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"Budikka666" |
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30 Sep 2005 05:35:55 PM |
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Iraq Going to hell in a Handbasket |
This article:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/middle_east/4260170.stm
brings up an interesting question. Who will protect not only the
Mandeans, but everyone else whose faith isn't enslaved to Allah, whose
life isn't tightly circumscribed by ash-shari'a?
Answer: no one.
By definition one religion cannot protect the adherents of another
faith! What incentive is there? Those of other faiths are going to
hell anyway. If they're not, what is the value of the faith you
follow?! No god will help any of these people. Only a secular state
guaranteeing freedom of religion and freedom from religion can do this.
Already Iraq is slipping into fundamentalism. Those of other faiths
are being marginalized, women being pushed back under the dark weighty
burka of oppression. Freedom of expression is non-existent except for
those who carry guns and bombs.
Ironically, people had freedom of religion and women had rights under
psycho-Saddam! But George Bush has taken those things away. They may
never come back.
Budikka
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| User: "duke" |
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| Title: Re: Iraq Going to hell in a Handbasket |
02 Oct 2005 12:07:08 PM |
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On 30 Sep 2005 15:35:55 -0700, "Budikka666" <budikka1@netscape.net> wrote:
Ironically, people had freedom of religion and women had rights under
psycho-Saddam! But George Bush has taken those things away. They may
never come back.
Budikka
That's why Muslim women are going to school for once in their lives. Bud the
dud doesn't understand.
duke
*****
"The Mass is the most perfect form of Prayer."
Pope Paul VI
*****
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| User: "Budikka666" |
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| Title: Re: Iraq Going to hell in a Handbasket |
03 Oct 2005 05:09:24 PM |
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Special note in case any lying cowardly hypocritical braindead *****
dimwit fucks cluelessly think that Iraqi women had no formal education
under the Hussein regime:
The Iraqi constitution during Hussein's regime specified in 1970 that
women and men were equal before the law. The Catholics don't even do
this today.
The 70s and 80s saw economic growth and a state policy to remove
illiteracy and to educate women, who became some of the best educated
in the Middle East.
Women were able to get jobs and higher education. They could also get
better medical coverage than 40 million Americans can today. Iraqi
maternity leave was **FIVE PAID YEARS** and just 25 years ago, women
could vote and stand for election.
All of this started going down the tubes around the time of the first
gulf war, and now they have nothing.
Budikka
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| User: "Fred Stone" |
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| Title: Re: Iraq Going to hell in a Handbasket |
03 Oct 2005 05:36:21 PM |
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"Budikka666" <budikka1@netscape.net> wrote in
news:1128377364.757442.170670@g14g2000cwa.googlegroups.com:
Special note in case any lying cowardly hypocritical braindead *****
dimwit fucks cluelessly think that Iraqi women had no formal education
under the Hussein regime:
The Iraqi constitution during Hussein's regime specified in 1970 that
women and men were equal before the law. The Catholics don't even do
this today.
If you believe that the Iraqi constitution under Saddam meant anything
at all, you're delusional.
However, to be fair, men and women were equal under Saddam's law. They
had no rights at all. Period.
The 70s and 80s saw economic growth and a state policy to remove
illiteracy and to educate women, who became some of the best educated
in the Middle East.
Which isn't saying much.
Women were able to get jobs and higher education. They could also get
better medical coverage than 40 million Americans can today.
Yeah, right, just like Cubans can, in those fancy state hospitals that
are reserved for foreign guests.
Iraqi
maternity leave was **FIVE PAID YEARS** and just 25 years ago, women
could vote and stand for election.
They could vote for Saddam. Or be killed for not voting.
All of this started going down the tubes around the time of the first
gulf war, and now they have nothing.
And now they can *actually* vote in an election that makes a difference.
--
Fred Stone
aa# 1369
"Honesty is the best policy, but insanity is a better defense."
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| User: "Mike Painter" |
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| Title: Re: Iraq Going to hell in a Handbasket |
03 Oct 2005 07:12:18 PM |
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Fred Stone wrote:
"Budikka666" <budikka1@netscape.net> wrote in
news:1128377364.757442.170670@g14g2000cwa.googlegroups.com:
Special note in case any lying cowardly hypocritical braindead
***** dimwit fucks cluelessly think that Iraqi women had no formal
education under the Hussein regime:
The Iraqi constitution during Hussein's regime specified in 1970 that
women and men were equal before the law. The Catholics don't even do
this today.
If you believe that the Iraqi constitution under Saddam meant anything
at all, you're delusional.
