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08 Feb 2006 01:33:01 AM |
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Iran daily holds contest for Holocaust cartoons |
What the loonies are up to now.
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Iran daily holds contest for Holocaust cartoons
Tue Feb 7, 1:24 PM ET
Iran's best-selling newspaper has launched a competition to find the
best cartoon about the Holocaust in retaliation for the publication in
many European countries of caricatures of the Prophet Mohammad.
The Brussels-based Conference of European Rabbis (CER) denounced the
idea and urged the Muslim world to do likewise.
The Anti-Defamation League, which fights anti-Semitism, described the
competition as "deliberately inflammatory."
The Iranian daily Hamshahri said the contest was designed to test the
boundaries of free speech -- the reason given by many European
newspapers for publishing the cartoons of the Prophet.
"Does Western free speech allow working on issues like America and
Israel's crimes or an incident like the Holocaust or is this freedom of
speech only good for insulting the holy values of divine religions?" the
paper asked.
Davoud Kazemi, who is in charge of the contest, told Reuters that each
of the 12 winners would have their cartoons published and receive two
gold coins (worth about $140 each) as a prize.
In Paris, CER President Joseph Sitruk, who is also Chief Rabbi of
France, said: "The Iranian regime has plummeted to new depths if it
regards the deaths of six million Jews as a matter for humor or to score
cheap political points.
"Sadly, we are not surprised by this action," he said, recalling Iranian
President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad's calls last year for Israel to be "wiped
off the map" and his dismissal of the Holocaust as a myth.
In a statement issued by the CER, which represents chief rabbis from
over 40 European countries, Sitruk said the Iranian government menaced
Jews and the whole international community.
Sitruk noted that European religious leaders had condemned the
publication of images likely to offend Muslim feelings.
"This is a test for the Muslim world to react immediately to condemn
their own co-religionists in Iran for such obscene behavior as we
condemned those who sought to insult them," he said.
Iranian protesters hurled petrol bombs and stones at the Danish Embassy
in Tehran for a second successive day on Tuesday and Tehran announced it
had cut all trade ties with Denmark.
A Danish newspaper published the cartoons in September, and newspapers
in Norway and a dozen other countries reprinted them last month, citing
the need to defend freedom of speech.
Arieh O'Sullivan, spokesman for the Anti-Defamation League's Israel
office, said it was committed to free speech and a free press but that
did not mean a license to foster hatred.
"What bothers us this incident has been used by the Arab world basically
as an excuse to stick it to the Jews," he said.
"Iran is doing a dare to see how free the press is in Europe. This is
deliberately inflammatory," O'Sullivan said, accusing newspapers in the
Arab and Muslim world of frequently running cartoons of Jews that
recalled Nazi propaganda.
In Belgium, a radical Muslim group based in Antwerp began publishing
cartoons on its Web site which it also said were intended to challenge
European taboos and highlight inconsistency in the European approach to
freedom of speech.
They included a cartoon of Nazi dictator Adolf Hitler in bed with Anne
Frank, a Jewish girl whose wartime diary written in hiding in Amsterdam
is a worldwide best-seller, and another that questioned whether 6
million Jews died in the Holocaust.
"If it is the time to break taboos and cross all the red lines, we
certainly do not want to stay behind," the Arab European League said on
its Web site (www.arabeuropean.org).
Belgian Prime Minister Guy Verhofstadt accused the group of fuelling
riots in Antwerp in November, 2002. The group's leader, Dyab Abou
Jahjah, was briefly arrested at the time. He ran unsuccessfully for
parliament in 2003.
(Additional reporting by Tom Heneghan in Paris, Allyn Fisher-Ilan in
Jerusalem and Paul Taylor in Brussels)
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| User: "L. Raymond" |
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10 Feb 2006 01:49:12 AM |
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L. Raymond wrote:
I'm using "just" as an adverb, not a noun.
