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User:	"Fred Stone"
Date:	30 Jan 2005 04:30:43 PM
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(2005-01-30) -- News reports of terrorist bombings in Iraq were marred
Sunday by shocking graphic images of Iraqi "insurgents" voting by the
millions in their first free democratic election.
Despite reporters' hopes that a well-orchestrated barrage of mortar
attacks and suicide bombings would put down the so-called 'freedom
insurgency', hastily-formed battalions of rebels swarmed polling places
to cast their ballots -- shattering the status quo and striking fear
into the hearts of the leaders of the existing terror regime.
Hopes for a return to the stability of tyranny waned as rank upon rank
of Iraqi men and women filed out of precinct stations, each armed with
the distinctive mark of the new freedom guerrillas -- an ink-stained
index finger, which one former Ba'athist called "the evidence of their
betrayal of 50 years of Iraqi tradition."
Journalists struggled to put a positive spin on the day's events, but
the video images of tyranny's traitors choosing a future of freedom
overwhelmed the official story of bloodshed and mayhem.
--
Fred Stone
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User: "DianaC"
Title: Re: Iraqi Voting Disrupts News Reports of Bombings	30 Jan 2005 07:38:49 PM

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(2005-01-30) -- News reports of terrorist bombings in Iraq were marred
Sunday by shocking graphic images of Iraqi "insurgents" voting by the
millions in their first free democratic election.

Despite reporters' hopes that a well-orchestrated barrage of mortar
attacks and suicide bombings would put down the so-called 'freedom
insurgency', hastily-formed battalions of rebels swarmed polling places
to cast their ballots -- shattering the status quo and striking fear
into the hearts of the leaders of the existing terror regime.

Hopes for a return to the stability of tyranny waned as rank upon rank
of Iraqi men and women filed out of precinct stations, each armed with
the distinctive mark of the new freedom guerrillas -- an ink-stained
index finger, which one former Ba'athist called "the evidence of their
betrayal of 50 years of Iraqi tradition."

Journalists struggled to put a positive spin on the day's events, but
the video images of tyranny's traitors choosing a future of freedom
overwhelmed the official story of bloodshed and mayhem.

heh.....
I do wish this weren't really the way the mainstream press...and half of the
US and most of Europe...felt about today.
.

User: "sAnToLiNa"
Title: Re: Iraqi Voting Disrupts News Reports of Bombings	30 Jan 2005 09:38:57 PM

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(2005-01-30) -- News reports of terrorist bombings in Iraq were marred
Sunday by shocking graphic images of Iraqi "insurgents" voting by the
millions in their first free democratic election.

Despite reporters' hopes that a well-orchestrated barrage of mortar
attacks and suicide bombings would put down the so-called 'freedom
insurgency', hastily-formed battalions of rebels swarmed polling places
to cast their ballots -- shattering the status quo and striking fear
into the hearts of the leaders of the existing terror regime.

Hopes for a return to the stability of tyranny waned as rank upon rank
of Iraqi men and women filed out of precinct stations, each armed with
the distinctive mark of the new freedom guerrillas -- an ink-stained
index finger, which one former Ba'athist called "the evidence of their
betrayal of 50 years of Iraqi tradition."

Journalists struggled to put a positive spin on the day's events, but
the video images of tyranny's traitors choosing a future of freedom
overwhelmed the official story of bloodshed and mayhem.

heh.....

I do wish this weren't really the way the mainstream press...and half of

the

US and most of Europe...felt about today.

A sampling of the top headlines some websites over the last few minutes:
"Bush Praises Historic Election" - CNN
"Iraqi Voters Defy Insurgents" - CBS
"Iraqi Voters Turn Out in High Numbers Despite Attacks Intended to Deter
Them" - New York Times
"Millions Turn Out for Historic Iraqi Vote" - Washington Post
"Historic Vote -- High Turnout in Iraq Tempered by Violence, Low Sunni
Participation" - MSNBC
"Bush Hails Election as Iraqis Vote Despite Attacks" - NPR
.