However, to be fair, men and women were equal under Saddam's law. They
had no rights at all. Period.
The 70s and 80s saw economic growth and a state policy to remove
illiteracy and to educate women, who became some of the best educated
in the Middle East.
Which isn't saying much.
How many languages do you speak Fred?
Women were able to get jobs and higher education. They could also
get better medical coverage than 40 million Americans can today.
Yeah, right, just like Cubans can, in those fancy state hospitals that
are reserved for foreign guests.
Not to mention most of the rest of the industrialized world.
Naturally Fred would pick the country that is in horrible condition because
of the way it has been treated by the USA.
Iraqi
maternity leave was **FIVE PAID YEARS** and just 25 years ago, women
could vote and stand for election.
They could vote for Saddam. Or be killed for not voting.
Fred seems to think Sadam was the only elected official.
All of this started going down the tubes around the time of the first
gulf war, and now they have nothing.
And now they can *actually* vote in an election that makes a
difference.
Yeah, they could get blown up just for voting. That's a step down for what
Fred said initially.
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| User: "Fred Stone" |
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| Title: Re: Iraq Going to hell in a Handbasket |
03 Oct 2005 08:08:12 PM |
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"Mike Painter" <mddotpainter@sbcglobal.net> wrote in
news:CNj0f.561$we3.87@newssvr13.news.prodigy.com:
Fred Stone wrote:
"Budikka666" <budikka1@netscape.net> wrote in
news:1128377364.757442.170670@g14g2000cwa.googlegroups.com:
Special note in case any lying cowardly hypocritical braindead
***** dimwit fucks cluelessly think that Iraqi women had no formal
education under the Hussein regime:
The Iraqi constitution during Hussein's regime specified in 1970
that women and men were equal before the law. The Catholics don't
even do this today.
If you believe that the Iraqi constitution under Saddam meant
anything at all, you're delusional.
However, to be fair, men and women were equal under Saddam's law.
They had no rights at all. Period.
The 70s and 80s saw economic growth and a state policy to remove
illiteracy and to educate women, who became some of the best
educated in the Middle East.
Which isn't saying much.
How many languages do you speak Fred?
Enough. How does that prove that Saddam's government actually
implemented that policy for any but selected members of the elite Baath
party?
Women were able to get jobs and higher education. They could also
get better medical coverage than 40 million Americans can today.
Yeah, right, just like Cubans can, in those fancy state hospitals
that are reserved for foreign guests.
Not to mention most of the rest of the industrialized world.
Naturally Fred would pick the country that is in horrible condition
because of the way it has been treated by the USA.
Gee, it couldn't be anything to do with the fact that Cuba's a
*communist* country, could it? No, it must be that Cuba can only trade
with the whole rest of the world but not the US.
Iraqi
maternity leave was **FIVE PAID YEARS** and just 25 years ago, women
could vote and stand for election.
They could vote for Saddam. Or be killed for not voting.
Fred seems to think Sadam was the only elected official.
Mike seems to think the Baath party ran fair and open elections.
All of this started going down the tubes around the time of the
first gulf war, and now they have nothing.
And now they can *actually* vote in an election that makes a
difference.
Yeah, they could get blown up just for voting. That's a step down for
what Fred said initially.
Something like eight million of them were willing to risk it the last
time they held an election.
--
Fred Stone
aa# 1369
"Honesty is the best policy, but insanity is a better defense."
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| User: "Budikka666" |
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04 Oct 2005 04:35:21 PM |
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Mike Painter wrote:
Not to mention most of the rest of the industrialized world.
Naturally Fred would pick the country that is in horrible condition because
of the way it has been treated by the USA.
I've put Stone in the same bag as Earl Weber, marked it "worthless
junk" and thrown it in the trash. He's not worth the time of day.
He's completely blind to reality, he denies established facts on
nothing more than the "weight" of his own say-so, he can neither carry
on a rational discussion nor support a thing he blathers about. He
tosses out straw men like a tornado in a barn, he's a liar and a
hypocrite, and he's not even an atheist. He's an adherent of the
Bush-I-Do religion. In short, he's *exactly* like Duck *****.
B.
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| User: "Fred Stone" |
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| Title: Re: Iraq Going to hell in a Handbasket |
04 Oct 2005 05:13:10 PM |
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"Budikka666" <budikka1@netscape.net> wrote in
news:1128461721.631106.69600@f14g2000cwb.googlegroups.com:
Mike Painter wrote:
Not to mention most of the rest of the industrialized world.
Naturally Fred would pick the country that is in horrible condition
because of the way it has been treated by the USA.
