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"New10." |
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22 Nov 2004 07:56:18 PM |
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Iraq in the second Viet Nam |
Iraq in the second Viet Nam
By New10.
It is apparent to me that the war in Iraq is the second Viet Nam. Christian
fundamentalism was not as vociferous during that unpopular war of Americans.
Now the fundamentalists are out of their holes and have power in the White
House supporting this new wave of butchering. Over 1200 young men and women
have given their lives just because Jesus told President Bush to attack
Iraq. I wonder if Bush ever thinks about our young soldiers dieing in a
country thousands of miles from home while he is feasting on a steak dinner.
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| User: "johac" |
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23 Nov 2004 12:54:16 AM |
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In article <6Nwod.12449$Uj.617@twister.socal.rr.com>,
"New10." <drnjoseph@socal.rr.com> wrote:
Iraq in the second Viet Nam
By New10.
It is apparent to me that the war in Iraq is the second Viet Nam.
You'd think that we would learn from our past mistakes.
Christian
fundamentalism was not as vociferous during that unpopular war of Americans.
Now the fundamentalists are out of their holes and have power in the White
House supporting this new wave of butchering. Over 1200 young men and women
have given their lives just because Jesus told President Bush to attack
Iraq. I wonder if Bush ever thinks about our young soldiers dieing in a
country thousands of miles from home while he is feasting on a steak dinner.
I doubt it.
--
John Hachmann aa #1782
Which raises the question: Can a people that believes more fervently
in theVirgin Birth than in evolution still be called an Enlightened
nation?-Garry Wills, New York Times 11/04/04
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| User: "Al Klein" |
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22 Nov 2004 10:09:14 PM |
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On Tue, 23 Nov 2004 01:56:18 GMT, "New10." <drnjoseph@socal.rr.com>
said in alt.atheism:
It is apparent to me that the war in Iraq is the second Viet Nam. Christian
fundamentalism was not as vociferous during that unpopular war of Americans.
Now the fundamentalists are out of their holes and have power in the White
House supporting this new wave of butchering. Over 1200 young men and women
have given their lives just because Jesus told President Bush to attack
Iraq.
Many more than that - you're forgetting all the Iraqi men and women.
I wonder if Bush ever thinks about our young soldiers dieing in a
country thousands of miles from home while he is feasting on a steak dinner.
He didn't think of them when he went AWOL, so why should he think of
them now?
--
"Christians, it is needless to say, utterly detest each other. They slander each
other constantly with the vilest forms of abuse and cannot come to any sort of
agreement in their teachings. Each sect brands its own, fills the head of its own
with deceitful nonsense, and makes perfect little pigs of those it wins over to its
side."
- Celsus On the True Doctrine, translated by R. Joseph Hoffman, Oxford University Press, 1987
(random sig, produced by SigChanger)
rukbat at verizon dot net
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| User: "duke" |
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23 Nov 2004 05:14:43 PM |
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On Tue, 23 Nov 2004 01:56:18 GMT, "New10." <drnjoseph@socal.rr.com> wrote:
Iraq in the second Viet Nam
By New10.
It is apparent to me that the war in Iraq is the second Viet Nam.
You're not even close. You're too much of a child mentally to know what the Vietnam war
was about.
duke
*****
Matthew 22
14"For many are invited, but few are chosen."
*****
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| User: "BDK" |
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24 Nov 2004 09:49:11 AM |
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In article <g1h7q0l3410vfm0u7rv9bmn7ptqiguojdi@4ax.com>,
duckgumbo32@cox.net says...
On Tue, 23 Nov 2004 01:56:18 GMT, "New10." <drnjoseph@socal.rr.com> wrote:
Iraq in the second Viet Nam
By New10.
It is apparent to me that the war in Iraq is the second Viet Nam.
You're not even close. You're too much of a child mentally to know what the Vietnam war
was about.
duke
*****
Matthew 22
14"For many are invited, but few are chosen."
*****
LOL! you owe me an Irony Meter Dooky!! Sometimes you
really hit yourself on your own head...
BDK
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| User: "Mike Painter" |
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24 Nov 2004 01:20:18 PM |
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BDK wrote:
In article <g1h7q0l3410vfm0u7rv9bmn7ptqiguojdi@4ax.com>,
duckgumbo32@cox.net says...
On Tue, 23 Nov 2004 01:56:18 GMT, "New10." <drnjoseph@socal.rr.com>
wrote:
Iraq in the second Viet Nam
By New10.
It is apparent to me that the war in Iraq is the second Viet Nam.
You're not even close. You're too much of a child mentally to know
what the Vietnam war was about.
duke
*****
Matthew 22
14"For many are invited, but few are chosen."
*****
LOL! you owe me an Irony Meter Dooky!! Sometimes you
really hit yourself on your own head...
BDK
I'd have to side with Earl on this one. If you haven't learned by now to
turn off, unplug and move your meter at least three feet from the computer
when reading Weber's stuff, it is your own fault.
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| User: "duke" |
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24 Nov 2004 05:42:36 PM |
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On Wed, 24 Nov 2004 19:20:18 GMT, "Mike Painter" <mddotpainter@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
I'd have to side with Earl on this one. If you haven't learned by now to
turn off, unplug and move your meter at least three feet from the computer
when reading Weber's stuff, it is your own fault.
You know what they say about you, mikey - you are a mean drunk.
duke
*****
Matthew 22
14"For many are invited, but few are chosen."
*****
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| User: "Johnny Asia pope_about_town at Xyahoo.com " |
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24 Nov 2004 10:12:50 AM |
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On Wed, 24 Nov 2004 10:49:11 -0500, BDK
<kingratboyoboy@buckeye-express.com> wrote:
In article <g1h7q0l3410vfm0u7rv9bmn7ptqiguojdi@4ax.com>,
duckgumbo32@cox.net says...
On Tue, 23 Nov 2004 01:56:18 GMT, "New10." <drnjoseph@socal.rr.com> wrote:
Iraq in the second Viet Nam
By New10.
It is apparent to me that the war in Iraq is the second Viet Nam.
You're not even close. You're too much of a child mentally to know what the Vietnam war
was about.
It was mostly about the oil.
At the early stage of oil exploration in offshore southern Vietnam,
the former Saigon Administration allowed oil companies including
Pecten, Mobil, Esso and Marathon to conduct petroleum activities
through concession agreements.
Herbert Hoover, later to become President of the United States did a
study that showed that one of the world's largest oil fields ran along
the coast of the South China Sea right off French Indo-China, now
known as Vietnam.
- Denny, Ludwell, We Fight of Oil, Alfred A. Knopf, New York, 1928.
US analyst Ludwell Denny in his book "We Fight for Oil" noted the
domestic oil shortage and says international diplomacy had failed to
secure any reliable foreign sources of oil for the United States. Fear
of oil shortages would become the most important factor in
international relations, Denny said.
"That empire in Southeast Asia is the last major resource area outside
the control of any one of the major powers of the globe....I believe
that the condition of the Vietnamese people, and the direction in
which their future may be going, are at this stage secondary, not
primary." (Senator McGee, D-Wyo., in the U.S. Senate, Feb. 17, 1965)
In a 1965 speech in Asia, Richard Nixon argued in favor of bombing
North Vietnam to protect the "immense mineral potential" of Indonesia,
which he later referred to as "by far the greatest prize in the
southeast Asian area."
To protect its prizes, the US eventually killed over four million
people in Vietnam, Cambodia and Laos between 1965 and 1975. In South
Vietnam alone, the war resulted in a million widows and 879,000
orphans. It destroyed 9000 out of 15,000 hamlets, almost 40,000 square
miles of farmland and 18,750 square miles of forest.
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Coordinating Committee for Geoscience Programmes in East and Southeast
Asia (CCOP)
http://www.ccop.or.th/epf/vietnam/vietnam_terms.html
PETROLEUM AGREEMENTS
"The first type of oil and gas agreement applied in Vietnam was the
concession system, in which an oil company is permitted by the host
country to explore and produce petroleum on a certain area on the
condition that it must pay to the State of this country compulsory
taxes with a fixed rate. At the early stage of oil exploration in
offshore southern Vietnam, the former Saigon Administration allowed
oil companies including Pecten, Mobil, Esso and Marathon to conduct
petroleum activities through concession agreements.
After the establishment of PetroVietnam in 1975, in recognition of the
advantage of the production-sharing system, it has been chosen as a
basic frame for petroleum contracts."
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PETROVIETNAM, EXPLORATION OPPORTUNITIES FOR OIL AND NATURAL GAS IN
VIET NAM
I.2 Exploration History
The exploration activities for petroleum started in the early 1960s in
the Song Hong Delta, northern Vietnam, with assistance of the former
Soviet Union. By the late 1970’s, almost 40 wells had been drilled in
the region, however, only one small gas field was commercially
developed. At the same period, exploration went on in the southern
continental shelf through concession agreements signed with
international oil companies including Mobil, Esso, Pecten, Marathon,
and Texas Union.
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http://www.angelfire.com/co/COMMONSENSE/vietnam.html
+
"The power of accurate observation is called cynicism
by those who have not got it." - G. B. Shaw
Want to know what's really going on in Iraq?
http://www.angelfire.com/co/COMMONSENSE/wakeup.html
The Rise and Fall of the Holy Roller Empire
The God-Awful Truth about Christian Zionism
http://www.angelfire.com/co/COMMONSENSE/armageddon.html
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| User: "Gary_Roselles:_A_Loony" |
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25 Nov 2004 07:23:13 AM |
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Johnny Asia <pope_about_town at Xyahoo.com > wrote in message news:<fnc9q01f00bbdi6o9ir17rk77hqgoqlf5n@4ax.com>...
On Wed, 24 Nov 2004 10:49:11 -0500, BDK
<kingratboyoboy@buckeye-express.com> wrote:
In article <g1h7q0l3410vfm0u7rv9bmn7ptqiguojdi@4ax.com>,
duckgumbo32@cox.net says...
On Tue, 23 Nov 2004 01:56:18 GMT, "New10." <drnjoseph@socal.rr.com> wrote:
Iraq in the second Viet Nam
By New10.
It is apparent to me that the war in Iraq is the second Viet Nam.
You're not even close. You're too much of a child mentally to know what the Vietnam war
was about.
It was mostly about the oil.
Actually, mr owings, it was about keeping murderous, atheist communism
out of South East asia.
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RC
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| User: "Therion Ware" |
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25 Nov 2004 07:37:10 AM |
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On 25 Nov 2004 05:23:13 -0800 in alt.atheism, Gary_Roselles:_A_Loony
(isopropyl666@excite.com (Gary_Roselles:_A_Loony)) said, directing the
reply to alt.atheism
Johnny Asia <pope_about_town at Xyahoo.com > wrote in message news:<fnc9q01f00bbdi6o9ir17rk77hqgoqlf5n@4ax.com>...
On Wed, 24 Nov 2004 10:49:11 -0500, BDK
<kingratboyoboy@buckeye-express.com> wrote:
In article <g1h7q0l3410vfm0u7rv9bmn7ptqiguojdi@4ax.com>,
duckgumbo32@cox.net says...
On Tue, 23 Nov 2004 01:56:18 GMT, "New10." <drnjoseph@socal.rr.com> wrote:
Iraq in the second Viet Nam
By New10.
It is apparent to me that the war in Iraq is the second Viet Nam.
You're not even close. You're too much of a child mentally to know what the Vietnam war
was about.
It was mostly about the oil.
Actually, mr owings, it was about keeping murderous, atheist communism
out of South East asia.
4/10. Must do better.
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| User: "Johnny Asia" |
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25 Nov 2004 12:24:37 PM |
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On 25 Nov 2004 05:23:13 -0800 in alt.atheism, Gary_Roselles:_A_Loony
(isopropyl666@excite.com (Gary_Roselles:_A_Loony)) said, directing the
reply to alt.atheism
it was about keeping murderous, atheist communism
out of South East asia.
So the godly US murdered 4 million people to prevent murder by the ungodly?
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| User: "Gary_Roselles:_A_Loony" |
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27 Nov 2004 03:54:47 AM |
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(Johnny Asia) wrote in message news:<8b4ec0c2.0411251024.349e60b9@posting.google.com>...
On 25 Nov 2004 05:23:13 -0800 in alt.atheism, Gary_Roselles:_A_Loony
(isopropyl666@excite.com (Gary_Roselles:_A_Loony)) said, directing the
reply to alt.atheism
it was about keeping murderous, atheist communism
out of South East asia.
So the godly US murdered 4 million people to prevent murder by the ungodly?
Nope.
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| User: "RCMan" |
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30 Nov 2004 11:24:05 AM |
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(Johnny Asia) wrote in message news:<8b4ec0c2.0411251024.349e60b9@posting.google.com>...
On 25 Nov 2004 05:23:13 -0800 in alt.atheism, Gary_Roselles:_A_Loony
(isopropyl666@excite.com (Gary_Roselles:_A_Loony)) said, directing the
reply to alt.atheism
it was about keeping murderous, atheist communism
out of South East asia.
So the godly US murdered 4 million people to prevent murder by the ungodly?
news:<8b4ec0c2.0411251024.349e60b9@posting.google.com>...
On 25 Nov 2004 05:23:13 -0800 in alt.atheism, Gary_Roselles:_A_Loony
(isopropyl666@excite.com (Gary_Roselles:_A_Loony)) said, directing the
reply to alt.atheism
it was about keeping murderous, atheist communism
out of South East asia.
So the godly US murdered 4 million people to prevent murder by the ungodly?
In the same sense that the godly US murdered 60+ million people in
1939-45 in order to defeat Italy, Germany and Japan.
=====
RC
"Actually, for all intents and purposes, I am the ***** Messiah!"
--- John Owings, AKA "Johnny Asia"
For example: http://www.angelfire.com/art2/painterny/spirit_wizard.jpg
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| User: "duke" |
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24 Nov 2004 05:40:49 PM |
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On Wed, 24 Nov 2004 10:49:11 -0500, BDK <kingratboyoboy@buckeye-express.com> wrote:
LOL! you owe me an Irony Meter Dooky!! Sometimes you
really hit yourself on your own head...
BDK
Don't you mean I hit you in the head? Your meter is the one that went off.
duke
*****
Matthew 22
14"For many are invited, but few are chosen."
*****
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| User: "BDK" |
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25 Nov 2004 09:12:25 AM |
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In article <hu6aq05ff2nr7gnkmm54tkjh60fvb1kkmq@4ax.com>,
duckgumbo32@cox.net says...
On Wed, 24 Nov 2004 10:49:11 -0500, BDK <kingratboyoboy@buckeye-express.com> wrote:
LOL! you owe me an Irony Meter Dooky!! Sometimes you
really hit yourself on your own head...
BDK
Don't you mean I hit you in the head? Your meter is the one that went off.
duke
*****
Matthew 22
14"For many are invited, but few are chosen."
*****
Nooooo, Dooky, I meant that you say some of the dumbest
*****, and you really hit yourself (make you look stupid,
like you always so)in the head. Again and again, and
again. No surprise there I guess.
Isn't there a TF30 out in the garage you can fire up and
masturbate with? There should be good vaccuum off the
intake side, at least until it flames out.
BDK
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| User: "Mike Painter" |
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23 Nov 2004 07:40:29 PM |
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duke wrote:
On Tue, 23 Nov 2004 01:56:18 GMT, "New10." <drnjoseph@socal.rr.com>
wrote:
Iraq in the second Viet Nam
By New10.
It is apparent to me that the war in Iraq is the second Viet Nam.
You're not even close. You're too much of a child mentally to know
what the Vietnam war was about.
Earl probably still accepts the Domino theory.
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| User: "New10." |
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23 Nov 2004 08:58:47 PM |
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"Mike Painter"
VIETNAM WHY DID WE GO?
By New10.
After reading in my Freethought Today June /July 2001 the article Religion &
the Vietnam war did I hear cardinal Spellman the Catholic Church and Vietnam
mentioned together. "Religion & the Vietnam Debacle buy Jeffrey D.Vowles.
It was during the Vietnam War I heard a military officer say in effect it
was the Catholic Church who was behind the war in Vietnam. The second time
was a five-page article in the Los Angeles Examiner just before they closed
their doors for the last time.
I remember seeing in the evening news Buddhists monks immolating
themselves with gasoline. This was to call attention to the persecution and
massacre they were suffering at the hands of the Catholic president Diem and
his brother Ngo Dinh Diem the brother, who was head of the secret police who
wanted Vietnam to be a Catholic country.
The takeover of Vietnam by the Catholic minority with the help of the
Vatican is exactly what happened thirty years earlier with the blessing of
Hitler and the Vatican to form a Catholic state of Croatia out of what used
to be Yugoslavia and the massacre of Moslems and eastern orthodox. And yet
the Catholic church claims they are the arbiters of morality.
With the defeat of France and Japan, the Vietnamese freedom fighters
declared the independence of Vietnam. A French Vietnam puppet prime minister
and a Vietnamese Catholic bishop appealed to the Vatican. Joseph Kennedy,
cardinal Spellman, John Foster Dulles, the catholic lobby, and the Vatican
all pressed for war to "save" Vietnam from communism. Some in the press
called it Spellman's war. Cardinal Spellman was made vicar General of the US
Armed forces and called the GI's the "soldiers of Christ"
Every man and women who died in the Vietnam, died for a religious cause,
Catholicism
I suggest "Vietnam Why Did We Go?" by Avro Manhattan, a world renowned
authority on roman Catholicism in politics, As a resident of London, during
world war two, he operated a radio station called"Radio Freedom",
brodcasting to ocupied Europe. He also wrote political commentaries for the
BBC(British Broad Casting)
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| User: "bluskie" |
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24 Nov 2004 12:50:44 PM |
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"New10." <drnjoseph@socal.rr.com> wrote in message news:<HNSod.105876$Kl3.30707@twister.socal.rr.com>...
VIETNAM WHY DID WE GO?
It was during the Vietnam War I heard a military officer say in
effect it
was the Catholic Church who was behind the war in Vietnam.
That's correct, jesus wanted the masses of evil sinners to kill one
another in order to make the future a better world for our children,
that and so we could sell them something.
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| User: "Mike Painter" |
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24 Nov 2004 01:41:23 AM |
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New10. wrote:
"Mike Painter"
Possible but the reason we were given was that if Vietnam fell to the
commies then another country would fall and another etc. Our job was to help
stop the falling dominos by saving the people.
I was in the stupid army at the time and got out just as the escalation
started but a lot of people I knew re-upped so they could go over there and
help the people.
They found out the people did not want their help.
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| User: "Johnny Asia pope_about_town at Xyahoo.com " |
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24 Nov 2004 05:28:47 AM |
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On Wed, 24 Nov 2004 02:58:47 GMT, "New10." <drnjoseph@socal.rr.com>
wrote:
VIETNAM WHY DID WE GO?
It was mostly about the oil.
At the early stage of oil exploration in offshore southern Vietnam,
the former Saigon Administration allowed oil companies including
Pecten, Mobil, Esso and Marathon to conduct petroleum activities
through concession agreements.
Herbert Hoover, later to become President of the United States did a
study that showed that one of the world's largest oil fields ran along
the coast of the South China Sea right off French Indo-China, now
known as Vietnam.
- Denny, Ludwell, We Fight of Oil, Alfred A. Knopf, New York, 1928.
US analyst Ludwell Denny in his book "We Fight for Oil" noted the
domestic oil shortage and says international diplomacy had failed to
secure any reliable foreign sources of oil for the United States. Fear
of oil shortages would become the most important factor in
international relations, Denny said.
"That empire in Southeast Asia is the last major resource area outside
the control of any one of the major powers of the globe....I believe
that the condition of the Vietnamese people, and the direction in
which their future may be going, are at this stage secondary, not
primary." (Senator McGee, D-Wyo., in the U.S. Senate, Feb. 17, 1965)
In a 1965 speech in Asia, Richard Nixon argued in favor of bombing
North Vietnam to protect the "immense mineral potential" of Indonesia,
which he later referred to as "by far the greatest prize in the
southeast Asian area."
To protect its prizes, the US eventually killed over four million
people in Vietnam, Cambodia and Laos between 1965 and 1975. In South
Vietnam alone, the war resulted in a million widows and 879,000
orphans. It destroyed 9000 out of 15,000 hamlets, almost 40,000 square
miles of farmland and 18,750 square miles of forest.
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Coordinating Committee for Geoscience Programmes in East and Southeast
Asia (CCOP)
http://www.ccop.or.th/epf/vietnam/vietnam_terms.html
PETROLEUM AGREEMENTS
"The first type of oil and gas agreement applied in Vietnam was the
concession system, in which an oil company is permitted by the host
country to explore and produce petroleum on a certain area on the
condition that it must pay to the State of this country compulsory
taxes with a fixed rate. At the early stage of oil exploration in
offshore southern Vietnam, the former Saigon Administration allowed
oil companies including Pecten, Mobil, Esso and Marathon to conduct
petroleum activities through concession agreements.
After the establishment of PetroVietnam in 1975, in recognition of the
advantage of the production-sharing system, it has been chosen as a
basic frame for petroleum contracts."
-------------------------------------------------------------------------
PETROVIETNAM, EXPLORATION OPPORTUNITIES FOR OIL AND NATURAL GAS IN
VIET NAM
I.2 Exploration History
The exploration activities for petroleum started in the early 1960s in
the Song Hong Delta, northern Vietnam, with assistance of the former
Soviet Union. By the late 1970’s, almost 40 wells had been drilled in
the region, however, only one small gas field was commercially
developed. At the same period, exploration went on in the southern
continental shelf through concession agreements signed with
international oil companies including Mobil, Esso, Pecten, Marathon,
and Texas Union.
---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
http://www.angelfire.com/co/COMMONSENSE/vietnam.html
+
"The power of accurate observation is called cynicism
by those who have not got it." - G. B. Shaw
Want to know what's really going on in Iraq?
http://www.angelfire.com/co/COMMONSENSE/wakeup.html
The Rise and Fall of the Holy Roller Empire
The God-Awful Truth about Christian Zionism
http://www.angelfire.com/co/COMMONSENSE/armageddon.html
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