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"Bill Baker" |
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16 Apr 2005 03:15:07 PM |
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Iowa's Republican Senators: "We Hate Gays" |
http://www.365gay.com/newscon05/04/041505iowaBully.htm
Iowa GOP Moves To Block Gay Bully Law
(Des Moines, Iowa) Republicans in the Iowa Senate say they will use "every
method that's legal" to block legislation adding sexuality to a law aimed
at curbing bullying in schools.
The bill died earlier this month in committee (story) but was resurrected
Thursday.
Because the 50 member Senate is tied with 25 Republicans and 25 Democrats
each committee has two chairs, and both must sign off on which measures
will be debated.
Senate co-President Jeff Lamberti (R-Ankeny) said he will use the
situation to prevent the bill from coming to the floor for a vote.
Republican Senate Leader Stewart Iverson agreed to the move.
State law requires school boards to have a policy on bullying, but the GOP
said including sexuality in the policy would "create special rights".
The bill would require public and private schools to add harassment
prevention goals to their school improvement plans by Jan. 1, 2006. It
specifically identifies intimidation based on age, race, religion,
national origin, gender and sexual orientation.
Not all Republicans are in favor of Stonewalling the legislation. Sen.
Mary Lundby (R-Marion) said harassment of students is too important to
Iowa parents for the bill to die again without further debate.
Democratic Gov. Tom Vilsack condemned the GOP move. Vilsack has been a
strong supporter of strict bullying policies. "We're going to continue the
effort," Vilsack said in an interview with The Des Moines Register.
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| User: "Gregory Gadow" |
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| Title: Re: Iowa's Republican Senators: "We Hate Gays" |
18 Apr 2005 08:52:55 AM |
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Bill Baker wrote:
http://www.365gay.com/newscon05/04/041505iowaBully.htm
Iowa GOP Moves To Block Gay Bully Law
- snip -
State law requires school boards to have a policy on bullying, but the GOP
said including sexuality in the policy would "create special rights".
I have to ask... do rules prohibiting racially motivated harassment "create
special rights" for blacks?
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Gregory Gadow
techbear@serv.net
http://www.serv.net/~techbear
"[T]hose who deny freedom to others deserve it not for themselves;
and, under the rule of a just God, cannot long retain it."
-- Pres. George W. Bush, Hypocrite, his inauguration speech, 2005
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| User: "Antagonist for God" |
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| Title: Re: Iowa's Republican Senators: "We Hate Gays" |
18 Apr 2005 09:41:48 AM |
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On Mon, 18 Apr 2005 06:52:55 -0700, Gregory Gadow
<techbear@serv.net> spake thusly:
Bill Baker wrote:
http://www.365gay.com/newscon05/04/041505iowaBully.htm
Iowa GOP Moves To Block Gay Bully Law
- snip -
State law requires school boards to have a policy on bullying, but the GOP
said including sexuality in the policy would "create special rights".
I have to ask... do rules prohibiting racially motivated harassment "create
special rights" for blacks?
If the laws are not equally applied to whites who are
attacked by blacks, yes.
The thing here is, ones skin color is not an action,
nor does it mean promoting a lifestyle. A school
should teach a non-violent attitude toward all people,
including gays. Where it gets taken too far, is when
the schools promote the actions of gays as being good.
I.e., I have no problem with laws against being violent
with gays (we do have laws for assault already). I do
however, have a problem, with any school making a moral
judgment in my place and teaching my child that what
they do is not a bad thing.
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Antagonist for God
Silence in the Face of Doctrinal Criticism is Suicide
http://www.ecclesia.org/truth/solution.html
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| User: "Dennis Kemmerer" |
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| Title: Re: Iowa's Republican Senators: "We Hate Gays" |
18 Apr 2005 11:37:40 AM |
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"Antagonist for God" <news-group-mail@nospam-tampa-bay.rr.com> wrote in
message news:ijh761l1gjkk9148hnqkkjms7oqf16jmln@4ax.com...
[snip]
The thing here is, ones skin color is not an action,
Neither is sexual orientation. Unless you're saying that you're (presumably)
heterosexual only when you're having sex.
nor does it mean promoting a lifestyle.
Here's your chance to be the first to successfully define this 'gay
lifestyle' thing I've been hearing so much about. Be sure to compare and
contrast it with the presumed 'heterosexual lifestyle.'
A school
should teach a non-violent attitude toward all people,
including gays. Where it gets taken too far, is when
the schools promote the actions of gays as being good.
I.e., I have no problem with laws against being violent
with gays (we do have laws for assault already). I do
however, have a problem, with any school making a moral
judgment in my place and teaching my child that what
they do is not a bad thing.
What is it that 'they' do?
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| User: "Jon." |
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| Title: Re: Iowa's Republican Senators: "We Hate Gays" |
18 Apr 2005 12:19:15 PM |
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Antagonist for God wrote:
On Mon, 18 Apr 2005 06:52:55 -0700, Gregory Gadow
<techbear@serv.net> spake thusly:
Bill Baker wrote:
http://www.365gay.com/newscon05/04/041505iowaBully.htm
Iowa GOP Moves To Block Gay Bully Law
- snip -
State law requires school boards to have a policy on bullying, but
the GOP
said including sexuality in the policy would "create special
rights".
