maff wrote:

j.m.1491@gmx.net wrote:

maff wrote:

j.m.1491@gmx.net wrote:

maff wrote:

j.m.1491@gmx.net wrote:

maff wrote:

j.m.1491@gmx.net wrote:

johac wrote:

What the loonies are up to now.

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Iran daily holds contest for Holocaust cartoons

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Isn't it telling that when a DANISH newspaper, owned by DANES, ed=

DANES, publishes cartoons drawn by DANES, later the cartoons are
reprinted by EUROPEAN and other WESTERN newspapers, including one=

by an EGYPTIAN, but the cartoons are never printed in ISRAEL, the
Muslims start to hit at the JEWS?

Now, who is the hypocritical, racist anti-semit?

BTW, I truly hope that all Western newspapers print the Iranian
cartoons, right next to the Danish cartoons. I think it would be =

only their right, but their duty to inform the citizens of their
countries about what the Muslim 'culture' is really about.

Jyllands-Posten
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.atheism/msg/c471a4ccad09ed52


Danish People's Party
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.atheism/msg/e6b87a6171bab259

Flemming Rose
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.atheism/msg/4b8aa7dc20a58bdd

j.m.
#1491

Would you perhaps start telling us what you want to say instead of
expectin us to look through your older links, which in itself flink=

to older links of yours, which in itself most likly link to older l=

and so on.


http://www.socialistworker.co.uk/article.php?article_id=3D8274

socialistworker opinion-piece, great. It's OPINION, it has been
published in a western society. Free speech seems to work here. Doe=

in Muslim countries?

And why did I need to dig two post down to find something resemblin=

relevance?

Quote:
"One cartoon purported to show the prophet Mohammed with a bomb in =

turban, another showed him on a cloud, greeting dead suicide bombers
with the words: "Stop, stop, we have run out of virgins!"

The racist provocation by Jyllands-Posten is just the latest episod=

the paper's right wing history."

Explain, how is criticism of Muslims, showing the link betwen the
founder of this religion and their current violence, racist? Where =

RACE enter in this. Or is it the turban? Is it illegitimate to link=

violent behaviour of the Muslim to the order to go out and conquer =

slay the infidel, an order given to them by their prophet?

http://images.theglobeandmail.com/v5/images/newspaper/20060206/sect=

Is this
a) not a Muslim?
b) not a turban?
c) not a burning embassy?

Do you believe that showing images like this, even if they are draw=

are racist?
Then why do you think that hiting the JEWS, who where not involved =

this until a Iranian newspaper drags them in, is not racist?

AND:
Do you truly believe that refusal of one individual newspaper to pu=

OPINIONS they do not share is an indication that the DANISH are rac=

or evidence that the whole thing is a JEWISH conspiracy?

I'm looking forward to you links as reply. That's the only thing yo=

do: Post links to other peoples OPINION. Must be nice, to be able to
backpadle by saing 'I didn't say that'.

"The racist provocation by Jyllands-Posten is just the latest episode
in the paper's right wing history.

When the fascist Benito =ADMussolini came to power in Italy in 1922,=

paper wrote, "The very strong man, that Mussolini absolutely is, is
exactly what the misruled Italian people need."

In 1933 the paper argued for dictatorship in Denmark, saying, "We
must assume that a majority of the voters wish for dictatorship as t=

only solution to the administration of the state."

More recently, Jyllands-Posten has lent its support to right wing
forces in Danish politics. On 16 March 1992 Henrik Christenson, a
leading member of Socialist Worker's sister organisation in Denmark
was killed by a bomb planted by Nazis. The right wing press in Denma=

initially claimed that =ADHenrik had been making explosives.

In the 2001 election, Jyllands-Posten played a crucial role in suppo=

of the victorious right wing Venstre party. It has since supported t=

governing coalition led by prime minister Anders Fogh Rasmussen -
which includes the rabidly anti-immigrant and =ADanti-Muslim Danish
People's Party.

