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"Truth" |
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06 Jul 2004 12:10:00 PM |
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Iraqi Prime Minister = CIA man |
Americans continue to hold Saddam - in Qatar, not in Iraq - and
Americans ran the court in which Saddam appeared. American soldiers in
plain clothes were the "civilians" in the court. American officials
censored the tapes of the hearing, lied about the judge's wish to record
the sound of the trial, and marked the videotapes "cleared by US
military"; three US officers later confiscated all the original tapes of
the trial. "The last time that happened to me," one of the reporters
involved said afterwards, "was when the Iraqi government took my tapes
in Basra during the 1991 Gulf War."
But it's not just the crude handling of the start of Saddam's show trial
- where he had, of course, no defense counsel. For if he is ever to be
given a fair trial in the future, the "muting" of the tapes last week
will have set an important precedent. For he can now be "silenced" again
- if, for example, he deviates from the script and starts telling the
court about his close association with the US rather than his
non-existent contacts with al-Qa'ida.
But America's occupation continues in many other ways. Its 146,000
soldiers are still all too much in evidence in Iraq, its tanks guarding
the walls of the US "embassy", its armor littered throughout Baghdad,
its convoys humming - and sometimes exploding - along the highways
outside the city. The "new" and "sovereign" government cannot order it
to leave. Mr. Bremer's raft of reconstruction contracts to US companies
ensures that American firms continue to cream off Iraq's money,
described quite accurately by Naomi Klein in The Nation as "multibillion
robbery". And Mr. Bremer managed to institute a set of laws that the
"new" and "sovereign" government is not permitted to change.
Iyad Allawi, the new Prime Minister, we must recall, was a CIA man, an
MI6 man and a former Baathist. Indeed, he boasted to journalists that he
had taken money from 14 intelligence agencies while he was in exile.
However "free" Mr. Allawi thinks Iraq is, he will not turn against his
American protectors - nor against the glowering figure of John
Negroponte, the new US ambassador of Honduras fame.
Ironically, the only real hope for the new government would be to do
what a majority of its people say they want: to tell the Americans to
leave. This, of course, Mr. Allawi cannot do. His "sovereign" government
needs those American troops to protect it from the people who don't want
the American troops in Iraq.
And so we boil our way on to those January 2005 elections, the lid
dangerously lifting from time to time to horrify us with little glimpses
of the future. Many Iraqis believe that there will be a new dictator, a
"democratically minded strongman" in the creepy expression of American
neo-conservative Daniel Pipes, to bring about the security that we have
failed to give them.
For after the elections, if indeed they are held, we shall
self-righteously claim we can no longer be blamed for anything that goes
wrong in Iraq. We liberated the Iraqis from Saddam, we shall say. We
gave them "democracy" - and look what a mess they made of it.
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| User: "kathryn" |
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| Title: Re: Iraqi Prime Minister = CIA man |
06 Jul 2004 02:33:38 PM |
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Iyad Allawi, the new Prime Minister, we must recall, was a CIA man, an
MI6 man and a former Baathist. Indeed, he boasted to journalists that he
Ironically enough so was Saddam originally and look how well that turned out
Kathryn
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| User: "Truth" |
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| Title: Re: Iraqi Prime Minister = CIA man |
06 Jul 2004 03:02:41 PM |
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Iyad Allawi, the new Prime Minister, we must recall, was a CIA man, an
MI6 man and a former Baathist. Indeed, he boasted to journalists that he
Ironically enough so was Saddam originally and look how well that turned out
Or how the US turned a democratic Iran into a dictatorship when it put the Shaw
in power.
Frightening is that many Americans STILL do not know that Osama was a CIA man
and that the US formed, trained and paid the Taliban to get Russia out of
Afghanistan in the 80s. Or that the Taliban were at the White House in a
meeting about the pipeline the US wanted so badly in Afghanistan. When the
meeting didn't turn out in the US favor, the US decided to create another Pearl
Harbor (their own words) so they could go over there and take over.