I've put Stone in the same bag as Earl Weber, marked it "worthless
junk" and thrown it in the trash. He's not worth the time of day.
He's completely blind to reality, he denies established facts on
Budikka proves that there's no evidence in the world that will convince
a gulliberal that his "known facts" are *****.
nothing more than the "weight" of his own say-so, he can neither carry
on a rational discussion nor support a thing he blathers about. He
tosses out straw men like a tornado in a barn, he's a liar and a
hypocrite, and he's not even an atheist. He's an adherent of the
Bush-I-Do religion. In short, he's *exactly* like Duck *****.
Translation: "Fred kicks my ***** every time I try to argue with him."
--
Fred Stone
aa# 1369
"Honesty is the best policy, but insanity is a better defense."
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| User: "Mike Painter" |
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| Title: Re: Iraq Going to hell in a Handbasket |
04 Oct 2005 06:50:35 PM |
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Fred Stone wrote:
"Budikka666" <budikka1@netscape.net> wrote in
news:1128461721.631106.69600@f14g2000cwb.googlegroups.com:
Mike Painter wrote:
Not to mention most of the rest of the industrialized world.
Naturally Fred would pick the country that is in horrible condition
because of the way it has been treated by the USA.
I've put Stone in the same bag as Earl Weber, marked it "worthless
junk" and thrown it in the trash. He's not worth the time of day.
He's completely blind to reality, he denies established facts on
Budikka proves that there's no evidence in the world that will
convince a gulliberal that his "known facts" are *****.
nothing more than the "weight" of his own say-so, he can neither
carry on a rational discussion nor support a thing he blathers
about. He tosses out straw men like a tornado in a barn, he's a
liar and a hypocrite, and he's not even an atheist. He's an
adherent of the Bush-I-Do religion. In short, he's *exactly* like
Duck *****.
Translation: "Fred kicks my ***** every time I try to argue with him."
You have demonstrated that you are exactly like Earl Weber.
All you need is an inane sig to complete the resemblence.
How about "My version of my country right or wrong."
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| User: "G-Ride" |
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| Title: Re: Iraq Going to hell in a Handbasket |
04 Oct 2005 08:40:06 PM |
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"Mike Painter" <mddotpainter@sbcglobal.net> wrote in message
news:fzE0f.452$dB4.244@newssvr12.news.prodigy.com...
Fred Stone wrote:
"Budikka666" <budikka1@netscape.net> wrote in
news:1128461721.631106.69600@f14g2000cwb.googlegroups.com:
Mike Painter wrote:
Not to mention most of the rest of the industrialized world.
Naturally Fred would pick the country that is in horrible condition
because of the way it has been treated by the USA.
I've put Stone in the same bag as Earl Weber, marked it "worthless
junk" and thrown it in the trash. He's not worth the time of day.
He's completely blind to reality, he denies established facts on
Budikka proves that there's no evidence in the world that will
convince a gulliberal that his "known facts" are *****.
nothing more than the "weight" of his own say-so, he can neither
carry on a rational discussion nor support a thing he blathers
about. He tosses out straw men like a tornado in a barn, he's a
liar and a hypocrite, and he's not even an atheist. He's an
adherent of the Bush-I-Do religion. In short, he's *exactly* like
Duck *****.
Translation: "Fred kicks my ***** every time I try to argue with him."
Jeebus. Looks like Fredo has delusions of grandeur.
You have demonstrated that you are exactly like Earl Weber.
All you need is an inane sig to complete the resemblence.
How about "My version of my country right or wrong."
He's had plenty of inane ones in the past as I recall.
--
Aloha, G-Ride
"Like a quarrelling group of monkeys on a leaky boat, armed with sticks of
dynamite, we are now embarked on an uncertain journey."
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| User: "Fred Stone" |
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04 Oct 2005 07:24:10 PM |
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"Mike Painter" <mddotpainter@sbcglobal.net> wrote in news:fzE0f.452
$dB4.244@newssvr12.news.prodigy.com:
Fred Stone wrote:
"Budikka666" <budikka1@netscape.net> wrote in
news:1128461721.631106.69600@f14g2000cwb.googlegroups.com:
Mike Painter wrote:
Not to mention most of the rest of the industrialized world.
Naturally Fred would pick the country that is in horrible condition
because of the way it has been treated by the USA.
I've put Stone in the same bag as Earl Weber, marked it "worthless
junk" and thrown it in the trash. He's not worth the time of day.
