On Fri, 20 Jan 2006 06:44:12 GMT, "Dale" <dmgreer@nspm.airmail.net>
wrote:
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"Khubla" <khubla@adelphia.net> wrote in message
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Iran will soon have the bomb and there is no stopping them. It's
won't be long before Syria will have some compliments of Iran along
with missiles that Iran has developed. At this point Israel will in
effect be

surrounded

and all the anger of their neighbors will let loose. I just worry
what

the

U.S. will do when Israel is flattened as we have a treaty that we
will

come

to their defense. I don't give a rat's ***** for Israel or any of her
neighbors but I don't want that ***** of a little country dragging us
into WW3 as the French Ambassador once remarked would happen.

Another US diplomatic screw up. By making it all about the US vs Iran,
the Bush administration virtually guaranteed that Iran would defy the
world to make a bomb. But this isn't about Iran, it's about law and
order between nations.

Indoctrinated yank, yes?

It's not a screw-up.
It is designed this way with some deliberation.
It gives the US elite an excude to re-install a puppet regime in Iran,
and get control of their oil reserves.

The current situation is pretty much what Rumsfled hoped for.

If Iran gets to make a bomb, then anybody can make a bomb and
nobody can stop them. If the US had approached it from this angle, we
might have gotten what we wanted, which in the end would have been
best for everyone.

Naive little poppet.

As for Syria getting nuclear tipped Iranian missiles, that has about
as much chance of happening as Russian nuclear missiles in Cuba. A
nuclear truck bomb is more likely.

On Fri, 20 Jan 2006 06:44:12 GMT, "Dale" <dmgreer@nspm.airmail.net>
wrote:
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"Khubla" <khubla@adelphia.net> wrote in message
news:oaKdnVbqvrwysE3eRVn-pg@adelphia.com...

Iran will soon have the bomb and there is no stopping them. It's won't be
long before Syria will have some compliments of Iran along with missiles
that Iran has developed. At this point Israel will in effect be

surrounded

and all the anger of their neighbors will let loose. I just worry what

the

U.S. will do when Israel is flattened as we have a treaty that we will

come

to their defense. I don't give a rat's ***** for Israel or any of her
neighbors but I don't want that ***** of a little country dragging us into
WW3 as the French Ambassador once remarked would happen.

Another US diplomatic screw up. By making it all about the US vs Iran, the
Bush administration virtually guaranteed that Iran would defy the world to
make a bomb. But this isn't about Iran, it's about law and order between
nations.

Indoctrinated yank, yes?

It's not a screw-up.
It is designed this way with some deliberation.
It gives the US elite an excude to re-install a puppet regime in Iran,
and get control of their oil reserves.

On Fri, 20 Jan 2006 00:57:06 GMT in alt.atheism, Ron Baker,
Pluralitas! ("Ron Baker, Pluralitas!" <stoshu@bellsouth.net.pa>)
said, directing the reply to alt.atheism

"Khubla" <khubla@adelphia.net> wrote in message
news:oaKdnVbqvrwysE3eRVn-pg@adelphia.com...

Iran will soon have the bomb and there is no stopping them. It's won't
be

It is a virtual certainty that Israel will conduct air strikes
on the Iranian nuclear facilities if the Iranians don't back down.
Maybe that tangible threat and threats of sanctions will
make Iran back down.

There is little doubt that the attacks would disable the
bomb program.
But things might get interesting if there are radiation
releases.

I wonder how Iran's air defenses are.
I haven't heard much talk about them.

They're supposed to be very good indeed. Apparently the Iranians spent
a billion dollars (about 25% of the annual military budget) earlier
this month on Russian the Tor-M1 missile system "capable of destroying
guided missiles and laser-guided bombs from aircraft" which apparently
can be deployed relatively quickly. Though what "relatively quickly"
means I leave to more experienced hands!

The Ruskies were always keen on third parties field testing their air
defence systems, viz the Yom Kippur war, in which SAMs proved a
considerable problem for the Israelis, so presumably if they did
attack Iran's nuclear facilities they'd have to destroy or disable the
radar stations controlling the SAM and other defences first.

And of
course a lot of the nuclear facilities are apparently in populated
locations while hitting live nuclear reactors probably isn't the best
precedent in the world

Additionally, from what I've read the Iranian nuclear capacity has
been built and dispersed such that it would take a strike of the order
of the opening days of the Iraq campaign to dramatically set it back.
Does Israel have the capacity to do that?

As I understand it the only
aircraft they have capable of reaching Iran and returning to Israel
without refueling is the F-15I strategic 69 Squadron.

And the politics would be tricky seeing as any battle group would have
to over fly Iraq and/or Syria to actually get to Iran. Not impossible
given who's in de-facto charge of Iraq, but one imagines that'd cause
considerable political difficulties for the new Iraqi government ...
and the Americans.

Then the Iranians have their own reconnaissance satellite, Sinah 1 (3m
resolution) launched by the Russians on 27 Oct.

Yep. So if the Israelis do give it a go (apparently the smart money is
on or around March 2006), we're probably going to be living in
interesting times shortly afterwards....

"Ron Baker, Pluralitas!" <stoshu@bellsouth.net.pa> wrote in
news:CzWzf.1040$Z3.430@tornado.socal.rr.com:

"Khubla" <khubla@adelphia.net> wrote in message
news:oaKdnVbqvrwysE3eRVn-pg@adelphia.com...

