middle of the street and burn it. Put the entire town to the torch as
a burnt offering to the LORD your God. That town must remain a ruin
forever; it may never be rebuilt. Keep none of the plunder that has
been set apart for destruction. Then the LORD will turn from his
fierce anger and be merciful to you. He will have compassion on you
and make you a great nation, just as he solemnly promised your
ancestors. "The LORD your God will be merciful only if you obey him
and keep all the commands I am giving you today, doing what is
pleasing to him." (Deuteronomy 13:13-19 NLT)
Kill Women Who Are Not Virgins On Their Wedding Night
But if this charge is true (that she wasn't a virgin on her
wedding night), and evidence of the girls virginity is not found, they
shall bring the girl to the entrance of her fathers house and there
her townsman shall stone her to death, because she committed a crime
against Israel by her unchasteness in her father's house. Thus shall
you purge the evil from your midst. (Deuteronomy 22:20-21 NAB)
Kill Followers of Other Religions.
1) If your own full brother, or your son or daughter, or your
beloved wife, or you intimate friend, entices you secretly to serve
other gods, whom you and your fathers have not known, gods of any
other nations, near at hand or far away, from one end of the earth to
the other: do not yield to him or listen to him, nor look with pity
upon him, to spare or shield him, but kill him. Your hand shall be
the first raised to slay him; the rest of the people shall join in
with you. You shall stone him to death, because he sought to lead you
astray from the Lord, your God, who brought you out of the land of
Egypt, that place of slavery. And all Israel, hearing of this, shall
fear and never do such evil as this in your midst. (Deuteronomy
13:7-12 NAB)
2) Suppose a man or woman among you, in one of your towns that the
LORD your God is giving you, has done evil in the sight of the LORD
your God and has violated the covenant by serving other gods or by
worshiping the sun, the moon, or any of the forces of heaven, which I
have strictly forbidden. When you hear about it, investigate the
matter thoroughly. If it is true that this detestable thing has been
done in Israel, then that man or woman must be taken to the gates of
the town and stoned to death. (Deuteronomy 17:2-5 NLT)
Death for Blasphemy
One day a man who had an Israelite mother and an Egyptian father
got into a fight with one of the Israelite men. During the fight,
this son of an Israelite woman blasphemed the LORD's name. So the man
was brought to Moses for judgment. His mother's name was Shelomith.
She was the daughter of Dibri of the tribe of Dan. They put the man
in custody until the LORD's will in the matter should become clear.
Then the LORD said to Moses, "Take the blasphemer outside the camp,
and tell all those who heard him to lay their hands on his head. Then
let the entire community stone him to death. Say to the people of
Israel: Those who blaspheme God will suffer the consequences of their
guilt and be punished. Anyone who blasphemes the LORD's name must be
stoned to death by the whole community of Israel. Any Israelite or
foreigner among you who blasphemes the LORD's name will surely die.
(Leviticus 24:10-16 NLT)
Kill False Prophets
1) Suppose there are prophets among you, or those who have dreams
about the future, and they promise you signs or miracles, and the
predicted signs or miracles take place. If the prophets then say,
'Come, let us worship the gods of foreign nations,' do not listen to
them. The LORD your God is testing you to see if you love him with
all your heart and soul. Serve only the LORD your God and fear him
alone. Obey his commands, listen to his voice, and cling to him. The
false prophets or dreamers who try to lead you astray must be put to
death, for they encourage rebellion against the LORD your God, who
brought you out of slavery in the land of Egypt. Since they try to
keep you from following the LORD your God, you must execute them to
remove the evil from among you. (Deuteronomy 13:1-5 NLT)
2) But any prophet who claims to give a message from another god
or who falsely claims to speak for me must die.' You may wonder, 'How
will we know whether the prophecy is from the LORD or not?' If the
prophet predicts something in the LORD's name and it does not happen,
the LORD did not give the message. That prophet has spoken on his own
and need not be feared. (Deuteronomy 18:20-22 NLT)
Infidels and Gays Should Die
So God let them go ahead and do whatever shameful things their
hearts desired. As a result, they did vile and degrading things with
each other's bodies. Instead of believing what they knew was the
truth about God, they deliberately chose to believe lies. So they
worshiped the things God made but not the Creator himself, who is to
be praised forever. Amen. That is why God abandoned them to their
shameful desires. Even the women turned against the natural way to
have sex and instead indulged in sex with each other. And the men,
instead of having normal sexual relationships with women, burned with
lust for each other. Men did shameful things with other men and, as a
result, suffered within themselves the penalty they so richly
deserved. When they refused to acknowledge God, he abandoned them to
their evil minds and let them do things that should never be done.
Their lives became full of every kind of wickedness, sin, greed, hate,
envy, murder, fighting, deception, malicious behavior, and gossip.
They are backstabbers, haters of God, insolent, proud, and boastful.
They are forever inventing new ways of sinning and are disobedient to
their parents. They refuse to understand, break their promises, and
are heartless and unforgiving. They are fully aware of God's death
penalty for those who do these things, yet they go right ahead and do
them anyway. And, worse yet, they encourage others to do them, too.
(Romans 1:24-32 NLT)
Kill Anyone who Approaches the Tabernacle
For the LORD had said to Moses, 'Exempt the tribe of Levi from the
census; do not include them when you count the rest of the
Israelites. You must put the Levites in charge of the Tabernacle of
the Covenant, along with its furnishings and equipment. They must
carry the Tabernacle and its equipment as you travel, and they must
care for it and camp around it. Whenever the Tabernacle is moved, the
Levites will take it down and set it up again. Anyone else who goes
too near the Tabernacle will be executed.' (Numbers 1:48-51 NLT)
Kill People for Working on the Sabbath
The LORD then gave these further instructions to Moses: 'Tell the
people of Israel to keep my Sabbath day, for the Sabbath is a sign of
the covenant between me and you forever. It helps you to remember
that I am the LORD, who makes you holy. Yes, keep the Sabbath day,
for it is holy. Anyone who desecrates it must die; anyone who works
on that day will be cut off from the community. Work six days only,
but the seventh day must be a day of total rest. I repeat: Because
the LORD considers it a holy day, anyone who works on the Sabbath must
be put to death.' (Exodus 31:12-15 NLT)
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2) God's Murders for Stupid Reasons:
Kill Brats
From there Elisha went up to Bethel. While he was on his way,
some small boys came out of the city and jeered at him. "Go up
baldhead," they shouted, "go up baldhead!" The prophet turned and saw
them, and he cursed them in the name of the Lord. Then two shebears
came out of the woods and tore forty two of the children to pieces.
(2 Kings 2:23-24 NAB)
God Kills the Curious
And he smote of the men of Beth-shemesh, because they had looked
into the ark of Jehovah, he smote of the people seventy men, `and'
fifty thousand men; and the people mourned, because Jehovah had
smitten the people with a great slaughter. And the men of Beth-
shemesh said, Who is able to stand before Jehovah, this holy God? and
to whom shall he go up from us? (1Samuel 6:19-20 ASV)
Killed by a Lion
Meanwhile, the LORD instructed one of the group of prophets to say
to another man, "Strike me!" But the man refused to strike the
prophet. Then the prophet told him, "Because you have not obeyed the
voice of the LORD, a lion will kill you as soon as you leave me." And
sure enough, when he had gone, a lion attacked and killed him. (1
Kings 20:35-36 NLT)
Killing the Good Samaritan
The ark of God was placed on a new cart and taken away from the
house of Abinadab on the hill. Uzzah and Ahio, sons of Abinadab
guided the cart, with Ahio walking before it, while David and all the
Israelites made merry before the Lord with all their strength, with
singing and with citharas, harps, tambourines, sistrums, and cymbals.
When they came to the threshing floor of Nodan, Uzzah reached out
his hand to the ark of God to steady it, for the oxen were making it
tip. But the Lord was angry with Uzzah; God struck him on that spot,
and he died there before God. (2 Samuel 6:3-7 NAB)
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3) Murdering Children
Kill Sons of Sinners
Make ready to slaughter his sons for the guilt of their fathers;
Lest they rise and posses the earth, and fill the breadth of the world
with tyrants. (Isaiah 14:21 NAB)
God Will Kill Children
The glory of Israel will fly away like a bird, for your children
will die at birth or perish in the womb or never even be conceived.
Even if your children do survive to grow up, I will take them from
you. It will be a terrible day when I turn away and leave you alone.
I have watched Israel become as beautiful and pleasant as Tyre. But
now Israel will bring out her children to be slaughtered." O LORD,