I have to ask... do rules prohibiting racially motivated harassment
"create
special rights" for blacks?
If the laws are not equally applied to whites who are
attacked by blacks, yes.
The thing here is, ones skin color is not an action,
nor does it mean promoting a lifestyle. A school
should teach a non-violent attitude toward all people,
including gays. Where it gets taken too far, is when
the schools promote the actions of gays as being good.
Being gay is not an action, any more than being straight is. Being gay
does not promote a lifestyle any more than being black does.
I.e., I have no problem with laws against being violent
with gays (we do have laws for assault already). I do
however, have a problem, with any school making a moral
judgment in my place and teaching my child that what
they do is not a bad thing.
Surely saying that sexual orientation should not be included as a
prohibited motivation for harassment is making a moral judgment? Let's
get real here. What these people are trying to say is that it's worse
to bully someone for being black than it is to bully someone for being
gay. That allows for persecution based on identity, not on actions.
Jon.
aa #703
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| User: "quibbler" |
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| Title: Re: Iowa's Republican Senators: "We Hate Gays" |
16 Apr 2005 11:37:06 PM |
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In article <pan.2005.04.16.20.14.54.892979@postini.spamcon.org>,
wbaker@postini.spamcon.org says...
the GOP
said including sexuality in the policy would "create special rights".
Yes, and allowing blacks to sit in the front of the bus also would
create "special rights" I suppose. They have no problem, however,
inventing special rights for churches and special sanction for their
fanatic religious beliefs.
--
Quibbler (quibbler247atyahoo.com)
"It is fashionable to wax apocalyptic about the
threat to humanity posed by the AIDS virus, 'mad cow'
disease, and many others, but I think a case can be
made that faith is one of the world's great evils,
comparable to the smallpox virus but harder to
eradicate." -- Richard Dawkins
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| User: "NC" |
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| Title: Re: Iowa's Republican Senators: "We Hate Gays" |
17 Apr 2005 12:26:06 PM |
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quibbler <quibbler247@yahoo.com> wrote in
news:MPG.1ccb95e1384e0c23989692@news.readfreenews.net:
In article <pan.2005.04.16.20.14.54.892979@postini.spamcon.org>,
wbaker@postini.spamcon.org says...
the GOP
said including sexuality in the policy would "create special rights".
Yes, and allowing blacks to sit in the front of the bus also would
create "special rights" I suppose. They have no problem, however,
inventing special rights for churches and special sanction for their
fanatic religious beliefs.
And if this article is accurate, the bill simply says 'sexual
orientation'. Do the boneheads not realize that includes everyone?
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| User: "stoney" |
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| Title: Re: Iowa's Republican Senators: "We Hate Gays" |
18 Apr 2005 06:53:50 PM |
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On Sun, 17 Apr 2005 17:26:06 GMT, NC <ncfake@ffs.ntrlly.net> wrote:
quibbler <quibbler247@yahoo.com> wrote in
news:MPG.1ccb95e1384e0c23989692@news.readfreenews.net:
In article <pan.2005.04.16.20.14.54.892979@postini.spamcon.org>,
wbaker@postini.spamcon.org says...
the GOP
said including sexuality in the policy would "create special rights".
Yes, and allowing blacks to sit in the front of the bus also would
create "special rights" I suppose. They have no problem, however,
inventing special rights for churches and special sanction for their
fanatic religious beliefs.
And if this article is accurate, the bill simply says 'sexual
orientation'. Do the boneheads not realize that includes everyone?
That requires a capability they don't have-the capability to think.
--
Contempt of Congress meter reading-offscale.
Hello, theocracy with a fundamentalist US Supreme
Court who will ensure church and state are joined
at the hip like clergy and altar boys.
America 1776-Jan 2001 RIP
Religion is the original war crime.
-Michelle Malkin (Feb 26, 2005)
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| User: "Bill Baker" |
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| Title: Re: Iowa's Republican Senators: "We Hate Gays" |
16 Apr 2005 09:06:18 PM |
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On Sat, 16 Apr 2005 21:43:53 -0400, Paul Duca <p.duca@comcast.net> wrote
in message news:<BE873798.193FB%p.duca@comcast.net>...
in article 1113683211.258466.28560@o13g2000cwo.googlegroups.com,
at wrote on 4/16/05 4:26 PM:
Bill Baker wrote:
http://www.365gay.com/newscon05/04/041505iowaBully.htm
Iowa GOP Moves To Block Gay Bully Law
(Des Moines, Iowa) Republicans in the Iowa Senate say they will use
"every method that's legal" to block legislation adding sexuality to a
law aimed at curbing bullying in schools.
Sure, Republians would let Republican children beat the s**t out of any
gay kid.
[But if the child were injured enough to be comatose THEN Republicans
would demand that the kid be provided food and water for ever, even at
taxpayer expense.]
No, only if he were straight...they'd be happy to pull the plug
or tube on some filthy homo.
Sad but true.
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Lurlean Lie #14:
Sometimes the ground opens up beneath gay bars and swallows them clean up.
news:7908c278.0402181855.34315917@posting.google.com
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