User: "DianaC"
Title: Re: Iraqi Voting Disrupts News Reports of Bombings	31 Jan 2005 01:19:15 AM

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(2005-01-30) -- News reports of terrorist bombings in Iraq were marred
Sunday by shocking graphic images of Iraqi "insurgents" voting by the
millions in their first free democratic election.

Despite reporters' hopes that a well-orchestrated barrage of mortar
attacks and suicide bombings would put down the so-called 'freedom
insurgency', hastily-formed battalions of rebels swarmed polling places
to cast their ballots -- shattering the status quo and striking fear
into the hearts of the leaders of the existing terror regime.

Hopes for a return to the stability of tyranny waned as rank upon rank
of Iraqi men and women filed out of precinct stations, each armed with
the distinctive mark of the new freedom guerrillas -- an ink-stained
index finger, which one former Ba'athist called "the evidence of their
betrayal of 50 years of Iraqi tradition."

Journalists struggled to put a positive spin on the day's events, but
the video images of tyranny's traitors choosing a future of freedom
overwhelmed the official story of bloodshed and mayhem.

heh.....

I do wish this weren't really the way the mainstream press...and half of

the

US and most of Europe...felt about today.

A sampling of the top headlines some websites over the last few minutes:

"Bush Praises Historic Election" - CNN
"Iraqi Voters Defy Insurgents" - CBS
"Iraqi Voters Turn Out in High Numbers Despite Attacks Intended to Deter
Them" - New York Times
"Millions Turn Out for Historic Iraqi Vote" - Washington Post
"Historic Vote -- High Turnout in Iraq Tempered by Violence, Low Sunni
Participation" - MSNBC
"Bush Hails Election as Iraqis Vote Despite Attacks" - NPR

Indeed. But did you read any of the STORIES?
.

User: "sAnToLiNa"
Title: Re: Iraqi Voting Disrupts News Reports of Bombings	31 Jan 2005 01:48:28 AM

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(2005-01-30) -- News reports of terrorist bombings in Iraq were

marred

Sunday by shocking graphic images of Iraqi "insurgents" voting by the
millions in their first free democratic election.

Despite reporters' hopes that a well-orchestrated barrage of mortar
attacks and suicide bombings would put down the so-called 'freedom
insurgency', hastily-formed battalions of rebels swarmed polling

places

to cast their ballots -- shattering the status quo and striking fear
into the hearts of the leaders of the existing terror regime.

Hopes for a return to the stability of tyranny waned as rank upon

rank

of Iraqi men and women filed out of precinct stations, each armed

with

the distinctive mark of the new freedom guerrillas -- an ink-stained
index finger, which one former Ba'athist called "the evidence of

their

betrayal of 50 years of Iraqi tradition."

Journalists struggled to put a positive spin on the day's events, but
the video images of tyranny's traitors choosing a future of freedom
overwhelmed the official story of bloodshed and mayhem.

heh.....

I do wish this weren't really the way the mainstream press...and half

the

US and most of Europe...felt about today.

A sampling of the top headlines some websites over the last few minutes:

"Bush Praises Historic Election" - CNN
"Iraqi Voters Defy Insurgents" - CBS
"Iraqi Voters Turn Out in High Numbers Despite Attacks Intended to Deter
Them" - New York Times
"Millions Turn Out for Historic Iraqi Vote" - Washington Post
"Historic Vote -- High Turnout in Iraq Tempered by Violence, Low Sunni
Participation" - MSNBC
"Bush Hails Election as Iraqis Vote Despite Attacks" - NPR

Indeed. But did you read any of the STORIES?

Yes. What's your point? That the orgasmic rhapsodies to
militarily-enforced "democracy" deigned to mention acts of violence? That
these stories were only in 90%, not 100%, goosestep with the
Administration's position? What?
.

