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"Transition Zone" |
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19 Dec 2003 05:17:57 AM |
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iraqi mass graves funded by Reagan/Bush ? |
A blind eye to genocide
Through its non-intervention, the US has been complicit in the deaths
of millions, claims Samantha Power in A Problem from Hell. Anthony
Holden weighs the evidence
Sunday June 29, 2003
The Observer
A Problem from Hell: America and the Age of Genocide
by Samantha Power
pp656, Flamingo, £9.99
The word 'genocide' was coined as recently as 1946 by a Polish-Jewish
lawyer named Raphael Lemkin, only four of whose 50-plus relatives
survived the Holocaust. He became a major player in the framing and
adoption of the United Nations Convention on its 'prevention and
punishment', passed in 1948 but not ratified by the United States for
another 40 years, and then only with an 'à la carte' opt-out clause.
Lemkin's story is told in fascinating detail by Samantha Power, an
Irish-born, American-based journalist-turned-academic, and lies at the
heart of this important book, a superb piece of reporting which
cumulatively grows into a major political work, part polemic, part
moral philosophy.
Power continues Lemkin's mission by chronicling all the major
twentieth-century acts of genocide in truly horrifying detail, while
seeking to establish exactly how much the US administration of the day
knew about what was going on as it invariably managed to avoid getting
involved.
'The United States has never in its history intervened to stop
genocide,' she concludes, 'and has, in fact, rarely even made a point
of condemning it as it occurred.'
Taking her title from Secretary of State Warren Christopher's tortured
circumlocutions about Bosnia, Power accuses US Presidents since
Woodrow Wilson of 'considered political inaction' costing millions of
innocent lives abroad while losing not a single vote back home.
An extreme case is, of course, currently being unearthed - all too
literally - in Iraq, where every week sees the discovery of new mass
graves and the exhumation of the victims of Saddam Hussein's Shia and
Kurdish purges. With characteristic boldness, and detail so meticulous
as to defy refutation, Power shows that Presidents Reagan and Bush
(the first) were, meanwhile, raising levels of US aid to Saddam for a
variety of self-interested, if deluded, reasons.
Her passionate interest in genocide was sparked by her baffled
indignation as a young foreign correspondent at the Clinton
administration's reluctance to intervene in the slaughter of 200,000
Bosnians between 1992 and 1995. The Western powers which looked away
or sat on their hands were the same ones then opening Holocaust
museums and solemnly promising (in Clinton's hollow words): 'Never
again.'
Starting with the Turkish massacre of the Armenians in 1915, Power
proceeds via Cambodia, Iraq and the Balkans to the slaughter of
800,000 Tutsi and Hutus in Rwanda in just 100 days in 1994. Each case
is examined in brutally exhaustive detail, almost defying the reader
to proceed without a sense of collective guilt at the consequences of
inaction, not just from the US, her central target, but among its
supposedly civilised Western allies.
She identifies heroic protesters, invariably as ignored or reviled as
Cassandra, while revealing astonishing evidence, much of it new, of
just how much the US government of the day knew, whatever it may have
said at the time.
The eventual intervention in Kosovo and the subsequent trial of
Milosevic are the 'sole exceptions which prove the rule', and may yet
come to be seen as 'high-water marks in genocide prevention and
punishment'. Otherwise, throughout the twentieth century as throughout
history, genocide has all too often been seen by foreign powers as
beyond their remit, an internal matter for the country concerned.
Reports from the front, by survivors, refugees or courageous
journalists and diplomats, have been ignored or discredited.
In the case of the US, as Power argues even more powerfully than we
already knew, any overseas adventures have been dictated solely by
national self-interest, usually more economic than moral. To this day,
there are disagreements over the precise definition of genocide,
flouting the UN declaration and largely designed to dodge any moral
imperative to intervene.
Pre-Lemkin, and to a shameful extent since, national governments have
been left free to treat their own citizens as they choose, ethnic
cleansing being as much (or as little) a matter for foreign
interference as any other domestic policy. Power's litany from the
last century alone makes highly uncomfortable reading for the world
conscience: beyond the tens of millions dead in the Holocaust and
those other, more familiar examples, she cites the Hausa slaughter of
the Ibo in Nigeria in 1968 (a million dead), West Pakistan's culling
of East Pakistan Bengalis in 1971 (up to two million), Tutsi versus
Hutu in 1972 (150,000).
Amid her righteous anger, Power unwittingly allies herself with the
neo-conservatives now calling the shots in Washington, with such
apparent influence on our own moral crusader of a Prime Minister. Many
of her arguments are uncomfortably unilateralist; she does not
specifically say so, but they tend towards the kind of intervention
which recently took place in Iraq, if too late and for all the wrong
reasons. The US, she says, 'has a duty to act', if necessary 'to risk
the lives of its soldiers in stopping this monstrous crime'.
A world in which Bush Junior's America plays moral policeman and goes
in shooting on its own self-interested evidence is not a world with
much appeal to its supposed allies among other Western democracies. A
world in which the US stops dodging its international
responsibilities, signs up to such global initiatives as the World
Court, and helps build a stronger UN to enforce such laws as its
charter against genocide, is a very different matter.
Power's book makes a major contribution to that debate and is required
reading for anyone inclined to take part.
http://books.guardian.co.uk/reviews/politicsphilosophyandsociety/0,6121,987012,00.html
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| Title: Re: iraqi mass graves funded by Reagan/Bush ? |
19 Dec 2003 07:56:04 PM |
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"Transition Zone" <mogulah@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:3f224cda.0312190317.25dc60c6@posting.google.com...
<snip>
An extreme case is, of course, currently being unearthed - all too
literally - in Iraq, where every week sees the discovery of new mass
graves and the exhumation of the victims of Saddam Hussein's Shia and
Kurdish purges. With characteristic boldness, and detail so meticulous
as to defy refutation, Power shows that Presidents Reagan and Bush
(the first) were, meanwhile, raising levels of US aid to Saddam for a
variety of self-interested, if deluded, reasons.
I just heard this this morning on NPR. While the Reagan admin publicly
decried the killings an envoy told saddam that they would not stop aide to
him.
The same broadcast told that all protests have been banned in Iraq and the
US will fire on any such gathering.
Explain again how we are bringing democracy to them?
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| User: "R. Steve Walz" |
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20 Dec 2003 04:01:03 AM |
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Mike Painter wrote:
"Transition Zone" <mogulah@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:3f224cda.0312190317.25dc60c6@posting.google.com...
<snip>
An extreme case is, of course, currently being unearthed - all too
literally - in Iraq, where every week sees the discovery of new mass
graves and the exhumation of the victims of Saddam Hussein's Shia and
Kurdish purges. With characteristic boldness, and detail so meticulous
as to defy refutation, Power shows that Presidents Reagan and Bush
(the first) were, meanwhile, raising levels of US aid to Saddam for a
variety of self-interested, if deluded, reasons.
I just heard this this morning on NPR. While the Reagan admin publicly
decried the killings an envoy told saddam that they would not stop aide to
him.
The same broadcast told that all protests have been banned in Iraq and the
US will fire on any such gathering.
Explain again how we are bringing democracy to them?
-------------------------
The gatherings are criminals trying to take illegitimate UNDemocractic
power in the current power vacuum before the Majority of their People
even have voted in Constitution, stupid.
Steve
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| User: "BroJack" |
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19 Dec 2003 08:06:38 PM |
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On Sat, 20 Dec 2003 01:56:04 GMT, "Mike Painter" <mdotpainter@att.net>
wrote:
"Transition Zone" <mogulah@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:3f224cda.0312190317.25dc60c6@posting.google.com...
<snip>
An extreme case is, of course, currently being unearthed - all too
literally - in Iraq, where every week sees the discovery of new mass
graves and the exhumation of the victims of Saddam Hussein's Shia and
Kurdish purges. With characteristic boldness, and detail so meticulous
as to defy refutation, Power shows that Presidents Reagan and Bush
(the first) were, meanwhile, raising levels of US aid to Saddam for a
variety of self-interested, if deluded, reasons.
I just heard this this morning on NPR. While the Reagan admin publicly
decried the killings an envoy told saddam that they would not stop aide to
him.
The same broadcast told that all protests have been banned in Iraq and the
US will fire on any such gathering.
Explain again how we are bringing democracy to them?
NPR, oh you mean National Palestine Radio.
BroJack
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| User: "Mike Painter" |
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| Title: Re: iraqi mass graves funded by Reagan/Bush ? |
19 Dec 2003 10:47:54 PM |
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"BroJack" <BroJack@windswept.net> wrote in message
news:3fe3aeb8.50244328@news.east.earthlink.net...
On Sat, 20 Dec 2003 01:56:04 GMT, "Mike Painter" <mdotpainter@att.net>
wrote:
"Transition Zone" <mogulah@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:3f224cda.0312190317.25dc60c6@posting.google.com...
<snip>
An extreme case is, of course, currently being unearthed - all too
literally - in Iraq, where every week sees the discovery of new mass
graves and the exhumation of the victims of Saddam Hussein's Shia and
Kurdish purges. With characteristic boldness, and detail so meticulous
as to defy refutation, Power shows that Presidents Reagan and Bush
(the first) were, meanwhile, raising levels of US aid to Saddam for a
variety of self-interested, if deluded, reasons.
I just heard this this morning on NPR. While the Reagan admin publicly
decried the killings an envoy told saddam that they would not stop aide
to
him.
The same broadcast told that all protests have been banned in Iraq and
the
US will fire on any such gathering.
Explain again how we are bringing democracy to them?
NPR, oh you mean National Palestine Radio.
No, that's NPR, National Public Radio. It's short for NTTROTWH.
News That The Rest Of The World Hears.
More and more we talk about free speech while other countries do it.
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| User: "R. Steve Walz" |
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20 Dec 2003 04:01:47 AM |
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Mike Painter wrote:
"BroJack" <BroJack@windswept.net> wrote in message
news:3fe3aeb8.50244328@news.east.earthlink.net...
On Sat, 20 Dec 2003 01:56:04 GMT, "Mike Painter" <mdotpainter@att.net>
wrote:
"Transition Zone" <mogulah@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:3f224cda.0312190317.25dc60c6@posting.google.com...
<snip>
An extreme case is, of course, currently being unearthed - all too
literally - in Iraq, where every week sees the discovery of new mass
graves and the exhumation of the victims of Saddam Hussein's Shia and
Kurdish purges. With characteristic boldness, and detail so meticulous
as to defy refutation, Power shows that Presidents Reagan and Bush
(the first) were, meanwhile, raising levels of US aid to Saddam for a
variety of self-interested, if deluded, reasons.
I just heard this this morning on NPR. While the Reagan admin publicly
decried the killings an envoy told saddam that they would not stop aide
to
him.
The same broadcast told that all protests have been banned in Iraq and
the
US will fire on any such gathering.
Explain again how we are bringing democracy to them?
NPR, oh you mean National Palestine Radio.
No, that's NPR, National Public Radio. It's short for NTTROTWH.
News That The Rest Of The World Hears.
-----------------------
Then the world is being misinformed.
Steve
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| User: "Mike Painter" |
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21 Dec 2003 12:24:07 PM |
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"R. Steve Walz" <rstevew@armory.com> wrote in message
news:3FE41E3C.2C3D@armory.com...
Mike Painter wrote:
"BroJack" <BroJack@windswept.net> wrote in message
news:3fe3aeb8.50244328@news.east.earthlink.net...
On Sat, 20 Dec 2003 01:56:04 GMT, "Mike Painter" <mdotpainter@att.net>
wrote:
<snip >
I just heard this this morning on NPR. While the Reagan admin
publicly
decried the killings an envoy told saddam that they would not stop
aide
to
him.
The same broadcast told that all protests have been banned in Iraq
and
the
US will fire on any such gathering.
Explain again how we are bringing democracy to them?
NPR, oh you mean National Palestine Radio.
No, that's NPR, National Public Radio. It's short for NTTROTWH.
News That The Rest Of The World Hears.
-----------------------
Then the world is being misinformed.
My country right or wrong.
Jefferson would spit on you.
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| User: "brojack" |
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20 Dec 2003 06:14:18 AM |
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On Sat, 20 Dec 2003 04:47:54 GMT, "Mike Painter" <mdotpainter@att.net>
wrote:
"BroJack" <BroJack@windswept.net> wrote in message
news:3fe3aeb8.50244328@news.east.earthlink.net...
On Sat, 20 Dec 2003 01:56:04 GMT, "Mike Painter" <mdotpainter@att.net>
wrote:
"Transition Zone" <mogulah@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:3f224cda.0312190317.25dc60c6@posting.google.com...
<snip>
An extreme case is, of course, currently being unearthed - all too
literally - in Iraq, where every week sees the discovery of new mass
graves and the exhumation of the victims of Saddam Hussein's Shia and
Kurdish purges. With characteristic boldness, and detail so meticulous
as to defy refutation, Power shows that Presidents Reagan and Bush
(the first) were, meanwhile, raising levels of US aid to Saddam for a
variety of self-interested, if deluded, reasons.
I just heard this this morning on NPR. While the Reagan admin publicly
decried the killings an envoy told saddam that they would not stop aide
to
him.
The same broadcast told that all protests have been banned in Iraq and
the
US will fire on any such gathering.
Explain again how we are bringing democracy to them?
NPR, oh you mean National Palestine Radio.
No, that's NPR, National Public Radio. It's short for NTTROTWH.
News That The Rest Of The World Hears.
More and more we talk about free speech while other countries do it.
They're part of the hate-America brigade that has brainwashed you the
past 40 years.
BroJack
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| User: "R. Steve Walz" |
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20 Dec 2003 09:22:51 PM |
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brojack wrote:
On Sat, 20 Dec 2003 04:47:54 GMT, "Mike Painter" <mdotpainter@att.net>
wrote:
"BroJack" <BroJack@windswept.net> wrote in message
news:3fe3aeb8.50244328@news.east.earthlink.net...
On Sat, 20 Dec 2003 01:56:04 GMT, "Mike Painter" <mdotpainter@att.net>
wrote:
"Transition Zone" <mogulah@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:3f224cda.0312190317.25dc60c6@posting.google.com...
<snip>
An extreme case is, of course, currently being unearthed - all too
literally - in Iraq, where every week sees the discovery of new mass
graves and the exhumation of the victims of Saddam Hussein's Shia and
Kurdish purges. With characteristic boldness, and detail so meticulous
as to defy refutation, Power shows that Presidents Reagan and Bush
(the first) were, meanwhile, raising levels of US aid to Saddam for a
variety of self-interested, if deluded, reasons.
I just heard this this morning on NPR. While the Reagan admin publicly
decried the killings an envoy told saddam that they would not stop aide
to
him.
The same broadcast told that all protests have been banned in Iraq and
the
US will fire on any such gathering.
Explain again how we are bringing democracy to them?
NPR, oh you mean National Palestine Radio.
No, that's NPR, National Public Radio. It's short for NTTROTWH.
News That The Rest Of The World Hears.
More and more we talk about free speech while other countries do it.
They're part of the hate-America brigade that has brainwashed you the
past 40 years.
BroJack
--------------------------------
Develop discernment:
Amerika deserves some hate for its previous colonial endeavors, and
praise for its recent non-colonial endeavors to bring freedom to the
Middle East.
Steve
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| User: "BroJack" |
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21 Dec 2003 07:26:53 AM |
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On Sun, 21 Dec 2003 03:22:51 GMT, "R. Steve Walz" <rstevew@armory.com>
wrote:
brojack wrote:
On Sat, 20 Dec 2003 04:47:54 GMT, "Mike Painter" <mdotpainter@att.net>
wrote:
"BroJack" <BroJack@windswept.net> wrote in message
news:3fe3aeb8.50244328@news.east.earthlink.net...
On Sat, 20 Dec 2003 01:56:04 GMT, "Mike Painter" <mdotpainter@att.net>
wrote:
"Transition Zone" <mogulah@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:3f224cda.0312190317.25dc60c6@posting.google.com...
<snip>
An extreme case is, of course, currently being unearthed - all too
literally - in Iraq, where every week sees the discovery of new mass
graves and the exhumation of the victims of Saddam Hussein's Shia and
Kurdish purges. With characteristic boldness, and detail so meticulous
as to defy refutation, Power shows that Presidents Reagan and Bush
(the first) were, meanwhile, raising levels of US aid to Saddam for a
variety of self-interested, if deluded, reasons.
I just heard this this morning on NPR. While the Reagan admin publicly
decried the killings an envoy told saddam that they would not stop aide
to
him.
The same broadcast told that all protests have been banned in Iraq and
the
US will fire on any such gathering.
Explain again how we are bringing democracy to them?
NPR, oh you mean National Palestine Radio.
No, that's NPR, National Public Radio. It's short for NTTROTWH.
News That The Rest Of The World Hears.
More and more we talk about free speech while other countries do it.
They're part of the hate-America brigade that has brainwashed you the
past 40 years.
BroJack
--------------------------------
Develop discernment:
Amerika deserves some hate for its previous colonial endeavors, and
praise for its recent non-colonial endeavors to bring freedom to the
Middle East.
Typical liberal Jewish sentiment.
You deserve to move to China to teach them the *right* way to do
communism.
BroJack
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| User: "R. Steve Walz" |
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21 Dec 2003 03:14:07 PM |
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BroJack wrote:
On Sun, 21 Dec 2003 03:22:51 GMT, "R. Steve Walz" <rstevew@armory.com>
wrote:
brojack wrote:
On Sat, 20 Dec 2003 04:47:54 GMT, "Mike Painter" <mdotpainter@att.net>
wrote:
"BroJack" <BroJack@windswept.net> wrote in message
news:3fe3aeb8.50244328@news.east.earthlink.net...
On Sat, 20 Dec 2003 01:56:04 GMT, "Mike Painter" <mdotpainter@att.net>
wrote:
"Transition Zone" <mogulah@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:3f224cda.0312190317.25dc60c6@posting.google.com...
<snip>
An extreme case is, of course, currently being unearthed - all too
literally - in Iraq, where every week sees the discovery of new mass
graves and the exhumation of the victims of Saddam Hussein's Shia and
Kurdish purges. With characteristic boldness, and detail so meticulous
as to defy refutation, Power shows that Presidents Reagan and Bush
(the first) were, meanwhile, raising levels of US aid to Saddam for a
variety of self-interested, if deluded, reasons.
I just heard this this morning on NPR. While the Reagan admin publicly
decried the killings an envoy told saddam that they would not stop aide
to
him.
The same broadcast told that all protests have been banned in Iraq and
the
US will fire on any such gathering.
Explain again how we are bringing democracy to them?
NPR, oh you mean National Palestine Radio.
No, that's NPR, National Public Radio. It's short for NTTROTWH.
News That The Rest Of The World Hears.
More and more we talk about free speech while other countries do it.
They're part of the hate-America brigade that has brainwashed you the
past 40 years.
BroJack
--------------------------------
Develop discernment:
Amerika deserves some hate for its previous colonial endeavors, and
praise for its recent non-colonial endeavors to bring freedom to the
Middle East.
Typical liberal Jewish sentiment.
----------------------------
That's not Jewish, that's merely white Europeans taking responsibility
for their culture's crimes!
You deserve to move to China to teach them the *right* way to do
communism.
BroJack
---------------------------
You deserve to move to hell to learn how to pee your own wounds.
Steve
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| User: "BroJack" |
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21 Dec 2003 04:00:04 PM |
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On Sun, 21 Dec 2003 21:14:07 GMT, "R. Steve Walz" <rstevew@armory.com>
wrote:
BroJack wrote:
On Sun, 21 Dec 2003 03:22:51 GMT, "R. Steve Walz" <rstevew@armory.com>
wrote:
brojack wrote:
On Sat, 20 Dec 2003 04:47:54 GMT, "Mike Painter" <mdotpainter@att.net>
wrote:
"BroJack" <BroJack@windswept.net> wrote in message
news:3fe3aeb8.50244328@news.east.earthlink.net...
On Sat, 20 Dec 2003 01:56:04 GMT, "Mike Painter" <mdotpainter@att.net>
wrote:
"Transition Zone" <mogulah@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:3f224cda.0312190317.25dc60c6@posting.google.com...
<snip>
An extreme case is, of course, currently being unearthed - all too
literally - in Iraq, where every week sees the discovery of new mass
graves and the exhumation of the victims of Saddam Hussein's Shia and
Kurdish purges. With characteristic boldness, and detail so meticulous
as to defy refutation, Power shows that Presidents Reagan and Bush
(the first) were, meanwhile, raising levels of US aid to Saddam for a
variety of self-interested, if deluded, reasons.
I just heard this this morning on NPR. While the Reagan admin publicly
decried the killings an envoy told saddam that they would not stop aide
to
him.
The same broadcast told that all protests have been banned in Iraq and
the
US will fire on any such gathering.
Explain again how we are bringing democracy to them?
NPR, oh you mean National Palestine Radio.
No, that's NPR, National Public Radio. It's short for NTTROTWH.
News That The Rest Of The World Hears.
More and more we talk about free speech while other countries do it.
They're part of the hate-America brigade that has brainwashed you the
past 40 years.
BroJack
--------------------------------
Develop discernment:
Amerika deserves some hate for its previous colonial endeavors, and
praise for its recent non-colonial endeavors to bring freedom to the
Middle East.
Typical liberal Jewish sentiment.
----------------------------
That's not Jewish, that's merely white Europeans taking responsibility
for their culture's crimes!
The only reason you take a conservative approach on the mid-East is
your Jew roots.
You deserve to move to China to teach them the *right* way to do
communism.
BroJack
---------------------------
You deserve to move to hell to learn how to pee your own wounds.
You can also teach them the joys of chickenhawking.
Bro
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| User: "R. Steve Walz" |
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21 Dec 2003 04:29:13 PM |
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BroJack wrote:
On Sun, 21 Dec 2003 21:14:07 GMT, "R. Steve Walz" <rstevew@armory.com>
wrote:
They're part of the hate-America brigade that has brainwashed you the
past 40 years.
BroJack
--------------------------------
Develop discernment:
Amerika deserves some hate for its previous colonial endeavors, and
praise for its recent non-colonial endeavors to bring freedom to the
Middle East.
Typical liberal Jewish sentiment.
----------------------------
That's not Jewish, that's merely white Europeans taking > >responsibility
for their culture's crimes!
The only reason you take a conservative approach on the mid-East is
your Jew roots.
-------------------------------
The approach we're using in the Middle East is and always has been a
Liberal approach of Liberating religiously and fascistly oppressed
peoples. It has nothing whatsoever to do with Jews.
You deserve to move to China to teach them the *right* way to do
communism.
BroJack
---------------------------
You deserve to move to hell to learn how to pee your own wounds.
You can also teach them the joys of chickenhawking.
Bro
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They'd have to rely on you for that, you lying worthless
judgement proof piece of crap who lives in your Momma's basement!
Steve
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| User: "brojack" |
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21 Dec 2003 04:46:17 PM |
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On Sun, 21 Dec 2003 22:29:13 GMT, "R. Steve Walz" <rstevew@armory.com>
wrote:
BroJack wrote:
On Sun, 21 Dec 2003 21:14:07 GMT, "R. Steve Walz" <rstevew@armory.com>
wrote:
They're part of the hate-America brigade that has brainwashed you the
past 40 years.
BroJack
--------------------------------
Develop discernment:
Amerika deserves some hate for its previous colonial endeavors, and
praise for its recent non-colonial endeavors to bring freedom to the
Middle East.
Typical liberal Jewish sentiment.
----------------------------
That's not Jewish, that's merely white Europeans taking > >responsibility
for their culture's crimes!
The only reason you take a conservative approach on the mid-East is
your Jew roots.
-------------------------------
The approach we're using in the Middle East is and always has been a
Liberal approach of Liberating religiously and fascistly oppressed
peoples. It has nothing whatsoever to do with Jews.
Naw, you support the Jews; blood's thicka than water.
You deserve to move to China to teach them the *right* way to do
communism.
BroJack
---------------------------
You deserve to move to hell to learn how to pee your own wounds.
You can also teach them the joys of chickenhawking.
Bro
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They'd have to rely on you for that, you lying worthless
judgement proof piece of crap who lives in your Momma's basement!
Take Michael with you. Helluva teaching team you'd make.
Bro
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| User: "R. Steve Walz" |
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21 Dec 2003 09:35:11 PM |
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brojack wrote:
On Sun, 21 Dec 2003 22:29:13 GMT, "R. Steve Walz" <rstevew@armory.com>
wrote:
The only reason you take a conservative approach on the mid-East is
your Jew roots.
-------------------
I'm not Jewish, only my ex-wife's family was, even my wife wasn't,
except perhaps culturally.
The approach we're using in the Middle East is and always has been a
Liberal approach of Liberating religiously and fascistly oppressed
peoples. It has nothing whatsoever to do with Jews.
Naw, you support the Jews; blood's thicka than water.
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I don't live by "blood".
I want ALL the Abrahamic religions wiped from the earth, I just
start with the most dangerous ones first, Xtianity and Islam,
and give any left later the option to change their stripes before
we get to them, and if Judaism doesn't stop cutting on infants
I want them all dead.
As for the rest: You KNOW you're a *****-fucking liar!
Steve
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| Title: Re: iraqi mass graves funded by Reagan/Bush ? |
20 Dec 2003 06:57:58 AM |
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brojack wrote:
On Sat, 20 Dec 2003 04:47:54 GMT, "Mike Painter" <mdotpainter@att.net>
wrote:
"BroJack" <BroJack@windswept.net> wrote in message
news:3fe3aeb8.50244328@news.east.earthlink.net...
On Sat, 20 Dec 2003 01:56:04 GMT, "Mike Painter" <mdotpainter@att.net>
wrote:
"Transition Zone" <mogulah@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:3f224cda.0312190317.25dc60c6@posting.google.com...
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An extreme case is, of course, currently being unearthed - all too
literally - in Iraq, where every week sees the discovery of new mass
graves and the exhumation of the victims of Saddam Hussein's Shia and
Kurdish purges. With characteristic boldness, and detail so
meticulous as to defy refutation, Power shows that Presidents Reagan
and Bush (the first) were, meanwhile, raising levels of US aid to
Saddam for a variety of self-interested, if deluded, reasons.
I just heard this this morning on NPR. While the Reagan admin publicly
decried the killings an envoy told saddam that they would not stop aide
to
him.
The same broadcast told that all protests have been banned in Iraq and
the
US will fire on any such gathering.
Explain again how we are bringing democracy to them?
NPR, oh you mean National Palestine Radio.
No, that's NPR, National Public Radio. It's short for NTTROTWH.
News That The Rest Of The World Hears.
More and more we talk about free speech while other countries do it.
They're part of the hate-America brigade that has brainwashed you the
past 40 years.
Now, there you go, hating America.
Unable to stop people from telling the truth, you lie that people who
objected to the GOP's coddling of the murderous Saddam regime in the
past "hate America". That those who object to Bush's lies and
exaggerations "hate America". But those who love America (not you) want
and demand an America that does not suppport murderers like Saddam.
Nor lie us into a war that has saddled us with huge costs, alienated
us from the people of the world, and made Iraq a center for wolrd terrorism
as al Qaeda terrorists flood to Iraq to kill Americans and collect
weapons, explosives and other materials for future terrorit activities.
Object to that and the right winger hate America brigade bristles at
pointing out that Bush has armed al Qaeda for another decade.
And calls us "the hate America brigade" when we object to Bush's
stupidities and the coming cost.
Why would a right winger object to pointing out Bush's stupidities
have stirred up terrorism and armed it?
Because teh right wingers love right wing ideology above all including
common sense and patriotism.
In reality, they hate America \and would rather be right winged than
competent and hold Bush to blame for his failed policies.
When you hate people who are right about such things, and call
people who are right about such things names in an attempt to
halt such competent criticisms. one really does hate America
and holds one's far right ideologies above patriotism, America,
competence.
I note numerous news stories told how the PNAC inspired war on Iraq
failed to plan for securing the numerous large depots of weapons and
explosives the Hussein regime had gathered and stored.
Many are now in the hands of various terrorists, Saddam's fedayeen,
ex-military, and people who will sell them to al Qaeda or other terrorists.
The hate America brigade of teh far right pretends these weapons are not
now in the hands of people who mean America harm, and spews hate at those
of us who point out that Bush has armed al Qaeda and other terroists for
another decade by this grand stupidity. How much more hate for America
can the far right prove it has than the way they ignore this while
preaching hate for those who object to such vast stupiditioes?
The right simply does not care.
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Bush! Chimp or chump?
Cheerful Charlie
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| User: "R. Steve Walz" |
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| Title: Re: iraqi mass graves funded by Reagan/Bush ? |
20 Dec 2003 03:59:11 AM |
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Transition Zone wrote:
A blind eye to genocide
Through its non-intervention, the US has been complicit in the deaths
of millions, claims Samantha Power in A Problem from Hell. Anthony
Holden weighs the evidence
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God, I fucking hope so!
Hate to think we spent all that money and those lives for nuthin'!
Steve
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