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18 Jun 2007 06:57:42 PM |
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Iraq now ranked second among world's failed states |
Mission accomplished.
Only Sudan is worse
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Iraq now ranked second among world's failed states
By David MorganMon Jun 18, 10:10 AM ET
Iraq has emerged as the world's second most unstable country, behind
Sudan, more than four years after President George W. Bush ordered the
U.S. invasion to topple Saddam Hussein, according to a survey released
on Monday.
The 2007 Failed States Index, produced by Foreign Policy magazine and
the Fund for Peace, said Iraq suffered a third straight year of
deterioration in 2006 with diminished results across a range of social,
economic, political and military indicators. Iraq ranked fourth last
year.
Afghanistan, another war-torn country where U.S. and NATO forces are
battling a Taliban insurgency nearly six years after a U.S.-led
invasion, was in eighth place.
"Iraq and Afghanistan, the two main fronts in the global war on terror,
both suffered over the past year," a report that accompanied the figures
said.
"Their experiences show that billions of dollars in development and
security aid may be futile unless accompanied by a functioning
government, trustworthy leaders, and realistic plans to keep the peace
and develop the economy."
The index said Sudan, the world's worst failed state, appears to be
dragging down its neighbors Central African Republic and Chad, with
violence in the Darfur region responsible for at least 200,000 deaths
and the displacement of 2 million to 3 million.
The authors of the index said one of the leading benchmarks for failed
state status is the loss of physical control of territory or a monopoly
on the legitimate use of force.
Other attributes include the erosion of legitimate authority, an
inability to provide reasonable public services and the inability to
interact with other states as a full member of the international
community.
Foreign Policy magazine is published by the Carnegie Endowment for
International Peace, a Washington-based think tank. The Fund for Peace
is an independent research group devoted to preventing and resolving
conflicts.
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http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20070618/ts_nm/iraq_usa_states_dc
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John #1782
"We should always be disposed to believe that which appears to us to be
white is really black, if the hierarchy of the church so decides."
- Saint Ignatius Loyola (1491-1556) Founder of the Jesuit Order.
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| User: "Nosterill" |
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19 Jun 2007 03:10:19 AM |
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On Jun 19, 12:57 am, johac <jhachm...@remove.sbcglobal.net> wrote:
Mission accomplished.
Only Sudan is worse
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Iraq now ranked second among world's failed states
I wonder where Iraq ranked before our beloved leaders so generously
decided to sort them out. Unfortunately, the index doesn't go back
that far.
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| User: "magilla" |
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19 Jun 2007 08:18:38 AM |
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On Jun 19, 4:10 am, Nosterill <fladg...@hotmail.com> wrote:
On Jun 19, 12:57 am, johac <jhachm...@remove.sbcglobal.net> wrote:
Mission accomplished.
Only Sudan is worse
---
Iraq now ranked second among world's failed states
I wonder where Iraq ranked before our beloved leaders so generously
decided to sort them out. Unfortunately, the index doesn't go back
that far.
Good point. You can make a guess though. Back then you had a secular
despot with death squads. Now you have several religious despots with
death squads, plus foreign troops shooting up the place with
everything from M4s to attack helicopters, artillery, and F16s; plus
foreign mercenaries who adhere to who knows what code of conduct; plus
fanatics strapping a few kilos of semtex to themselves and launching
themselves and a few dozen other people on a one-way trip to paradise.
Chris
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| User: "johac" |
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| Title: Re: Iraq now ranked second among world's failed states |
19 Jun 2007 05:23:02 PM |
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In article <1182259118.117901.33410@q69g2000hsb.googlegroups.com>,
magilla <chris.linthompson@gmail.com> wrote:
On Jun 19, 4:10 am, Nosterill <fladg...@hotmail.com> wrote:
On Jun 19, 12:57 am, johac <jhachm...@remove.sbcglobal.net> wrote:
Mission accomplished.
Only Sudan is worse
---
Iraq now ranked second among world's failed states
I wonder where Iraq ranked before our beloved leaders so generously
decided to sort them out. Unfortunately, the index doesn't go back
that far.
Good point. You can make a guess though. Back then you had a secular
despot with death squads. Now you have several religious despots with
death squads, plus foreign troops shooting up the place with
everything from M4s to attack helicopters, artillery, and F16s; plus
foreign mercenaries who adhere to who knows what code of conduct; plus
fanatics strapping a few kilos of semtex to themselves and launching
themselves and a few dozen other people on a one-way trip to paradise.
In a number of recent interviews, many Iraqis expressed the same
sentiment. "We hated Saddam, but we were better off then than now."
Chris
--
John #1782
"We should always be disposed to believe that which appears to us to be
white is really black, if the hierarchy of the church so decides."
- Saint Ignatius Loyola (1491-1556) Founder of the Jesuit Order.
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| User: "Fred Stone" |
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| Title: Re: Iraq now ranked second among world's failed states |
20 Jun 2007 05:49:36 AM |
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johac wrote:
In article <1182259118.117901.33410@q69g2000hsb.googlegroups.com>,
magilla <chris.linthompson@gmail.com> wrote:
On Jun 19, 4:10 am, Nosterill <fladg...@hotmail.com> wrote:
On Jun 19, 12:57 am, johac <jhachm...@remove.sbcglobal.net> wrote:
Mission accomplished.
Only Sudan is worse
---
Iraq now ranked second among world's failed states
I wonder where Iraq ranked before our beloved leaders so generously
decided to sort them out. Unfortunately, the index doesn't go back
that far.
Good point. You can make a guess though. Back then you had a secular
despot with death squads. Now you have several religious despots with
death squads, plus foreign troops shooting up the place with
everything from M4s to attack helicopters, artillery, and F16s; plus
foreign mercenaries who adhere to who knows what code of conduct; plus
fanatics strapping a few kilos of semtex to themselves and launching
themselves and a few dozen other people on a one-way trip to paradise.