what should I request for your people? I will ask for wombs that
don't give birth and breasts that give no milk. The LORD says, "All
their wickedness began at Gilgal; there I began to hate them. I will
drive them from my land because of their evil actions. I will love
them no more because all their leaders are rebels. The people of
Israel are stricken. Their roots are dried up; they will bear no more
fruit. And if they give birth, I will slaughter their beloved
children." (Hosea 9:11-16 NLT)
Kill Men, Women, and Children
"Then I heard the LORD say to the other men, "Follow him through
the city and kill everyone whose forehead is not marked. Show no
mercy; have no pity! Kill them all - old and young, girls and women
and little children. But do not touch anyone with the mark. Begin
your task right here at the Temple." So they began by killing the
seventy leaders. "Defile the Temple!" the LORD commanded. "Fill its
courtyards with the bodies of those you kill! Go!" So they went
throughout the city and did as they were told." (Ezekiel 9:5-7 NLT)
God Kills all the First Born of Egypt
And at midnight the LORD killed all the firstborn sons in the land
of Egypt, from the firstborn son of Pharaoh, who sat on the throne, to
the firstborn son of the captive in the dungeon. Even the firstborn of
their livestock were killed. Pharaoh and his officials and all the
people of Egypt woke up during the night, and loud wailing was heard
throughout the land of Egypt. There was not a single house where
someone had not died. (Exodus 12:29-30 NLT)
Kill Old Men and Young Women
"You are my battle-ax and sword," says the LORD. "With you I will
shatter nations and destroy many kingdoms. With you I will shatter
armies, destroying the horse and rider, the chariot and charioteer.
With you I will shatter men and women, old people and children, young
men and maidens. With you I will shatter shepherds and flocks,
farmers and oxen, captains and rulers. "As you watch, I will repay
Babylon and the people of Babylonia for all the wrong they have done
to my people in Jerusalem," says the LORD. "Look, O mighty mountain,
destroyer of the earth! I am your enemy," says the LORD. "I will
raise my fist against you, to roll you down from the heights. When I
am finished, you will be nothing but a heap of rubble. You will be
desolate forever. Even your stones will never again be used for
building. You will be completely wiped out," says the LORD.
(Jeremiah 51:20-26)
(Note that after God promises the Israelites a victory against
Babylon, the Israelites actually get their butts kicked by them in the
next chapter. So much for an all-knowing and all-powerful God.)
God Will Kill the Children of Sinners
If even then you remain hostile toward me and refuse to obey, I
will inflict you with seven more disasters for your sins. I will
release wild animals that will kill your children and destroy your
cattle, so your numbers will dwindle and your roads will be deserted.
(Leviticus 26:21-22 NLT)
More Rape and Baby Killing
Anyone who is captured will be run through with a sword. Their
little children will be dashed to death right before their eyes.
Their homes will be sacked and their wives raped by the attacking
hordes. For I will stir up the Medes against Babylon, and no amount
of silver or gold will buy them off. The attacking armies will shoot
down the young people with arrows. They will have no mercy on
helpless babies and will show no compassion for the children. (Isaiah
13:15-18 NLT)
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4) Miscellaneous Murders
More of Samson's Murders
(The Lord saves Sampson from standing trial for 30 murders and
arson by allowing him to kill 1000 more men.) When he reached Lehi,
and the Philistines came shouting to meet him, the spirit of the Lord
came upon him: the ropes around his arms become as flax that is
consumed by fire and the bonds melted away from his hands. Near him
was the fresh jawbone of an *****; he reached out, grasped it, and with
it killed a thousand men. (Judges 15:14-15 NAB)
Peter Kills Two People
There was also a man named Ananias who, with his wife, Sapphira,
sold some property. He brought part of the money to the apostles, but
he claimed it was the full amount. His wife had agreed to this
deception. Then Peter said, "Ananias, why has Satan filled your
heart? You lied to the Holy Spirit, and you kept some of the money
for yourself. The property was yours to sell or not sell, as you
wished. And after selling it, the money was yours to give away. How
could you do a thing like this? You weren't lying to us but to God."
As soon as Ananias heard these words, he fell to the floor and died.
Everyone who heard about it was terrified. Then some young men
wrapped him in a sheet and took him out and buried him. About three
hours later his wife came in, not knowing what had happened. Peter
asked her, "Was this the price you and your husband received for your
land?" "Yes," she replied, "that was the price." And Peter said,
"How could the two of you even think of doing a thing like this -
conspiring together to test the Spirit of the Lord? Just outside that
door are the young men who buried your husband, and they will carry
you out, too." Instantly, she fell to the floor and died. When the
young men came in and saw that she was dead, they carried her out and
buried her beside her husband. Great fear gripped the entire church
and all others who heard what had happened. (Acts 5:1-11 NLT)
Mass Murder
This is what the Lord of hosts has to say: 'I will punish what
Amalek did to Israel when he barred his way as he was coming up from
Egypt. Go, now, attack Amalek, and deal with him and all that he has
under the ban. Do not spare him, but kill men and women, children and
infants, oxen and sheep, camels and asses.' (1 Samuel 15:2-3 NAB)
You Have to Kill
Cursed be he who does the Lords work remissly, cursed he who holds
back his sword from blood. (Jeremiah 48:10 NAB)
The Danites Kill the Next Town
But the territory of the Danites was too small for them; so the
Danites marched up and attacked Leshem, which they captured and put to
the sword. Once they had taken possession of Lesham, they renamed the
settlement after their ancestor Dan. (Joshua 19:47 NAB)
God Kills Some More
Then the LORD said to me, "Even if Moses and Samuel stood before
me pleading for these people, I wouldn't help them. Away with them!
Get them out of my sight! And if they say to you, 'But where can we
go?' tell them, 'This is what the LORD says: Those who are destined
for death, to death; those who are destined for war, to war; those who
are destined for famine, to famine; those who are destined for
captivity, to captivity.' "I will send four kinds of destroyers
against them," says the LORD. "I will send the sword to kill, the
dogs to drag away, the vultures to devour, and the wild animals to
finish up what is left. Because of the wicked things Manasseh son of
Hezekiah, king of Judah, did in Jerusalem, I will make my people an
object of horror to all the kingdoms of the earth." (Jeremiah 15:1-4
NLT)
God Promises More Killing
I will make Mount Seir utterly desolate, killing off all who try
to escape and any who return. I will fill your mountains with the
dead. Your hills, your valleys, and your streams will be filled with
people slaughtered by the sword. I will make you desolate forever.
Your cities will never be rebuilt. Then you will know that I am the
LORD. (Ezekiel 35:7-9 NLT)
The Angel of Death
My angel will go before you and bring you to the Amorites,
Hittites, Perizzites, Canaanites, Hivites, and Jebusites; and I will
wipe them out. (Exodus 23:23 NAB)
Destruction of Ai
Then the LORD said to Joshua, "Do not be afraid or discouraged.
Take the entire army and attack Ai, for I have given to you the king
of Ai, his people, his city, and his land. You will destroy them as
you destroyed Jericho and its king. But this time you may keep the
captured goods and the cattle for yourselves. Set an ambush behind the
city." So Joshua and the army of Israel set out to attack Ai. Joshua
chose thirty thousand fighting men and sent them out at night with
these orders: "Hide in ambush close behind the city and be ready for
action. When our main army attacks, the men of Ai will come out to
fight as they did before, and we will run away from them. We will let
them chase us until they have all left the city. For they will say,
'The Israelites are running away from us as they did before.' Then
you will jump up from your ambush and take possession of the city, for
the LORD your God will give it to you. Set the city on fire, as the
LORD has commanded. You have your orders." So they left that night
and lay in ambush between Bethel and the west side of Ai. But Joshua
remained among the people in the camp that night.
Early the next morning Joshua roused his men and started toward
Ai, accompanied by the leaders of Israel. They camped on the north
side of Ai, with a valley between them and the city. That night
Joshua sent five thousand men to lie in ambush between Bethel and Ai,
on the west side of the city. So they stationed the main army north
of the city and the ambush west of the city. Joshua himself spent
that night in the valley. When the king of Ai saw the Israelites
across the valley, he and all his army hurriedly went out early the
next morning and attacked the Israelites at a place overlooking the
Jordan Valley. But he didn't realize there was an ambush behind the
city. Joshua and the Israelite army fled toward the wilderness as
though they were badly beaten, and all the men in the city were
called out to chase after them. In this way, they were lured away
from the city. There was not a man left in Ai or Bethel who did not