Iran will soon have the bomb and there is no stopping them. It's
won't be long before Syria will have some compliments of Iran along
with missiles that Iran has developed. At this point Israel will in
effect be surrounded and all the anger of their neighbors will let
loose. I just worry what the U.S. will do when Israel is flattened
as we have a treaty that we will come to their defense. I don't give
a rat's ***** for Israel or any of her neighbors but I don't want that
***** of a little country dragging us into WW3 as the French
Ambassador once remarked would happen.

It is a virtual certainty that Israel will conduct air strikes
on the Iranian nuclear facilities if the Iranians don't back down.
Maybe that tangible threat and threats of sanctions will
make Iran back down.

There is little doubt that the attacks would disable the
bomb program.
But things might get interesting if there are radiation
releases.

I wonder how Iran's air defenses are.
I haven't heard much talk about them.

I think the Israelis could be pretty sure of hitting anything in Iran
without much trouble. We've armed them, and we could do it.

"Ron Baker, Pluralitas!" <stoshu@bellsouth.net.pa> wrote in
news:CzWzf.1040$Z3.430@tornado.socal.rr.com:

"Khubla" <khubla@adelphia.net> wrote in message
news:oaKdnVbqvrwysE3eRVn-pg@adelphia.com...

Iran will soon have the bomb and there is no stopping them. It's
won't be long before Syria will have some compliments of Iran along
with missiles that Iran has developed. At this point Israel will in
effect be surrounded and all the anger of their neighbors will let
loose. I just worry what the U.S. will do when Israel is flattened
as we have a treaty that we will come to their defense. I don't give
a rat's ***** for Israel or any of her neighbors but I don't want that
***** of a little country dragging us into WW3 as the French
Ambassador once remarked would happen.

It is a virtual certainty that Israel will conduct air strikes
on the Iranian nuclear facilities if the Iranians don't back down.
Maybe that tangible threat and threats of sanctions will
make Iran back down.

There is little doubt that the attacks would disable the
bomb program.
But things might get interesting if there are radiation
releases.

I wonder how Iran's air defenses are.
I haven't heard much talk about them.

I think the Israelis could be pretty sure of hitting anything in Iran
without much trouble. We've armed them, and we could do it.

"Ron Baker, Pluralitas!" <stoshu@bellsouth.net.pa> wrote in
news:CzWzf.1040$Z3.430@tornado.socal.rr.com:

"Khubla" <khubla@adelphia.net> wrote in message
news:oaKdnVbqvrwysE3eRVn-pg@adelphia.com...

Iran will soon have the bomb and there is no stopping them. It's
won't be long before Syria will have some compliments of Iran along
with missiles that Iran has developed. At this point Israel will in
effect be surrounded and all the anger of their neighbors will let
loose. I just worry what the U.S. will do when Israel is flattened
as we have a treaty that we will come to their defense. I don't give
a rat's ***** for Israel or any of her neighbors but I don't want that
***** of a little country dragging us into WW3 as the French
Ambassador once remarked would happen.

It is a virtual certainty that Israel will conduct air strikes
on the Iranian nuclear facilities if the Iranians don't back down.
Maybe that tangible threat and threats of sanctions will
make Iran back down.

There is little doubt that the attacks would disable the
bomb program.
But things might get interesting if there are radiation
releases.

I wonder how Iran's air defenses are.
I haven't heard much talk about them.

I think the Israelis could be pretty sure of hitting anything in Iran
without much trouble. We've armed them, and we could do it.

In article <CzWzf.1040$Z3.430@tornado.socal.rr.com>,
"Ron Baker, Pluralitas!" <stoshu@bellsouth.net.pa> wrote:

"Khubla" <khubla@adelphia.net> wrote in message
news:oaKdnVbqvrwysE3eRVn-pg@adelphia.com...

Iran will soon have the bomb and there is no stopping them. It's won't
be

It is a virtual certainty that Israel will conduct air strikes
on the Iranian nuclear facilities if the Iranians don't back down.
Maybe that tangible threat and threats of sanctions will
make Iran back down.

There is little doubt that the attacks would disable the
bomb program.
But things might get interesting if there are radiation
releases.

I wonder how Iran's air defenses are.
I haven't heard much talk about them.

Iran has been buying lots of stuff from the Russians. I recently read
that they were upgrading their air defenses, but I done recall all of
the details. Israel could still do it, but unlike the attack on Tuwaitha
in '81, I think that there would be casualties.

In article <CzWzf.1040$Z3.430@tornado.socal.rr.com>,
"Ron Baker, Pluralitas!" <stoshu@bellsouth.net.pa> wrote:

"Khubla" <khubla@adelphia.net> wrote in message
news:oaKdnVbqvrwysE3eRVn-pg@adelphia.com...

Iran will soon have the bomb and there is no stopping them. It's won't be
long before Syria will have some compliments of Iran along with missiles
that Iran has developed. At this point Israel will in effect be
surrounded and all the anger of their neighbors will let loose. I just
worry what the U.S. will do when Israel is flattened as we have a treaty
that we will come to their defense. I don't give a rat's ***** for Israel
or any of her neighbors but I don't want that ***** of a little country
dragging us into WW3 as the French Ambassador once remarked would happen.

It is a virtual certainty that Israel will conduct air strikes
on the Iranian nuclear facilities if the Iranians don't back down.
Maybe that tangible threat and threats of sanctions will
make Iran back down.

There is little doubt that the attacks would disable the
bomb program.
But things might get interesting if there are radiation
releases.

I wonder how Iran's air defenses are.
I haven't heard much talk about them.

Iran has been buying lots of stuff from the Russians. I recently read
that they were upgrading their air defenses, but I done recall all of
the details. Israel could still do it, but unlike the attack on Tuwaitha
in '81, I think that there would be casualties.