He's completely blind to reality, he denies established facts on
Budikka proves that there's no evidence in the world that will
convince a gulliberal that his "known facts" are *****.
nothing more than the "weight" of his own say-so, he can neither
carry on a rational discussion nor support a thing he blathers
about. He tosses out straw men like a tornado in a barn, he's a
liar and a hypocrite, and he's not even an atheist. He's an
adherent of the Bush-I-Do religion. In short, he's *exactly* like
Duck *****.
Translation: "Fred kicks my ***** every time I try to argue with him."
You have demonstrated that you are exactly like Earl Weber.
When you can refute my arguments *and the support that I cite for them*
as easily as you do Earl's, let me know.
All you need is an inane sig to complete the resemblence.
How about "My version of my country right or wrong."
I like the ones I've got, thanks.
--
Fred Stone
aa# 1369
"Honesty is the best policy, but insanity is a better defense."
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| User: "Mike Painter" |
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| Title: Re: Iraq Going to hell in a Handbasket |
05 Oct 2005 12:52:21 PM |
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Fred Stone wrote:
"Mike Painter" <mddotpainter@sbcglobal.net> wrote in news:fzE0f.452
$dB4.244@newssvr12.news.prodigy.com:
Fred Stone wrote:
"Budikka666" <budikka1@netscape.net> wrote in
news:1128461721.631106.69600@f14g2000cwb.googlegroups.com:
Mike Painter wrote:
Not to mention most of the rest of the industrialized world.
Naturally Fred would pick the country that is in horrible
condition because of the way it has been treated by the USA.
I've put Stone in the same bag as Earl Weber, marked it "worthless
junk" and thrown it in the trash. He's not worth the time of day.
He's completely blind to reality, he denies established facts on
Budikka proves that there's no evidence in the world that will
convince a gulliberal that his "known facts" are *****.
nothing more than the "weight" of his own say-so, he can neither
carry on a rational discussion nor support a thing he blathers
about. He tosses out straw men like a tornado in a barn, he's a
liar and a hypocrite, and he's not even an atheist. He's an
adherent of the Bush-I-Do religion. In short, he's *exactly* like
Duck *****.
Translation: "Fred kicks my ***** every time I try to argue with him."
You have demonstrated that you are exactly like Earl Weber.
When you can refute my arguments *and the support that I cite for
them* as easily as you do Earl's, let me know.
That's exactly the same argument he uses.
You quote a source, others quote several sources showing yours is biased and
you refuse to acknowledge them.
Earl said "...and a body salinity (same as ocean water)...". when several
sources from the medical field were quoted to show this was false he used a
single web site (The salt Institute) to defend his claims.
You and he seem to believe that denial is proof.
All you need is an inane sig to complete the resemblance.
How about "My version of my country right or wrong."
I like the ones I've got, thanks.
I'm glad you like your inane sigs.
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| User: "Fred Stone" |
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| Title: Re: Iraq Going to hell in a Handbasket |
05 Oct 2005 01:29:27 PM |
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"Mike Painter" <mddotpainter@sbcglobal.net> wrote in
news:ppU0f.9061$oO2.8477@newssvr27.news.prodigy.net:
Fred Stone wrote:
"Mike Painter" <mddotpainter@sbcglobal.net> wrote in news:fzE0f.452
$dB4.244@newssvr12.news.prodigy.com:
Fred Stone wrote:
"Budikka666" <budikka1@netscape.net> wrote in
news:1128461721.631106.69600@f14g2000cwb.googlegroups.com:
Mike Painter wrote:
Not to mention most of the rest of the industrialized world.
Naturally Fred would pick the country that is in horrible
condition because of the way it has been treated by the USA.
I've put Stone in the same bag as Earl Weber, marked it "worthless
junk" and thrown it in the trash. He's not worth the time of day.
He's completely blind to reality, he denies established facts on
Budikka proves that there's no evidence in the world that will
convince a gulliberal that his "known facts" are *****.
nothing more than the "weight" of his own say-so, he can neither
carry on a rational discussion nor support a thing he blathers
about. He tosses out straw men like a tornado in a barn, he's a
liar and a hypocrite, and he's not even an atheist. He's an
adherent of the Bush-I-Do religion. In short, he's *exactly* like
Duck *****.
Translation: "Fred kicks my ***** every time I try to argue with
him."
You have demonstrated that you are exactly like Earl Weber.
When you can refute my arguments *and the support that I cite for
them* as easily as you do Earl's, let me know.
That's exactly the same argument he uses.
Between this and your other response to my post of the interview with
Abu Bakar, you're obviously just being antagonistic.
You quote a source, others quote several sources showing yours is
biased and you refuse to acknowledge them.
I can tell the difference between reputable sources and blithering
moonbats.
Earl said "...and a body salinity (same as ocean water)...". when
several sources from the medical field were quoted to show this was
false he used a single web site (The salt Institute) to defend his
claims.
You and he seem to believe that denial is proof.
I believe that *evidence* is *evidence*.
All you need is an inane sig to complete the resemblance.
How about "My version of my country right or wrong."
I like the ones I've got, thanks.
I'm glad you like your inane sigs.
They work for me.
--
Fred Stone
aa# 1369
"If they want to have peace,
they have to accept to be governed by Islam."
- Abu Bakar Bashir
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| User: "Mike Painter" |
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| Title: Re: Iraq Going to hell in a Handbasket |
05 Oct 2005 05:25:58 PM |
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Fred Stone wrote:
"Mike Painter" <mddotpainter@sbcglobal.net> wrote in
news:ppU0f.9061$oO2.8477@newssvr27.news.prodigy.net:
Fred Stone wrote:
"Mike Painter" <mddotpainter@sbcglobal.net> wrote in news:fzE0f.452
$dB4.244@newssvr12.news.prodigy.com:
Fred Stone wrote:
"Budikka666" <budikka1@netscape.net> wrote in
news:1128461721.631106.69600@f14g2000cwb.googlegroups.com:
Mike Painter wrote:
Not to mention most of the rest of the industrialized world.
Naturally Fred would pick the country that is in horrible
condition because of the way it has been treated by the USA.
I've put Stone in the same bag as Earl Weber, marked it
"worthless junk" and thrown it in the trash. He's not worth the
time of day. He's completely blind to reality, he denies
established facts on
Budikka proves that there's no evidence in the world that will
convince a gulliberal that his "known facts" are *****.
nothing more than the "weight" of his own say-so, he can neither
carry on a rational discussion nor support a thing he blathers
about. He tosses out straw men like a tornado in a barn, he's a
liar and a hypocrite, and he's not even an atheist. He's an
adherent of the Bush-I-Do religion. In short, he's *exactly*
like Duck *****.
Translation: "Fred kicks my ***** every time I try to argue with
him."
You have demonstrated that you are exactly like Earl Weber.
When you can refute my arguments *and the support that I cite for
them* as easily as you do Earl's, let me know.
That's exactly the same argument he uses.
Between this and your other response to my post of the interview with
Abu Bakar, you're obviously just being antagonistic.
You quote a source, others quote several sources showing yours is
biased and you refuse to acknowledge them.
I can tell the difference between reputable sources and blithering
moonbats.
Exactly what Earl claims. Even if yours is a blog and ours is the New York
Times you claim yours is right.
Earl said "...and a body salinity (same as ocean water)...". when
several sources from the medical field were quoted to show this was
false he used a single web site (The salt Institute) to defend his
claims.
You and he seem to believe that denial is proof.
I believe that *evidence* is *evidence*.
Your evidence consists of only those things that support your views. Using
this approach a person could claim that their team won the championship
because they won all the games you presented evidence for. You ignore the
evidence that shows they lost far more than they won.
The news of the world is filled with the failures of the US in Iraq and you
present isolated evidence of success.
All you need is an inane sig to complete the resemblance.
How about "My version of my country right or wrong."
I like the ones I've got, thanks.
I'm glad you like your inane sigs.
They work for me.
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| User: "Fred Stone" |
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| Title: Re: Iraq Going to hell in a Handbasket |
05 Oct 2005 06:28:03 PM |
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"Mike Painter" <mddotpainter@sbcglobal.net> wrote in
news:WpY0f.9129$oO2.8496@newssvr27.news.prodigy.net:
Fred Stone wrote:
"Mike Painter" <mddotpainter@sbcglobal.net> wrote in
news:ppU0f.9061$oO2.8477@newssvr27.news.prodigy.net:
Fred Stone wrote:
"Mike Painter" <mddotpainter@sbcglobal.net> wrote in news:fzE0f.452
$dB4.244@newssvr12.news.prodigy.com:
Fred Stone wrote:
"Budikka666" <budikka1@netscape.net> wrote in
news:1128461721.631106.69600@f14g2000cwb.googlegroups.com:
Mike Painter wrote:
Not to mention most of the rest of the industrialized world.
Naturally Fred would pick the country that is in horrible
condition because of the way it has been treated by the USA.