chase after the Israelites, and the city was left wide open.
Then the LORD said to Joshua, "Point your spear toward Ai, for I
will give you the city." Joshua did as he was commanded. As soon as
Joshua gave the signal, the men in ambush jumped up and poured into
the city. They quickly captured it and set it on fire. When the men
of Ai looked behind them, smoke from the city was filling the sky, and
they had nowhere to go. For the Israelites who had fled in the
direction of the wilderness now turned on their pursuers. When Joshua
and the other Israelites saw that the ambush had succeeded and that
smoke was rising from the city, they turned and attacked the men of
Ai. Then the Israelites who were inside the city came out and started
killing the enemy from the rear. So the men of Ai were caught in a
trap, and all of them died. Not a single person survived or escaped.
Only the king of Ai was taken alive and brought to Joshua.
When the Israelite army finished killing all the men outside the
city, they went back and finished off everyone inside. So the entire
population of Ai was wiped out that day - twelve thousand in all. For
Joshua kept holding out his spear until everyone who had lived in Ai
was completely destroyed. Only the cattle and the treasures of the
city were not destroyed, for the Israelites kept these for themselves,
as the LORD had commanded Joshua. So Ai became a permanent mound of
ruins, desolate to this very day. Joshua hung the king of Ai on a
tree and left him there until evening. At sunset the Israelites took
down the body and threw it in front of the city gate. They piled a
great heap of stones over him that can still be seen today. (Joshua
8:1-29 NLT)
Killing at Jericho
When the people heard the sound of the horns, they shouted as loud
as they could. Suddenly, the walls of Jericho collapsed, and the
Israelites charged straight into the city from every side and captured
it. They completely destroyed everything in it - men and women, young
and old, cattle, sheep, donkeys - everything. (Joshua 6:20-21 NLT)
God Kills an Extended Family
"You have done more evil than all who lived before you. You have
made other gods and have made me furious with your gold calves. And
since you have turned your back on me, I will bring disaster on your
dynasty and kill all your sons, slave or free alike. I will burn up
your royal dynasty as one burns up trash until it is all gone. I, the
LORD, vow that the members of your family who die in the city will be
eaten by dogs, and those who die in the field will be eaten by
vultures.'" Then Ahijah said to Jeroboam's wife, "Go on home, and
when you enter the city, the child will die. All Israel will mourn
for him and bury him. He is the only member of your family who will
have a proper burial, for this child is the only good thing that the
LORD, the God of Israel, sees in the entire family of Jeroboam. And
the LORD will raise up a king over Israel who will destroy the family
of Jeroboam. This will happen today, even now! Then the LORD will
shake Israel like a reed whipped about in a stream. He will uproot
the people of Israel from this good land that he gave their ancestors
and will scatter them beyond the Euphrates River, for they have
angered the LORD by worshiping Asherah poles. He will abandon Israel
because Jeroboam sinned and made all of Israel sin along with
him." (1 Kings 14:9-16 NLT)
Mass Murder
The men of Israel withdrew through the territory of the
Benjaminites, putting to the sword the inhabitants of the city, the
livestock, and all they chanced upon. Moreover they destroyed by fire
all the cities they came upon. (Judges 20:48 NAB)
The Angel of Death
That night the angel of the Lord went forth and struck down one
hundred and eighty five thousand men in the Assyrian camp. Early the
next morning, there they were, all the corpuses of the dead. (2 Kings
19:35 NAB)
Kill Your Neighbors
(Moses) stood at the entrance to the camp and shouted, "All of you
who are on the LORD's side, come over here and join me." And all the
Levites came. He told them, "This is what the LORD, the God of
Israel, says: Strap on your swords! Go back and forth from one end of
the camp to the other, killing even your brothers, friends, and
neighbors." The Levites obeyed Moses, and about three thousand people
died that day. Then Moses told the Levites, "Today you have been
ordained for the service of the LORD, for you obeyed him even though
it meant killing your own sons and brothers. Because of this, he will
now give you a great blessing." (Exodus 32:26-29 NLT)
Kill the Family of Sinners
And Joshua said to Achan, My son, give, I pray thee, glory to the
LORD God of Israel, and make confession to him; and tell me now what
thou hast done, hide it not from me. And Achan answered Joshua, and
said, Indeed I have sinned against the LORD God of Israel, and thus
and thus have I done. When I saw among the spoils a goodly Babylonish
garment, and two hundred shekels of silver, and a wedge of gold of
fifty shekels weight, then I coveted them, and took them, and behold,
they are hid in the earth in the midst of my tent, and the silver
under it." [Note that the sin is not looting, but failing to give the
loot to the treasury of the Lord.] "So Joshua sent messengers, and
they ran to the tent, and behold, it was hid in his tent, and the
silver under it. And they took them from the midst of the tent, and
brought them to Joshua, and to all the children of Israel, and laid
them out before the LORD. And Joshua, and all Israel with him, took
Achan the son of Zerah, and the silver, and the garment, and the wedge
of gold, and his sons, and his daughters, and his oxen, and his asses,
and his sheep, and his tent, and all that he had: and they brought
them to the valley of Achor. And Joshua said, why hast thou troubled
us? the LORD shall trouble thee this day. And all Israel stoned him
with stones, and burned them with fire, after they had stoned them
with stones. And they raised over him a great heap of stones to this
day. So the LORD turned from the fierceness of his anger: wherefore
the name of that place was called the valley of Achor to this day.
(Joshua 7:19-26 Webster's Bible)
Kill Followers of Other Religions
While the Israelites were camped at Acacia, some of the men
defiled themselves by sleeping with the local Moabite women. These
women invited them to attend sacrifices to their gods, and soon the
Israelites were feasting with them and worshiping the gods of Moab.
Before long Israel was joining in the worship of Baal of Peor, causing
the LORD's anger to blaze against his people. The LORD issued the
following command to Moses: "Seize all the ringleaders and execute
them before the LORD in broad daylight, so his fierce anger will turn
away from the people of Israel." So Moses ordered Israel's judges to
execute everyone who had joined in worshiping Baal of Peor. Just then
one of the Israelite men brought a Midianite woman into the camp,
right before the eyes of Moses and all the people, as they were
weeping at the entrance of the Tabernacle. When Phinehas son of
Eleazar and grandson of Aaron the priest saw this, he jumped up and
left the assembly. Then he took a spear and rushed after the man into
his tent. Phinehas thrust the spear all the way through the man's body
and into the woman's stomach. So the plague against the Israelites
was stopped, but not before 24,000 people had died. (Numbers 25:1-9
NLT)
Murder
At the customary time for offering the evening sacrifice, Elijah
the prophet walked up to the altar and prayed, "O LORD, God of
Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob, prove today that you are God in Israel and
that I am your servant. Prove that I have done all this at your
command. O LORD, answer me! Answer me so these people will know that
you, O LORD, are God and that you have brought them back to
yourself." Immediately the fire of the LORD flashed down from heaven
and burned up the young bull, the wood, the stones, and the dust. It
even licked up all the water in the ditch! And when the people saw
it, they fell on their faces and cried out, "The LORD is God! The
LORD is God!" Then Elijah commanded, "Seize all the prophets of
Baal. Don't let a single one escape!" So the people seized them all,
and Elijah took them down to the Kishon Valley and killed them there.
(1 Kings 18:36-40 NLT)
Kill All of Babylon
"Go up, my warriors, against the land of Merathaim and against the
people of Pekod. Yes, march against Babylon, the land of rebels, a
land that I will judge! Pursue, kill, and completely destroy them, as
I have commanded you," says the LORD. "Let the battle cry be heard in
the land, a shout of great destruction". (Jeremiah 50:21-22 NLT)
Micah Kills a Whole Town
Then, with Micah's idols and his priest, the men of Dan came to
the town of Laish, whose people were peaceful and secure. They
attacked and killed all the people and burned the town to the ground.
There was no one to rescue the residents of the town, for they lived a
great distance from Sidon and had no allies nearby. This happened in
the valley near Beth-rehob.Then the people of the tribe of Dan rebuilt
the town and lived there. They renamed the town Dan after their
ancestor, Israel's son, but it had originally been called Laish.
(Judges 18:27-29 NLT) (Note that God approves of this slaughter in
verse 6.)
Martin
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Title: Re: Bible promotes murder (was Re: Iowa State Promotes Atheist Professor Who Equates Bible with Mein Kampf While Denying Tenure to ID Astronomer 31 May 2007 09:06:41 AM
On May 30, 10:29 pm, Martin Phipps <martinphip...@yahoo.com> wrote:

http://www.evilbible.com/Murder.htm

Murder in the Bible

The act of murder is rampant in the Bible. In much of the Bible,
especially the Old Testament, there are laws that command that people
be killed for absurd reasons such as working on the Sabbath, being
gay, cursing your parents, or not being a virgin on your wedding
night. In addition to these crazy and immoral laws, there are plenty
of examples of God's irrationality by his direct killing of many
people for reasons that defy any rational explanation such as killing
children who make fun of bald people, and the killing of a man who
tried to keep the ark of God from falling during transport. There are
also countless examples of mass murders commanded by God, including
the murder of women, infants, and children.

The following passages are a very small percentage of the total
passages approving of murder in the Bible. They are divided here into
three parts: 1) Capital Punishment Crimes, 2) God's Murders for Stupid
Reasons, 3) Murdering Children, and 4) Miscellaneous Murders. This
list is long, but it barely scratches the surface of all the murders
approved of in the Bible.

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1) Capital Punishment Crimes:

Kill People Who Don't Listen to Priests

Anyone arrogant enough to reject the verdict of the judge or of
the priest who represents the LORD your God must be put to death.
Such evil must be purged from Israel. (Deuteronomy 17:12 NLT)

Kill Witches

You should not let a sorceress live. (Exodus 22:17 NAB)

Kill Homosexuals
"If a man lies with a male as with a women, both of them shall be
put to death for their abominable deed; they have forfeited their
lives." (Leviticus 20:13 NAB)

Kill Fortunetellers

A man or a woman who acts as a medium or fortuneteller shall be
put to death by stoning; they have no one but themselves to blame for
their death. (Leviticus 20:27 NAB)

Death for Hitting Dad

Whoever strikes his father or mother shall be put to death.
(Exodus 21:15 NAB)

Death for Cursing Parents

1) If one curses his father or mother, his lamp will go out at the
coming of darkness. (Proverbs 20:20 NAB)

2) All who curse their father or mother must be put to death.
They are guilty of a capital offense. (Leviticus 20:9 NLT)

Death for Adultery

If a man commits adultery with another man's wife, both the man
and the woman must be put to death. (Leviticus 20:10 NLT)

Death for Fornication

A priest's daughter who loses her honor by committing fornication
and thereby dishonors her father also, shall be burned to death.
(Leviticus 21:9 NAB)

Death to Followers of Other Religions

Whoever sacrifices to any god, except the Lord alone, shall be
doomed. (Exodus 22:19 NAB)

Kill Nonbelievers

They entered into a covenant to seek the Lord, the God of their
fathers, with all their heart and soul; and everyone who would not
seek the Lord, the God of Israel, was to be put to death, whether
small or great, whether man or woman. (2 Chronicles 15:12-13 NAB)

Kill False Prophets

If a man still prophesies, his parents, father and mother, shall
say to him, "You shall not live, because you have spoken a lie in the
name of the Lord." When he prophesies, his parents, father and
mother, shall thrust him through. (Zechariah 13:3 NAB)

Kill the Entire Town if One Person Worships Another God

Suppose you hear in one of the towns the LORD your God is giving
you that some worthless rabble among you have led their fellow
citizens astray by encouraging them to worship foreign gods. In such
cases, you must examine the facts carefully. If you find it is true
and can prove that such a detestable act has occurred among you, you
must attack that town and completely destroy all its inhabitants, as
well as all the livestock. Then you must pile all the plunder in the
middle of the street and burn it. Put the entire town to the torch as
a burnt offering to the LORD your God. That town must remain a ruin
forever; it may never be rebuilt. Keep none of the plunder that has
been set apart for destruction. Then the LORD will turn from his
fierce anger and be merciful to you. He will have compassion on you
and make you a great nation, just as he solemnly promised your
ancestors. "The LORD your God will be merciful only if you obey him
and keep all the commands I am giving you today, doing what is
pleasing to him." (Deuteronomy 13:13-19 NLT)

Kill Women Who Are Not Virgins On Their Wedding Night

But if this charge is true (that she wasn't a virgin on her
wedding night), and evidence of the girls virginity is not found, they
shall bring the girl to the entrance of her fathers house and there
her townsman shall stone her to death, because she committed a crime
against Israel by her unchasteness in her father's house. Thus shall
you purge the evil from your midst. (Deuteronomy 22:20-21 NAB)

Kill Followers of Other Religions.

