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"Dr. Newto Joseph" |
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12 Feb 2005 08:30:27 PM |
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Iraq is the second Viet Nam |
Iraq is the second Viet Nam
By new10.
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It is apparent to me that the war in Iraq is the second Viet Nam. Christian
fundamentalism was not as vociferous during that unpopular war of America.
Now the fundamentalists are out of their holes and have power in the White
House supporting this new wave of butchering. Over 1200 young men and women
have given their lives just because Jesus told President Bush to attack
Iraq. I wonder if Bush ever thinks about our young soldiers dieing in a
country thousands of miles from home while he is feasting on a steak dinner.
On one of the news programs they were showing how men who have families,
jobs and businesses who were in the reserve are called back to serve in
Iraq. Mothers with young children must find jobs to sustain themselves, how
obscene can you get?
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| User: "Lester Solnin" |
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| Title: Re: Iraq is the second Viet Nam |
13 Feb 2005 03:58:27 PM |
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"Dr. Newto Joseph" <drnjoseph@socal.rr.com> wrote in message
news:7ZyPd.3747$Tj7.2427@twister.socal.rr.com...
Iraq is the second Viet Nam
By new10.
X
It is apparent to me that the war in Iraq is the second Viet Nam.
Christian
fundamentalism was not as vociferous during that unpopular war of America.
Now the fundamentalists are out of their holes and have power in the White
House supporting this new wave of butchering. Over 1200 young men and
women
have given their lives just because Jesus told President Bush to attack
Iraq. I wonder if Bush ever thinks about our young soldiers dieing in a
country thousands of miles from home while he is feasting on a steak
dinner.
On one of the news programs they were showing how men who have families,
jobs and businesses who were in the reserve are called back to serve in
Iraq. Mothers with young children must find jobs to sustain themselves,
how
obscene can you get?
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One more thing Doctor, I beleive the Christian Fundalmentalists (including
Bush) do not believe in having one parent household. How many Americans now
have single parent households because of this war??? And in Iraq??? Well,
the christian fundalmentalists do not care about that problem in
Iraq...they're not christian!!!
Les
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| User: "Neil Kelsey" |
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| Title: Re: Iraq is the second Viet Nam |
13 Feb 2005 02:36:56 AM |
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"Dr. Newto Joseph" <drnjoseph@socal.rr.com> wrote in message
news:7ZyPd.3747$Tj7.2427@twister.socal.rr.com...
Iraq is the second Viet Nam
By new10.
X
It is apparent to me that the war in Iraq is the second Viet Nam.
Christian
fundamentalism was not as vociferous during that unpopular war of America.
Now the fundamentalists are out of their holes and have power in the White
House supporting this new wave of butchering. Over 1200 young men and
women
have given their lives just because Jesus told President Bush to attack
Iraq. I wonder if Bush ever thinks about our young soldiers dieing in a
country thousands of miles from home while he is feasting on a steak
dinner.
On one of the news programs they were showing how men who have families,
jobs and businesses who were in the reserve are called back to serve in
Iraq. Mothers with young children must find jobs to sustain themselves,
how
obscene can you get?
The big difference (to me) between Iraq and Vietnam is that there is no
draft. As long as there is no draft, the American public may grumble about
this war but they will accept it.
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| User: "maff" |
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| Title: Re: Iraq is the second Viet Nam |
13 Feb 2005 03:18:08 AM |
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Neil Kelsey wrote:
"Dr. Newto Joseph" <drnjoseph@socal.rr.com> wrote in message
news:7ZyPd.3747$Tj7.2427@twister.socal.rr.com...
Iraq is the second Viet Nam
By new10.
X
It is apparent to me that the war in Iraq is the second Viet Nam.
Christian
fundamentalism was not as vociferous during that unpopular war of
America.
Now the fundamentalists are out of their holes and have power in
the White
House supporting this new wave of butchering. Over 1200 young men
and
women
have given their lives just because Jesus told President Bush to
attack
Iraq. I wonder if Bush ever thinks about our young soldiers dieing
in a
country thousands of miles from home while he is feasting on a
steak
dinner.
On one of the news programs they were showing how men who have
families,
jobs and businesses who were in the reserve are called back to
serve in
Iraq. Mothers with young children must find jobs to sustain
themselves,
how
obscene can you get?
The big difference (to me) between Iraq and Vietnam is that there is
no
draft. As long as there is no draft, the American public may grumble
about
this war but they will accept it.
Even if the war costs more than a couple trillions of dollars? Do you
think World's bankers and investors are stupid?
Waiting for the barbarians
http://www.guardian.co.uk/saturday_review/story/0,3605,564084,00.html
A once-great empire, Rome fell into catastrophic cultural and economic
decline. Morris Berman on chilling parallels with modern America
Saturday October 6, 2001
The Guardian
When I wrote my recent book, The Twilight of American Culture, my focus
was on what might be called "inner" barbarism, the structural factors
endemic to American society that were, I believed, bringing about its
disintegration.
The contemporary American situation could be compared to that of Rome
in the Late Empire period, and the factors involved in the process of
decline in each case are pretty much the same: a steadily widening gap
between rich and poor; declining marginal returns with regard to
investment in organisational solutions to socioeconomic problems (in
the US, dwindling funds for social security and medicare); rapidly
dropping levels of literacy, critical understanding, and general
intellectual awareness; and what might be called "spiritual death":
apathy, cynicism, political corruption, loss of public spirit, and the
repackaging of cultural content (eg "democracy") as slogans and
formulas.