I've put Stone in the same bag as Earl Weber, marked it
"worthless junk" and thrown it in the trash. He's not worth the
time of day. He's completely blind to reality, he denies
established facts on
Budikka proves that there's no evidence in the world that will
convince a gulliberal that his "known facts" are *****.
nothing more than the "weight" of his own say-so, he can neither
carry on a rational discussion nor support a thing he blathers
about. He tosses out straw men like a tornado in a barn, he's a
liar and a hypocrite, and he's not even an atheist. He's an
adherent of the Bush-I-Do religion. In short, he's *exactly*
like Duck *****.
Translation: "Fred kicks my ***** every time I try to argue with
him."
You have demonstrated that you are exactly like Earl Weber.
When you can refute my arguments *and the support that I cite for
them* as easily as you do Earl's, let me know.
That's exactly the same argument he uses.
Between this and your other response to my post of the interview with
Abu Bakar, you're obviously just being antagonistic.
You quote a source, others quote several sources showing yours is
biased and you refuse to acknowledge them.
I can tell the difference between reputable sources and blithering
moonbats.
Exactly what Earl claims. Even if yours is a blog and ours is the New
York Times you claim yours is right.
That one's not hard at all.
Practically the whole of American mainstream media fail to report
anything but deaths of GI's in Iraq. Not only that, I've shown
*numerous* times where they have distorted or taken out of context
quotes from generals and other military types about Iraq. I've shown
*numerous* times where the full text of a major speech by some general
or the President is *far* different from what was reported in the Knee
Jerk Times.
Earl said "...and a body salinity (same as ocean water)...". when
several sources from the medical field were quoted to show this was
false he used a single web site (The salt Institute) to defend his
claims.
You and he seem to believe that denial is proof.
I believe that *evidence* is *evidence*.
Your evidence consists of only those things that support your views.
Using this approach a person could claim that their team won the
championship because they won all the games you presented evidence
for. You ignore the evidence that shows they lost far more than they
won.
When you present the evidence of those lost games, I might believe you.
The news of the world is filled with the failures of the US in Iraq
and you present isolated evidence of success.
The evidence that I've presented of that is also in the world media.
It's the *failures* that are isolated stories, while the larger
successes are ignored by the media.
Why do you suppose that so many GI milbloggers, both from Iraq and from
here in the states insist that the media is getting the story wrong? Are
they all being censored? If that's the case, why aren't those censors
controlling the reporters too? CNN let Saddam censor them, why wouldn't
they let the US?
Do you really think that reporting only the number of GIs killed is
getting you the whole story? Aren't you even curious as to what those
GIs were doing when they got killed? What do you suppose the *other*
hundred and thirty thousand GIs were doing? Hiding in the Green Zone?
When I post articles from sites like *THESE*, what do you think?
Lies, all lies? Do you even bother to read them? Oh, they're just
bloggers, what do they know?
http://billroggio.com/
http://michaelyon.blogspot.com/
http://www.mudvillegazette.com/
--
Fred Stone
aa# 1369
"If they want to have peace,
they have to accept to be governed by Islam."
- Abu Bakar Bashir
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| User: "Mike Painter" |
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06 Oct 2005 12:00:16 AM |
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Fred Stone wrote:
<snip>
Why do you suppose that so many GI milbloggers, both from Iraq and
from here in the states insist that the media is getting the story
wrong? Are they all being censored? If that's the case, why aren't
those censors controlling the reporters too? CNN let Saddam censor
them, why wouldn't they let the US?
Anyone who has been in the military in times of combat knows how valuable
the experience of the individual soldier is when it comes to reporting the
over all picture.
It is similar to the blind men describing the elephant.
But you support what I said. If you agree with it it's valid and if you
don't it's invalid.
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06 Oct 2005 08:10:35 AM |
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"Mike Painter" <mddotpainter@sbcglobal.net> wrote in
news:Ab21f.722$ht7.507@newssvr21.news.prodigy.com:
Fred Stone wrote:
<snip>
Why do you suppose that so many GI milbloggers, both from Iraq and
from here in the states insist that the media is getting the story
wrong? Are they all being censored? If that's the case, why aren't
those censors controlling the reporters too? CNN let Saddam censor
them, why wouldn't they let the US?
Anyone who has been in the military in times of combat knows how
valuable the experience of the individual soldier is when it comes to
reporting the over all picture.
It is similar to the blind men describing the elephant.
Put a few thousand blind men on that elephant and let them talk it over
and see if they can't figure out what sort of animal it is.
But you support what I said. If you agree with it it's valid and if
you don't it's invalid.
But you support what I have said elsewhere. If you can't deal with it,
just snip it all out and run away.
--
Fred Stone
aa# 1369
"If they want to have peace,
they have to accept to be governed by Islam."