User: "DianaC"
Title: Re: Iraqi Voting Disrupts News Reports of Bombings	31 Jan 2005 03:06:04 AM

"sAnToLiNa" <mystery@babylon.com> wrote in message
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<snip to>>

Actually, they were more like very grudging in any support of the election,
full of 'but"s.
(sigh)
Odd, that the Iraqi people who actually did the VOTING and took the brave
stand to actually go to the polls don't seem to be as negative.
.

User: "sAnToLiNa"
Title: Re: Iraqi Voting Disrupts News Reports of Bombings	31 Jan 2005 03:34:17 AM

DianaC <dianaiad@vernoyoudontizon.net> wrote in message
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"sAnToLiNa" <mystery@babylon.com> wrote in message
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<snip to>>

Yes. What's your point? That the orgasmic rhapsodies to
militarily-enforced "democracy" deigned to mention acts of violence?

That

these stories were only in 90%, not 100%, goosestep with the
Administration's position? What?

Actually, they were more like very grudging in any support of the

election,

full of 'but"s.

Actually, they aren't supposed to "support" anything, just report on events.
This they did to an extent, though failing to report relevant context, such
as that the most powerful military force in the history of the world is
occupying the country and actively encouraging participation, that only
polling places most likely to produce feelgood footage were opened to
reporters, that even in the best case scenario that this election is indeed
fair and "free" it only selects a body that will eventually select another
body that may or may not decide to politely ask the most powerful occupying
military force in history to leave, etc.
.

User: "DianaC"
Title: Re: Iraqi Voting Disrupts News Reports of Bombings	31 Jan 2005 03:45:38 PM

"sAnToLiNa" <mystery@babylon.com> wrote in message
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DianaC <dianaiad@vernoyoudontizon.net> wrote in message
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"sAnToLiNa" <mystery@babylon.com> wrote in message
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<snip to>>

Yes. What's your point? That the orgasmic rhapsodies to
militarily-enforced "democracy" deigned to mention acts of violence?

That

these stories were only in 90%, not 100%, goosestep with the
Administration's position? What?

Actually, they were more like very grudging in any support of the

election,

full of 'but"s.

Actually, they aren't supposed to "support" anything, just report on
events.
This they did to an extent, though failing to report relevant context,
such
as that the most powerful military force in the history of the world is
occupying the country and actively encouraging participation, that only
polling places most likely to produce feelgood footage were opened to
reporters, that even in the best case scenario that this election is
indeed
fair and "free" it only selects a body that will eventually select another
body that may or may not decide to politely ask the most powerful
occupying
military force in history to leave, etc.

Like I said, full of 'but's'. Now. Just HOW long did it take the USA to get
the constitution finalized and working?
This is a fine first step. THIS group will work on the constitution of Iraq
and the way things work. I wish people like you would make up their minds;
do you want Iraq to rule itself, or do you want us to rule her? Do you WANT
us to leave her and let the terrorists take over (because they would).
If you want Iraq to rule herself, she has to form her OWN constitution and
government. That takes time, argument, work and hassle. At that, it's not
going to take as long as WE did with ours. And yes, once done they may ask
us to leave, or they may not. However, once done, if they do ask, we will
go.
The terrorists won't.
.

User: "sAnToLiNa"
Title: Re: Iraqi Voting Disrupts News Reports of Bombings	01 Feb 2005 03:01:17 AM

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"sAnToLiNa" <mystery@babylon.com> wrote in message
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<snip to>>

Yes. What's your point? That the orgasmic rhapsodies to
militarily-enforced "democracy" deigned to mention acts of violence?

That

these stories were only in 90%, not 100%, goosestep with the
Administration's position? What?

Actually, they were more like very grudging in any support of the

election,

full of 'but"s.