Then Rumsfeld said might as well use the opportunity to take Iraq too, since
Americans are too stupid to notice the change from going after Osama to suddenly
going after Saddam, the dumb citizens will never notice the difference.
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| User: "lab~rat" |
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| Title: Re: Iraqi Prime Minister = CIA man |
06 Jul 2004 03:30:20 PM |
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On Tue, 06 Jul 2004 20:02:41 GMT, Truth <yenc@sucks.com> puked:
Or how the US turned a democratic Iran into a dictatorship when it put the Shaw
Shah. You should research before typing. LOL
--
lab~rat >:-)
Do you want polite or do you want sincere?
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| User: "Truth" |
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| Title: Re: Iraqi Prime Minister = CIA man |
07 Jul 2004 10:11:34 AM |
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Or how the US turned a democratic Iran into a dictatorship when it put the Shaw
Shah. You should research before typing. LOL
That's the best you can come back with? A spelling error? Ok, now that you had
your attempt to divert attention away from the scary FACT, why not come back and
explain why the US government turned a democratic government in Iran to a
dictatorship?
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| User: "lab~rat" |
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| Title: Re: Iraqi Prime Minister = CIA man |
07 Jul 2004 01:40:59 PM |
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On Wed, 07 Jul 2004 15:11:34 GMT, Truth <yenc@sucks.com> puked:
Or how the US turned a democratic Iran into a dictatorship when it put the Shaw
Shah. You should research before typing. LOL
That's the best you can come back with? A spelling error? Ok, now that you had
your attempt to divert attention away from the scary FACT, why not come back and
explain why the US government turned a democratic government in Iran to a
dictatorship?
Come on, Iran's finest hour was when the Ayatollah was being carried
down the street in a box after he was dead and the Iranians flipped
him out and started grabbing pieces.
I wish they did that with Reagan.
--
lab~rat >:-)
Do you want polite or do you want sincere?
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| User: "Velvet" |
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| Title: Re: Iraqi Prime Minister = CIA man |
06 Jul 2004 04:20:18 PM |
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lab~rat <chase@cheese.net> wrote:
On Tue, 06 Jul 2004 20:02:41 GMT, Truth <yenc@sucks.com> puked:
Or how the US turned a democratic Iran into a dictatorship when it put
the Shaw
Shah. You should research before typing. LOL
I was about to ask if he meant George Bernard Shaw or Robert Shaw, or maybe
it was Sir Run Run Shaw?
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| User: "Truth" |
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| Title: Re: Iraqi Prime Minister = CIA man |
07 Jul 2004 10:13:13 AM |
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I was about to ask if he meant George Bernard Shaw or Robert Shaw, or maybe
it was Sir Run Run Shaw?
Ironic. I know all the facts, and make spelling errors and punctuation
mistakes on occasion, and you spend more time worrying about proper spelling
and punctuation and no nothing about the facts or world events.
Which is more important?
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| User: "lab~rat" |
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| Title: Re: Iraqi Prime Minister = CIA man |
07 Jul 2004 01:41:09 PM |
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On Wed, 07 Jul 2004 15:13:13 GMT, Truth <yenc@sucks.com> puked:
I was about to ask if he meant George Bernard Shaw or Robert Shaw, or maybe
it was Sir Run Run Shaw?
Ironic. I know all the facts, and make spelling errors and punctuation
mistakes on occasion, and you spend more time worrying about proper spelling
and punctuation and no nothing about the facts or world events.
Which is more important?
In either case, accuracy.
--
lab~rat >:-)
Do you want polite or do you want sincere?
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| User: "Velvet" |
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| Title: Re: Iraqi Prime Minister = CIA man |
07 Jul 2004 02:19:14 PM |
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lab~rat <chase@cheese.net> wrote:
On Wed, 07 Jul 2004 15:13:13 GMT, Truth <yenc@sucks.com> puked:
I know all the facts, and make spelling errors and
punctuation mistakes on occasion, and you spend more time worrying
about proper spelling and punctuation and no nothing about the facts or
world events.
Which is more important?
In either case, accuracy.
He does "no" a lot about the facts. We're the idiots!
And really, just how important is accuracy when you're a humble psychotic
posting the "truth" on the internet?
;-)
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| User: "raven1" |
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| Title: Re: Iraqi Prime Minister = CIA man |
06 Jul 2004 05:21:12 PM |
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On Tue, 06 Jul 2004 21:20:18 GMT, Velvet <none@none.com> wrote:
lab~rat <chase@cheese.net> wrote:
On Tue, 06 Jul 2004 20:02:41 GMT, Truth <yenc@sucks.com> puked:
Or how the US turned a democratic Iran into a dictatorship when it put
the Shaw
Shah. You should research before typing. LOL
I was about to ask if he meant George Bernard Shaw or Robert Shaw, or maybe
it was Sir Run Run Shaw?
Or Uriah Heep vocalist Bernie Shaw.
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| User: "Geoff" |
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| Title: Re: Iraqi Prime Minister = CIA man |
06 Jul 2004 11:21:05 PM |
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"raven1" <quoththeraven@nevermore.com> wrote in message
news:hr9me0d0q8hm2kk6omsc9rgft5di742tp8@4ax.com...
On Tue, 06 Jul 2004 21:20:18 GMT, Velvet <none@none.com> wrote:
lab~rat <chase@cheese.net> wrote:
On Tue, 06 Jul 2004 20:02:41 GMT, Truth <yenc@sucks.com> puked:
Or how the US turned a democratic Iran into a dictatorship when it put
the Shaw
Shah. You should research before typing. LOL
I was about to ask if he meant George Bernard Shaw or Robert Shaw, or
maybe
it was Sir Run Run Shaw?
Or Uriah Heep vocalist Bernie Shaw.
Late 60's Buffalo Bills quarterback Dennis Shaw? Closer to the era in
question, but not quite. And he was just as competent as Pahlavi.
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| User: "Lord Calvert" |
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| Title: Re: Iraqi Prime Minister = CIA man |
06 Jul 2004 11:38:21 PM |
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Shah. You should research before typing. LOL
I was about to ask if he meant George Bernard Shaw or Robert Shaw, or
maybe
it was Sir Run Run Shaw?
Or Uriah Heep vocalist Bernie Shaw.
Late 60's Buffalo Bills quarterback Dennis Shaw? Closer to the era in
question, but not quite. And he was just as competent as Pahlavi.
Hey! He was AFL Rookie of the Year in 1969! Of course he sucked for the rest of
his mercifully short career until he was replaced in 1973 by Joe Ferguson, who
definitely did NOT suck.
Rich Goranson, Amherst, NY, USA (aa#MCMXCIX, a-vet#1)
EAC Department of Applied Rattan Use
"Without faith we might relapse into scientific or rational thinking, which
leads by a slippery slope toward constitutional democracy." - Robert Anton
Wilson
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| User: "" |
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| Title: Re: Iraqi Prime Minister = CIA man |
06 Jul 2004 11:50:13 PM |
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On Wed, 07 Jul 2004 04:21:05 GMT, "Geoff" <gebobs@yahoo.nospam.com> wrote:
"raven1" <quoththeraven@nevermore.com> wrote in message
news:hr9me0d0q8hm2kk6omsc9rgft5di742tp8@4ax.com...
On Tue, 06 Jul 2004 21:20:18 GMT, Velvet <none@none.com> wrote:
lab~rat <chase@cheese.net> wrote:
On Tue, 06 Jul 2004 20:02:41 GMT, Truth <yenc@sucks.com> puked:
Or how the US turned a democratic Iran into a dictatorship when it put
the Shaw
Shah. You should research before typing. LOL
I was about to ask if he meant George Bernard Shaw or Robert Shaw, or
maybe
it was Sir Run Run Shaw?
Or Uriah Heep vocalist Bernie Shaw.
Late 60's Buffalo Bills quarterback Dennis Shaw? Closer to the era in
question, but not quite. And he was just as competent as Pahlavi.
Pishaw.
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