- Abu Bakar Bashir
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| User: "Mike Painter" |
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06 Oct 2005 12:23:58 PM |
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Fred Stone wrote:
"Mike Painter" <mddotpainter@sbcglobal.net> wrote in
news:Ab21f.722$ht7.507@newssvr21.news.prodigy.com:
Fred Stone wrote:
<snip>
Why do you suppose that so many GI milbloggers, both from Iraq and
from here in the states insist that the media is getting the story
wrong? Are they all being censored? If that's the case, why aren't
those censors controlling the reporters too? CNN let Saddam censor
them, why wouldn't they let the US?
Anyone who has been in the military in times of combat knows how
valuable the experience of the individual soldier is when it comes to
reporting the over all picture.
It is similar to the blind men describing the elephant.
Put a few thousand blind men on that elephant and let them talk it
over and see if they can't figure out what sort of animal it is.
Soldiers in combat zones don't have the time or the ability to do such
things. All they see is their part of the elephant.
But you support what I said. If you agree with it it's valid and if
you don't it's invalid.
But you support what I have said elsewhere. If you can't deal with it,
just snip it all out and run away.
Ah, repeating what somebody else said. Another Earl trait.
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06 Oct 2005 02:02:09 PM |
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"Mike Painter" <mddotpainter@sbcglobal.net> wrote in
news:O4d1f.9416$oO2.8123@newssvr27.news.prodigy.net:
Fred Stone wrote:
"Mike Painter" <mddotpainter@sbcglobal.net> wrote in
news:Ab21f.722$ht7.507@newssvr21.news.prodigy.com:
Fred Stone wrote:
<snip>
Why do you suppose that so many GI milbloggers, both from Iraq and
from here in the states insist that the media is getting the story
wrong? Are they all being censored? If that's the case, why aren't
those censors controlling the reporters too? CNN let Saddam censor
them, why wouldn't they let the US?
Anyone who has been in the military in times of combat knows how
valuable the experience of the individual soldier is when it comes
to reporting the over all picture.
It is similar to the blind men describing the elephant.
Put a few thousand blind men on that elephant and let them talk it
over and see if they can't figure out what sort of animal it is.
Soldiers in combat zones don't have the time or the ability to do such
things. All they see is their part of the elephant.
Proving only how little you have read of the New Media and the first-
hand reporting from Iraq.
But you support what I said. If you agree with it it's valid and if
you don't it's invalid.
But you support what I have said elsewhere. If you can't deal with
it, just snip it all out and run away.
Ah, repeating what somebody else said. Another Earl trait.
Snip and run, namecalling, just the usual lefty denial. You do nothing
but provide evidence to support my contentions.
--
Fred Stone
aa# 1369
"If they want to have peace,
they have to accept to be governed by Islam."
- Abu Bakar Bashir
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| User: "stoney" |
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06 Oct 2005 11:33:26 AM |
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On 3 Oct 2005 15:09:24 -0700, "Budikka666" <budikka1@netscape.net>
wrote:
Special note in case any lying cowardly hypocritical braindead *****
dimwit fucks cluelessly think that Iraqi women had no formal education
under the Hussein regime:
The Iraqi constitution during Hussein's regime specified in 1970 that
women and men were equal before the law. The Catholics don't even do
this today.
The 70s and 80s saw economic growth and a state policy to remove
illiteracy and to educate women, who became some of the best educated
in the Middle East.
Women were able to get jobs and higher education. They could also get
better medical coverage than 40 million Americans can today. Iraqi
maternity leave was **FIVE PAID YEARS** and just 25 years ago, women
could vote and stand for election.
All of this started going down the tubes around the time of the first
gulf war, and now they have nothing.
By Bushian designs.
--
Contempt of Congress meter reading-offscale.
Hello, theocracy with a fundamentalist US Supreme
Court who will ensure church and state are joined
at the hip like clergy and altar boys.
America 1776-Jan 2001 RIP
"As democracy is perfected, the office of president
represents, more and more closely, the inner soul
of the people. On some great and glorious day the
plain folks of the land will reach their heart's
desire at last and the White House will be adorned
by a downright moron." --- H.L. Mencken (1880 - 1956)
Religion is the original war crime.
-Michelle Malkin (Feb 26, 2005)
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| User: "bigmick" |
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01 Oct 2005 04:18:47 AM |
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in light of this, i wonder how the death rates will compare both during
the time of saddam and during this new era. with saddam gone the
psychotic killings are no longer, but will the fundamentalists bring
this nonsense back in the form of fascism?