Actually, they aren't supposed to "support" anything, just report on
events.
This they did to an extent, though failing to report relevant context,
such
as that the most powerful military force in the history of the world is
occupying the country and actively encouraging participation, that only
polling places most likely to produce feelgood footage were opened to
reporters, that even in the best case scenario that this election is
indeed
fair and "free" it only selects a body that will eventually select

another

body that may or may not decide to politely ask the most powerful
occupying
military force in history to leave, etc.

Like I said, full of 'but's'. Now. Just HOW long did it take the USA to

get

the constitution finalized and working?

You mean, after the insurgency finally was rid of the occupying military
force? About five years.

This is a fine first step. THIS group will work on the constitution of

Iraq

and the way things work. I wish people like you would make up their minds;
do you want Iraq to rule itself, or do you want us to rule her?

Um, how did you reach THIS stupid conclusion?

Do you WANT
us to leave her and let the terrorists take over (because they would).

The terrorists already are in power. They've murdered approximately 100,000
people since the invasion and have the most powerful military force in
history backing them up. Or did you mean something else?

If you want Iraq to rule herself, she has to form her OWN constitution and
government.

Agreed. Oh, one other thing: the foreign military occupying force can't be
there.

That takes time, argument, work and hassle.

Why don't you write copy for CNN? Or the White House? Because you
formulate the horseshit cliches with the best of them.

At that, it's not
going to take as long as WE did with ours. And yes, once done they may ask
us to leave, or they may not. However, once done, if they do ask, we will
go.

Or not.

The terrorists won't.

Why don't you write copy for CNN? Or the White House? Because you
formulate the horseshit cliches with the best of them.
.

User: "DianaC"
Title: Re: Iraqi Voting Disrupts News Reports of Bombings	01 Feb 2005 05:33:48 PM

"sAnToLiNa" <mystery@babylon.com> wrote in message
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<snip to>

You mean, after the insurgency finally was rid of the occupying military
force? About five years.

Nice try. But the IRAQI 'insurgency' wouldn't go for democracy. If they get
power back, there will be no hope that Iraqis will ever have a say in their
own governance, and children will be back in prison, and women will be raped
as official punishment for their husbands, and mass graves will be dug
again...and Saddam will be back in power, bribing the French and the Germans
to keep them looking away from the atrocities.
Get a grip.

This is a fine first step. THIS group will work on the constitution of

Iraq

and the way things work. I wish people like you would make up their
minds;
do you want Iraq to rule itself, or do you want us to rule her?

Um, how did you reach THIS stupid conclusion?

That wasn't a conclusion. That was a question. Do you want Iraq to rule
herself, or do you want us to stay there and rule her? Because there is no
other option, except perhaps to leave her wide open for Syria to invade, or
Iran. Now, THERE'S an intelligent decision....

Do you WANT
us to leave her and let the terrorists take over (because they would).

The terrorists already are in power. They've murdered approximately
100,000
people since the invasion and have the most powerful military force in
history backing them up. Or did you mean something else?

The people of Iraq went to the polls last weekend in spite of the
terrorists. Terrorists have power only as long as those they terrorize do
what they want...but the Iraqis voted. Now they will form a constitution.
Then they will have a general election. The terrorists lost last
weekend...and the terrorists only have the power to take life, not control
it.

If you want Iraq to rule herself, she has to form her OWN constitution
and
government.

Agreed. Oh, one other thing: the foreign military occupying force can't
be
there.

Except for one small thing: terrorists CAN take life. And do; a great deal
of killing. So while the Iraqi people are concentrating on forming a
government, those that got rid of their LAST one owe it to them to keep them
from being killed while they do it.

That takes time, argument, work and hassle.

Why don't you write copy for CNN? Or the White House? Because you
formulate the horseshit cliches with the best of them.

A cliche' is a truth that is couched in familiar language. Truth doesn't
become untrue because it is repeated.

At that, it's not
going to take as long as WE did with ours. And yes, once done they may
ask
us to leave, or they may not. However, once done, if they do ask, we will
go.