In a number of recent interviews, many Iraqis expressed the same
sentiment. "We hated Saddam, but we were better off then than now."
Those were former Baathists.
--
Fred Stone
aa# 1369
"Five years ago, Middle Eastern extremists were killing Israelis and
Americans. Today they are killing each other. Why is it that some people
persist in claiming that Israel's and America's Middle East policy is a
failure?" -- Alan Chamberlain"
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| User: "Nosterill" |
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| Title: Re: Iraq now ranked second among world's failed states |
20 Jun 2007 05:53:18 AM |
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On Jun 20, 11:49 am, Fred Stone <N...@Biznez.net> wrote:
johac wrote:
In article <1182259118.117901.33...@q69g2000hsb.googlegroups.com>,
magilla <chris.linthomp...@gmail.com> wrote:
On Jun 19, 4:10 am, Nosterill <fladg...@hotmail.com> wrote:
On Jun 19, 12:57 am, johac <jhachm...@remove.sbcglobal.net> wrote:
Mission accomplished.
Only Sudan is worse
---
Iraq now ranked second among world's failed states
I wonder where Iraq ranked before our beloved leaders so generously
decided to sort them out. Unfortunately, the index doesn't go back
that far.
Good point. You can make a guess though. Back then you had a secular
despot with death squads. Now you have several religious despots with
death squads, plus foreign troops shooting up the place with
everything from M4s to attack helicopters, artillery, and F16s; plus
foreign mercenaries who adhere to who knows what code of conduct; plus
fanatics strapping a few kilos of semtex to themselves and launching
themselves and a few dozen other people on a one-way trip to paradise.
In a number of recent interviews, many Iraqis expressed the same
sentiment. "We hated Saddam, but we were better off then than now."
Those were former Baathists.
Which is why they hated Saddam...... Ok, fine...... whatever
--
Fred Stone
aa# 1369
"Five years ago, Middle Eastern extremists were killing Israelis and
Americans. Today they are killing each other. Why is it that some people
persist in claiming that Israel's and America's Middle East policy is a
failure?" -- Alan Chamberlain"- Hide quoted text -
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| User: "johac" |
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| Title: Re: Iraq now ranked second among world's failed states |
20 Jun 2007 05:52:08 PM |
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In article <1182336798.604338.115610@g4g2000hsf.googlegroups.com>,
Nosterill <fladgate@hotmail.com> wrote:
On Jun 20, 11:49 am, Fred Stone <N...@Biznez.net> wrote:
johac wrote:
In article <1182259118.117901.33...@q69g2000hsb.googlegroups.com>,
magilla <chris.linthomp...@gmail.com> wrote:
On Jun 19, 4:10 am, Nosterill <fladg...@hotmail.com> wrote:
On Jun 19, 12:57 am, johac <jhachm...@remove.sbcglobal.net> wrote:
Mission accomplished.
Only Sudan is worse
---
Iraq now ranked second among world's failed states
I wonder where Iraq ranked before our beloved leaders so generously
decided to sort them out. Unfortunately, the index doesn't go back
that far.
Good point. You can make a guess though. Back then you had a secular
despot with death squads. Now you have several religious despots with
death squads, plus foreign troops shooting up the place with
everything from M4s to attack helicopters, artillery, and F16s; plus
foreign mercenaries who adhere to who knows what code of conduct; plus
fanatics strapping a few kilos of semtex to themselves and launching
themselves and a few dozen other people on a one-way trip to paradise.
In a number of recent interviews, many Iraqis expressed the same
sentiment. "We hated Saddam, but we were better off then than now."
Those were former Baathists.
Which is why they hated Saddam...... Ok, fine...... whatever
It seemed to me that they were just regular off the street Iraqis.
--
John #1782
"We should always be disposed to believe that which appears to us to be
white is really black, if the hierarchy of the church so decides."
- Saint Ignatius Loyola (1491-1556) Founder of the Jesuit Order.
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| User: "Nosterill" |
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21 Jun 2007 02:18:53 AM |
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On Jun 20, 11:52 pm, johac <jhachm...@remove.sbcglobal.net> wrote:
In article <1182336798.604338.115...@g4g2000hsf.googlegroups.com>,
Nosterill <fladg...@hotmail.com> wrote:
On Jun 20, 11:49 am, Fred Stone <N...@Biznez.net> wrote:
johac wrote:
In article <1182259118.117901.33...@q69g2000hsb.googlegroups.com>,
magilla <chris.linthomp...@gmail.com> wrote:
On Jun 19, 4:10 am, Nosterill <fladg...@hotmail.com> wrote:
On Jun 19, 12:57 am, johac <jhachm...@remove.sbcglobal.net> wrote:
Mission accomplished.
Only Sudan is worse
---
Iraq now ranked second among world's failed states
I wonder where Iraq ranked before our beloved leaders so generously
decided to sort them out. Unfortunately, the index doesn't go back
that far.
Good point. You can make a guess though. Back then you had a secular
despot with death squads. Now you have several religious despots with
death squads, plus foreign troops shooting up the place with
everything from M4s to attack helicopters, artillery, and F16s; plus
foreign mercenaries who adhere to who knows what code of conduct; plus
fanatics strapping a few kilos of semtex to themselves and launching
themselves and a few dozen other people on a one-way trip to paradise.
In a number of recent interviews, many Iraqis expressed the same
sentiment. "We hated Saddam, but we were better off then than now."
Those were former Baathists.
Which is why they hated Saddam...... Ok, fine...... whatever
It seemed to me that they were just regular off the street Iraqis.