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| User: "Fred Stone" |
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01 Oct 2005 07:46:12 AM |
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"bigmick" <riot_starta@hotmail.com> wrote in news:1128158327.721881.135920
@z14g2000cwz.googlegroups.com:
in light of this, i wonder how the death rates will compare both during
the time of saddam and during this new era. with saddam gone the
psychotic killings are no longer, but will the fundamentalists bring
this nonsense back in the form of fascism?
Not likely. The worst of the fundamentalists are very unpopular because
they're resisting the constitutional process and the elections.
--
Fred Stone
aa# 1369
"Honesty is the best policy, but insanity is a better defense."
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| User: "Kevin Anthoney" |
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01 Oct 2005 08:26:03 AM |
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Fred Stone wrote:
"bigmick" <riot_starta@hotmail.com> wrote in news:1128158327.721881.135920
@z14g2000cwz.googlegroups.com:
in light of this, i wonder how the death rates will compare both during
the time of saddam and during this new era. with saddam gone the
psychotic killings are no longer, but will the fundamentalists bring
this nonsense back in the form of fascism?
Not likely. The worst of the fundamentalists are very unpopular because
they're resisting the constitutional process and the elections.
I see. So it's not the blowing people up that makes them unpopular?
--
Kevin Anthoney
kanthoney[a]dsl.pipex.com
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| User: "Fred Stone" |
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01 Oct 2005 08:59:14 AM |
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Kevin Anthoney <kevin_anthoney@hotmail.com> wrote in
news:1MKdnThJDJjwE6PenZ2dnUVZ8qCdnZ2d@pipex.net:
Fred Stone wrote:
"bigmick" <riot_starta@hotmail.com> wrote in
news:1128158327.721881.135920 @z14g2000cwz.googlegroups.com:
in light of this, i wonder how the death rates will compare both
during the time of saddam and during this new era. with saddam gone
the psychotic killings are no longer, but will the fundamentalists
bring this nonsense back in the form of fascism?
Not likely. The worst of the fundamentalists are very unpopular
because they're resisting the constitutional process and the
elections.
I see. So it's not the blowing people up that makes them unpopular?
That's another reason, but that only affects their enemies. The one
about resisting the constitution is affecting their erstwhile supporters
too.
--
Fred Stone
aa# 1369
"Honesty is the best policy, but insanity is a better defense."
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| User: "stoney" |
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06 Oct 2005 11:32:39 AM |
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On Sat, 01 Oct 2005 14:26:03 +0100, Kevin Anthoney
<kevin_anthoney@hotmail.com> wrote:
Fred Stone wrote:
"bigmick" <riot_starta@hotmail.com> wrote in news:1128158327.721881.135920
@z14g2000cwz.googlegroups.com:
in light of this, i wonder how the death rates will compare both during
the time of saddam and during this new era. with saddam gone the
psychotic killings are no longer, but will the fundamentalists bring
this nonsense back in the form of fascism?
Not likely. The worst of the fundamentalists are very unpopular because
they're resisting the constitutional process and the elections.
I see. So it's not the blowing people up that makes them unpopular?
ROFLMAO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
--
Contempt of Congress meter reading-offscale.
Hello, theocracy with a fundamentalist US Supreme
Court who will ensure church and state are joined
at the hip like clergy and altar boys.
America 1776-Jan 2001 RIP
"As democracy is perfected, the office of president
represents, more and more closely, the inner soul
of the people. On some great and glorious day the
plain folks of the land will reach their heart's
desire at last and the White House will be adorned
by a downright moron." --- H.L. Mencken (1880 - 1956)
Religion is the original war crime.
-Michelle Malkin (Feb 26, 2005)
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| User: "stoney" |
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06 Oct 2005 11:32:12 AM |
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On 1 Oct 2005 02:18:47 -0700, "bigmick" <riot_starta@hotmail.com>
wrote:
in light of this, i wonder how the death rates will compare both during
the time of saddam and during this new era. with saddam gone the
psychotic killings are no longer, but will the fundamentalists bring
this nonsense back in the form of fascism?
Of course.
--
Contempt of Congress meter reading-offscale.
Hello, theocracy with a fundamentalist US Supreme
Court who will ensure church and state are joined
at the hip like clergy and altar boys.
America 1776-Jan 2001 RIP
"As democracy is perfected, the office of president
represents, more and more closely, the inner soul
of the people. On some great and glorious day the
plain folks of the land will reach their heart's
desire at last and the White House will be adorned
by a downright moron." --- H.L. Mencken (1880 - 1956)
Religion is the original war crime.
-Michelle Malkin (Feb 26, 2005)
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