Or not.

You do realize that we are the first nation in the written history of
mankind to turn a conquered nation over to it's people without being forced
to do so, yes? Indeed, at the moment, we're still the only one that ever
has, as far as I can remember, and we've made a habit of it for close to a
hundred years.

The terrorists won't.

Why don't you write copy for CNN? Or the White House? Because you
formulate the horseshit cliches with the best of them.

And that's the only response you have to these things, calling them
'horseshit'? Well, if you can't refute them with logic, and have to resort
to ad hominems....I guess you are admitting that I'm right. You just don't
like it.
.

User: "sAnToLiNa"
Title: Re: Iraqi Voting Disrupts News Reports of Bombings	02 Feb 2005 03:59:16 AM

DianaC <dianaiad@vernoyoudontizon.net> wrote in message
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"sAnToLiNa" <mystery@babylon.com> wrote in message
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<snip to>

You mean, after the insurgency finally was rid of the occupying military
force? About five years.

Nice try. But the IRAQI 'insurgency' wouldn't go for democracy.

Who cares. The most powerful force for violence in history sure as hell
won't go for democracy, and they are the ones running the show right now.

If they get
power back,

How in the hell would they get power back without America and other nations
keeping them there, as was the case right through the first Gulf War?

there will be no hope that Iraqis will ever have a say in their
own governance,

As opposed to now, with the most powerful military force in history
occupying the country, having already killed 100,000+ and having installed a
known murderer as "interim" leader.

and children will be back in prison, and women will be raped
as official punishment for their husbands, and mass graves will be dug
again

That won't happen unless (A) the power brokers who have just been elected
allow it to happen, which is conceivable, or (B) the United States and other
powerful countries facilitate it, as they did with Saddam when he was
perceived to be useful, and that is also conceivable.

...and Saddam will be back in power, bribing the French and the Germans
to keep them looking away from the atrocities.

Funny, Saddam never had to bribe the U.S., they gave him millions with no
strings attached, so long as he was not-Iran.

Get a grip.

Indeed.

This is a fine first step. THIS group will work on the constitution of

Iraq

and the way things work. I wish people like you would make up their
minds;
do you want Iraq to rule itself, or do you want us to rule her?

Um, how did you reach THIS stupid conclusion?

That wasn't a conclusion. That was a question.

No, it was an idiotic conclusion by you, that I can't make up my mind about
your dishonest question.
(snip more of your dishonest formulations)

The terrorists already are in power. They've murdered approximately
100,000
people since the invasion and have the most powerful military force in
history backing them up. Or did you mean something else?

CNN and the White House beckon. You've got a job at either, really.
(snip continual resort to cliche and obfuscation)
.

User: "Fred Stone"
Title: Re: Iraqi Voting Disrupts News Reports of Bombings	02 Feb 2005 01:43:52 PM

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<snip to>

You mean, after the insurgency finally was rid of the occupying
military force? About five years.

Nice try. But the IRAQI 'insurgency' wouldn't go for democracy.

Who cares. The most powerful force for violence in history sure as
hell won't go for democracy, and they are the ones running the show
right now.

You seem to forget that to be effective, the police have to have a
higher potential for violence than the crooks.
--
Fred Stone
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Where am I to go, now that I've gone too far?
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User: "Al Klein"
Title: Re: Iraqi Voting Disrupts News Reports of Bombings	01 Feb 2005 02:36:33 AM

On Mon, 31 Jan 2005 15:45:38 GMT, "DianaC"
<dianaiad@vernoyoudontizon.net> said in alt.atheism:

This is a fine first step. THIS group will work on the constitution of Iraq
and the way things work. I wish people like you would make up their minds;
do you want Iraq to rule itself, or do you want us to rule her? Do you WANT
us to leave her and let the terrorists take over (because they would).

