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07 Feb 2006 03:41:03 AM |
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Iraq war has cost $3,000 per U.S. Family....so far |
IRAQ'S CIVIL WAR HAS COST $3,000 PER U.S. FAMILY-- SO FAR - LINK - God
forbid critics of the war on Iraq should compare it with the war in Vietnam.
But perhaps it is worth mentioning that the liberation of Iraq is now
costing more each month than the preservation of the Republic of South
Vietnam did more than 30 years ago.
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| User: "Friar Broccoli" |
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10 Feb 2006 08:53:12 PM |
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Bobby D. Bryant wrote:
Yes, but that would work against Bush's agenda to re-route Social Security
money to the stock market.
Don't be silly. That's not a problem. The US debt is
$8,000,000,000,000.00
There's no money left for Social Security.
http://www.brillig.com/debt_clock/
Cordially;
Friar Broccoli
Robert Keith Elias, Quebec, Canada Email: EliasRK (of) gmail * com
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| User: "eyelessgame" |
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07 Feb 2006 05:57:33 PM |
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Dr. Zarkov wrote:
Ye Old One wrote:
"Khubla" <khubla@adelphia.net> wrote:
IRAQ'S CIVIL WAR HAS COST $3,000 PER U.S. FAMILY-- SO FAR - LINK - God
forbid critics of the war on Iraq should compare it with the war in Vietnam.
But perhaps it is worth mentioning that the liberation of Iraq is now
costing more each month than the preservation of the Republic of South
Vietnam did more than 30 years ago.
Care to explain how that figure is arrived at?
I don't know how he got the cost per family, but if you divide the
current estimate of the amount already spent on the Iraq war, $240 billion
http://nationalpriorities.org/index.php?option=com_wrapper&Itemid=182
by the approximate current U.S. population, you get about $825 per person.
It is standard statistical shorthand in the US to make "per family"
calculations based on four people per family; that gives the number of
households/economic units in the nation. It's justifiable: about 40% of
the population is under 18 or over 65, and the remaining 60% is mostly
married or living together as couples. The population is just under
300 million, and there are roughly 75 million households.
(By the way, the per-capita GDP is $41K, so the per-household GDP is
around $164K. If your family makes less than that, you're below average
-- which something like 95% of the nation is.)
eyelessgame
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| User: "Mike Dworetsky" |
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08 Feb 2006 01:59:12 AM |
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"eyelessgame" <aamp@oro.net> wrote in message
news:1139356652.881446.107910@z14g2000cwz.googlegroups.com...
Dr. Zarkov wrote:
Ye Old One wrote:
"Khubla" <khubla@adelphia.net> wrote:
IRAQ'S CIVIL WAR HAS COST $3,000 PER U.S. FAMILY-- SO FAR - LINK - God
forbid critics of the war on Iraq should compare it with the war in
Vietnam.
But perhaps it is worth mentioning that the liberation of Iraq is now
costing more each month than the preservation of the Republic of South
Vietnam did more than 30 years ago.
Care to explain how that figure is arrived at?
I don't know how he got the cost per family, but if you divide the
current estimate of the amount already spent on the Iraq war, $240
billion
http://nationalpriorities.org/index.php?option=com_wrapper&Itemid=182
by the approximate current U.S. population, you get about $825 per
person.
It is standard statistical shorthand in the US to make "per family"
calculations based on four people per family; that gives the number of
households/economic units in the nation. It's justifiable: about 40% of
the population is under 18 or over 65, and the remaining 60% is mostly
married or living together as couples. The population is just under
300 million, and there are roughly 75 million households.
(By the way, the per-capita GDP is $41K, so the per-household GDP is
around $164K. If your family makes less than that, you're below average
-- which something like 95% of the nation is.)
Apples and oranges compared? GDP is not the same as personal income, not by
a long way. GDP is the value of all goods and services, not the sum of all
personal incomes. ISTR the average US salary level is around $20,000 or so,
but varies a lot around the country. So a family with a total income of
around $40,000 might be closer to average.
eyelessgame
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Mike Dworetsky
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| User: "eyelessgame" |
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13 Feb 2006 11:07:56 AM |
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Mike Dworetsky wrote:
"eyelessgame" <aamp@oro.net> wrote in message
news:1139356652.881446.107910@z14g2000cwz.googlegroups.com...
Dr. Zarkov wrote:
Ye Old One wrote:
"Khubla" <khubla@adelphia.net> wrote:
IRAQ'S CIVIL WAR HAS COST $3,000 PER U.S. FAMILY-- SO FAR - LINK - God
forbid critics of the war on Iraq should compare it with the war in
Vietnam.
But perhaps it is worth mentioning that the liberation of Iraq is now
costing more each month than the preservation of the Republic of South
Vietnam did more than 30 years ago.
Care to explain how that figure is arrived at?
I don't know how he got the cost per family, but if you divide the
current estimate of the amount already spent on the Iraq war, $240
billion
http://nationalpriorities.org/index.php?option=com_wrapper&Itemid=182
by the approximate current U.S. population, you get about $825 per
person.
It is standard statistical shorthand in the US to make "per family"
calculations based on four people per family; that gives the number of
households/economic units in the nation. It's justifiable: about 40% of
the population is under 18 or over 65, and the remaining 60% is mostly
married or living together as couples. The population is just under
300 million, and there are roughly 75 million households.
(By the way, the per-capita GDP is $41K, so the per-household GDP is
around $164K. If your family makes less than that, you're below average
-- which something like 95% of the nation is.)
Apples and oranges compared? GDP is not the same as personal income, not by
a long way. GDP is the value of all goods and services, not the sum of all
personal incomes.
Personal wage and salary income, yes, absolutely, they're much
different. As for personal increase in wealth: someone has to own
everything. All wealth creation -- goods and services -- goes to the
benefit of some individual or individuals.
ISTR the average US salary level is around $20,000 or so,
but varies a lot around the country.
Average, or median? Be careful and be very precise with concepts like
'average'. The *median* income in the US is somewhere right around
$20000, as you say. The *mean share* of all goods and services is the
number I said. That's not comparing apples and oranges, it's comparing
slices of the pie.
The point I was making is that the median income and mean income are
very very different numbers in the US, something that really isn't a
debate.
eyelessgame
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| User: "Ye Old One" |
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07 Feb 2006 10:39:15 AM |
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On Tue, 07 Feb 2006 09:42:05 -0500, "Dr. Zarkov" <Ming@Mongo.com>
enriched this group when s/he wrote:
Ye Old One wrote:
"Khubla" <khubla@adelphia.net> wrote:
IRAQ'S CIVIL WAR HAS COST $3,000 PER U.S. FAMILY-- SO FAR - LINK - God
forbid critics of the war on Iraq should compare it with the war in Vietnam.
But perhaps it is worth mentioning that the liberation of Iraq is now
costing more each month than the preservation of the Republic of South
Vietnam did more than 30 years ago.
Care to explain how that figure is arrived at?
I don't know how he got the cost per family, but if you divide the
current estimate of the amount already spent on the Iraq war, $240 billion
http://nationalpriorities.org/index.php?option=com_wrapper&Itemid=182
by the approximate current U.S. population, you get about $825 per person.
Which is a big difference.
--
Bob.
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| User: "Mark K. Bilbo" |
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07 Feb 2006 03:46:56 PM |
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In <3gjhu190tnqeqacplbsggsapr77d6a148t@4ax.com>, Ye Old One
<usenet@mcsuk.net> wrote:
On Tue, 07 Feb 2006 09:42:05 -0500, "Dr. Zarkov" <Ming@Mongo.com> enriched
this group when s/he wrote:
Ye Old One wrote:
"Khubla" <khubla@adelphia.net> wrote:
IRAQ'S CIVIL WAR HAS COST $3,000 PER U.S. FAMILY-- SO FAR - LINK - God
forbid critics of the war on Iraq should compare it with the war in
Vietnam. But perhaps it is worth mentioning that the liberation of Iraq
is now costing more each month than the preservation of the Republic of
South Vietnam did more than 30 years ago.
Care to explain how that figure is arrived at?
I don't know how he got the cost per family, but if you divide the
current estimate of the amount already spent on the Iraq war, $240
billion
http://nationalpriorities.org/index.php?option=com_wrapper&Itemid=182
by the approximate current U.S. population, you get about $825 per
person.
Which is a big difference.
One figure is per *family, the other per *person.
I don't know off hand what the number of households in the US is but
certainly it's not one person per household...
--
Mark K. Bilbo
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Katrina aftermath pictures
http://www.nola.com/katrinaphotos/user/
"Everything New Orleans"
http://www.nola.com
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| User: "charles" |
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07 Feb 2006 04:23:00 PM |
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How about adding onto that what the Iran war will cost. The war drums
are beating because the President is dead set on getting us in. The
Muslim riots are playing into his hands because Europe has now had
enough of them. If the Europeans feel any more threatened, they will
be actually be eager to send in troops as well. That is what the Pres
has been dikkering for. We haven't enough troops ourselves, so we want
NATO involved. After all, we have 50,000 of our troops sitting around
in Germany backing up NATO.
Of course, we will bomb Iran first, destroy cities, and kill civilian
"collaterals."
At this point, few believe an Iran war is coming, but public opinion is
being molded by circumstances, real and contrived. No one would have
thought we would soon be conquring Afghanistan and then Iraq, but all
that changed after 9/11. It is possible these riots will be handled
deliberately badly so they drive a really big wedge between Islam and
the West like 9/11 did.
In any case, such a war is probable before November.
charles, http://humanpurpose.simplenet.com
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| User: "Joe Cooper" |
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07 Feb 2006 10:15:18 PM |
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charles wrote:
How about adding onto that what the Iran war will cost. The war drums
are beating because the President is dead set on getting us in. The
Muslim riots are playing into his hands because Europe has now had
enough of them. If the Europeans feel any more threatened, they will
be actually be eager to send in troops as well. That is what the Pres
has been dikkering for. We haven't enough troops ourselves, so we want
NATO involved. After all, we have 50,000 of our troops sitting around
in Germany backing up NATO.
Of course, we will bomb Iran first, destroy cities, and kill civilian
"collaterals."
At this point, few believe an Iran war is coming, but public opinion is
being molded by circumstances, real and contrived. No one would have
thought we would soon be conquring Afghanistan and then Iraq, but all
that changed after 9/11. It is possible these riots will be handled
deliberately badly so they drive a really big wedge between Islam and
the West like 9/11 did.
In any case, such a war is probable before November.
charles, http://humanpurpose.simplenet.com
After November
There will be a lot of talk about getting international support for the
next 10 months.
Joe Cooper
Joe Cooper
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| User: "charles" |
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07 Feb 2006 04:23:03 PM |
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How about adding onto that what the Iran war will cost. The war drums
are beating because the President is dead set on getting us in. The
Muslim riots are playing into his hands because Europe has now had
enough of them. If the Europeans feel any more threatened, they will
be actually be eager to send in troops as well. That is what the Pres
has been dikkering for. We haven't enough troops ourselves, so we want
NATO involved. After all, we have 50,000 of our troops sitting around
in Germany backing up NATO.
Of course, we will bomb Iran first, destroy cities, and kill civilian
"collaterals."
At this point, few believe an Iran war is coming, but public opinion is
being molded by circumstances, real and contrived. No one would have
thought we would soon be conquring Afghanistan and then Iraq, but all
that changed after 9/11. It is possible these riots will be handled
deliberately badly so they drive a really big wedge between Islam and
the West like 9/11 did.
In any case, such a war is probable before November.
charles, http://humanpurpose.simplenet.com
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| User: "charles" |
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07 Feb 2006 04:23:19 PM |
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How about adding onto that what the Iran war will cost. The war drums
are beating because the President is dead set on getting us in. The
Muslim riots are playing into his hands because Europe has now had
enough of them. If the Europeans feel any more threatened, they will
be actually be eager to send in troops as well. That is what the Pres
has been dikkering for. We haven't enough troops ourselves, so we want
NATO involved. After all, we have 50,000 of our troops sitting around
in Germany backing up NATO.
Of course, we will bomb Iran first, destroy cities, and kill civilian
"collaterals."
At this point, few believe an Iran war is coming, but public opinion is
being molded by circumstances, real and contrived. No one would have
thought we would soon be conquring Afghanistan and then Iraq, but all
that changed after 9/11. It is possible these riots will be handled
deliberately badly so they drive a really big wedge between Islam and
the West like 9/11 did.
In any case, such a war is probable before November.
charles, http://humanpurpose.simplenet.com
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| User: "charles" |
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07 Feb 2006 04:23:22 PM |
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How about adding onto that what the Iran war will cost. The war drums
are beating because the President is dead set on getting us in. The
Muslim riots are playing into his hands because Europe has now had
enough of them. If the Europeans feel any more threatened, they will
be actually be eager to send in troops as well. That is what the Pres
has been dikkering for. We haven't enough troops ourselves, so we want
NATO involved. After all, we have 50,000 of our troops sitting around
in Germany backing up NATO.
Of course, we will bomb Iran first, destroy cities, and kill civilian
"collaterals."
At this point, few believe an Iran war is coming, but public opinion is
being molded by circumstances, real and contrived. No one would have
thought we would soon be conquring Afghanistan and then Iraq, but all
that changed after 9/11. It is possible these riots will be handled
deliberately badly so they drive a really big wedge between Islam and
the West like 9/11 did.
In any case, such a war is probable before November.
charles, http://humanpurpose.simplenet.com
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| User: "Ye Old One" |
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07 Feb 2006 04:37:36 PM |
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On Tue, 07 Feb 2006 15:46:56 -0600, "Mark K. Bilbo"
<alt-atheism@org.webmaster> enriched this group when s/he wrote:
In <3gjhu190tnqeqacplbsggsapr77d6a148t@4ax.com>, Ye Old One
<usenet@mcsuk.net> wrote:
On Tue, 07 Feb 2006 09:42:05 -0500, "Dr. Zarkov" <Ming@Mongo.com> enriched
this group when s/he wrote:
Ye Old One wrote:
"Khubla" <khubla@adelphia.net> wrote:
IRAQ'S CIVIL WAR HAS COST $3,000 PER U.S. FAMILY-- SO FAR - LINK - God
forbid critics of the war on Iraq should compare it with the war in
Vietnam. But perhaps it is worth mentioning that the liberation of Iraq
is now costing more each month than the preservation of the Republic of
South Vietnam did more than 30 years ago.
Care to explain how that figure is arrived at?
I don't know how he got the cost per family, but if you divide the
current estimate of the amount already spent on the Iraq war, $240
billion
http://nationalpriorities.org/index.php?option=com_wrapper&Itemid=182
by the approximate current U.S. population, you get about $825 per
person.
Which is a big difference.
One figure is per *family, the other per *person.
Ooops!
I don't know off hand what the number of households in the US is but
certainly it's not one person per household...
Don't know about the USA, but in the UK it is about 2.2 per household.
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Bob.
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| User: "Mark K. Bilbo" |
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08 Feb 2006 07:20:03 AM |
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In <4c8iu1923ko4rtdfanstv3bqk109d0lgtu@4ax.com>, Ye Old One
<usenet@mcsuk.net> wrote:
On Tue, 07 Feb 2006 15:46:56 -0600, "Mark K. Bilbo"
<alt-atheism@org.webmaster> enriched this group when s/he wrote:
In <3gjhu190tnqeqacplbsggsapr77d6a148t@4ax.com>, Ye Old One
<usenet@mcsuk.net> wrote:
On Tue, 07 Feb 2006 09:42:05 -0500, "Dr. Zarkov" <Ming@Mongo.com>
enriched this group when s/he wrote:
Ye Old One wrote:
"Khubla" <khubla@adelphia.net> wrote:
IRAQ'S CIVIL WAR HAS COST $3,000 PER U.S. FAMILY-- SO FAR - LINK -
God forbid critics of the war on Iraq should compare it with the war
in Vietnam. But perhaps it is worth mentioning that the liberation of
Iraq is now costing more each month than the preservation of the
Republic of South Vietnam did more than 30 years ago.
Care to explain how that figure is arrived at?
I don't know how he got the cost per family, but if you divide the
current estimate of the amount already spent on the Iraq war, $240
billion
http://nationalpriorities.org/index.php?option=com_wrapper&Itemid=182
by the approximate current U.S. population, you get about $825 per
person.
Which is a big difference.
One figure is per *family, the other per *person.
Ooops!
I don't know off hand what the number of households in the US is but
certainly it's not one person per household...
Don't know about the USA, but in the UK it is about 2.2 per household.
Last figure I can find is from 2002 and is 2.58 per household. But that's
an average over all households (including such as single folk in
apartments). What the census folk consider to be a "family" comes to about
74.33 million units with an average of 3.21 people.
It looks like they're using the latter figure which would be technically
correct since they say "per family" but is a little sneaky as it drives up
the amount per unit. Still, with an estimated 109.3 million households,
the cost per household is around $2,200...
--
Mark K. Bilbo
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Katrina aftermath pictures
http://www.nola.com/katrinaphotos/user/
"Everything New Orleans"
http://www.nola.com
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| User: "satyr" |
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07 Feb 2006 11:07:18 PM |
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On Tue, 07 Feb 2006 16:39:15 GMT, Ye Old One <usenet@mcsuk.net> wrote:
On Tue, 07 Feb 2006 09:42:05 -0500, "Dr. Zarkov" <Ming@Mongo.com>
enriched this group when s/he wrote:
Ye Old One wrote:
"Khubla" <khubla@adelphia.net> wrote:
IRAQ'S CIVIL WAR HAS COST $3,000 PER U.S. FAMILY-- SO FAR - LINK - God
forbid critics of the war on Iraq should compare it with the war in Vietnam.
But perhaps it is worth mentioning that the liberation of Iraq is now
costing more each month than the preservation of the Republic of South
Vietnam did more than 30 years ago.
Care to explain how that figure is arrived at?
I don't know how he got the cost per family, but if you divide the
current estimate of the amount already spent on the Iraq war, $240 billion
http://nationalpriorities.org/index.php?option=com_wrapper&Itemid=182
by the approximate current U.S. population, you get about $825 per person.
Which is a big difference.
Not really. It would be exactly right if the average family had 3.6
people.
There are about 100 million families in the US and, as several posters
have mentioned, the $240B doesn't begin to cover all the costs. $300B
sounds pretty conservative about now. That would be $3,000 per family
and the meter is running. Fast.
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satyr #1953
Chairman, EAC Church Taxation Subcommittee
Director, Gideon Bible Alternative Fuel Project
Supervisor, EAC Fossil Casting Lab
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| User: "Shane" |
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07 Feb 2006 04:14:30 PM |
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On Tue, 07 Feb 2006 16:39:15 GMT, Ye Old One wrote:
On Tue, 07 Feb 2006 09:42:05 -0500, "Dr. Zarkov" <Ming@Mongo.com>
enriched this group when s/he wrote:
Ye Old One wrote:
"Khubla" <khubla@adelphia.net> wrote:
IRAQ'S CIVIL WAR HAS COST $3,000 PER U.S. FAMILY-- SO FAR - LINK - God
forbid critics of the war on Iraq should compare it with the war in Vietnam.
But perhaps it is worth mentioning that the liberation of Iraq is now
costing more each month than the preservation of the Republic of South
Vietnam did more than 30 years ago.
Care to explain how that figure is arrived at?
I don't know how he got the cost per family, but if you divide the
current estimate of the amount already spent on the Iraq war, $240 billion
http://nationalpriorities.org/index.php?option=com_wrapper&Itemid=182
by the approximate current U.S. population, you get about $825 per person.
Which is a big difference.
Surely you jest? Assuming an average of 3.5 - 4 people per family, it
turns out about right.
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| User: "Michael Gray" |
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07 Feb 2006 04:41:04 AM |
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On Tue, 7 Feb 2006 04:41:03 -0500, "Khubla" <khubla@adelphia.net>
wrote:
- Refer: <H6OdnfHQqfi59nXeRVn-rQ@adelphia.com>
IRAQ'S CIVIL WAR HAS COST $3,000 PER U.S. FAMILY-- SO FAR - LINK - God
forbid critics of the war on Iraq should compare it with the war in Vietnam.
But perhaps it is worth mentioning that the liberation of Iraq is now
costing more each month than the preservation of the Republic of South
Vietnam did more than 30 years ago.
Do you know what it has cost per Iraqi family?
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| User: "Al MacLeod" |
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07 Feb 2006 05:28:10 AM |
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In message <c8ugu15c7je15bi574j7llod3lgp6ia78m@4ax.com>, Michael Gray
<fleetg@newsguy.spam.com> writes
On Tue, 7 Feb 2006 04:41:03 -0500, "Khubla" <khubla@adelphia.net>
wrote:
- Refer: <H6OdnfHQqfi59nXeRVn-rQ@adelphia.com>
IRAQ'S CIVIL WAR HAS COST $3,000 PER U.S. FAMILY-- SO FAR - LINK - God
forbid critics of the war on Iraq should compare it with the war in Vietnam.
But perhaps it is worth mentioning that the liberation of Iraq is now
costing more each month than the preservation of the Republic of South
Vietnam did more than 30 years ago.
Do you know what it has cost per Iraqi family?
About 1/30th of a family member.
Al .-.
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Sig missing. Reward for capture. Thanks.
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| User: "stoney" |
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08 Feb 2006 02:06:07 PM |
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On Tue, 07 Feb 2006 21:11:04 +1030, Michael Gray
<fleetg@newsguy.spam.com> wrote in alt.atheism
On Tue, 7 Feb 2006 04:41:03 -0500, "Khubla" <khubla@adelphia.net>
wrote:
- Refer: <H6OdnfHQqfi59nXeRVn-rQ@adelphia.com>
IRAQ'S CIVIL WAR HAS COST $3,000 PER U.S. FAMILY-- SO FAR - LINK - God
forbid critics of the war on Iraq should compare it with the war in Vietnam.
But perhaps it is worth mentioning that the liberation of Iraq is now
costing more each month than the preservation of the Republic of South
Vietnam did more than 30 years ago.
Do you know what it has cost per Iraqi family?
Much much too much.
--
Fundies and trolls are cordially invited to
shove a wooden cross up their arses and rotate
at a high rate of speed. I trust you'll
be 'blessed' with a cornucopia of splinters.
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| User: "duke" |
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07 Feb 2006 05:51:36 PM |
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On Tue, 7 Feb 2006 04:41:03 -0500, "Khubla" <khubla@adelphia.net> wrote:
IRAQ'S CIVIL WAR HAS COST $3,000 PER U.S. FAMILY-- SO FAR - LINK - God
forbid critics of the war on Iraq should compare it with the war in Vietnam.
But perhaps it is worth mentioning that the liberation of Iraq is now
costing more each month than the preservation of the Republic of South
Vietnam did more than 30 years ago.
Well, look at it this way - that's only a dollar per American murdered.
duke
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Pope Paul VI
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| Title: Re: Iraq war has cost $3,000 per U.S. Family....so far |
09 Feb 2006 12:34:38 PM |
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What is even worse is when you look at the average family's share of
the national debt...over $108,000 and counting.
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