A number of its journalists have been employed as "spin doctors" by
the government."

j.m.
#1491

Second reply:

using your usual "throw what someone else wrote at him" strategy,
you have not answered even one of my questions:


So, I'm sking again:

Explain, how is criticism of Muslims, showing the link betwen the
founder of this religion and their current violence, racist? Where do=

RACE enter in this. Or is it the turban? Is it illegitimate to link t=

violent behaviour of the Muslim to the order to go out and conquer and
slay the infidel, an order given to them by their prophet?

http://images.theglobeandmail.com/v5/images/newspaper/20060206/sectio=

Is this
a) not a Muslim?
b) not a turban?
c) not a burning embassy?

Do you truly believe that refusal of one individual newspaper to publ=

OPINIONS they do not share is an indication that the DANISH are racis=

or evidence that the whole thing is a JEWISH conspiracy?

So why don't you ask Danish businesses?

Because no Danish business has posted to a.a, in reply to my posts, that
the J-P cartoons are racist. Hence, I ask the person who made this
accusation to answer this question:

"Explain, how is criticism of Muslims, showing the link between the
founder of this religion and their current violence, racist? Where does
RACE enter in this. Or is it the turban? Is it illegitimate to link the
violent behavior of the Muslim to the order to go out and conquer and
slay the infidel, an order given to them by their prophet?"

From the reaction of this person I see that this person is unable to
answer the question. I have to assume that he made the accusation that
the cartoons are racist without having looked at them, like most of the
Muslims now burning embassies.

I think the person who made the accusation that the cartoons are racist
has lost all credibility by refusing to even try to explain where the
racism comes in.

The request to ask a randomly picked Danish business to explain why this
person thinks the cartoons are racist is in my opinion a act of
desperation of this person.

They aren't prepared to pay for
Danish People's Party and allies's fascism.

Considering that you have not provided any evidence that this parties
are racist and fascists in response to the requests made, and
considering that you call the cartoons racist but are unable to back up
your accusation with a simple explanation of your interpretation, I
think this statement of yours is baseless drivel to hide your
incompetence to back up your claims.

I could now ask you what the 'Danish People Party' has to do with the
cartoons, but this would be pointless, right?

It was a set up job by Christian and neoconfascists.

I have asked you again and again to provide evidence for your claims.

You don't.

This speaks for itself.

After all, they
refused to publish cartoons lampooning Jesus.

Explain to me why in your understanding of freedom of expression one has
to publish everything offered to you in order to be allowed to publish
anything at all?

You knew of course that the cartoonist drawing the Christian pictures
you are talking about sent them unasked, was not a commentator for J-P
ever before, and wanted to have them printed on Easter?

My source: http://www.spiegel.de/politik/ausland/0,1518,399818,00.html

I'll add that the editor Jens Kaiser now claims to have rejected the
drawings in 2003 because they where bad, but even I question this claim.

I'll add that the editor responsible for the Islamic cartoons is known
by the name of Carsten Juste and not by the name of Jens Kaiser.

And I can and will add that the Muslim rage is directed against all of
Denmark. To justify this the minimum you have to show is that nothing
'lampooning Jesus' was ever published in Denmark. Considering that 'Life
of Brian' was shown, you are OUT.

I think you are accusing everybody not agreeing with you racist. In
response to the question 'Name a Danish fascist party' you named every
single party in Denmark. It must be nice to be the only non-fascist
person on the planet.

Flemming Rose is a well known

Terry Pratchett calls terms like 'clearly', 'well known', 'obviously'
and 'as any fool can plainly see' /wall-paper words/.

This comes form the fact (another wall-paper word; see, I can do it
too!) that they are commonly (See, another one!) used to disguise that
things are not 'well known', but try to intimidate the reader into not
questioning the statement in order to avoid looking stupid.

It doesn't work. I have no fear to look stupid because I ask for
evidence for a claim. Not everywhere, and definitely (another one!) not
here in this forum. This newsgroup would not exist if the people here
would not ask for evidence.

So tell us, how is it well-known?