Oh no. Check with Fred. Apparently the regular Iraqis are thoroughly
enjoying life in the maelstrom and are so grateful to us for bringing
so much excitement into their boring lives. The whingers are, self
evidently, no true Scotsmen - sorry, no true Iraqis.
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| User: "johac" |
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| Title: Re: Iraq now ranked second among world's failed states |
21 Jun 2007 06:44:30 PM |
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In article <1182410333.517281.106740@g4g2000hsf.googlegroups.com>,
Nosterill <fladgate@hotmail.com> wrote:
On Jun 20, 11:52 pm, johac <jhachm...@remove.sbcglobal.net> wrote:
In article <1182336798.604338.115...@g4g2000hsf.googlegroups.com>,
Nosterill <fladg...@hotmail.com> wrote:
On Jun 20, 11:49 am, Fred Stone <N...@Biznez.net> wrote:
johac wrote:
In article <1182259118.117901.33...@q69g2000hsb.googlegroups.com>,
magilla <chris.linthomp...@gmail.com> wrote:
On Jun 19, 4:10 am, Nosterill <fladg...@hotmail.com> wrote:
On Jun 19, 12:57 am, johac <jhachm...@remove.sbcglobal.net> wrote:
Mission accomplished.
Only Sudan is worse
---
Iraq now ranked second among world's failed states
I wonder where Iraq ranked before our beloved leaders so
generously
decided to sort them out. Unfortunately, the index doesn't go back
that far.
Good point. You can make a guess though. Back then you had a secular
despot with death squads. Now you have several religious despots
with
death squads, plus foreign troops shooting up the place with
everything from M4s to attack helicopters, artillery, and F16s; plus
foreign mercenaries who adhere to who knows what code of conduct;
plus
fanatics strapping a few kilos of semtex to themselves and launching
themselves and a few dozen other people on a one-way trip to
paradise.
In a number of recent interviews, many Iraqis expressed the same
sentiment. "We hated Saddam, but we were better off then than now."
Those were former Baathists.
Which is why they hated Saddam...... Ok, fine...... whatever
It seemed to me that they were just regular off the street Iraqis.
Oh no. Check with Fred. Apparently the regular Iraqis are thoroughly
enjoying life in the maelstrom and are so grateful to us for bringing
so much excitement into their boring lives. The whingers are, self
evidently, no true Scotsmen - sorry, no true Iraqis.
Right. the real Iraqis are still giving the troops flowers and candy and
inviting Halliburton in to please take their oil.
--
John #1782
"We should always be disposed to believe that which appears to us to be
white is really black, if the hierarchy of the church so decides."
- Saint Ignatius Loyola (1491-1556) Founder of the Jesuit Order.
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| User: "Fred Stone" |
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21 Jun 2007 09:17:32 PM |
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johac wrote:
In article <1182410333.517281.106740@g4g2000hsf.googlegroups.com>,
Nosterill <fladgate@hotmail.com> wrote:
On Jun 20, 11:52 pm, johac <jhachm...@remove.sbcglobal.net> wrote:
In article <1182336798.604338.115...@g4g2000hsf.googlegroups.com>,
Nosterill <fladg...@hotmail.com> wrote:
On Jun 20, 11:49 am, Fred Stone <N...@Biznez.net> wrote:
johac wrote:
In article
<1182259118.117901.33...@q69g2000hsb.googlegroups.com>,
magilla <chris.linthomp...@gmail.com> wrote:
On Jun 19, 4:10 am, Nosterill <fladg...@hotmail.com> wrote:
On Jun 19, 12:57 am, johac <jhachm...@remove.sbcglobal.net>
wrote:
Mission accomplished.
Only Sudan is worse
---
Iraq now ranked second among world's failed states
I wonder where Iraq ranked before our beloved leaders so
generously
decided to sort them out. Unfortunately, the index doesn't go
back that far.
Good point. You can make a guess though. Back then you had a
secular despot with death squads. Now you have several religious
despots with
death squads, plus foreign troops shooting up the place with
everything from M4s to attack helicopters, artillery, and F16s;
plus foreign mercenaries who adhere to who knows what code of
conduct; plus
fanatics strapping a few kilos of semtex to themselves and
launching themselves and a few dozen other people on a one-way
trip to paradise.
In a number of recent interviews, many Iraqis expressed the same
sentiment. "We hated Saddam, but we were better off then than
now."
Those were former Baathists.
Which is why they hated Saddam...... Ok, fine...... whatever
It seemed to me that they were just regular off the street Iraqis.
Oh no. Check with Fred. Apparently the regular Iraqis are thoroughly
enjoying life in the maelstrom and are so grateful to us for bringing
so much excitement into their boring lives. The whingers are, self
evidently, no true Scotsmen - sorry, no true Iraqis.
Right. the real Iraqis are still giving the troops flowers and candy and
inviting Halliburton in to please take their oil.
They're giving the troops tips on where al Qaeda are hiding out and turning
in weapons caches.
--
Fred Stone
aa# 1369
"Five years ago, Middle Eastern extremists were killing Israelis and
Americans. Today they are killing each other. Why is it that some people
persist in claiming that Israel's and America's Middle East policy is a
failure?" -- Alan Chamberlain"
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| User: "Fred Stone" |
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21 Jun 2007 12:23:19 PM |
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Nosterill <fladgate@hotmail.com> wrote in
news:1182410333.517281.106740@g4g2000hsf.googlegroups.com:
On Jun 20, 11:52 pm, johac <jhachm...@remove.sbcglobal.net> wrote:
In article <1182336798.604338.115...@g4g2000hsf.googlegroups.com>,
Nosterill <fladg...@hotmail.com> wrote:
On Jun 20, 11:49 am, Fred Stone <N...@Biznez.net> wrote:
johac wrote:
In article
<1182259118.117901.33...@q69g2000hsb.googlegroups.com>,
magilla <chris.linthomp...@gmail.com> wrote:
On Jun 19, 4:10 am, Nosterill <fladg...@hotmail.com> wrote:
On Jun 19, 12:57 am, johac <jhachm...@remove.sbcglobal.net>
wrote:
Mission accomplished.
Only Sudan is worse
---
Iraq now ranked second among world's failed states
I wonder where Iraq ranked before our beloved leaders so
generously decided to sort them out. Unfortunately, the
index doesn't go back that far.
Good point. You can make a guess though. Back then you had a
secular despot with death squads. Now you have several
religious despots with death squads, plus foreign troops
shooting up the place with everything from M4s to attack
helicopters, artillery, and F16s; plus foreign mercenaries who
adhere to who knows what code of conduct; plus fanatics
strapping a few kilos of semtex to themselves and launching
themselves and a few dozen other people on a one-way trip to
paradise.
In a number of recent interviews, many Iraqis expressed the
same sentiment. "We hated Saddam, but we were better off then
than now."
Those were former Baathists.
Which is why they hated Saddam...... Ok, fine...... whatever
It seemed to me that they were just regular off the street Iraqis.
Oh no. Check with Fred. Apparently the regular Iraqis are thoroughly
enjoying life in the maelstrom and are so grateful to us for bringing
so much excitement into their boring lives. The whingers are, self
evidently, no true Scotsmen - sorry, no true Iraqis.
Yeah, you can tell that they're just randomly selected Iraqis by the way
that they answer American reporters questions in exactly the way that
meets those reporters' agenda.
--
Fred Stone
aa# 1369
"When they put out that deadline, people realized that we were going to
lose," said an aide to an anti-war lawmaker. "Everything after that
seemed like posturing."
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| User: "James Norris" |
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21 Jun 2007 02:19:33 AM |
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On Jun 21, 8:18?am, Nosterill <fladg...@hotmail.com> wrote:
On Jun 20, 11:52 pm, johac <jhachm...@remove.sbcglobal.net> wrote:
In article <1182336798.604338.115...@g4g2000hsf.googlegroups.com>,
Nosterill <fladg...@hotmail.com> wrote:
On Jun 20, 11:49 am, Fred Stone <N...@Biznez.net> wrote:
johac wrote:
In article <1182259118.117901.33...@q69g2000hsb.googlegroups.com>,
magilla <chris.linthomp...@gmail.com> wrote:
On Jun 19, 4:10 am, Nosterill <fladg...@hotmail.com> wrote:
On Jun 19, 12:57 am, johac <jhachm...@remove.sbcglobal.net> wrote:
Mission accomplished.
Only Sudan is worse
---
Iraq now ranked second among world's failed states
I wonder where Iraq ranked before our beloved leaders so generously
decided to sort them out. Unfortunately, the index doesn't go back
that far.
Good point. You can make a guess though. Back then you had a secular
despot with death squads. Now you have several religious despots with
death squads, plus foreign troops shooting up the place with
everything from M4s to attack helicopters, artillery, and F16s; plus
foreign mercenaries who adhere to who knows what code of conduct; plus
fanatics strapping a few kilos of semtex to themselves and launching
themselves and a few dozen other people on a one-way trip to paradise.
In a number of recent interviews, many Iraqis expressed the same
sentiment. "We hated Saddam, but we were better off then than now."
Those were former Baathists.
Which is why they hated Saddam...... Ok, fine...... whatever
It seemed to me that they were just regular off the street Iraqis.
Oh no. Check with Fred. Apparently the regular Iraqis are thoroughly
enjoying life in the maelstrom and are so grateful to us for bringing
so much excitement into their boring lives. The whingers are, self
evidently, no true Scotsmen - sorry, no true Iraqis.- Hide quoted text -
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I have to say that your insightful and well-written remarks about this
complex topic really impressed me. Your have restored my faith in
usenet newsgroups as a medium for meaningful discussions between
intelligent human beings. Well done!
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20 Jun 2007 03:28:49 PM |
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Nosterill <fladgate@hotmail.com> wrote in
news:1182336798.604338.115610@g4g2000hsf.googlegroups.com:
On Jun 20, 11:49 am, Fred Stone <N...@Biznez.net> wrote:
johac wrote:
In article <1182259118.117901.33...@q69g2000hsb.googlegroups.com>,
magilla <chris.linthomp...@gmail.com> wrote:
On Jun 19, 4:10 am, Nosterill <fladg...@hotmail.com> wrote:
On Jun 19, 12:57 am, johac <jhachm...@remove.sbcglobal.net>
wrote:
Mission accomplished.
Only Sudan is worse
---
Iraq now ranked second among world's failed states
I wonder where Iraq ranked before our beloved leaders so
generously decided to sort them out. Unfortunately, the index
doesn't go back that far.
Good point. You can make a guess though. Back then you had a
secular despot with death squads. Now you have several religious
despots with death squads, plus foreign troops shooting up the
place with everything from M4s to attack helicopters, artillery,
and F16s; plus foreign mercenaries who adhere to who knows what
code of conduct; plus fanatics strapping a few kilos of semtex to
themselves and launching themselves and a few dozen other people
on a one-way trip to paradise.
In a number of recent interviews, many Iraqis expressed the same
sentiment. "We hated Saddam, but we were better off then than now."
Those were former Baathists.
Which is why they hated Saddam...... Ok, fine...... whatever
You'll believe anything.
--
Fred Stone
aa# 1369
"When they put out that deadline, people realized that we were going to
lose," said an aide to an anti-war lawmaker. "Everything after that
seemed like posturing."