Are you saying that we have to remain there forever? Or at least
until there are no more terrorists (which is about the same length of
time)? Because, constitution or no constitution, the stronger side
WILL take over Iraq.
--
"A man's ethical behavior should be based effectually on sympathy, education and social
ties and needs; no religious basis is necessary. Man would indeed be in a poor way if he
had to be restrained by fear of punishment and hope of reward after death."
-Albert Einstein
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User: "DianaC"
Title: Re: Iraqi Voting Disrupts News Reports of Bombings	01 Feb 2005 04:54:34 PM

"Al Klein" <rukbat@pern.invalid> wrote in message
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On Mon, 31 Jan 2005 15:45:38 GMT, "DianaC"
<dianaiad@vernoyoudontizon.net> said in alt.atheism:

This is a fine first step. THIS group will work on the constitution of
Iraq
and the way things work. I wish people like you would make up their minds;
do you want Iraq to rule itself, or do you want us to rule her? Do you
WANT
us to leave her and let the terrorists take over (because they would).

(looking frantically around) Where did you see any hint of that? No, we will
not have to remain there forever. In fact, we'll get out of there a whole
lot SOONER if we protect the vast majority of Iraqis who are working so hard
to get their government together, and to a place where it can ask us to
leave. Nobody would be happier to see THAT day than the troops, or me. But I
think we saw who the 'stronger side' is over the weekend. A larger
percentage of Iraqis got out to vote than Americans did in November, and our
November turn out was larger than it's been in twenty years---and WE weren't
being threatened by suicide bombers and cars exploding. These people have
been under the thumb of a man who would kill and rape them at the drop of a
whim, and they've gone through an horrific transition, and....look what they
did over the weekend.
The strongest side? Oh, yes. These people are strong. They will win.
But the terrorists will still try to kill them. .
.

User: "Al Klein"
Title: Re: Iraqi Voting Disrupts News Reports of Bombings	01 Feb 2005 08:27:32 PM

On Tue, 01 Feb 2005 16:54:34 GMT, "DianaC"
<dianaiad@vernoyoudontizon.net> said in alt.atheism:

"Al Klein" <rukbat@pern.invalid> wrote in message
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On Mon, 31 Jan 2005 15:45:38 GMT, "DianaC"
<dianaiad@vernoyoudontizon.net> said in alt.atheism:

This is a fine first step. THIS group will work on the constitution of
Iraq
and the way things work. I wish people like you would make up their minds;
do you want Iraq to rule itself, or do you want us to rule her? Do you
WANT
us to leave her and let the terrorists take over (because they would).

(looking frantically around) Where did you see any hint of that?

Of? "we have to remain there forever"? Or of "the stronger side WILL
take over Iraq"?

No, we will
not have to remain there forever. In fact, we'll get out of there a whole
lot SOONER if we protect the vast majority of Iraqis who are working so hard
to get their government together

Protect them against what? The Sunnis?

But I think we saw who the 'stronger side' is over the weekend. A larger
percentage of Iraqis got out to vote than Americans did in November

And almost all Shias, except in the south. Not many Sunnis. Now
THERE'S a formula for democracy - give the majority free reign to
eliminate the minority.

The strongest side? Oh, yes. These people are strong. They will win.

Yes, the Shia will win, and we'll be very lucky if we don't see
another Rwanda.

But the terrorists will still try to kill them. .

Not if the terrorists go back home to the US.
--
"We should do unto others as we would want them to do unto us. If I were an unborn
fetus I would want others to use force to protect me, therefore using force against
abortionists is *justifiable homocide*."
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User: "DianaC"
Title: Re: Iraqi Voting Disrupts News Reports of Bombings	01 Feb 2005 11:25:33 PM

"Al Klein" <rukbat@pern.invalid> wrote in message
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On Tue, 01 Feb 2005 16:54:34 GMT, "DianaC"
<dianaiad@vernoyoudontizon.net> said in alt.atheism:

"Al Klein" <rukbat@pern.invalid> wrote in message
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On Mon, 31 Jan 2005 15:45:38 GMT, "DianaC"
<dianaiad@vernoyoudontizon.net> said in alt.atheism:

This is a fine first step. THIS group will work on the constitution of
Iraq
and the way things work. I wish people like you would make up their
minds;
do you want Iraq to rule itself, or do you want us to rule her? Do you
WANT
us to leave her and let the terrorists take over (because they would).

