Religions > Atheism > Iraqi Official Testifies to Links Between Saddam and Al Qaeda
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Iraqi Official Testifies to Links Between Saddam and Al Qaeda |
http://www.nysun.com/article/39631
WASHINGTON — A deputy prime minister of Iraq yesterday offered a sharp
contradiction of the conventional wisdom here that Saddam Hussein's Iraq
and Al Qaeda had no connection before the 2003 war, flatly contradicting
a recent report from the Senate's intelligence committee.
In a speech in which he challenged the belief of war critics that
Iraqis' lives are now worse than under Saddam Hussein, Barham Salih
said, "The alliance between the Baathists and jihadists which sustains
Al Qaeda in Iraq is not new, contrary to what you may have been told."
He went on to say, "I know this at first hand. Some of my friends were
murdered by jihadists, by Al Qaeda-affiliated operatives who had been
sheltered and assisted by Saddam's regime."
A Kurdish politician who took his high school exams from inside a
Baathist prison, Mr. Salih said he was the target of the alliance
between jihadists, Baathists, and Al Qaeda in 2001, when a group known
as Ansar al-Islam tried to assassinate him. In 2002, envoys of the
Patriotic Union of Kurdistan, one of the two Kurdish parties sharing
sovereignty over northern Iraq between the two Iraq wars, presented the
CIA with evidence that the organization that tried to kill Mr. Salih had
been in part funded and directed by Saddam Hussein's Republican Guard.
Those words directly contradict a recent report from the Senate Select
Committee on Intelligence that declassified a 2005 CIA assessment of
Iraq's pre-war ties to Al Qaeda and found that none existed. In an
interview after the speech yesterday, Mr. Salih said he was unaware of
the CIA assessment. But he added, "There were links between Ansar al-
Islam and Al Qaeda. The information at time [in 2002] was quite
different. Now, we could not prove this in a court of law, but this is
intelligence."
The Senate's report declassifies a July 2002 Defense Intelligence Agency
study of Ansar al-Islam as a possible link between Saddam's Iraq and Al
Qaeda that concludes that, even if it can be proven, as Mr. Salih at the
time alleged, that the Baathist regime supported the group, "it will not
necessarily implicate the regime in supporting Al Qaeda." The DIA
concludes that Ansar al-Islam "receives assistance" from Al Qaeda but is
not a branch of the terrorist organization.
Democrats in the last three days have used the Senate report as a stick
with which to beat the White House. On Tuesday, the ranking Democrat on
the House Permanent Select Committee on Intelligence, Rep. Jane Harman
of California, wrote a letter to Vice President Cheney urging him to
rescind his remarks on NBC's "Meet the Press" last Sunday when he said
he did not know whether an accused September 11 hijacker, Mohammed Atta,
met with a senior Iraqi intelligence official in Prague. On that
program, Mr. Cheney dismissed the Senate committee's report and said he
had not read it.
On Tuesday and yesterday, the Senate Democratic leader's communications
office sent out press releases accusing White House press secretary Tony
Snow of misleading the public on Iraq when he insisted the president
asserted that no a relationship between Al Qaeda and Iraq existed before
the war. The Senate committee's report quotes the 2005 CIA report as
saying Saddam Hussein did not know that the former commander of Al Qaeda
in Iraq, Abu Musab Zarqawi, was in his country before the war.
Clinging to the assessments of the intelligence agencies, the Democrats
have used the finding to make the broader point that the Iraq war is in
no way related to the war on terrorism. Rep. Ike Skelton, a senior
Democrat on the House Armed Services Committee from Missouri, yesterday
issued a statement saying, "Our country is engaged in two separate wars.
The first is the war against terrorism, which has its genesis in
Afghanistan."
He went on to say, "The second war, in Iraq, originated because of the
alleged threat of weapons of mass destruction against America and our
interests. This was a war of choice." The two war theme was repeated by
President Carter's national security adviser, Zbigniew Brzezinski, in a
speech on new directions for American foreign policy.
But Mr. Salih at the Brookings Institution yesterday rebutted this
point. "The terrorism that we are facing is therefore not an aberration
caused by the liberation of Iraq. It is not an expression of a
legitimate grievance. It is the failure of the political culture that is
the rotted offspring of the old order, the results of decades of
inequality, intolerance, injustice, and officially-sponsored
fanaticism," he said. A few breaths later, Mr. Salih said, "We are your
allies in the global war against Al Qaeda."
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Fred Stone
aa# 1369
"When liberals’ presidential nominees consistently fail to carry Kansas,
liberals do not rush to read a book titled “What’s the Matter With
Liberals’ Nominees?'’ No, the book they turned into a best-seller is
titled “What’s the Matter With Kansas?'’ Notice a pattern here?"
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14 Sep 2006 08:45:58 PM |
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"Fred Stone" <fstone69@earthling.com> wrote in message
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http://www.nysun.com/article/39631
WASHINGTON - A deputy prime minister of Iraq yesterday offered a sharp
contradiction of the conventional wisdom here that Saddam Hussein's Iraq
and Al Qaeda had no connection before the 2003 war, flatly contradicting
a recent report from the Senate's intelligence committee.
Who the ***** cares? Even if this is true, it's irrelevant. If we didn't know
there was a connection, then we didn't know there was a connection, and so
it doesn't change the fact that we were lied to when we were told we knew
there WAS a connection.
--
Denis Loubet
dloubet@io.com
http://www.io.com/~dloubet
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| User: "Fred Liken" |
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| Title: Re: Iraqi Official Testifies to Links Between Saddam and Al Qaeda |
15 Sep 2006 05:24:02 PM |
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"Denis Loubet" <dloubet@io.com> wrote in message
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"Fred Stone" <fstone69@earthling.com> wrote in message
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http://www.nysun.com/article/39631
WASHINGTON - A deputy prime minister of Iraq yesterday offered a sharp
contradiction of the conventional wisdom here that Saddam Hussein's Iraq
and Al Qaeda had no connection before the 2003 war, flatly contradicting
a recent report from the Senate's intelligence committee.
Who the ***** cares? Even if this is true, it's irrelevant. If we didn't
know there was a connection, then we didn't know there was a connection,
and so it doesn't change the fact that we were lied to when we were told
we knew there WAS a connection.
Officials from Iraq said there were before the war.
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| User: "Fred Stone" |
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| Title: Re: Iraqi Official Testifies to Links Between Saddam and Al Qaeda |
15 Sep 2006 06:33:38 PM |
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"Fred Liken" <nothanks@toocoolforschool.com> wrote in
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"Denis Loubet" <dloubet@io.com> wrote in message
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"Fred Stone" <fstone69@earthling.com> wrote in message
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http://www.nysun.com/article/39631
WASHINGTON - A deputy prime minister of Iraq yesterday offered a
sharp contradiction of the conventional wisdom here that Saddam
Hussein's Iraq and Al Qaeda had no connection before the 2003 war,
flatly contradicting a recent report from the Senate's intelligence
committee.
Who the ***** cares? Even if this is true, it's irrelevant. If we
didn't know there was a connection, then we didn't know there was a
connection, and so it doesn't change the fact that we were lied to
when we were told we knew there WAS a connection.
Officials from Iraq said there were before the war.
But that contradicted a Cherished Theory of the Intelligence Community
(Saddam Is Too Secular To Cooperate With Osama) so they reported that it
was inconsequential. The IC stuck to that Cherished Theory no matter how
much evidence was presented, and it became Established Wisdom. Now that
some Democratic Senators commissioned a report to enshrine the
Established Wisdom as an I Told You So so they can use it as a stick to
beat Bush with, there will be no stopping our resident lefties from
Knowing The Facts even though they're as wrong as could be.
--
Fred Stone
aa# 1369
"When liberals’ presidential nominees consistently fail to carry Kansas,
liberals do not rush to read a book titled “What’s the Matter With
Liberals’ Nominees?'’ No, the book they turned into a best-seller is
titled “What’s the Matter With Kansas?'’ Notice a pattern here?"
--
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| User: "Mark D J. Mark D" |
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| Title: Re: Iraqi Official Testifies to Links Between Saddam and Al Qaeda |
15 Sep 2006 04:20:40 AM |
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"Fred Stone" <fstone69@earthling.com> wrote in message
news:Xns983E8C1C4FB32fstone69@66.150.105.47...
http://www.nysun.com/article/39631
WASHINGTON - A deputy prime minister of Iraq yesterday offered a sharp
contradiction of the conventional wisdom here that Saddam Hussein's Iraq
and Al Qaeda had no connection before the 2003 war, flatly contradicting
a recent report from the Senate's intelligence committee.
Gosh! A member of the puppet government of a client-state under violent
military occupation tells the story that his Washington masters want him to
tell! Who'd have imagined such a thing! What a surprise!
M.
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| User: "DiViDeD" |
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| Title: Re: Iraqi Official Testifies to Links Between Saddam and Al Qaeda |
15 Sep 2006 04:27:35 AM |
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"Mark D J." <Mark D J.@home.com> wrote in message
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"Fred Stone" <fstone69@earthling.com> wrote in message
news:Xns983E8C1C4FB32fstone69@66.150.105.47...
http://www.nysun.com/article/39631
WASHINGTON - A deputy prime minister of Iraq yesterday offered a sharp
contradiction of the conventional wisdom here that Saddam Hussein's Iraq
and Al Qaeda had no connection before the 2003 war, flatly contradicting
a recent report from the Senate's intelligence committee.
Gosh! A member of the puppet government of a client-state under violent
military occupation tells the story that his Washington masters want him
to tell! Who'd have imagined such a thing! What a surprise!
And "A" deputy Prime Minister? Do they come in six packs these days?
R
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| User: "Kate" |
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| Title: Re: Iraqi Official Testifies to Links Between Saddam and Al Qaeda |
15 Sep 2006 01:06:46 PM |
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Denis Loubet wrote:
"Fred Stone" <fstone69@earthling.com> wrote in message
news:Xns983E8C1C4FB32fstone69@66.150.105.47...
http://www.nysun.com/article/39631
WASHINGTON - A deputy prime minister of Iraq yesterday offered a sharp
contradiction of the conventional wisdom here that Saddam Hussein's Iraq
and Al Qaeda had no connection before the 2003 war, flatly contradicting
a recent report from the Senate's intelligence committee.
Who the ***** cares? Even if this is true, it's irrelevant. If we didn't know
there was a connection, then we didn't know there was a connection, and so
it doesn't change the fact that we were lied to when we were told we knew
there WAS a connection.
Whoa - slow down a bit. It takes Fred a while to parse out things to
where he can pretend he's right.
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| User: "Fred Stone" |
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| Title: Re: Iraqi Official Testifies to Links Between Saddam and Al Qaeda |
15 Sep 2006 06:21:54 PM |
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"Kate" <Kate@twoangryliberals.com> wrote in
news:1158343605.969974.257160@e3g2000cwe.googlegroups.com:
Denis Loubet wrote:
"Fred Stone" <fstone69@earthling.com> wrote in message
news:Xns983E8C1C4FB32fstone69@66.150.105.47...
http://www.nysun.com/article/39631
WASHINGTON - A deputy prime minister of Iraq yesterday offered a
sharp contradiction of the conventional wisdom here that Saddam
Hussein's Iraq and Al Qaeda had no connection before the 2003 war,
flatly contradicting a recent report from the Senate's intelligence
committee.
Who the ***** cares? Even if this is true, it's irrelevant. If we
didn't know there was a connection, then we didn't know there was a
connection, and so it doesn't change the fact that we were lied to
when we were told we knew there WAS a connection.
Whoa - slow down a bit. It takes Fred a while to parse out things to
where he can pretend he's right.
It doesn't take that long to untangle all that left-wing spin.
--
Fred Stone
aa# 1369
"When liberals’ presidential nominees consistently fail to carry Kansas,
liberals do not rush to read a book titled “What’s the Matter With
Liberals’ Nominees?'’ No, the book they turned into a best-seller is
titled “What’s the Matter With Kansas?'’ Notice a pattern here?"
--
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| User: "Andres64" |
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15 Sep 2006 04:16:49 PM |
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Kate wrote:
Denis Loubet wrote:
"Fred Stone" <fstone69@earthling.com> wrote in message
news:Xns983E8C1C4FB32fstone69@66.150.105.47...
http://www.nysun.com/article/39631
WASHINGTON - A deputy prime minister of Iraq yesterday offered a sharp
contradiction of the conventional wisdom here that Saddam Hussein's Iraq
and Al Qaeda had no connection before the 2003 war, flatly contradicting
a recent report from the Senate's intelligence committee.
Who the ***** cares? Even if this is true, it's irrelevant. If we didn't know
there was a connection, then we didn't know there was a connection, and so
it doesn't change the fact that we were lied to when we were told we knew
there WAS a connection.
Whoa - slow down a bit. It takes Fred a while to parse out things to
where he can pretend he's right.
Fred is such a joke. He grasps at straws like a drowning man. He
completely ignores every other source, including the US govt, and
believes another Iraqi with an axe to grind. This new informant is
most likely just as reliable as Curveball, but Fred eats it up rather
than admit that he and/or Shrub may have been wrong.
You know Fred, it's this kind of stuff that gives you as much
credibility with respect to politics as J Young/Duke/Boaty have when it
comes to religion.
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| User: "Fred Stone" |
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15 Sep 2006 06:25:06 PM |
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"Andres64" <andresc64@excite.com> wrote in
news:1158355009.214712.6490@h48g2000cwc.googlegroups.com:
Kate wrote:
Denis Loubet wrote:
"Fred Stone" <fstone69@earthling.com> wrote in message
news:Xns983E8C1C4FB32fstone69@66.150.105.47...
http://www.nysun.com/article/39631
WASHINGTON - A deputy prime minister of Iraq yesterday offered a
sharp contradiction of the conventional wisdom here that Saddam
Hussein's Iraq and Al Qaeda had no connection before the 2003
war, flatly contradicting a recent report from the Senate's
intelligence committee.
Who the ***** cares? Even if this is true, it's irrelevant. If we
didn't know there was a connection, then we didn't know there was a
connection, and so it doesn't change the fact that we were lied to
when we were told we knew there WAS a connection.
Whoa - slow down a bit. It takes Fred a while to parse out things to
where he can pretend he's right.
Fred is such a joke. He grasps at straws like a drowning man. He
completely ignores every other source, including the US govt, and
believes another Iraqi with an axe to grind.
You mean that *you* ignore all the other sources, except the ones that
tell you what you want to hear.
This new informant is
most likely just as reliable as Curveball, but Fred eats it up rather
than admit that he and/or Shrub may have been wrong.
Oh, I *may* have been wrong. That's a far cry from your blanket
condemnations of everything I've said for the last six years.
You know Fred, it's this kind of stuff that gives you as much
credibility with respect to politics as J Young/Duke/Boaty have when
it comes to religion.
Oooh, I'm mortified.
--
Fred Stone
aa# 1369
"When liberals’ presidential nominees consistently fail to carry Kansas,
liberals do not rush to read a book titled “What’s the Matter With
Liberals’ Nominees?'’ No, the book they turned into a best-seller is
titled “What’s the Matter With Kansas?'’ Notice a pattern here?"
--
Posted via a free Usenet account from http://www.teranews.com
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| User: "Denis Loubet" |
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16 Sep 2006 03:41:54 PM |
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"Fred Stone" <fstone69@earthling.com> wrote in message
news:Xns983FCF26F44D8fstone69@66.150.105.47...
"Andres64" <andresc64@excite.com> wrote in
news:1158355009.214712.6490@h48g2000cwc.googlegroups.com:
Kate wrote:
Denis Loubet wrote:
"Fred Stone" <fstone69@earthling.com> wrote in message
news:Xns983E8C1C4FB32fstone69@66.150.105.47...
http://www.nysun.com/article/39631
WASHINGTON - A deputy prime minister of Iraq yesterday offered a
sharp contradiction of the conventional wisdom here that Saddam
Hussein's Iraq and Al Qaeda had no connection before the 2003
war, flatly contradicting a recent report from the Senate's
intelligence committee.
Who the ***** cares? Even if this is true, it's irrelevant. If we
didn't know there was a connection, then we didn't know there was a
connection, and so it doesn't change the fact that we were lied to
when we were told we knew there WAS a connection.
Whoa - slow down a bit. It takes Fred a while to parse out things to
where he can pretend he's right.
Fred is such a joke. He grasps at straws like a drowning man. He
completely ignores every other source, including the US govt, and
believes another Iraqi with an axe to grind.
You mean that *you* ignore all the other sources, except the ones that
tell you what you want to hear.
Ah yes, the height of Fred's wit: "I know you are but what am I?"
Anything to avoid responding to the point.
This new informant is
most likely just as reliable as Curveball, but Fred eats it up rather
than admit that he and/or Shrub may have been wrong.
Oh, I *may* have been wrong. That's a far cry from your blanket
condemnations of everything I've said for the last six years.
No, it's not a blanket condemnation because your name is Fred, it's that
you've simply been wrong about everything for the past six years.
You know Fred, it's this kind of stuff that gives you as much
credibility with respect to politics as J Young/Duke/Boaty have when
it comes to religion.
Oooh, I'm mortified.
The sad part is that you're being sarcastic.
--
Denis Loubet
dloubet@io.com
http://www.io.com/~dloubet
http://www.ashenempires.com
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15 Sep 2006 06:23:10 AM |
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Denis Loubet wrote:
"Fred Stone" <fstone69@earthling.com> wrote in message
news:Xns983E8C1C4FB32fstone69@66.150.105.47...
http://www.nysun.com/article/39631
WASHINGTON - A deputy prime minister of Iraq yesterday offered a sharp
contradiction of the conventional wisdom here that Saddam Hussein's Iraq
and Al Qaeda had no connection before the 2003 war, flatly contradicting
a recent report from the Senate's intelligence committee.
Who the ***** cares? Even if this is true, it's irrelevant. If we didn't know
there was a connection, then we didn't know there was a connection, and so
it doesn't change the fact that we were lied to when we were told we knew
there WAS a connection.
I wonder what his name is - Screwball perhaps?
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| User: "Fred Liken" |
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| Title: Re: Iraqi Official Testifies to Links Between Saddam and Al Qaeda |
15 Sep 2006 05:23:11 PM |
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Fred,
Why do you think it is that the Democrats will take current intelligence
reports as undisputable fact, when they are from the same people that stated
there were WMDs in Iraq and that Iraq was trying to restart its WMD program?
Seems like shaky ground to stand on.
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| User: "Dave Fritzinger" |
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15 Sep 2006 05:53:35 PM |
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Fred Liken wrote:
Fred,
Why do you think it is that the Democrats will take current intelligence
reports as undisputable fact, when they are from the same people that stated
there were WMDs in Iraq and that Iraq was trying to restart its WMD program?
Seems like shaky ground to stand on.
Probably because if you read the actual reports, there was quite a bit
of doubt expressed. There was also the realization that their sources,
such as "Curveball", were not good at all. Finally, the current data
shows that the doubters (about Iraq having WMD or ties to al Qaeda)
were, in the end, correct.
--
Dave Fritzinger
Honolulu, HI
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