1) If your own full brother, or your son or daughter, or your
beloved wife, or you intimate friend, entices you secretly to serve
other gods, whom you and your fathers have not known, gods of any
other nations, near at hand or far away, from one end of the earth to
the other: do not yield to him or listen to him, nor look with pity
upon him, to spare or shield him, but kill him. Your hand shall be
the first raised to slay him; the rest of the people shall join in
with you. You shall stone him to death, because he sought to lead you
astray from the Lord, your God, who brought you out of the land of
Egypt, that place of slavery. And all Israel, hearing of this, shall
fear and never do such evil as this in your midst. (Deuteronomy
13:7-12 NAB)

2) Suppose a man or woman among you, in one of your towns that the
LORD your God is giving you, has done evil in the sight of the LORD
your God and has violated the covenant by serving other gods or by
worshiping the sun, the moon, or any of the forces of heaven, which I
have strictly forbidden. When you hear about it, investigate the
matter thoroughly. If it is true that this detestable thing has been
done in Israel, then that man or woman must be taken to the gates of
the town and stoned to death. (Deuteronomy 17:2-5 NLT)

Death for Blasphemy

One day a man who had an Israelite mother and an Egyptian father
got into a fight with one of the Israelite men. During the fight,
this son of an Israelite woman blasphemed the LORD's name. So the man
was brought to Moses for judgment. His mother's name was Shelomith.
She was the daughter of Dibri of the tribe of Dan. They put the man
in custody until the LORD's will in the matter should become clear.
Then the LORD said to Moses, "Take the blasphemer outside the camp,
and tell all those who heard him to lay their hands on his head. Then
let the entire community stone him to death. Say to the people of
Israel: Those who blaspheme God will suffer the consequences of their
guilt and be punished. Anyone who blasphemes the LORD's name must be
stoned to death by the whole community of Israel. Any Israelite or
foreigner among you who blasphemes the LORD's name will surely die.
(Leviticus 24:10-16 NLT)

Kill False Prophets

1) Suppose there are prophets among you, or those who have dreams
about the future, and they promise you signs or miracles, and the
predicted signs or miracles take place. If the prophets then say,
'Come, let us worship the gods of foreign nations,' do not listen to
them. The LORD your God is testing you to see if you love him with
all your heart and soul. Serve only the LORD your God and fear him
alone. Obey his commands, listen to his voice, and cling to him. The
false prophets or dreamers who try to lead you astray must be put to
death, for they encourage rebellion against the LORD your God, who
brought you out of slavery in the land of Egypt. Since they try to
keep you from following the LORD your God, you must execute them to
remove the evil from among you. (Deuteronomy 13:1-5 NLT)

2) But any prophet who claims to give a message from another god
or who falsely claims to speak for me must die.' You may wonder, 'How
will we know whether the prophecy is from the LORD or not?' If the
prophet predicts something in the LORD's name and it does not happen,
the LORD did not give the message. That prophet has spoken on his own
and need not be feared. (Deuteronomy 18:20-22 NLT)

Infidels and Gays Should Die

So God let them go ahead and do whatever shameful things their
hearts desired. As a result, they did vile and degrading things with
each other's bodies. Instead of believing what they knew was the
truth about God, they deliberately chose to believe lies. So they
worshiped the things God made but not the Creator himself, who is to
be praised forever. Amen. That is why God abandoned them to their
shameful desires. Even the women turned against the natural way to
have sex and instead indulged in sex with each other. And the men,
instead of having normal sexual relationships with women, burned with
lust for each other. Men did shameful things with other men and, as a
result, suffered within themselves the penalty they so richly
deserved. When they refused to acknowledge God, he abandoned them to
their evil minds and let them do things that should never be done.
Their lives became full of every kind of wickedness, sin, greed, hate,
envy, murder, fighting, deception, malicious behavior, and gossip.
They are backstabbers, haters of God, insolent, proud, and boastful.
They are forever inventing new ways of sinning and are disobedient to
their parents. They refuse to understand, break their promises, and
are heartless and unforgiving. They are fully aware of God's death
penalty for those who do these things, yet they go right ahead and do
them anyway. And, worse yet, they encourage others to do them, too.
(Romans 1:24-32 NLT)

Kill Anyone who Approaches the Tabernacle

For the LORD had said to Moses, 'Exempt the tribe of Levi from the
census; do not include them when you count the rest of the
Israelites. You must put the Levites in charge of the Tabernacle of
the Covenant, along with its furnishings and equipment. They must
carry the Tabernacle and its equipment as you travel, and they must
care for it and camp around it. Whenever the Tabernacle is moved, the
Levites will take it down and set it up again. Anyone else who goes
too near the Tabernacle will be executed.' (Numbers 1:48-51 NLT)

Kill People for Working on the Sabbath

The LORD then gave these further instructions to Moses: 'Tell the
people of Israel to keep my Sabbath day, for the Sabbath is a sign of
the covenant between me and you forever. It helps you to remember
that I am the LORD, who makes you holy. Yes, keep the Sabbath day,
for it is holy. Anyone who desecrates it must die; anyone who works
on that day will be cut off from the community. Work six days only,
but the seventh day must be a day of total rest. I repeat: Because
the LORD considers it a holy day, anyone who works on the Sabbath must
be put to death.' (Exodus 31:12-15 NLT)

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2) God's Murders for Stupid Reasons:

Kill Brats

From there Elisha went up to Bethel. While he was on his way,
some small boys came out of the city and jeered at him. "Go up
baldhead," they shouted, "go up baldhead!" The prophet turned and saw
them, and he cursed them in the name of the Lord. Then two shebears
came out of the woods and tore forty two of the children to pieces.
(2 Kings 2:23-24 NAB)

God Kills the Curious

And he smote of the men of Beth-shemesh, because they had looked
into the ark of Jehovah, he smote of the people seventy men, `and'
fifty thousand men; and the people mourned, because Jehovah had
smitten the people with a great slaughter. And the men of Beth-
shemesh said, Who is able to stand before Jehovah, this holy God? and
to whom shall he go up from us? (1Samuel 6:19-20 ASV)

Killed by a Lion

Meanwhile, the LORD instructed one of the group of prophets to say
to another man, "Strike me!" But the man refused to strike the
prophet. Then the prophet told him, "Because you have not obeyed the
voice of the LORD, a lion will kill you as soon as you leave me." And
sure enough, when he had gone, a lion attacked and killed him. (1
Kings 20:35-36 NLT)

Killing the Good Samaritan

The ark of God was placed on a new cart and taken away from the
house of Abinadab on the hill. Uzzah and Ahio, sons of Abinadab
guided the cart, with Ahio walking before it, while David and all the
Israelites made merry before the Lord with all their strength, with
singing and with citharas, harps, tambourines, sistrums, and cymbals.

When they came to the threshing floor of Nodan, Uzzah reached out
his hand to the ark of God to steady it, for the oxen were making it
tip. But the Lord was angry with Uzzah; God struck him on that spot,
and he died there before God. (2 Samuel 6:3-7 NAB)

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3) Murdering Children

Kill Sons of Sinners

Make ready to slaughter his sons for the guilt of their fathers;
Lest they rise and posses the earth, and fill the breadth of the world
with tyrants. (Isaiah 14:21 NAB)

God Will Kill Children

The glory of Israel will fly away like a bird, for your children
will die at birth or perish in the womb or never even be conceived.
Even if your children do survive to grow up, I will take them from
you. It will be a terrible day when I turn away and leave you alone.
I have watched Israel become as beautiful and pleasant as Tyre. But
now Israel will bring out her children to be slaughtered." O LORD,
what should I request for your people? I will ask for wombs that
don't give birth and breasts that give no milk. The LORD says, "All
their wickedness began at Gilgal; there I began to hate them. I will
drive them from my land because of their evil actions. I will love
them no more because all their leaders are rebels. The people of
Israel are stricken. Their roots are dried up; they will bear no more
fruit. And if they give birth, I will slaughter their beloved
children." (Hosea 9:11-16 NLT)

Kill Men, Women, and Children

"Then I heard the LORD say to the other men, "Follow him through
the city and kill everyone whose forehead is not marked. Show no
mercy; have no pity! Kill them all - old and young, girls and women
and little children. But do not touch anyone with the mark. Begin
your task right here at the Temple." So they began by killing the
seventy leaders. "Defile the Temple!" the LORD commanded. "Fill its
courtyards with the bodies of those you kill! Go!" So they went
throughout the city and did as they were told." (Ezekiel 9:5-7 NLT)

God Kills all the First Born of Egypt

And at midnight the LORD killed all the firstborn sons in the land
of Egypt, from the firstborn son of Pharaoh, who sat on the throne, to
the firstborn son of the captive in the dungeon. Even the firstborn of
their livestock were killed. Pharaoh and his officials and all the
people of Egypt woke up during the night, and loud wailing was heard
throughout the land of Egypt. There was not a single house where
someone had not died. (Exodus 12:29-30 NLT)

Kill Old Men and Young Women

"You are my battle-ax and sword," says the LORD. "With you I will
shatter nations and destroy many kingdoms. With you I will shatter
armies, destroying the horse and rider, the chariot and charioteer.
With you I will shatter men and women, old people and children, young
men and maidens. With you I will shatter shepherds and flocks,
farmers and oxen, captains and rulers. "As you watch, I will repay
Babylon and the people of Babylonia for all the wrong they have done
to my people in Jerusalem," says the LORD. "Look, O mighty mountain,
destroyer of the earth! I am your enemy," says the LORD. "I will
raise my fist against you, to roll you down from the heights. When I
am finished, you will be nothing but a heap of rubble. You will be
desolate forever. Even your stones will never again be used for
building. You will be completely wiped out," says the LORD.
(Jeremiah 51:20-26)

(Note that after God promises the Israelites a victory against
Babylon, the Israelites actually get their butts kicked by them in the
next chapter. So much for an all-knowing and all-powerful God.)

God Will Kill the Children of Sinners

If even then you remain hostile toward me and refuse to obey, I
will inflict you with seven more disasters for your sins. I will
release wild animals that will kill your children and destroy your
cattle, so your numbers will dwindle and your roads will be deserted.
(Leviticus 26:21-22 NLT)

More Rape and Baby Killing

Anyone who is captured will be run through with a sword. Their
little children will be dashed to death right before their eyes.
Their homes will be sacked and their wives raped by the attacking
hordes. For I will stir up the Medes against Babylon, and no amount
of silver or gold will buy them off. The attacking armies will shoot
down the young people with arrows. They will have no mercy on
helpless babies and will show no compassion for the children. (Isaiah
13:15-18 NLT)

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4) Miscellaneous Murders

More of Samson's Murders

(The Lord saves Sampson from standing trial for 30 murders and
arson by allowing him to kill 1000 more men.) When he reached Lehi,
and the Philistines came shouting to meet him, the spirit of the Lord
came upon him: the ropes around his arms become as flax that is
consumed by fire and the bonds melted away from his hands. Near him
was the fresh jawbone of an *****; he reached out, grasped it, and with
it killed a thousand men. (Judges 15:14-15 NAB)

Peter Kills Two People

There was also a man named Ananias who, with his wife, Sapphira,
sold some property. He brought part of the money to the apostles, but
he claimed it was the full amount. His wife had agreed to this
deception. Then Peter said, "Ananias, why has Satan filled your
heart? You lied to the Holy Spirit, and you kept some of the money
for yourself. The property was yours to sell or not sell, as you
wished. And after selling it, the money was yours to give away. How
could you do a thing like this? You weren't lying to us but to God."
As soon as Ananias heard these words, he fell to the floor and died.
Everyone who heard about it was terrified. Then some young men
wrapped him in a sheet and took him out and buried him. About three
hours later his wife came in, not knowing what had happened. Peter
asked her, "Was this the price you and your husband received for your
land?" "Yes," she replied, "that was the price." And Peter said,
"How could the two of you even think of doing a thing like this -
conspiring together to test the Spirit of the Lord? Just outside that
door are the young men who buried your husband, and they will carry
you out, too." Instantly, she fell to the floor and died. When the
young men came in and saw that she was dead, they carried her out and
buried her beside her husband. Great fear gripped the entire church
and all others who heard what had happened. (Acts 5:1-11 NLT)

Mass Murder

This is what the Lord of hosts has to say: 'I will punish what
Amalek did to Israel when he barred his way as he was coming up from
Egypt. Go, now, attack Amalek, and deal with him and all that he has
under the ban. Do not spare him, but kill men and women, children and
infants, oxen and sheep, camels and asses.' (1 Samuel 15:2-3 NAB)

You Have to Kill

Cursed be he who does the Lords work remissly, cursed he who holds
back his sword from blood. (Jeremiah 48:10 NAB)

The Danites Kill the Next Town

But the territory of the Danites was too small for them; so the
Danites marched up and attacked Leshem, which they captured and put to
the sword. Once they had taken possession of Lesham, they renamed the
settlement after their ancestor Dan. (Joshua 19:47 NAB)

God Kills Some More

Then the LORD said to me, "Even if Moses and Samuel stood before
me pleading for these people, I wouldn't help them. Away with them!
Get them out of my sight! And if they say to you, 'But where can we
go?' tell them, 'This is what the LORD says: Those who are destined
for death, to death; those who are destined for war, to war; those who
are destined for famine, to famine; those who are destined for
captivity, to captivity.' "I will send four kinds of destroyers
against them," says the LORD. "I will send the sword to kill, the
dogs to drag away, the vultures to devour, and the wild animals to
finish up what is left. Because of the wicked things Manasseh son of
Hezekiah, king of Judah, did in Jerusalem, I will make my people an
object of horror to all the kingdoms of the earth." (Jeremiah 15:1-4
NLT)

God Promises More Killing

I will make Mount Seir utterly desolate, killing off all who try
to escape and any who return. I will fill your mountains with the
dead. Your hills, your valleys, and your streams will be filled with
people slaughtered by the sword. I will make you desolate forever.
Your cities will never be rebuilt. Then you will know that I am the
LORD. (Ezekiel 35:7-9 NLT)

The Angel of Death

My angel will go before you and bring you to the Amorites,
Hittites, Perizzites, Canaanites, Hivites, and Jebusites; and I will
wipe them out. (Exodus 23:23 NAB)

Destruction of Ai

Then the LORD said to Joshua, "Do not be afraid or discouraged.
Take the entire army and attack Ai, for I have given to you the king
of Ai, his people, his city, and his land. You will destroy them as
you destroyed Jericho and its king. But this time you may keep the
captured goods and the cattle for yourselves. Set an ambush behind the
city." So Joshua and the army of Israel set out to attack Ai. Joshua
chose thirty thousand fighting men and sent them out at night with
these orders: "Hide in ambush close behind the city and be ready for
action. When our main army attacks, the men of Ai will come out to
fight as they did before, and we will run away from them. We will let
them chase us until they have all left the city. For they will say,
'The Israelites are running away from us as they did before.' Then
you will jump up from your ambush and take possession of the city, for
the LORD your God will give it to you. Set the city on fire, as the
LORD has commanded. You have your orders." So they left that night
and lay in ambush between Bethel and the west side of Ai. But Joshua
remained among the people in the camp that night.

Early the next morning Joshua roused his men and started toward
Ai, accompanied by the leaders of Israel. They camped on the north
side of Ai, with a valley between them and the city. That night
Joshua sent five thousand men to lie in ambush between Bethel and Ai,
on the west side of the city. So they stationed the main army north
of the city and the ambush west of the city. Joshua himself spent
that night in the valley. When the king of Ai saw the Israelites
across the valley, he and all his army hurriedly went out early the
next morning and attacked the Israelites at a place overlooking the
Jordan Valley. But he didn't realize there was an ambush behind the
city. Joshua and the Israelite army fled toward the wilderness as
though they were badly beaten, and all the men in the city were
called out to chase after them. In this way, they were lured away
from the city. There was not a man left in Ai or Bethel who did not
chase after the Israelites, and the city was left wide open.

Then the LORD said to Joshua, "Point your spear toward Ai, for I
will give you the city." Joshua did as he was commanded. As soon as
Joshua gave the signal, the men in ambush jumped up and poured into
the city. They quickly captured it and set it on fire. When the men
of Ai looked behind them, smoke from the city was filling the sky, and
they had nowhere to go. For the Israelites who had fled in the
direction of the wilderness now turned on their pursuers. When Joshua
and the other Israelites saw that the ambush had succeeded and that
smoke was rising from the city, they turned and attacked the men of
Ai. Then the Israelites who were inside the city came out and started
killing the enemy from the rear. So the men of Ai were caught in a
trap, and all of them died. Not a single person survived or escaped.
Only the king of Ai was taken alive and brought to Joshua.

When the Israelite army finished killing all the men outside the
city, they went back and finished off everyone inside. So the entire
population of Ai was wiped out that day - twelve thousand in all. For
Joshua kept holding out his spear until everyone who had lived in Ai
was completely destroyed. Only the cattle and the treasures of the
city were not destroyed, for the Israelites kept these for themselves,
as the LORD had commanded Joshua. So Ai became a permanent mound of
ruins, desolate to this very day. Joshua hung the king of Ai on a
tree and left him there until evening. At sunset the Israelites took
down the body and threw it in front of the city gate. They piled a
great heap of stones over him that can still be seen today. (Joshua
8:1-29 NLT)

Killing at Jericho

When the people heard the sound of the horns, they shouted as loud
as they could. Suddenly, the walls of Jericho collapsed, and the
Israelites charged straight into the city from every side and captured
it. They completely destroyed everything in it - men and women, young
and old, cattle, sheep, donkeys - everything. (Joshua 6:20-21 NLT)

God Kills an Extended Family

"You have done more evil than all who lived before you. You have
made other gods and have made me furious with your gold calves. And
since you have turned your back on me, I will bring disaster on your
dynasty and kill all your sons, slave or free alike. I will burn up
your royal dynasty as one burns up trash until it is all gone. I, the
LORD, vow that the members of your family who die in the city will be
eaten by dogs, and those who die in the field will be eaten by
vultures.'" Then Ahijah said to Jeroboam's wife, "Go on home, and
when you enter the city, the child will die. All Israel will mourn
for him and bury him. He is the only member of your family who will
have a proper burial, for this child is the only good thing that the
LORD, the God of Israel, sees in the entire family of Jeroboam. And
the LORD will raise up a king over Israel who will destroy the family
of Jeroboam. This will happen today, even now! Then the LORD will
shake Israel like a reed whipped about in a stream. He will uproot
the people of Israel from this good land that he gave their ancestors
and will scatter them beyond the Euphrates River, for they have
angered the LORD by worshiping Asherah poles. He will abandon Israel
because Jeroboam sinned and made all of Israel sin along with
him." (1 Kings 14:9-16 NLT)

Mass Murder

The men of Israel withdrew through the territory of the
Benjaminites, putting to the sword the inhabitants of the city, the
livestock, and all they chanced upon. Moreover they destroyed by fire
all the cities they came upon. (Judges 20:48 NAB)

The Angel of Death

That night the angel of the Lord went forth and struck down one
hundred and eighty five thousand men in the Assyrian camp. Early the
next morning, there they were, all the corpuses of the dead. (2 Kings
19:35 NAB)

Kill Your Neighbors

(Moses) stood at the entrance to the camp and shouted, "All of you
who are on the LORD's side, come over here and join me." And all the
Levites came. He told them, "This is what the LORD, the God of
Israel, says: Strap on your swords! Go back and forth from one end of
the camp to the other, killing even your brothers, friends, and
neighbors." The Levites obeyed Moses, and about three thousand people
died that day. Then Moses told the Levites, "Today you have been
ordained for the service of the LORD, for you obeyed him even though
it meant killing your own sons and brothers. Because of this, he will
now give you a great blessing." (Exodus 32:26-29 NLT)

Kill the Family of Sinners

And Joshua said to Achan, My son, give, I pray thee, glory to the
LORD God of Israel, and make confession to him; and tell me now what
thou hast done, hide it not from me. And Achan answered Joshua, and
said, Indeed I have sinned against the LORD God of Israel, and thus
and thus have I done. When I saw among the spoils a goodly Babylonish
garment, and two hundred shekels of silver, and a wedge of gold of
fifty shekels weight, then I coveted them, and took them, and behold,
they are hid in the earth in the midst of my tent, and the silver
under it." [Note that the sin is not looting, but failing to give the
loot to the treasury of the Lord.] "So Joshua sent messengers, and
they ran to the tent, and behold, it was hid in his tent, and the
silver under it. And they took them from the midst of the tent, and
brought them to Joshua, and to all the children of Israel, and laid
them out before the LORD. And Joshua, and all Israel with him, took
Achan the son of Zerah, and the silver, and the garment, and the wedge
of gold, and his sons, and his daughters, and his oxen, and his asses,
and his sheep, and his tent, and all that he had: and they brought
them to the valley of Achor. And Joshua said, why hast thou troubled
us? the LORD shall trouble thee this day. And all Israel stoned him
with stones, and burned them with fire, after they had stoned them
with stones. And they raised over him a great heap of stones to this
day. So the LORD turned from the fierceness of his anger: wherefore
the name of that place was called the valley of Achor to this day.
(Joshua 7:19-26 Webster's Bible)

Kill Followers of Other Religions

While the Israelites were camped at Acacia, some of the men
defiled themselves by sleeping with the local Moabite women. These
women invited them to attend sacrifices to their gods, and soon the
Israelites were feasting with them and worshiping the gods of Moab.
Before long Israel was joining in the worship of Baal of Peor, causing
the LORD's anger to blaze against his people. The LORD issued the
following command to Moses: "Seize all the ringleaders and execute
them before the LORD in broad daylight, so his fierce anger will turn
away from the people of Israel." So Moses ordered Israel's judges to
execute everyone who had joined in worshiping Baal of Peor. Just then
one of the Israelite men brought a Midianite woman into the camp,
right before the eyes of Moses and all the people, as they were
weeping at the entrance of the Tabernacle. When Phinehas son of
Eleazar and grandson of Aaron the priest saw this, he jumped up and
left the assembly. Then he took a spear and rushed after the man into
his tent. Phinehas thrust the spear all the way through the man's body
and into the woman's stomach. So the plague against the Israelites
was stopped, but not before 24,000 people had died. (Numbers 25:1-9
NLT)

Murder

At the customary time for offering the evening sacrifice, Elijah
the prophet walked up to the altar and prayed, "O LORD, God of
Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob, prove today that you are God in Israel and
that I am your servant. Prove that I have done all this at your
command. O LORD, answer me! Answer me so these people will know that
you, O LORD, are God and that you have brought them back to
yourself." Immediately the fire of the LORD flashed down from heaven
and burned up the young bull, the wood, the stones, and the dust. It
even licked up all the water in the ditch! And when the people saw
it, they fell on their faces and cried out, "The LORD is God! The
LORD is God!" Then Elijah commanded, "Seize all the prophets of
Baal. Don't let a single one escape!" So the people seized them all,
and Elijah took them down to the Kishon Valley and killed them there.
(1 Kings 18:36-40 NLT)

Kill All of Babylon

"Go up, my warriors, against the land of Merathaim and against the
people of Pekod. Yes, march against Babylon, the land of rebels, a
land that I will judge! Pursue, kill, and completely destroy them, as
I have commanded you," says the LORD. "Let the battle cry be heard in
the land, a shout of great destruction". (Jeremiah 50:21-22 NLT)

Micah Kills a Whole Town

Then, with Micah's idols and his priest, the men of Dan came to
the town of Laish, whose people were peaceful and secure. They
attacked and killed all the people and burned the town to the ground.
There was no one to rescue the residents of the town, for they lived a
great distance from Sidon and had no allies nearby. This happened in
the valley near Beth-rehob.Then the people of the tribe of Dan rebuilt
the town and lived there. They renamed the town Dan after their
ancestor, Israel's son, but it had originally been called Laish.
(Judges 18:27-29 NLT) (Note that God approves of this slaughter in
verse 6.)

Martin

"And a new command I give you. Love one another." John chapter 15.
http://www.truthandgrace.com/Bible.htm
The legacy of atheistic communism is murder. Stalin murdered 30
million of his own people.
.
User: "The Apostate"

Title: Re: Bible promotes murder (was Re: Iowa State Promotes Atheist Professor Who Equates Bible with Mein Kampf While Denying Tenure to ID Astronomer 31 May 2007 11:31:03 AM
"Infidel" <summeroverwinter@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:1180620401.145786.126660@j4g2000prf.googlegroups.com...
The legacy of atheistic communism is murder. Stalin murdered 30
million of his own people.
Why did he murder them? Because they believed in a god or were a different
religion?
.
User: "Robert"

Title: Re: Bible promotes murder (was Re: Iowa State Promotes Atheist Professor Who Equates Bible with Mein Kampf While Denying Tenure to ID Astronomer 31 May 2007 05:34:32 PM
On Thu, 31 May 2007 11:31:03 -0500, "The Apostate"
<durondae_@_hotpop.com> wrote:


"Infidel" <summeroverwinter@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:1180620401.145786.126660@j4g2000prf.googlegroups.com...

The legacy of atheistic communism is murder. Stalin murdered 30
million of his own people.


Why did he murder them? Because they believed in a god or were a different
religion?

No, because they insisted that he believe as they believed, and obey
their orders. Stalin did not kill all of those people he was supported
by millions of rebels fed up by the abuse heaped on them by
Christians. Ten of thousand were drug into the street and beaten to
death, by the rebelling victims of abuse. Had the rebellion failed
millions of heretics would have faced the same fate, millions of
Russians were murdered every year by the Christian that were killed by
followers of Stalin
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User: "Mike Painter"

Title: Re: Bible promotes murder (was Re: Iowa State Promotes Atheist Professor Who Equates Bible with Mein Kampf While Denying Tenure to ID Astronomer 31 May 2007 12:47:46 PM
Infidel wrote:
<snip>

"And a new command I give you. Love one another." John chapter 15.

Which in no way changes the fact that Jesus said the old law was still in
effect and must be followed.
.

User: "Duwaynea Anderson"

Title: Re: Bible promotes murder (was Re: Iowa State Promotes Atheist Professor Who Equates Bible with Mein Kampf While Denying Tenure to ID Astronomer 31 May 2007 10:36:58 AM
On May 31, 7:06 am, Infidel <summeroverwin...@yahoo.com> wrote:

On May 30, 10:29 pm, Martin Phipps <martinphip...@yahoo.com> wrote:

<snip>


"And a new command I give you. Love one another." John chapter 15.

http://www.truthandgrace.com/Bible.htm

Wouldn't it be wonderful if everyone applied this advice to everyone
else in the whole world? Unfortunately, it's been my experience that
most folks apply the advice to their clan (country, races, church,
country club, etc.) but not universally to all of humanity.
Unfortunately that's not how it usually works.
The other day I was having lunch with my Principal Engineer who is
East Indian. As many of our lunches go, we discussed world problems
and world peace in particular. We came to the joint conclusion that
we can't expect world peace until the people of the world start
grieving for the deaths of innocents whether or not those people
belong to their clan. As long as we value the lives of our fellow
clan members more than the lives of people in other clans, world peace
will only be a dream.
Unfortunately, religion is a major definer of clannishness. We have a
"Christian" president who seems to value American and Christian life
more than the lives of Islamic children who are easily characterized
as "collateral damage." Of course such evil exists on both sides of
the divide, with Islamic militants valuing the lives of innocent
"Christians" less than they value the lives of their own. One finds
the same situation between Israel and the Palestinians, with each side
valuing the lives on the other side a little less than those of their
clan.
All these groups "love one another" within the context of their clan.
But few clans truly value and love the members of other clans as much
as their own.

The legacy of atheistic communism is murder. Stalin murdered 30
million of his own people.

It's a logical fallacy to say "so and so is an atheist, so and so does
bad things, so atheism is bad." Similarly, it's a logical fallacy to
say "so and so is a Mormon, so and so does bad things, so Mormonism is
bad." If you want to make the connection between a bad person and a
bad religion or philosophy then you have to show that the bad person
did his bad stuff *because* of his religion or philosophy.
Stalin was an atheist and a murderer. George Bush is a Christian and
a war criminal. The difference, I think, is that Stalin didn't murder
*because* he was an atheist. His atheism had little, if anything, to
do with his motivation. George Bush, on the other hand, claims that
his religious beliefs guide him in his state policy. So with Bush we
have the very real possibility that his war crimes are a direct result
of his religious beliefs.
Duwayne Anderson
Author of "Farewell to Eden: Coming to terms with Mormonism and
science"
American Quarter Horse: The ultimate all-terrain vehicle
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User: "Robert"

Title: Re: Bible promotes murder (was Re: Iowa State Promotes Atheist Professor Who Equates Bible with Mein Kampf While Denying Tenure to ID Astronomer 31 May 2007 03:27:13 PM
On 31 May 2007 08:36:58 -0700, Duwaynea Anderson
<DuwayneAnderson@gmail.com> wrote:

Stalin was an atheist and a murderer. George Bush is a Christian and
a war criminal. The difference, I think, is that Stalin didn't murder
*because* he was an atheist.

Stalin over threw a Russian Orthodox Christian theocracy, with a
Czar that ruled the empire with the consent and advice of the Church.
He had enough followers that were fed up with the cruelty of the
Church, to prevail. The Christians he "murdered" were supporters, of
the church and the Czar. Men that would and did "murder" millions of
Russians that opposed the rule or refused to support the church/Czar.
Unfortunately Communism was almost as bad as the Theocracy it
replaced.
--
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User: "CE"

Title: Re: Bible promotes murder (was Re: Iowa State Promotes Atheist Professor Who Equates Bible with Mein Kampf While Denying Tenure to ID Astronomer 31 May 2007 03:17:31 PM
On May 31, 2:29 am, Martin Phipps <martinphip...@yahoo.com> wrote:

http://www.evilbible.com/Murder.htm

Murder in the Bible

The act of murder is rampant in the Bible. In much of the Bible,
especially the Old Testament, there are laws that command that people
be killed for absurd reasons such as working on the Sabbath, being
gay, cursing your parents, or not being a virgin on your wedding
night. In addition to these crazy and immoral laws, there are plenty
of examples of God's irrationality by his direct killing of many
people for reasons that defy any rational explanation such as killing
children who make fun of bald people, and the killing of a man who
tried to keep the ark of God from falling during transport. There are
also countless examples of mass murders commanded by God, including
the murder of women, infants, and children.

The following passages are a very small percentage of the total
passages approving of murder in the Bible. They are divided here into
three parts: 1) Capital Punishment Crimes, 2) God's Murders for Stupid
Reasons, 3) Murdering Children, and 4) Miscellaneous Murders. This
list is long, but it barely scratches the surface of all the murders
approved of in the Bible.

And the problem is?
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