^^^^
How embarrassing. I meant adjective, not noun. Like you, I'm must be
too tired to continue tonight.
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| User: "Mike Smith" |
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10 Feb 2006 09:40:19 AM |
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"L. Raymond" <badaddress@mylinuxisp.com> wrote:
How embarrassing. I meant adjective, not noun.
Like you, I'm must be too tired to continue tonight.
"I'm must" ? :-)
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| User: "" |
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10 Feb 2006 09:24:16 AM |
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L. Raymond wrote:
L. Raymond wrote:
I'm using "just" as an adverb, not a noun.
^^^^
How embarrassing. I meant adjective, not noun. Like you, I'm must be
too tired to continue tonight.
Semantics is such a nice thing. Couldn't language be as clear as math?
j.m.
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| User: "Matt Silberstein" |
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10 Feb 2006 04:47:29 PM |
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On Thu, 9 Feb 2006 15:06:53 -0600, in alt.atheism , "L. Raymond"
<badaddress@mylinuxisp.com> in
<wdhp8k03fk27.1lj3yp9jz77rs$.dlg@40tude.net> wrote:
[snip]
The proper question is, what other event, person or philosophy can you
mock that will have as great an impact on Western nations as mocking
the Holocaust? Europe is too secular to be much affected by lampooning
Christianity these days, and in the U.S. the majority is too jaded to
care. Catholics are pretty blase about abusing the Pope. I imagine
members of the CoE wouldn't care if you attacked the Archbishop of
Canterbury. Events? The only two things I can think of that could
possibly provoke even a little widespread outrage in the West would be
belittling the Holocaust or the atomic bomb blasts in Japan. Given the
editors are responding to a religious cartoon, only the Holocaust is
relevant.
Perhaps since Iran was already engaged in its Holocaust denial
conference they had material available.
[snip]
They're just trying to make use of what they perceive as a massive
source of international guilt.
Do you actually believe that?
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Matt Silberstein
Do something today about the Darfur Genocide
http://www.beawitness.org
http://www.darfurgenocide.org
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| User: "stoney" |
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09 Feb 2006 01:52:26 PM |
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On Wed, 08 Feb 2006 15:42:51 -0500, "j.m.1491@gmx.net"
<j.m.1491@gmx.net> wrote in alt.atheism
L. Raymond wrote:
j.m.1491@gmx.net wrote:
johac wrote:
What the loonies are up to now.
Iran daily holds contest for Holocaust cartoons
<snip>
Isn't it telling that when a DANISH newspaper, owned by DANES, edited by
DANES, publishes cartoons drawn by DANES, later the cartoons are
reprinted by EUROPEAN and other WESTERN newspapers, including one owned
by an EGYPTIAN, but the cartoons are never printed in ISRAEL, the
Muslims start to hit at the JEWS?
It's actually a very reasonable action which a lot of people don't
seem to understand. The offended Moslems know perfectly well that the
subject most likely to trigger outrage in the West is to make light of
the Holocaust. I agree with them that this is the one issue that is
almost guaranteed to upset a large portion of the West.
In other words, it's a tit-for-tat reaction, and they're trying to
upset non-Moslem Europeans as much as they have been upset themselves.
Let me give an example:
Person A insults person B. Person C, D and E are standing a little to
the side, but are know to associate with person A.
Person B insults person C in the hope to hit person A. Persons D and E
are left alone.
Coincidentialy, person B expressed in the past to hate person C, and
would like to be friendly with person D and E.
Now, I do have to agree: If the objective is to hurt person A, yes, that
will do it. I'm adding that it is likely that the choice of retaliation
was not only motivated by the original insult, but also by the already
existing hatred against person C.
I'm asking the question:
Is it justified to insult people I associate with in order to get at me?
Is it justified to single out ONE of my friends, but not all the others?
Can I start wondering if there was more motivation behind the choice of
target than the retaliation against me?