Ohh, let me give maffs answer, may I, I know how to do that:

maff says http://www.google.ca/search?hl=3Den&q=3DFlemming+Rose

Christian

So, a Christian drawing Muslims as violent it 'racist',

HOWEVER:

The atheist maff accusing a Christian to be a fascist is guaranteed by
the right to freedom of expression and very proper!

and neocon fascist.

Evidence?
Ahh, not from maff. Accusations are enough!

Wait, wait:
Maff says http://www.google.ca/search?hl=3Den&q=3DFlemming+Rose+Neocon
which leads directly to the well known and very credible website of
http://www.savethemales.ca/

Why do you
think Danish troops are in Iraq?

Because YOUR president lied to the Danes about the existence of chemical
and biological weapons in Iraq?
Because YOUR country threatened every European state with negative
consequences to their economy if they don't provide troops?
Because YOUR country promised a quick solution?
Because YOUR country wanted the oil?
Because YOUR country was scared of the evil Saddam?
Because YOUR country promised economic rewards?
Because YOUR country ...

Hey, I could go on with this for pages! I can construct true statements,
I an twist true events, I can exaggerate, I can just extrapolate, I can
accuse and lie like you. But whatever I do, the responsibility for
DANISH troops in Iraq, in order of importance, will remain:

The (majority of the) citizens of the UNITED STATES OF AMERICA,
including the individual known as MAFF.
President George W. Bush, as (elected) President of the UNITED STATES OF
AMERICA.
THE HOUSE AND SENATE OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA, for allowing Pres.
G. W. Bush to invade Iraq whenever he thinks it is necessary.
The secret service agencies of the UNITED STATES OF AMERICA for
exaggeration and misinterpretation of evidence regarding the existence
of WMD in Iraq.
The (majority of the) citizens of the UNITED KINGDOM.
Prime Minister Tony Blair, for providing the UNITED STATES OF AMERICA a
willing partner during preparation and execution of the invasion.
The secret service agencies of the UNITED KINGDOM for exaggerating,
fabricating and misinterpreting evidence regarding the existence of WMD
in Iraq.
The (former) president of Iraq, SADDAM HUSSEIN, for refusing to
cooperate with United Nation inspectors, refusing to follow United
Nation Security Council resolutions, and maintaining the impression he
is in possession of WMD, while having none at all.

I may have left some people out, but somewhere down the line we find

The (majority of the) citizens of the KINGDOM OF DENMARK.
The government of the KINGDOM OF DENMARK under Prime Minister Anders
Fogh Rasmussen for falling for the lies and promises of the UNITED
STATES OF AMERICA and the UNITED KINGDOM.


Does this answer your question? Do you need some links about in what
countries the Iraq war was planed? Do you need some evidence about who
is contributing the majority of troops, money and other resources, and
who has the greatest economic benefit from the exploitation of Iraqi
resources and the sale of weapons?

Here, let me do what you do:
http://www.google.ca/search?hl=3Den&q=3DIraq+war+plan

First link coming up is titled:
"Bush Began to Plan War Three Months After 9/11 (washingtonpost.com)"
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A17347-2004Apr16.html

Does this answer your question why the Danes are in Iraq?

Of course, you can always enlist in
the Christan fascist Crusade. How long do you think US tax payers are
going to pay more than $2 trillion dollars?

Your concern with MONEY over essential freedoms and human life is noted.

Again.

You wail like a neo-con whenever someone goes to your money.

I'm wondering why you are blaming DENMARK for the decision of YOUR
country to invade Iraq. What world are you living in?

http://www.google.com/search?num=3D100&hl=3Den&lr=3D&q=3Dstiglitz+trill=

^^^^^^^
Ohhh, my gods, the guy thinks the number of google hits DISPLAYED
increases the credibility of his search string. This is worse than the
Christian incorrupt body guy who counted total number of hits. :(

Maff, this link, as your whole post, is a non-sequitur and evasive
tactics considering that my request was:

"Explain, how is criticism of Muslims, showing the link between the
founder of this religion and their current violence, racist? Where does
RACE enter in this. Or is it the turban? Is it illegitimate to link the
violent behavio