(looking frantically around) Where did you see any hint of that?

Of? "we have to remain there forever"? Or of "the stronger side WILL
take over Iraq"?

No, we will
not have to remain there forever. In fact, we'll get out of there a whole
lot SOONER if we protect the vast majority of Iraqis who are working so
hard
to get their government together

Protect them against what? The Sunnis?

But I think we saw who the 'stronger side' is over the weekend. A larger
percentage of Iraqis got out to vote than Americans did in November

And almost all Shias, except in the south. Not many Sunnis. Now
THERE'S a formula for democracy - give the majority free reign to
eliminate the minority.

The strongest side? Oh, yes. These people are strong. They will win.

Yes, the Shia will win, and we'll be very lucky if we don't see
another Rwanda.

But the terrorists will still try to kill them. .

Not if the terrorists go back home to the US.

So. You are of the opinion that this election was a bad thing, that WE are
the terrorists (funny, I didn't see any Americans hijacking jetliners to fly
into, oh, Mecca...and I sure as shootin' don't see any US soldiers strapping
bombs to themselves and blowing up pizza parlors and supermarkets, but
shoot, I must be missing something) and that Iraq will be all roses and
fudge if we just up and leave? Or perhaps that Saddam would have just
decided that he was being naughty by imprisoning, raping and/or killing his
own people by the thousands, and that perhaps he should just stop that, and
by the way, stop bribing the UN to look the other way while he was at it?
How ironic it is that this America that you hate so much has made it
possible for you to spout such idiocy; had you been Iraqi, and had said
similar things about THAT leadership, we wouldn't be having the pleasure of
your rhetoric. We might not even know which set of bones in which mass grave
belonged to you.
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User: "sAnToLiNa"
Title: Re: Iraqi Voting Disrupts News Reports of Bombings	02 Feb 2005 04:03:02 AM

DianaC <dianaiad@vernoyoudontizon.net> wrote in message
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So. You are of the opinion that this election was a bad thing,

You are a nauseating, dishonest piece of *****.
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User: "DianaC"
Title: Re: Iraqi Voting Disrupts News Reports of Bombings	02 Feb 2005 06:59:30 AM

"sAnToLiNa" <mystery@babylon.com> wrote in message
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DianaC <dianaiad@vernoyoudontizon.net> wrote in message
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So. You are of the opinion that this election was a bad thing,

You are a nauseating, dishonest piece of *****.

Ah.
Y'know, I always know when I've hit a REAL 'home run' when the idiot I'm
talking to can't do anything but sputter and use ad hominems.
I win.
But then, I almost feel guilty about this one; to raise yet one more
cliche', it's not hard to win a battle of wits with an unarmed man.
By the way,
plonk.
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User: "sAnToLiNa"
Title: Re: Iraqi Voting Disrupts News Reports of Bombings	03 Feb 2005 02:57:19 AM

DianaC <dianaiad@vernoyoudontizon.net> wrote in message
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"sAnToLiNa" <mystery@babylon.com> wrote in message
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DianaC <dianaiad@vernoyoudontizon.net> wrote in message
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So. You are of the opinion that this election was a bad thing,

You are a nauseating, dishonest piece of *****.

Ah.

Y'know, I always know when I've hit a REAL 'home run'

*****, strawman-erecting liar.

By the way,

plonk.

And coward as well. Pathetic.
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User: "Jez"
Title: Re: Iraqi Voting Disrupts News Reports of Bombings	04 Feb 2005 05:21:41 PM

DianaC wrote: