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Topic:	Religions > Atheism
User:	"Zeno"
Date:	31 Jan 2007 12:11:54 AM
Object:	Iraq Wake-Up call

For many of us the sectarian (that is, religious) warring going on in
Iraq is surprisingly barbaric. The violence is a potent wake-up call
to the true nature of the religion practiced by these people - Islam.
The violence is so extreme that it is hard to distinguish between
peaceful muslims and Islamo-fascist radicals.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Islamofascism
The only common element between the sects seems to be the Quran. Can
all the blame be placed there ?
.

User: "Jan"
Title: Re: Iraq Wake-Up call	31 Jan 2007 02:59:11 PM

"Zeno" <Zeno@home.kom> skrev i melding
news:enc0s25h3pbpntekcknd5sjmslj95n544c@4ax.com...

For many of us the sectarian (that is, religious) warring going on in
Iraq is surprisingly barbaric. The violence is a potent wake-up call
to the true nature of the religion practiced by these people - Islam.
The violence is so extreme that it is hard to distinguish between
peaceful muslims and Islamo-fascist radicals.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Islamofascism

The only common element between the sects seems to be the Quran. Can
all the blame be placed there ?

Where will you place the blame for the violence in Northern Ireland? On the
Bible?
.

User: "Lucifer"
Title: Re: Iraq Wake-Up call	31 Jan 2007 05:39:02 PM

On Jan 31, 8:59 pm, "Jan" <o...@online.no> wrote:

"Zeno" <Z...@home.kom> skrev i meldingnews:enc0s25h3pbpntekcknd5sjmslj95n544c@4ax.com...> For many of us the sectarian (that is, religious) warring going on in

Iraq is surprisingly barbaric. The violence is a potent wake-up call
to the true nature of the religion practiced by these people - Islam.
The violence is so extreme that it is hard to distinguish between
peaceful muslims and Islamo-fascist radicals.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Islamofascism

The only common element between the sects seems to be the Quran. Can
all the blame be placed there ?

Where will you place the blame for the violence in Northern Ireland? On the
Bible?

Well it certainly didn't help...It's so shitly written both sides can
claim it supports them
--
Lucifer the Unsubtle, EAC Librarian of Dark Tomes of Excessive Evil
and General Purpose Igor
The Anti-Theist, BAAWA Lowly Evilmeister and tamer of the Demon Duck
of Doom
Convicted by Earthquack
"Don't worry, I won't bite.......hard"
.

User: "Zeno"
Title: Re: Iraq Wake-Up call	01 Feb 2007 01:45:33 AM

On Wed, 31 Jan 2007 21:59:11 +0100, "Jan" <overa@online.no> wrote:

"Zeno" <Zeno@home.kom> skrev i melding
news:enc0s25h3pbpntekcknd5sjmslj95n544c@4ax.com...

For many of us the sectarian (that is, religious) warring going on in
Iraq is surprisingly barbaric. The violence is a potent wake-up call
to the true nature of the religion practiced by these people - Islam.
The violence is so extreme that it is hard to distinguish between
peaceful muslims and Islamo-fascist radicals.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Islamofascism

The only common element between the sects seems to be the Quran. Can
all the blame be placed there ?

Where will you place the blame for the violence in Northern Ireland? On the
Bible?

In what ways is Northern Ireland similar and dissimilar to the Iraqi
situation? That is, make a point.
.

User: "Jan"
Title: Re: Iraq Wake-Up call	01 Feb 2007 02:19:22 PM

"Zeno" <Zeno@home.kom> skrev i melding
news:lg63s21aqbug9pp2jq74o0plusv8fnsee2@4ax.com...

On Wed, 31 Jan 2007 21:59:11 +0100, "Jan" <overa@online.no> wrote:

"Zeno" <Zeno@home.kom> skrev i melding
news:enc0s25h3pbpntekcknd5sjmslj95n544c@4ax.com...

For many of us the sectarian (that is, religious) warring going on in
Iraq is surprisingly barbaric. The violence is a potent wake-up call
to the true nature of the religion practiced by these people - Islam.
The violence is so extreme that it is hard to distinguish between
peaceful muslims and Islamo-fascist radicals.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Islamofascism

The only common element between the sects seems to be the Quran. Can
all the blame be placed there ?

Where will you place the blame for the violence in Northern Ireland? On
the
Bible?

In what ways is Northern Ireland similar and dissimilar to the Iraqi
situation? That is, make a point.

Catholics killing protestants and protestants killing catholics. In other
words secterian violence. IRA on on side, loyalists on the other side. I
assumed you have heard of this, so my question was:
Since you assume that secterian violence in Iraq can be blamed on the Quran,
do you also assume that the secterian violence in Nortern Ireland can be
blamed on the Bible?
.

User: "Zeno"
Title: Re: Iraq Wake-Up call	01 Feb 2007 04:11:45 PM

On Thu, 1 Feb 2007 21:19:22 +0100, "Jan" <overa@online.no> wrote:

"Zeno" <Zeno@home.kom> skrev i melding
news:lg63s21aqbug9pp2jq74o0plusv8fnsee2@4ax.com...

On Wed, 31 Jan 2007 21:59:11 +0100, "Jan" <overa@online.no> wrote:

"Zeno" <Zeno@home.kom> skrev i melding
news:enc0s25h3pbpntekcknd5sjmslj95n544c@4ax.com...

For many of us the sectarian (that is, religious) warring going on in
Iraq is surprisingly barbaric. The violence is a potent wake-up call
to the true nature of the religion practiced by these people - Islam.
The violence is so extreme that it is hard to distinguish between
peaceful muslims and Islamo-fascist radicals.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Islamofascism

The only common element between the sects seems to be the Quran. Can
all the blame be placed there ?

Where will you place the blame for the violence in Northern Ireland? On
the
Bible?

In what ways is Northern Ireland similar and dissimilar to the Iraqi
situation? That is, make a point.

There is no innate dishonesty in the question. The Quran, acting as a
common theme, is the first thing that comes to mind. What are the
alternatives?

do you also assume that the secterian violence in Nortern Ireland can be
blamed on the Bible?

You have assumed correctly. I do not know the details of the Northern
Ireland dynamic. I see from here that it is a case of sectarian
violence.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Troubles
The naive questions would be: what propelled the violence, and, what
caused the violence to end?
.

User: "Ray Fischer"
Title: Re: Iraq Wake-Up call	02 Feb 2007 12:42:23 PM

Zeno <Zeno@home.kom> wrote:

"Jan" <overa@online.no> wrote:

There is no innate dishonesty in the question. The Quran, acting as a
common theme, is the first thing that comes to mind. What are the
alternatives?

Well, let's see ...

do you also assume that the secterian violence in Nortern Ireland can be
blamed on the Bible?

You have assumed correctly. I do not know the details of the Northern
Ireland dynamic. I see from here that it is a case of sectarian
violence.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Troubles

The naive questions would be: what propelled the violence, and, what
caused the violence to end?

As you wrote just above the Bible, "acting as a common theme, is the
first thing that comes to mind. What are the alternatives?"
And then let's remember the KKK who uses the Bible to promote their
hate, and people like Jim Jones and David Koresh who use the Bible for
their own ends.
And even people like you who use religion to justify hate.
--
Ray Fischer
rfischer@sonic.net
.

User: "Fred Stone"
Title: Re: Iraq Wake-Up call	02 Feb 2007 04:51:00 PM

(Ray Fischer) wrote in
news:45c3860f$0$80043$742ec2ed@news.sonic.net:

Zeno <Zeno@home.kom> wrote:

"Jan" <overa@online.no> wrote:

Catholics killing protestants and protestants killing catholics. In
other words secterian violence. IRA on on side, loyalists on the
other side. I assumed you have heard of this, so my question was:
Since you assume that secterian violence in Iraq can be blamed on the
Quran,

There is no innate dishonesty in the question. The Quran, acting as a
common theme, is the first thing that comes to mind. What are the
alternatives?

Well, let's see ...

do you also assume that the secterian violence in Nortern Ireland can
be blamed on the Bible?

You have assumed correctly. I do not know the details of the Northern
Ireland dynamic. I see from here that it is a case of sectarian
violence.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Troubles

The naive questions would be: what propelled the violence, and, what
caused the violence to end?

As you wrote just above the Bible, "acting as a common theme, is the
first thing that comes to mind. What are the alternatives?"

And then let's remember the KKK who uses the Bible to promote their
hate, and people like Jim Jones and David Koresh who use the Bible for
their own ends.

And then lets remember that those are tiny fringe elements compared to
the huge degree of "mainstream" support that violent jihadis get from
Muslims.

And even people like you who use religion to justify hate.

--
Fred Stone
aa# 1369
"Cherry-picking: Given a preponderance of intelligence suggesting that a
hostile and unstable dictator has weapons of mass destruction and a few
scattered reports suggesting otherwise, deciding not to give the madman
the benefit of the doubt." - Washington Post
.

User: "Ray Fischer"
Title: Re: Iraq Wake-Up call	03 Feb 2007 02:03:39 AM

Fred Stone <fstone69@earthling.com> wrote:

rfischer@sonic.net (Ray Fischer) wrote in
news:45c3860f$0$80043$742ec2ed@news.sonic.net:

Zeno <Zeno@home.kom> wrote:

"Jan" <overa@online.no> wrote:

Catholics killing protestants and protestants killing catholics. In
other words secterian violence. IRA on on side, loyalists on the
other side. I assumed you have heard of this, so my question was:
Since you assume that secterian violence in Iraq can be blamed on the
Quran,

There is no innate dishonesty in the question. The Quran, acting as a
common theme, is the first thing that comes to mind. What are the
alternatives?

Well, let's see ...

do you also assume that the secterian violence in Nortern Ireland can
be blamed on the Bible?

You have assumed correctly. I do not know the details of the Northern
Ireland dynamic. I see from here that it is a case of sectarian
violence.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Troubles

The naive questions would be: what propelled the violence, and, what
caused the violence to end?

As you wrote just above the Bible, "acting as a common theme, is the
first thing that comes to mind. What are the alternatives?"

And then let's remember the KKK who uses the Bible to promote their
hate, and people like Jim Jones and David Koresh who use the Bible for
their own ends.

And then lets remember that those are tiny fringe elements compared to
the huge degree of "mainstream" support that violent jihadis get from
Muslims.

And so get we from another fringe bigot more of the hatred that causes
war and terrorism and murder. He probably has never met more than one
or to Muslims in his whole life but feels free to condemn a billion
people for the actions of a tiny minority.
Hitler would be proud.
--
Ray Fischer
rfischer@sonic.net
.

User: "Fred Stone"
Title: Re: Iraq Wake-Up call	03 Feb 2007 07:59:14 AM

(Ray Fischer) wrote in
news:45c441db$0$80056$742ec2ed@news.sonic.net:

Fred Stone <fstone69@earthling.com> wrote:

(Ray Fischer) wrote in
news:45c3860f$0$80043$742ec2ed@news.sonic.net:

Zeno <Zeno@home.kom> wrote:

"Jan" <overa@online.no> wrote:

Catholics killing protestants and protestants killing catholics. In
other words secterian violence. IRA on on side, loyalists on the
other side. I assumed you have heard of this, so my question was:
Since you assume that secterian violence in Iraq can be blamed on
the Quran,

There is no innate dishonesty in the question. The Quran, acting as
a common theme, is the first thing that comes to mind. What are the
alternatives?

Well, let's see ...

do you also assume that the secterian violence in Nortern Ireland
can be blamed on the Bible?

You have assumed correctly. I do not know the details of the
Northern Ireland dynamic. I see from here that it is a case of
sectarian violence.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Troubles

The naive questions would be: what propelled the violence, and, what
caused the violence to end?

As you wrote just above the Bible, "acting as a common theme, is the
first thing that comes to mind. What are the alternatives?"

And then let's remember the KKK who uses the Bible to promote their
hate, and people like Jim Jones and David Koresh who use the Bible
for their own ends.

And then lets remember that those are tiny fringe elements compared to
the huge degree of "mainstream" support that violent jihadis get from
Muslims.

And yet you ***** libruls are perfectly willing to proclaim that "tiny
minority" to be in the millions when it suits your arguments, like when
you claim that "Bush is recruiting terrorists in Iraq".
--
Fred Stone
aa# 1369
"Cherry-picking: Given a preponderance of intelligence suggesting that a
hostile and unstable dictator has weapons of mass destruction and a few
scattered reports suggesting otherwise, deciding not to give the madman
the benefit of the doubt." - Washington Post
.

User: "Moderator"
Title: Re: Iraq Wake-Up call	03 Feb 2007 10:01:09 AM

On Sat, 3 Feb 2007 14:59:14 +0100 (CET), Fred Stone
<fstone69@earthling.com> wrote:

rfischer@sonic.net (Ray Fischer) wrote in
news:45c441db$0$80056$742ec2ed@news.sonic.net:

Fred Stone <fstone69@earthling.com> wrote:

rfischer@sonic.net (Ray Fischer) wrote in
news:45c3860f$0$80043$742ec2ed@news.sonic.net:

Zeno <Zeno@home.kom> wrote:

"Jan" <overa@online.no> wrote:

Catholics killing protestants and protestants killing catholics. In
other words secterian violence. IRA on on side, loyalists on the
other side. I assumed you have heard of this, so my question was:
Since you assume that secterian violence in Iraq can be blamed on
the Quran,

There is no innate dishonesty in the question. The Quran, acting as
a common theme, is the first thing that comes to mind. What are the
alternatives?

Well, let's see ...

do you also assume that the secterian violence in Nortern Ireland
can be blamed on the Bible?

You have assumed correctly. I do not know the details of the
Northern Ireland dynamic. I see from here that it is a case of
sectarian violence.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Troubles

The naive questions would be: what propelled the violence, and, what
caused the violence to end?

As you wrote just above the Bible, "acting as a common theme, is the
first thing that comes to mind. What are the alternatives?"

And then let's remember the KKK who uses the Bible to promote their
hate, and people like Jim Jones and David Koresh who use the Bible
for their own ends.

And then lets remember that those are tiny fringe elements compared to
the huge degree of "mainstream" support that violent jihadis get from
Muslims.

And yet you ***** libruls are perfectly willing to proclaim that "tiny
minority" to be in the millions when it suits your arguments,

You have misspelled republican

like when you claim that "Bush is recruiting terrorists in Iraq".

That the current Iraq policy increases terrorism is accepted
everywhere except the White House and in the brains of such
as yourself.
Slovakia pulls troops from Iraq
http://www.news.com.au/sundaymail/story/0,,21163318-5003402,00.html?from=public_rss
SLOVAKIA has pulled its troops out of Iraq, Prime Minister Robert Fico
said today, branding the war there "unjust and wrong".
The withdrawal of 110 Slovak army engineers fulfilled one of the
leftist Fico's top campaign promises in a June 2006 election in which
he beat the centre-right administration of Mikulas Dzurinda.
By pulling out, Slovakia joins fellow EU nations Spain and Italy that
also withdrew troops from Iraq following a government change.
Slovakia supported the US-led military campaign in Iraq under Mr
Dzurinda, but Mr Fico has long opposed Slovakia's presence there and
his government agreed in October to withdrew its forces.
"The war in Iraq is unbelievably unjust and wrong," Mr Fico said.
The Slovak soldiers are now in Kuwait and are preparing for a trip
home, the Defence Ministry said.
"The entry of foreign armies into Iraq has caused huge tensions. To
speak about any democracy in Iraq is a fantasy," Mr Fico said.
"The security situation is catastrophic... and if somebody wants to
say today that the situation there has improved, it would be a lie."
--
"The invasion of Iraq I believe will turn out to be the greatest
strategic disaster in U.S. history. . .The American effort in Iraq has
gone badly because the United States did not understand the
consequences of deposing Saddam Hussein . . .the principal beneficiary
of the war was Iran and Al Qaeda, not the United States. . .There is
no way to win a war that is not in your interests.
--Retired Army Lt. Gen. William Odom
.

User: "Fred Stone"
Title: Re: Iraq Wake-Up call	03 Feb 2007 05:23:18 PM

Moderator <as@if.com> wrote in
news:btb9s2tiuu61vasl23inf1g8elcfajcqmr@4ax.com:

On Sat, 3 Feb 2007 14:59:14 +0100 (CET), Fred Stone
<fstone69@earthling.com> wrote:

rfischer@sonic.net (Ray Fischer) wrote in
news:45c441db$0$80056$742ec2ed@news.sonic.net:

Fred Stone <fstone69@earthling.com> wrote:

rfischer@sonic.net (Ray Fischer) wrote in
news:45c3860f$0$80043$742ec2ed@news.sonic.net:

Zeno <Zeno@home.kom> wrote:

"Jan" <overa@online.no> wrote:

Catholics killing protestants and protestants killing catholics.
In other words secterian violence. IRA on on side, loyalists on
the other side. I assumed you have heard of this, so my question
was: Since you assume that secterian violence in Iraq can be
blamed on the Quran,

There is no innate dishonesty in the question. The Quran, acting
as a common theme, is the first thing that comes to mind. What
are the alternatives?

Well, let's see ...

do you also assume that the secterian violence in Nortern Ireland
can be blamed on the Bible?

You have assumed correctly. I do not know the details of the
Northern Ireland dynamic. I see from here that it is a case of
sectarian violence.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Troubles

The naive questions would be: what propelled the violence, and,
what caused the violence to end?

As you wrote just above the Bible, "acting as a common theme, is
the first thing that comes to mind. What are the alternatives?"

And then let's remember the KKK who uses the Bible to promote
their hate, and people like Jim Jones and David Koresh who use the
Bible for their own ends.

And then lets remember that those are tiny fringe elements compared
to the huge degree of "mainstream" support that violent jihadis get
from Muslims.

And so get we from another fringe bigot more of the hatred that
causes war and terrorism and murder. He probably has never met more
than one or to Muslims in his whole life but feels free to condemn a
billion people for the actions of a tiny minority.

Hitler would be proud.

And yet you ***** libruls are perfectly willing to proclaim that
"tiny minority" to be in the millions when it suits your arguments,

You have misspelled republican

like when you claim that "Bush is recruiting terrorists in Iraq".

That the current Iraq policy increases terrorism is accepted
everywhere except the White House and in the brains of such
as yourself.

Argumentum ad populum and ad-hominem.

Slovakia pulls troops from Iraq

http://www.news.com.au/sundaymail/story/0,,21163318-5003402,00.html?

fro

m=public_rss

SLOVAKIA has pulled its troops out of Iraq, Prime Minister Robert Fico
said today, branding the war there "unjust and wrong".

The withdrawal of 110 Slovak army engineers fulfilled one of the
leftist Fico's top campaign promises in a June 2006 election in which
he beat the centre-right administration of Mikulas Dzurinda.

By pulling out, Slovakia joins fellow EU nations Spain and Italy that
also withdrew troops from Iraq following a government change.

Slovakia supported the US-led military campaign in Iraq under Mr
Dzurinda, but Mr Fico has long opposed Slovakia's presence there and
his government agreed in October to withdrew its forces.

"The war in Iraq is unbelievably unjust and wrong," Mr Fico said.

The Slovak soldiers are now in Kuwait and are preparing for a trip
home, the Defence Ministry said.

"The entry of foreign armies into Iraq has caused huge tensions. To
speak about any democracy in Iraq is a fantasy," Mr Fico said.

"The security situation is catastrophic... and if somebody wants to
say today that the situation there has improved, it would be a lie."
--
"The invasion of Iraq I believe will turn out to be the greatest
strategic disaster in U.S. history. . .The American effort in Iraq has
gone badly because the United States did not understand the
consequences of deposing Saddam Hussein . . .the principal beneficiary
of the war was Iran and Al Qaeda, not the United States. . .There is
no way to win a war that is not in your interests.
--Retired Army Lt. Gen. William Odom

Bandwagon fallacy.
--
Fred Stone
aa# 1369
"In a war, there is no such thing as a disproportionate response. The
efforts, not coordinated but certainly in parallel, to depict Islamic
fascism as a nuisance rather than an existential threat to our way of
life, in effect, are attempts to make America's aggressive response to
the attacks of 9/11 into an illegitimate response. Only a suicidal
person can stand to ignore a murderously hateful enemy simply because
the hater doesn't yet have a gun. Only a suicidal nation could stand to
ignore a murderously hateful enemy simply because they do not yet have a
bomb." - Shrinkwrapped
.

User: "Moderator"
Title: Re: Iraq Wake-Up call	02 Feb 2007 06:15:26 PM

On Fri, 2 Feb 2007 23:51:00 +0100 (CET), Fred Stone
<fstone69@earthling.com> wrote:

rfischer@sonic.net (Ray Fischer) wrote in
news:45c3860f$0$80043$742ec2ed@news.sonic.net:

Zeno <Zeno@home.kom> wrote:

"Jan" <overa@online.no> wrote:

Catholics killing protestants and protestants killing catholics. In
other words secterian violence. IRA on on side, loyalists on the
other side. I assumed you have heard of this, so my question was:
Since you assume that secterian violence in Iraq can be blamed on the
Quran,

There is no innate dishonesty in the question. The Quran, acting as a
common theme, is the first thing that comes to mind. What are the
alternatives?

Well, let's see ...

do you also assume that the secterian violence in Nortern Ireland can
be blamed on the Bible?

You have assumed correctly. I do not know the details of the Northern
Ireland dynamic. I see from here that it is a case of sectarian
violence.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Troubles

The naive questions would be: what propelled the violence, and, what
caused the violence to end?

As you wrote just above the Bible, "acting as a common theme, is the
first thing that comes to mind. What are the alternatives?"

And then let's remember the KKK who uses the Bible to promote their
hate, and people like Jim Jones and David Koresh who use the Bible for
their own ends.

And then lets remember that those are tiny fringe elements compared to
the huge degree of "mainstream" support that violent jihadis get from
Muslims.

And ,there again, let's remember that you produce no evidence
whatsoever for this outrageous bigoted slander.
But lack of evidence never stops you clones cheering for war does it?
Carry on lemmings
http://www.americanchronicle.com/articles/viewArticle.asp?articleID=20149
Republicans Poised to Hang Themselves on Iraq
February 2, 2007
Leadership putting loyalty to Bush before loyalty to the voters; will
Sen. John Warner be the next �Macaca� from Virginia?
The Republican leadership seems poised to take their party over the
cliff. Sen. John Warner has successfully manipulated the Senate so
that it will not make a strong statement against the escalation of
troops in Iraq and will re-affirm its unwillingness to use the power
of the purse to stop the president.
And, Republican leader Mitch McConnell, is threatening to filibuster
the appropriations supplemental if the Democrats restricts the
president too much or redirect the funds toward withdrawal.
In the House GOP members are being pressured by the leadership to
back the war. The voters spoke on November 7, 2006 and polls since
have shown opposition to the war has increased and solidified, with
landslide opposition to sending more troops to Iraq.
Putting Bush�s failed and illegal war before the wishes of the
American public risks the future of the Republican Party.
--

"The principle of the Inquisition was murderous ... The popes were not
only murderers in the great style, but they also made murder a legal
basis of the Christian Church and a condition for salvation."
Lord Acton (1834-1902)
--
"The invasion of Iraq I believe will turn out to be the greatest
strategic disaster in U.S. history. . .The American effort in Iraq has
gone badly because the United States did not understand the
consequences of deposing Saddam Hussein . . .the principal beneficiary
of the war was Iran and Al Qaeda, not the United States. . .There is
no way to win a war that is not in your interests.
--Retired Army Lt. Gen. William Odom
.

User: "Fred Stone"
Title: Re: Iraq Wake-Up call	03 Feb 2007 07:57:05 AM

Moderator <as@if.com> wrote in
news:9ck7s2hic5s6tac6hmfa5pmllqcahtqb3h@4ax.com:

On Fri, 2 Feb 2007 23:51:00 +0100 (CET), Fred Stone
<fstone69@earthling.com> wrote:

rfischer@sonic.net (Ray Fischer) wrote in
news:45c3860f$0$80043$742ec2ed@news.sonic.net:

Zeno <Zeno@home.kom> wrote:

"Jan" <overa@online.no> wrote:

Catholics killing protestants and protestants killing catholics. In
other words secterian violence. IRA on on side, loyalists on the
other side. I assumed you have heard of this, so my question was:
Since you assume that secterian violence in Iraq can be blamed on
the Quran,

There is no innate dishonesty in the question. The Quran, acting as
a common theme, is the first thing that comes to mind. What are the
alternatives?

Well, let's see ...

do you also assume that the secterian violence in Nortern Ireland
can be blamed on the Bible?

You have assumed correctly. I do not know the details of the
Northern Ireland dynamic. I see from here that it is a case of
sectarian violence.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Troubles

The naive questions would be: what propelled the violence, and, what
caused the violence to end?

As you wrote just above the Bible, "acting as a common theme, is the
first thing that comes to mind. What are the alternatives?"

And then let's remember the KKK who uses the Bible to promote their
hate, and people like Jim Jones and David Koresh who use the Bible
for their own ends.

And then lets remember that those are tiny fringe elements compared to
the huge degree of "mainstream" support that violent jihadis get from
Muslims.

And ,there again, let's remember that you produce no evidence
whatsoever for this outrageous bigoted slander.

And then lets remember that your choice of editorials isn't evidence of
anything but your own partisan bias.
<snip>
--
Fred Stone
aa# 1369
"Cherry-picking: Given a preponderance of intelligence suggesting that a
hostile and unstable dictator has weapons of mass destruction and a few
scattered reports suggesting otherwise, deciding not to give the madman
the benefit of the doubt." - Washington Post
.

User: "Zeno"
Title: Re: Iraq Wake-Up call	02 Feb 2007 01:28:54 PM

On 02 Feb 2007 18:42:23 GMT,

(Ray Fischer) wrote:

Zeno <Zeno@home.kom> wrote:

"Jan" <overa@online.no> wrote:

There is no innate dishonesty in the question. The Quran, acting as a
common theme, is the first thing that comes to mind. What are the
alternatives?

Well, let's see ...

do you also assume that the secterian violence in Nortern Ireland can be
blamed on the Bible?

You have assumed correctly. I do not know the details of the Northern
Ireland dynamic. I see from here that it is a case of sectarian
violence.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Troubles

The naive questions would be: what propelled the violence, and, what
caused the violence to end?

As you wrote just above the Bible, "acting as a common theme, is the
first thing that comes to mind. What are the alternatives?"

Evidence, Ray, think "evidence".
I don't have any evidence that the Quran breeds the sectarian violence
and we don't have any evidence that the Bible breeds the sectarian
violence in Northern Ireland. Or, at least, none has been presented
yet.

And then let's remember the KKK who uses the Bible to promote their
hate, and people like Jim Jones and David Koresh who use the Bible for
their own ends.

And even people like you who use religion to justify hate.

+ "Lib" soap box
I'm sorry for the fact that the violence is sectarian based. I can't
stop it. If one is against violence then the violence's religious
aspect must be discussed.
- "Lib" soap box
.

User: "Ray Fischer"
Title: Re: Iraq Wake-Up call	03 Feb 2007 02:01:48 AM

Zeno <Zeno@home.kom> wrote:

On 02 Feb 2007 18:42:23 GMT,

(Ray Fischer) wrote:

Zeno <Zeno@home.kom> wrote:

"Jan" <overa@online.no> wrote:

There is no innate dishonesty in the question. The Quran, acting as a
common theme, is the first thing that comes to mind. What are the
alternatives?

Well, let's see ...

do you also assume that the secterian violence in Nortern Ireland can be
blamed on the Bible?

You have assumed correctly. I do not know the details of the Northern
Ireland dynamic. I see from here that it is a case of sectarian
violence.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Troubles

The naive questions would be: what propelled the violence, and, what
caused the violence to end?

As you wrote just above the Bible, "acting as a common theme, is the
first thing that comes to mind. What are the alternatives?"

Evidence, Ray, think "evidence".

Evidence is that you're a religoius bigot.

+ "Lib" soap box

The usual bigotry and hate.
--
Ray Fischer

User: "Robert"
Title: Re: Iraq Wake-Up call	01 Feb 2007 08:46:51 PM

On Thu, 01 Feb 2007 01:45:33 -0600, Zeno <Zeno@home.kom> wrote:

On Wed, 31 Jan 2007 21:59:11 +0100, "Jan" <overa@online.no> wrote:

"Zeno" <Zeno@home.kom> skrev i melding
news:enc0s25h3pbpntekcknd5sjmslj95n544c@4ax.com...

For many of us the sectarian (that is, religious) warring going on in
Iraq is surprisingly barbaric. The violence is a potent wake-up call
to the true nature of the religion practiced by these people - Islam.
The violence is so extreme that it is hard to distinguish between
peaceful muslims and Islamo-fascist radicals.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Islamofascism

The only common element between the sects seems to be the Quran. Can
all the blame be placed there ?

Where will you place the blame for the violence in Northern Ireland? On the
Bible?

In what ways is Northern Ireland similar and dissimilar to the Iraqi
situation? That is, make a point.

In Ireland it's Christian sects, warring with Britain trying to
control. . In Iraq it's Muslim sects warring with Americans trying to
control them.
--
Posted via a free Usenet account from http://www.teranews.com
.

User: "Michael Gray"
Title: Re: Iraq Wake-Up call	01 Feb 2007 10:22:18 PM

On Thu, 01 Feb 2007 18:46:51 -0800, Robert <robpar@netportusa.com>
wrote:
- Refer: <nb95s2pguo9v3taeknne5h49fo92im05ao@4ax.com>

On Thu, 01 Feb 2007 01:45:33 -0600, Zeno <Zeno@home.kom> wrote:

On Wed, 31 Jan 2007 21:59:11 +0100, "Jan" <overa@online.no> wrote:

"Zeno" <Zeno@home.kom> skrev i melding
news:enc0s25h3pbpntekcknd5sjmslj95n544c@4ax.com...

For many of us the sectarian (that is, religious) warring going on in
Iraq is surprisingly barbaric. The violence is a potent wake-up call
to the true nature of the religion practiced by these people - Islam.
The violence is so extreme that it is hard to distinguish between
peaceful muslims and Islamo-fascist radicals.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Islamofascism

The only common element between the sects seems to be the Quran. Can
all the blame be placed there ?

Where will you place the blame for the violence in Northern Ireland? On the
Bible?

In what ways is Northern Ireland similar and dissimilar to the Iraqi
situation? That is, make a point.

In Ireland it's Christian sects, warring with Britain trying to
control. . In Iraq it's Muslim sects warring with Americans trying to
control them.

The Iraqis are warring with British soldiers as well.
--
.

User: "Deuteros"
Title: Re: Iraq Wake-Up call	03 Feb 2007 04:19:13 PM

Michael Gray <mikegray@newsguy.com> wrote in
news:k2f5s29tt6kg9v7cprce3472csl2d7ofpk@4ax.com:

On Thu, 01 Feb 2007 18:46:51 -0800, Robert <robpar@netportusa.com>
wrote:

- Refer: <nb95s2pguo9v3taeknne5h49fo92im05ao@4ax.com>

On Thu, 01 Feb 2007 01:45:33 -0600, Zeno <Zeno@home.kom> wrote:

On Wed, 31 Jan 2007 21:59:11 +0100, "Jan" <overa@online.no> wrote:

"Zeno" <Zeno@home.kom> skrev i melding
news:enc0s25h3pbpntekcknd5sjmslj95n544c@4ax.com...

For many of us the sectarian (that is, religious) warring going on
in Iraq is surprisingly barbaric. The violence is a potent wake-up
call to the true nature of the religion practiced by these people -
Islam. The violence is so extreme that it is hard to distinguish
between peaceful muslims and Islamo-fascist radicals.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Islamofascism

The only common element between the sects seems to be the Quran.
Can all the blame be placed there ?

Where will you place the blame for the violence in Northern Ireland?
On the Bible?

In what ways is Northern Ireland similar and dissimilar to the Iraqi
situation? That is, make a point.

In Ireland it's Christian sects, warring with Britain trying to
control. . In Iraq it's Muslim sects warring with Americans trying to
control them.

The Iraqis are warring with British soldiers as well.

British soldiers make up less than 5% of the occupying troops.
.

User: "Michael Gray"
Title: Re: Iraq Wake-Up call	03 Feb 2007 10:56:15 PM

On Sat, 3 Feb 2007 22:19:13 +0000 (UTC), Deuteros <deuteros@xrs.net>
wrote:
- Refer: <eq31p1$jpm$1@news.onet.pl>