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20 Jun 2007 08:54:17 PM |
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On Jun 20, 4:28 pm, Fred Stone <fston...@earthling.com> wrote:
Nosterill <fladg...@hotmail.com> wrote innews:1182336798.604338.115610@g4g2000hsf.googlegroups.com:
On Jun 20, 11:49 am, Fred Stone <N...@Biznez.net> wrote:
johac wrote:
In article <1182259118.117901.33...@q69g2000hsb.googlegroups.com>,
magilla <chris.linthomp...@gmail.com> wrote:
On Jun 19, 4:10 am, Nosterill <fladg...@hotmail.com> wrote:
On Jun 19, 12:57 am, johac <jhachm...@remove.sbcglobal.net>
wrote:
Mission accomplished.
Only Sudan is worse
---
Iraq now ranked second among world's failed states
I wonder where Iraq ranked before our beloved leaders so
generously decided to sort them out. Unfortunately, the index
doesn't go back that far.
Good point. You can make a guess though. Back then you had a
secular despot with death squads. Now you have several religious
despots with death squads, plus foreign troops shooting up the
place with everything from M4s to attack helicopters, artillery,
and F16s; plus foreign mercenaries who adhere to who knows what
code of conduct; plus fanatics strapping a few kilos of semtex to
themselves and launching themselves and a few dozen other people
on a one-way trip to paradise.
In a number of recent interviews, many Iraqis expressed the same
sentiment. "We hated Saddam, but we were better off then than now."
Those were former Baathists.
Which is why they hated Saddam...... Ok, fine...... whatever
You'll believe anything.
I don't think he believed you when you claimed they were Baathists.
And I'm fairly sure that if George W. Bush said 2+2=4 (I know, the
chances are slim he'd get it right), he wouldn't believe that either.
So no, he won't believe anything.
Chris
--
Fred Stone
aa# 1369
"When they put out that deadline, people realized that we were going to
lose," said an aide to an anti-war lawmaker. "Everything after that
seemed like posturing."
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21 Jun 2007 02:20:34 AM |
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On Jun 20, 9:28 pm, Fred Stone <fston...@earthling.com> wrote:
Nosterill <fladg...@hotmail.com> wrote innews:1182336798.604338.115610@g4g2000hsf.googlegroups.com:
On Jun 20, 11:49 am, Fred Stone <N...@Biznez.net> wrote:
johac wrote:
In article <1182259118.117901.33...@q69g2000hsb.googlegroups.com>,
magilla <chris.linthomp...@gmail.com> wrote:
On Jun 19, 4:10 am, Nosterill <fladg...@hotmail.com> wrote:
On Jun 19, 12:57 am, johac <jhachm...@remove.sbcglobal.net>
wrote:
Mission accomplished.
Only Sudan is worse
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Iraq now ranked second among world's failed states
I wonder where Iraq ranked before our beloved leaders so
generously decided to sort them out. Unfortunately, the index
doesn't go back that far.
Good point. You can make a guess though. Back then you had a
secular despot with death squads. Now you have several religious
despots with death squads, plus foreign troops shooting up the
place with everything from M4s to attack helicopters, artillery,
and F16s; plus foreign mercenaries who adhere to who knows what
code of conduct; plus fanatics strapping a few kilos of semtex to
themselves and launching themselves and a few dozen other people
on a one-way trip to paradise.
In a number of recent interviews, many Iraqis expressed the same
sentiment. "We hated Saddam, but we were better off then than now."
Those were former Baathists.
Which is why they hated Saddam...... Ok, fine...... whatever
You'll believe anything.
Well no. I didn't believe that at all. You didn't notice the merest
hintette of sarcasm in my post?
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| User: "James Norris" |
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21 Jun 2007 02:22:24 AM |
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On Jun 21, 8:20?am, Nosterill <fladg...@hotmail.com> wrote:
On Jun 20, 9:28 pm, Fred Stone <fston...@earthling.com> wrote:
Nosterill <fladg...@hotmail.com> wrote innews:1182336798.604338.115610@g4g2000hsf.googlegroups.com:
On Jun 20, 11:49 am, Fred Stone <N...@Biznez.net> wrote:
johac wrote:
In article <1182259118.117901.33...@q69g2000hsb.googlegroups.com>,
magilla <chris.linthomp...@gmail.com> wrote:
On Jun 19, 4:10 am, Nosterill <fladg...@hotmail.com> wrote:
On Jun 19, 12:57 am, johac <jhachm...@remove.sbcglobal.net>
wrote:
Mission accomplished.
Only Sudan is worse
---
Iraq now ranked second among world's failed states
I wonder where Iraq ranked before our beloved leaders so
generously decided to sort them out. Unfortunately, the index
doesn't go back that far.
Good point. You can make a guess though. Back then you had a
secular despot with death squads. Now you have several religious
despots with death squads, plus foreign troops shooting up the
place with everything from M4s to attack helicopters, artillery,
and F16s; plus foreign mercenaries who adhere to who knows what
code of conduct; plus fanatics strapping a few kilos of semtex to
themselves and launching themselves and a few dozen other people
on a one-way trip to paradise.
In a number of recent interviews, many Iraqis expressed the same
sentiment. "We hated Saddam, but we were better off then than now."
Those were former Baathists.
Which is why they hated Saddam...... Ok, fine...... whatever
You'll believe anything.
Well no. I didn't believe that at all. You didn't notice the merest
hintette of sarcasm in my post?- Hide quoted text -
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I have to say that your insightful and well-written remarks about this
complex topic really impressed me. Your have restored my faith in
usenet newsgroups as a medium for meaningful discussions between
intelligent human beings. Well done!
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| User: "Fred Stone" |
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18 Jun 2007 07:18:10 PM |
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johac <jhachmann@remove.sbcglobal.net> wrote in
news:jhachmann-4F9DE5.16574218062007@news.giganews.com:
Mission accomplished.
Only Sudan is worse
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Iraq now ranked second among world's failed states
"Iraq and Afghanistan, the two main fronts in the global war on
terror, both suffered over the past year," a report that accompanied
the figures said.
What an amazing conclusion!
In other news, the sky is up.
--
Fred Stone
aa# 1369
"When they put out that deadline, people realized that we were going to
lose," said an aide to an anti-war lawmaker. "Everything after that
seemed like posturing."
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| User: "Geoff" |
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18 Jun 2007 07:48:46 PM |
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Fred Stone wrote:
"Iraq and Afghanistan, the two main fronts in the global war on
terror, both suffered over the past year," a report that accompanied
the figures said.
What an amazing conclusion!
In other news, the sky is up.
Yeah...can you believe it? And just how fucked up would it be if they hadn't
greeted us with flowers and ticker-tape parades?
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| User: "Fred Stone" |
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18 Jun 2007 10:20:50 PM |
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Geoff wrote:
Fred Stone wrote:
"Iraq and Afghanistan, the two main fronts in the global war on
terror, both suffered over the past year," a report that accompanied
the figures said.
What an amazing conclusion!
In other news, the sky is up.
Yeah...can you believe it? And just how fucked up would it be if they
hadn't greeted us with flowers and ticker-tape parades?
So just how stupid do you have to be before you can't understand that a *WAR
ZONE* is going to be a fucked up place?
--
Fred Stone
aa# 1369
"Five years ago, Middle Eastern extremists were killing Israelis and
Americans. Today they are killing each other. Why is it that some people
persist in claiming that Israel's and America's Middle East policy is a
failure?" -- Alan Chamberlain"
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| User: "Geoff" |
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19 Jun 2007 03:15:05 AM |
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Fred Stone wrote:
Geoff wrote:
Fred Stone wrote:
"Iraq and Afghanistan, the two main fronts in the global war on
terror, both suffered over the past year," a report that
accompanied the figures said.
What an amazing conclusion!
In other news, the sky is up.
Yeah...can you believe it? And just how fucked up would it be if they
hadn't greeted us with flowers and ticker-tape parades?
So just how stupid do you have to be before you can't understand that
a *WAR ZONE* is going to be a fucked up place?
Or just how stupid do you have to be to believe that you are going to invade
a country that is nearly evenly split in three ways by three distinct
peoples that hate the ***** out of eachother and it's going to be a
cakewalk and a democratic bastion in the Middle East.
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| User: "Fred Stone" |
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19 Jun 2007 12:41:40 PM |
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"Geoff" <gebobs@yahoo.nospam.com> wrote in
news:-KydnVBFaY0NDerbnZ2dnUVZ_qmpnZ2d@giganews.com:
Fred Stone wrote:
Geoff wrote:
Fred Stone wrote:
"Iraq and Afghanistan, the two main fronts in the global war on
terror, both suffered over the past year," a report that
accompanied the figures said.
What an amazing conclusion!
In other news, the sky is up.
Yeah...can you believe it? And just how fucked up would it be if
they hadn't greeted us with flowers and ticker-tape parades?
So just how stupid do you have to be before you can't understand that
a *WAR ZONE* is going to be a fucked up place?
Or just how stupid do you have to be to believe that you are going to
invade a country that is nearly evenly split in three ways by three
distinct peoples that hate the ***** out of eachother and it's
going to be a cakewalk and a democratic bastion in the Middle East.
Or when are you going to learn the first thing about the reality of
Iraq?
--
Fred Stone
aa# 1369
"When they put out that deadline, people realized that we were going to
lose," said an aide to an anti-war lawmaker. "Everything after that
seemed like posturing."
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| User: "G-Ride" |
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| Title: Re: Iraq now ranked second among world's failed states |
19 Jun 2007 03:40:04 PM |
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"Fred Stone" <fstone69@earthling.com> wrote in message
news:Xns99548A9C34C19freddybear@216.151.153.41...
"Geoff" <gebobs@yahoo.nospam.com> wrote in
news:-KydnVBFaY0NDerbnZ2dnUVZ_qmpnZ2d@giganews.com:
Fred Stone wrote:
Geoff wrote:
Fred Stone wrote:
"Iraq and Afghanistan, the two main fronts in the global war on
terror, both suffered over the past year," a report that
accompanied the figures said.
What an amazing conclusion!
In other news, the sky is up.
Yeah...can you believe it? And just how fucked up would it be if
they hadn't greeted us with flowers and ticker-tape parades?
So just how stupid do you have to be before you can't understand that
a *WAR ZONE* is going to be a fucked up place?
Or just how stupid do you have to be to believe that you are going to
invade a country that is nearly evenly split in three ways by three
distinct peoples that hate the ***** out of eachother and it's
going to be a cakewalk and a democratic bastion in the Middle East.
Or when are you going to learn the first thing about the reality of
Iraq?
Be sure to let us know when you admit to the reality of Iraq, Fredo. Of
course, you'll have to unhook the kool-aid iv drip first.
--
Aloha, G-Ride
The force that's forcing you to feel like busting up a Starbucks.
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| User: "Uncle Vic" |
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| Title: Re: Iraq now ranked second among world's failed states |
18 Jun 2007 10:45:13 PM |
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One fine day in alt.atheism, Fred Stone <Nunya@Biznez.net> bloodied us
up with this:
Geoff wrote:
Fred Stone wrote:
"Iraq and Afghanistan, the two main fronts in the global war on
terror, both suffered over the past year," a report that
accompanied the figures said.
What an amazing conclusion!
In other news, the sky is up.
Yeah...can you believe it? And just how fucked up would it be if they
hadn't greeted us with flowers and ticker-tape parades?
So just how stupid do you have to be before you can't understand that
a *WAR ZONE* is going to be a fucked up place?
But Fred, Bush told us we would be thanked and honored by placing
democratic governments in Afghanistan and Iraq.
--
Uncle Vic
aa Atheist #2011
Supervisor, EAC Department of little adhesive-backed "L" shaped
chrome-plastic doo-dads to add feet to Jesus fish department.
Convicted by Earthquack.
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| User: "Mark K. Bilbo" |
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| Title: Re: Iraq now ranked second among world's failed states |
19 Jun 2007 09:37:22 AM |
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On Mon, 18 Jun 2007 22:45:13 -0500, Uncle Vic wrote:
One fine day in alt.atheism, Fred Stone <Nunya@Biznez.net> bloodied us
up with this:
Geoff wrote:
Fred Stone wrote:
"Iraq and Afghanistan, the two main fronts in the global war on
terror, both suffered over the past year," a report that accompanied
the figures said.
What an amazing conclusion!
In other news, the sky is up.
Yeah...can you believe it? And just how fucked up would it be if they
hadn't greeted us with flowers and ticker-tape parades?
So just how stupid do you have to be before you can't understand that a
*WAR ZONE* is going to be a fucked up place?
But Fred, Bush told us we would be thanked and honored by placing
democratic governments in Afghanistan and Iraq.
Maybe those IEDs are welcoming fireworks?
--
Mark K. Bilbo a.a. #1423
EAC Department of Linguistic Subversion
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"What the hell is an aluminum Falcon?"
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| User: "Fred Stone" |
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| Title: Re: Iraq now ranked second among world's failed states |
18 Jun 2007 11:01:50 PM |
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Uncle Vic wrote:
One fine day in alt.atheism, Fred Stone <Nunya@Biznez.net> bloodied us
up with this:
Geoff wrote:
Fred Stone wrote:
"Iraq and Afghanistan, the two main fronts in the global war on
terror, both suffered over the past year," a report that
accompanied the figures said.
What an amazing conclusion!
In other news, the sky is up.
Yeah...can you believe it? And just how fucked up would it be if they
hadn't greeted us with flowers and ticker-tape parades?
So just how stupid do you have to be before you can't understand that
a *WAR ZONE* is going to be a fucked up place?
But Fred, Bush told us we would be thanked and honored by placing
democratic governments in Afghanistan and Iraq.
Which part of "the war isn't over" escapes your understanding?
--
Fred Stone
aa# 1369
"Five years ago, Middle Eastern extremists were killing Israelis and
Americans. Today they are killing each other. Why is it that some people
persist in claiming that Israel's and America's Middle East policy is a
failure?" -- Alan Chamberlain"
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| User: "magilla" |
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| Title: Re: Iraq now ranked second among world's failed states |
18 Jun 2007 11:13:21 PM |
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On Jun 19, 12:01 am, Fred Stone <N...@Biznez.net> wrote:
Uncle Vic wrote:
One fine day in alt.atheism, Fred Stone <N...@Biznez.net> bloodied us
up with this:
Geoff wrote:
Fred Stone wrote:
"Iraq and Afghanistan, the two main fronts in the global war on
terror, both suffered over the past year," a report that
accompanied the figures said.
What an amazing conclusion!
In other news, the sky is up.
Yeah...can you believe it? And just how fucked up would it be if they
hadn't greeted us with flowers and ticker-tape parades?
So just how stupid do you have to be before you can't understand that
a *WAR ZONE* is going to be a fucked up place?
But Fred, Bush told us we would be thanked and honored by placing
democratic governments in Afghanistan and Iraq.
Which part of "the war isn't over" escapes your understanding?
--
Fred Stone
aa# 1369
"Five years ago, Middle Eastern extremists were killing Israelis and
Americans. Today they are killing each other. Why is it that some people
persist in claiming that Israel's and America's Middle East policy is a
failure?" -- Alan Chamberlain"
Fred, Fred, Fred. If it wasn't for all the dead people, you'd be
funny.
Chris
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| User: "Fred Stone" |
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| Title: Re: Iraq now ranked second among world's failed states |
19 Jun 2007 12:40:45 PM |
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magilla <chris.linthompson@gmail.com> wrote in
news:1182226401.633904.96840@w5g2000hsg.googlegroups.com:
On Jun 19, 12:01 am, Fred Stone <N...@Biznez.net> wrote:
Uncle Vic wrote:
One fine day in alt.atheism, Fred Stone <N...@Biznez.net> bloodied
us up with this:
Geoff wrote:
Fred Stone wrote:
"Iraq and Afghanistan, the two main fronts in the global war on
terror, both suffered over the past year," a report that
accompanied the figures said.
What an amazing conclusion!
In other news, the sky is up.
Yeah...can you believe it? And just how fucked up would it be if
they hadn't greeted us with flowers and ticker-tape parades?
So just how stupid do you have to be before you can't understand
that a *WAR ZONE* is going to be a fucked up place?
But Fred, Bush told us we would be thanked and honored by placing
democratic governments in Afghanistan and Iraq.
Which part of "the war isn't over" escapes your understanding?
Fred, Fred, Fred. If it wasn't for all the dead people, you'd be
funny.
Chris, Chris, Chris, if you were any dumber you'd qualify for Senate
Majority Leader.
--
Fred Stone
aa# 1369
"When they put out that deadline, people realized that we were going to
lose," said an aide to an anti-war lawmaker. "Everything after that
seemed like posturing."