I'd have no problem with Iran mocking Jesus as retaliation. I'd have no
problem with Iran mocking famous atheists as retaliation. I'm wondering
what was the motivation to go after the Jews, and not after the Indians,
the Japanese or the Chinese? Could it be the hateful attitude against
the Jews? Personally, I think so.
Agreed.
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shove a wooden cross up their arses and rotate
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| User: "wbarwell" |
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08 Feb 2006 08:49:41 PM |
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L. Raymond wrote:
j.m.1491@gmx.net wrote:
johac wrote:
What the loonies are up to now.
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Iran daily holds contest for Holocaust cartoons
<snip>
Isn't it telling that when a DANISH newspaper, owned by DANES, edited
by DANES, publishes cartoons drawn by DANES, later the cartoons are
reprinted by EUROPEAN and other WESTERN newspapers, including one
owned by an EGYPTIAN, but the cartoons are never printed in ISRAEL,
the Muslims start to hit at the JEWS?
It's actually a very reasonable action which a lot of people don't
seem to understand. The offended Moslems know perfectly well that the
subject most likely to trigger outrage in the West is to make light of
the Holocaust. I agree with them that this is the one issue that is
almost guaranteed to upset a large portion of the West.
In other words, it's a tit-for-tat reaction, and they're trying to
upset non-Moslem Europeans as much as they have been upset themselves.
Except it won't do that. What it will do is simply make the
Iranians who are doing this look like racist jerks. And
infantile ones at that.
Again though, we should not forget that the brain damaged
Iranians doing this are not all Iranians and many of the
better Iranians surely will not agree with this.
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To delight in war is a merit in the soldier, a dangerous
quality in the captain and a positive crime in a statesman.
- George Santayana
Cheerful Charlie
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| User: "L. Raymond" |
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09 Feb 2006 02:42:55 PM |
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wbarwell wrote:
L. Raymond wrote:
j.m.1491@gmx.net wrote:
johac wrote:
What the loonies are up to now.
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Iran daily holds contest for Holocaust cartoons
<snip>
Isn't it telling that when a DANISH newspaper, owned by DANES, edited
by DANES, publishes cartoons drawn by DANES, later the cartoons are
reprinted by EUROPEAN and other WESTERN newspapers, including one
owned by an EGYPTIAN, but the cartoons are never printed in ISRAEL,
the Muslims start to hit at the JEWS?
It's actually a very reasonable action which a lot of people don't
seem to understand. The offended Moslems know perfectly well that the
subject most likely to trigger outrage in the West is to make light of
the Holocaust. I agree with them that this is the one issue that is
almost guaranteed to upset a large portion of the West.
In other words, it's a tit-for-tat reaction, and they're trying to
upset non-Moslem Europeans as much as they have been upset themselves.
Except it won't do that. What it will do is simply make the
Iranians who are doing this look like racist jerks. And
infantile ones at that.
I didn't say I thought it would be effective, just that it is a
reasonable thing to try. Consider that there are countries where it is
illegal to suggest the Holocaust never happened, and that there is still
a tinge of guilt felt by some older residents, maybe some of the younger
ones as well, for their part in WWII. Additionally, the way the U.S.
supports Israel, it isn't too great a stretch to think many non-Jewish
Americans would be extremely upset by anti-Jewish depictions.
In short, I see it as an attempt by people who are more angry than
politically savvy to turn the tables. It may be very effective in
Israel, but I agree with you it won't have a widespread effect
elsewhere.
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L. Raymond
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| User: "" |
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08 Feb 2006 03:17:10 PM |
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L. Raymond wrote:
j.m.1491@gmx.net wrote:
johac wrote:
What the loonies are up to now.
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Iran daily holds contest for Holocaust cartoons
<snip>
Isn't it telling that when a DANISH newspaper, owned by DANES, edited by
DANES, publishes cartoons drawn by DANES, later the cartoons are
reprinted by EUROPEAN and other WESTERN newspapers, including one owned
by an EGYPTIAN, but the cartoons are never printed in ISRAEL, the
Muslims start to hit at the JEWS?
It's actually a very reasonable action which a lot of people don't
seem to understand. The offended Moslems know perfectly well that the
subject most likely to trigger outrage in the West is to make light of
the Holocaust. I agree with them that this is the one issue that is
almost guaranteed to upset a large portion of the West.
In other words, it's a tit-for-tat reaction, and they're trying to
upset non-Moslem Europeans as much as they have been upset themselves.
What a load of crap. This will obviously seriously upset a certain core
of Jewish people, but most of us will simply roll our eyes to heaven
and sort of shake our heads and mutter to ourselves under our breaths
what a sorry pack of idiots these guys are. It's really as predictable
as the embassy burning and the placards and all these hate-filled Bin
Laden tapes. The fact that these morons can't bring themselves to
acknowledge that the haulocaust happened is more of an insult on them
than on us. If you think this is going to upset a lot of people, you're
as big a fool as they are. if they really think we're going to lose the
rag and start rampaging in the streets, it's only because they assume
the rest of the world is as unhinged as they are. Well, we're not. If
they want to deny historical fact, that's their right. But we'll still
be able to come back the day after with another cartoon for them. *****
them and their delirious religion.
--
L. Raymond
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| User: "Matt Silberstein" |
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10 Feb 2006 04:45:30 PM |
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On Wed, 8 Feb 2006 13:20:48 -0600, in alt.atheism , "L. Raymond"
<badaddress@mylinuxisp.com> in
<15fqb0z9lvifq.1hl0p9hdealpv$.dlg@40tude.net> wrote:
j.m.1491@gmx.net wrote:
johac wrote:
What the loonies are up to now.
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Iran daily holds contest for Holocaust cartoons
<snip>
Isn't it telling that when a DANISH newspaper, owned by DANES, edited by
DANES, publishes cartoons drawn by DANES, later the cartoons are
reprinted by EUROPEAN and other WESTERN newspapers, including one owned
by an EGYPTIAN, but the cartoons are never printed in ISRAEL, the
Muslims start to hit at the JEWS?
It's actually a very reasonable action which a lot of people don't
seem to understand. The offended Moslems know perfectly well that the
subject most likely to trigger outrage in the West is to make light of
the Holocaust. I agree with them that this is the one issue that is
almost guaranteed to upset a large portion of the West.
In other words, it's a tit-for-tat reaction, and they're trying to
upset non-Moslem Europeans as much as they have been upset themselves.
So it is not, as claimed, a test of free speech, it is an attempt to
upset people. Thanks for that explanation.
--
Matt Silberstein
Do something today about the Darfur Genocide
http://www.beawitness.org
http://www.darfurgenocide.org
http://www.savedarfur.org
"Darfur: A Genocide We can Stop"
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| User: "johac" |
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09 Feb 2006 01:17:06 AM |
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In article <44uhdtF40a17U1@individual.net>,
"j.m.1491@gmx.net" <j.m.1491@gmx.net> wrote:
johac wrote:
What the loonies are up to now.
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Iran daily holds contest for Holocaust cartoons
<snip>
Isn't it telling that when a DANISH newspaper, owned by DANES, edited by
DANES, publishes cartoons drawn by DANES, later the cartoons are
reprinted by EUROPEAN and other WESTERN newspapers, including one owned
by an EGYPTIAN, but the cartoons are never printed in ISRAEL, the
Muslims start to hit at the JEWS?
Now, who is the hypocritical, racist anti-semit?
BTW, I truly hope that all Western newspapers print the Iranian
cartoons, right next to the Danish cartoons. I think it would be not
only their right, but their duty to inform the citizens of their
countries about what the Muslim 'culture' is really about.
I don't think that they see the difference between satirizing one
religious leader or laughing at the deaths of six million human beings.
j.m.
#1491
--
John Hachmann aa #1782
"Those who can make you believe absurdities can make you commit atrocities"
-Voltaire
Contact - Throw a .net over the .com
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| User: "stoney" |
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08 Feb 2006 05:45:27 PM |
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On Wed, 08 Feb 2006 10:34:52 -0500, "j.m.1491@gmx.net"
<j.m.1491@gmx.net> wrote in alt.atheism
johac wrote:
What the loonies are up to now.
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Iran daily holds contest for Holocaust cartoons
<snip>
Isn't it telling that when a DANISH newspaper, owned by DANES, edited by
DANES, publishes cartoons drawn by DANES, later the cartoons are
reprinted by EUROPEAN and other WESTERN newspapers, including one owned
by an EGYPTIAN, but the cartoons are never printed in ISRAEL, the
Muslims start to hit at the JEWS?
Now, who is the hypocritical, racist anti-semit?
BTW, I truly hope that all Western newspapers print the Iranian
cartoons, right next to the Danish cartoons. I think it would be not
only their right, but their duty to inform the citizens of their
countries about what the Muslim 'culture' is really about.
I agree the Iranian cartoons should be printed world-wide right next to
the Danish cartoons.
--
Fundies and trolls are cordially invited to
shove a wooden cross up their arses and rotate
at a high rate of speed. I trust you'll
be 'blessed' with a cornucopia of splinters.
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| User: "Robibnikoff" |
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09 Feb 2006 09:03:47 AM |
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"stoney" <stoney@the.net> wrote in message
news:fj0lu1h1eqafbstlf3k6ogb0bncm4vvt8v@4ax.com...
On Wed, 08 Feb 2006 10:34:52 -0500, "j.m.1491@gmx.net"
<j.m.1491@gmx.net> wrote in alt.atheism
johac wrote:
What the loonies are up to now.
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Iran daily holds contest for Holocaust cartoons
<snip>
Isn't it telling that when a DANISH newspaper, owned by DANES, edited by
DANES, publishes cartoons drawn by DANES, later the cartoons are
reprinted by EUROPEAN and other WESTERN newspapers, including one owned
by an EGYPTIAN, but the cartoons are never printed in ISRAEL, the
Muslims start to hit at the JEWS?
Now, who is the hypocritical, racist anti-semit?
BTW, I truly hope that all Western newspapers print the Iranian
cartoons, right next to the Danish cartoons. I think it would be not
only their right, but their duty to inform the citizens of their
countries about what the Muslim 'culture' is really about.
I agree the Iranian cartoons should be printed world-wide right next to
the Danish cartoons.
I think these people need to get a life and stop this ridiculous nonsense.
Freakin' adults acting like 5-year-olds. Insane :P
--
Robyn
Resident Witchypoo
#1557
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| User: "stoney" |
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09 Feb 2006 01:54:24 PM |
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On Thu, 9 Feb 2006 10:03:47 -0500, "Robibnikoff"
<witchypoo@broomstick.com> wrote in alt.atheism
"stoney" <stoney@the.net> wrote in message
news:fj0lu1h1eqafbstlf3k6ogb0bncm4vvt8v@4ax.com...
On Wed, 08 Feb 2006 10:34:52 -0500, "j.m.1491@gmx.net"
<j.m.1491@gmx.net> wrote in alt.atheism
johac wrote:
What the loonies are up to now.
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Iran daily holds contest for Holocaust cartoons
<snip>
Isn't it telling that when a DANISH newspaper, owned by DANES, edited by
DANES, publishes cartoons drawn by DANES, later the cartoons are
reprinted by EUROPEAN and other WESTERN newspapers, including one owned
by an EGYPTIAN, but the cartoons are never printed in ISRAEL, the
Muslims start to hit at the JEWS?
Now, who is the hypocritical, racist anti-semit?
BTW, I truly hope that all Western newspapers print the Iranian
cartoons, right next to the Danish cartoons. I think it would be not
only their right, but their duty to inform the citizens of their
countries about what the Muslim 'culture' is really about.