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| User: "Al Klein" |
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| Title: Re: Iraq is the second Viet Nam |
13 Feb 2005 05:06:50 PM |
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On Sun, 13 Feb 2005 08:36:56 GMT, "Neil Kelsey"
<neil_kelsey@telus.net> said in alt.atheism:
The big difference (to me) between Iraq and Vietnam is that there is no
draft. As long as there is no draft, the American public may grumble about
this war but they will accept it.
Until the "need" for a draft becomes "apparent". Then they'll accept
the draft too.
(The "need" for the draft will be as "apparent" as Saddam's WMD have
been. I'm still surprised that the administration didn't plant any.)
--
"If anyone comes to me, and does not hate his father, mother, wife, brothers, and sisters and even himself, he cannot be my disciple."
Luke 14:26
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| User: "Enkidu" |
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| Title: Re: Iraq is the second Viet Nam |
13 Feb 2005 05:11:55 PM |
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Al Klein <rukbat@pern.invalid> wrote in
news:b7nv011aehrqhb0tpblp5n7v28v9d8bg96@4ax.com:
On Sun, 13 Feb 2005 08:36:56 GMT, "Neil Kelsey"
<neil_kelsey@telus.net> said in alt.atheism:
The big difference (to me) between Iraq and Vietnam is that there is
no draft. As long as there is no draft, the American public may
grumble about this war but they will accept it.
Until the "need" for a draft becomes "apparent". Then they'll accept
the draft too.
(The "need" for the draft will be as "apparent" as Saddam's WMD have
been. I'm still surprised that the administration didn't plant any.)
I'm sure they thought about it.
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Enkidu
The Bible was written by the same people who said the Earth was flat.
-- bumper sticker
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| User: "Fred Stone" |
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| Title: Re: Iraq is the second Viet Nam |
13 Feb 2005 05:24:14 PM |
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Al Klein <rukbat@pern.invalid> wrote in
news:b7nv011aehrqhb0tpblp5n7v28v9d8bg96@4ax.com:
On Sun, 13 Feb 2005 08:36:56 GMT, "Neil Kelsey"
<neil_kelsey@telus.net> said in alt.atheism:
The big difference (to me) between Iraq and Vietnam is that there is
no draft. As long as there is no draft, the American public may
grumble about this war but they will accept it.
Until the "need" for a draft becomes "apparent". Then they'll accept
the draft too.
(The "need" for the draft will be as "apparent" as Saddam's WMD have
been. I'm still surprised that the administration didn't plant any.)
You were simply wrong about them planting the WMD.
You'll be wrong about a draft too.
The *only* people talking seriously about a military draft are
*Democrats*.
--
Fred Stone
aa# 1369
Where am I to go, now that I've gone too far?
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| User: "Komin" |
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| Title: Re: Iraq is the second Viet Nam |
12 Feb 2005 09:36:31 PM |
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No Iraq is not a Vietnam ,
Iran will a Vietnam .
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| User: "Al Klein" |
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13 Feb 2005 12:18:07 AM |
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On 12 Feb 2005 19:36:31 -0800, "Komin" <veakrin@gmail.com> said in
alt.atheism:
No Iraq is not a Vietnam ,
Iran will a Vietnam .
Let's just hope Iraq won't be a Korea. Fifty-five years and counting.
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"Every sensible man, every honest man, must hold the christian sect in horror. 'But what
shall we substitute in its place?' you say. What? A ferocious animal has sucked the
blood of my relatives. I tell you to rid yourselves of this beast and you ask me what
you shall put in its place?" - Voltaire
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| User: "Al Klein" |
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| Title: Re: Iraq is the second Viet Nam |
12 Feb 2005 11:03:05 PM |
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On Sun, 13 Feb 2005 02:30:27 GMT, "Dr. Newto Joseph"
<drnjoseph@socal.rr.com> said in alt.atheism:
I wonder if Bush ever thinks about our young soldiers dieing in a
country thousands of miles from home while he is feasting on a steak dinner.
I doubt it. They're not his kind of people, they're soldiers.
On one of the news programs they were showing how men who have families,
jobs and businesses who were in the reserve are called back to serve in
Iraq. Mothers with young children must find jobs to sustain themselves, how
obscene can you get?
Count my wife's niece among them. Her husband's in Afghanistan. She
works 3 14 hour shifts every weekend to make up for his lost salary
and the kids, 5 and 2, are going to grow up not knowing Daddy for a
few years.
I'm sure Shrub must have given that at least 1 nanosecond's worry.
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"I received your letter of June 10th. I have never talked to a Jesuit
priest in my life and I am astonished by the audacity to tell such lies
about me. From the viewpoint of a Jesuit priest I am, of course, and
have always been an atheist."
- Albert Einstein to Guy H. Raner Jr, July 2, 1945,
responding to a rumor that a Jesuit priest had caused Einstein
to convert from atheism. Article by Michael R. Gilmore in Skeptic
magazine, Vol. 5, No. 2, 1997
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| User: "Komin" |
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| Title: Re: Iraq is the second Viet Nam |
13 Feb 2005 02:28:56 AM |
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Iraq may another Korea or Germany , 50 years is quite possible,
the American want to stay there to guard the oil , the Iraqi Oil which
the Isreali wants.
Israel is paying expensive oil from Russia .
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| User: "duke" |
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| Title: Re: Iraq is the second Viet Nam |
13 Feb 2005 07:13:50 AM |
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On Sun, 13 Feb 2005 02:30:27 GMT, "Dr. Newto Joseph" <drnjoseph@socal.rr.com>
wrote:
Iraq is the second Viet Nam
Nope, absolutely no evidence of that. No jungle, no lack of desire to win
absolutely, victor on the doorstep, the people taking control, etc.
duke
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Matthew 22
14"For many are invited, but few are chosen."
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