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| User: "magilla" |
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19 Jun 2007 07:52:19 PM |
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On Jun 19, 1:40 pm, Fred Stone <fston...@earthling.com> wrote:
magilla <chris.linthomp...@gmail.com> wrote innews:1182226401.633904.96840@w5g2000hsg.googlegroups.com:
On Jun 19, 12:01 am, Fred Stone <N...@Biznez.net> wrote:
Uncle Vic wrote:
One fine day in alt.atheism, Fred Stone <N...@Biznez.net> bloodied
us up with this:
Geoff wrote:
Fred Stone wrote:
"Iraq and Afghanistan, the two main fronts in the global war on
terror, both suffered over the past year," a report that
accompanied the figures said.
What an amazing conclusion!
In other news, the sky is up.
Yeah...can you believe it? And just how fucked up would it be if
they hadn't greeted us with flowers and ticker-tape parades?
So just how stupid do you have to be before you can't understand
that a *WAR ZONE* is going to be a fucked up place?
But Fred, Bush told us we would be thanked and honored by placing
democratic governments in Afghanistan and Iraq.
Which part of "the war isn't over" escapes your understanding?
Fred, Fred, Fred. If it wasn't for all the dead people, you'd be
funny.
Chris, Chris, Chris, if you were any dumber you'd qualify for Senate
Majority Leader.
Maybe so, Fred, maybe so. But it seems you have to be brain-dead to
qualify for a GOP presidential nominee.
Chris
--
Fred Stone
aa# 1369
"When they put out that deadline, people realized that we were going to
lose," said an aide to an anti-war lawmaker. "Everything after that
seemed like posturing."
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| User: "Fred Stone" |
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| Title: Re: Iraq now ranked second among world's failed states |
19 Jun 2007 09:06:30 PM |
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magilla <chris.linthompson@gmail.com> wrote in
news:1182300739.177335.199440@c77g2000hse.googlegroups.com:
On Jun 19, 1:40 pm, Fred Stone <fston...@earthling.com> wrote:
magilla <chris.linthomp...@gmail.com> wrote
innews:1182226401.633904.96840@w5g2000hsg.googlegroups.com:
On Jun 19, 12:01 am, Fred Stone <N...@Biznez.net> wrote:
Uncle Vic wrote:
One fine day in alt.atheism, Fred Stone <N...@Biznez.net>
bloodied us up with this:
Geoff wrote:
Fred Stone wrote:
"Iraq and Afghanistan, the two main fronts in the global war
on terror, both suffered over the past year," a report that
accompanied the figures said.
What an amazing conclusion!
In other news, the sky is up.
Yeah...can you believe it? And just how fucked up would it be
if they hadn't greeted us with flowers and ticker-tape
parades?
So just how stupid do you have to be before you can't
understand that a *WAR ZONE* is going to be a fucked up place?
But Fred, Bush told us we would be thanked and honored by
placing democratic governments in Afghanistan and Iraq.
Which part of "the war isn't over" escapes your understanding?
Fred, Fred, Fred. If it wasn't for all the dead people, you'd be
funny.
Chris, Chris, Chris, if you were any dumber you'd qualify for Senate
Majority Leader.
Maybe so, Fred, maybe so. But it seems you have to be brain-dead to
qualify for a GOP presidential nominee.
Hell, anybody who *wants* to put up with the stuff that we put
politicians through has to be batshit crazy.
--
Fred Stone
aa# 1369
"When they put out that deadline, people realized that we were going to
lose," said an aide to an anti-war lawmaker. "Everything after that
seemed like posturing."
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| User: "Uncle Vic" |
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18 Jun 2007 11:01:25 PM |
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One fine day in alt.atheism, Fred Stone <Nunya@Biznez.net> bloodied us
up with this:
Uncle Vic wrote:
One fine day in alt.atheism, Fred Stone <Nunya@Biznez.net> bloodied
us up with this:
Geoff wrote:
Fred Stone wrote:
"Iraq and Afghanistan, the two main fronts in the global war on
terror, both suffered over the past year," a report that
accompanied the figures said.
What an amazing conclusion!
In other news, the sky is up.
Yeah...can you believe it? And just how fucked up would it be if
they hadn't greeted us with flowers and ticker-tape parades?
So just how stupid do you have to be before you can't understand
that a *WAR ZONE* is going to be a fucked up place?
But Fred, Bush told us we would be thanked and honored by placing
democratic governments in Afghanistan and Iraq.
Which part of "the war isn't over" escapes your understanding?
Neither is the Bush Regime.
--
Uncle Vic
aa Atheist #2011
Supervisor, EAC Department of little adhesive-backed "L" shaped
chrome-plastic doo-dads to add feet to Jesus fish department.
Convicted by Earthquack.
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| User: "Fred Stone" |
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| Title: Re: Iraq now ranked second among world's failed states |
19 Jun 2007 12:39:09 PM |
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Uncle Vic <address@withheld.com> wrote in news:Xns9953D5F4AAB95vicman@
216.196.97.142:
One fine day in alt.atheism, Fred Stone <Nunya@Biznez.net> bloodied us
up with this:
Uncle Vic wrote:
One fine day in alt.atheism, Fred Stone <Nunya@Biznez.net> bloodied
us up with this:
Geoff wrote:
Fred Stone wrote:
"Iraq and Afghanistan, the two main fronts in the global war on
terror, both suffered over the past year," a report that
accompanied the figures said.
What an amazing conclusion!
In other news, the sky is up.
Yeah...can you believe it? And just how fucked up would it be if
they hadn't greeted us with flowers and ticker-tape parades?
So just how stupid do you have to be before you can't understand
that a *WAR ZONE* is going to be a fucked up place?
But Fred, Bush told us we would be thanked and honored by placing
democratic governments in Afghanistan and Iraq.
Which part of "the war isn't over" escapes your understanding?
Neither is the Bush Regime.
So you're still not getting it, are you?
--
Fred Stone
aa# 1369
"When they put out that deadline, people realized that we were going to
lose," said an aide to an anti-war lawmaker. "Everything after that
seemed like posturing."
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