I agree the Iranian cartoons should be printed world-wide right next to
the Danish cartoons.
I think these people need to get a life and stop this ridiculous nonsense.
Freakin' adults acting like 5-year-olds. Insane :P
That's superstition for you. Mental Toddlerism®.
/cue the shrub toddler.
--
Fundies and trolls are cordially invited to
shove a wooden cross up their arses and rotate
at a high rate of speed. I trust you'll
be 'blessed' with a cornucopia of splinters.
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| User: "" |
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08 Feb 2006 06:24:11 PM |
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Smash the Man (http://www.smashtheman.com) has an article posted about
the whole crazy saga along with really clear images of the cartoons
that caused all the commotion. Strange world we live in...
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| User: "Jos Flachs" |
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10 Feb 2006 06:09:11 AM |
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On Wed, 08 Feb 2006 10:34:52 -0500, "j.m.1491@gmx.net"
<j.m.1491@gmx.net> wrote:
johac wrote:
What the loonies are up to now.
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Iran daily holds contest for Holocaust cartoons
<snip>
Isn't it telling that when a DANISH newspaper, owned by DANES, edited by
DANES, publishes cartoons drawn by DANES, later the cartoons are
reprinted by EUROPEAN and other WESTERN newspapers, including one owned
by an EGYPTIAN, but the cartoons are never printed in ISRAEL, the
Muslims start to hit at the JEWS?
Now, who is the hypocritical, racist anti-semit?
BTW, I truly hope that all Western newspapers print the Iranian
cartoons, right next to the Danish cartoons. I think it would be not
only their right, but their duty to inform the citizens of their
countries about what the Muslim 'culture' is really about.
I'd say the mohammedans are about as clever as the Boers during
Apartheid. Maybe a wee bit less.
They throw a massive tantrum over .... nothing. And their retaliation
is even worse: Iran is making anti-semitic fun. It's like they want to
impress us of their rage by calling the Inuits Eskimos.
All they achive is more people becoming aware mohammadans are simply
dangerous. Especially if they have a bomb to play with.
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| User: "stoney" |
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10 Feb 2006 02:23:59 PM |
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On Fri, 10 Feb 2006 19:09:11 +0700, Jos Flachs <xwcruise@ksc15.th.com>
wrote in alt.atheism
On Wed, 08 Feb 2006 10:34:52 -0500, "j.m.1491@gmx.net"
<j.m.1491@gmx.net> wrote:
johac wrote:
What the loonies are up to now.
---
Iran daily holds contest for Holocaust cartoons
<snip>
Isn't it telling that when a DANISH newspaper, owned by DANES, edited by
DANES, publishes cartoons drawn by DANES, later the cartoons are
reprinted by EUROPEAN and other WESTERN newspapers, including one owned
by an EGYPTIAN, but the cartoons are never printed in ISRAEL, the
Muslims start to hit at the JEWS?
Now, who is the hypocritical, racist anti-semit?
BTW, I truly hope that all Western newspapers print the Iranian
cartoons, right next to the Danish cartoons. I think it would be not
only their right, but their duty to inform the citizens of their
countries about what the Muslim 'culture' is really about.
I'd say the mohammedans are about as clever as the Boers during
Apartheid. Maybe a wee bit less.
They throw a massive tantrum over .... nothing. And their retaliation
is even worse: Iran is making anti-semitic fun. It's like they want to
impress us of their rage by calling the Inuits Eskimos.
All they achive is more people becoming aware mohammadans are simply
dangerous. Especially if they have a bomb to play with.
Indeed. I'm wondering if their antics increases the likelihood of an
attack on that Irania nuclear power plant under construction. I suspect
so.
--
Fundies and trolls are cordially invited to
shove a wooden cross up their arses and rotate
at a high rate of speed. I trust you'll
be 'blessed' with a cornucopia of splinters.
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