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"Patriotboy is Fair and Balanced" |
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17 Oct 2003 01:06:46 PM |
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Irony lives at 1600 Pennsylvania Avenue |
"Bush told his senior aides Tuesday that he 'didn't want to see any
stories' quoting unnamed administration officials in the media
anymore, and that if he did, there would be consequences, said a
senior administration official who asked that his name not be used."
http://tinyurl.com/rbjd
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"The highest patriotism is not a blind acceptance
of official policy, but a love of one's country
deep enough to call her to a higher standard."
--George McGovern
Tim
"Fair and Balanced"
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| User: "The other Donald" |
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| Title: Re: Irony lives at 1600 Pennsylvania Avenue |
17 Oct 2003 02:04:18 PM |
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"Patriotboy is Fair and Balanced" <tim@somecallme.net> wrote in message
news:Xns9417718777E4Ctimsomecallme@216.168.3.44...
"Bush told his senior aides Tuesday that he 'didn't want to see any
stories' quoting unnamed administration officials in the media
anymore, and that if he did, there would be consequences, said a
senior administration official who asked that his name not be used."
<blinks in disbelief...>
This ain't a joke story, is it?
"On Monday, reacting to reports of internal conflict among his top advisers,
the President told one regional broadcaster: 'The person who's in charge is
me.'
"Bush's attempt to assert himself extends beyond the executive branch. Late
Tuesday, in a brief, brusque arm-twisting session with nine senators, the
President made it clear that he was not there to answer questions or debate
the merits of his $87 billion Iraq and Afghanistan aid package. He demanded
that the aid to Iraq be in the form of grants, not loans, as some of the
senators have urged."
"Give me $87b or I'll tell my daddy!!"
Monkey boy is in for a rude awakening.
-Donald in Austin
AA #2104
Atheist FF/EMT
http://tinyurl.com/rbjd
--
"The highest patriotism is not a blind acceptance
of official policy, but a love of one's country
deep enough to call her to a higher standard."
--George McGovern
Tim
"Fair and Balanced"
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| User: "Patriotboy is Fair and Balanced" |
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| Title: Re: Irony lives at 1600 Pennsylvania Avenue |
17 Oct 2003 02:49:05 PM |
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On 17 Oct 2003, "The other Donald"
<the_donald_13@gofuckyourself.yehaw.com> posted this:
"Patriotboy is Fair and Balanced" <tim@somecallme.net> wrote in
message news:Xns9417718777E4Ctimsomecallme@216.168.3.44...
"Bush told his senior aides Tuesday that he 'didn't want to see
any stories' quoting unnamed administration officials in the
media anymore, and that if he did, there would be consequences,
said a senior administration official who asked that his name
not be used."
<blinks in disbelief...>
This ain't a joke story, is it?
No, it isn't. It's from a story by a highly respected reporter,
Joseph Galloway ("We were Soldiers Once...and Young"), in the
Philiadelphia Inquirer. http://tinyurl.com/rbjd
--
"The dominant purpose of the First Amendment was to prohibit the
widespread practice of government suppression of embarrassing
information."
--Justice William O. Douglas
Tim
"Fair and Balanced"
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| User: "Bill Bonde the oblique allusion in lieu of the frontal attack" |
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17 Oct 2003 02:21:28 PM |
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The other Donald wrote:
"Patriotboy is Fair and Balanced" <tim@somecallme.net> wrote in message
news:Xns9417718777E4Ctimsomecallme@216.168.3.44...
"Bush told his senior aides Tuesday that he 'didn't want to see any
stories' quoting unnamed administration officials in the media
anymore, and that if he did, there would be consequences, said a
senior administration official who asked that his name not be used."
<blinks in disbelief...>
This ain't a joke story, is it?
"On Monday, reacting to reports of internal conflict among his top advisers,
the President told one regional broadcaster: 'The person who's in charge is
me.'
"Bush's attempt to assert himself extends beyond the executive branch. Late
Tuesday, in a brief, brusque arm-twisting session with nine senators, the
President made it clear that he was not there to answer questions or debate
the merits of his $87 billion Iraq and Afghanistan aid package. He demanded
that the aid to Iraq be in the form of grants, not loans, as some of the
senators have urged."
"Give me $87b or I'll tell my daddy!!"
Monkey boy is in for a rude awakening.
You people are seriously disturbed. If we put all sorts of strings on
and demand repayment of the 87 billion dollars to Iraq, we will ruin the
efforts to show that we are doing this because we care about the Iraqi
people and want them to have better lives. Also, they can't possibly
repay it and will therefore be in debt bondage right from the start
making the new government much less stable.
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| User: "The other Donald" |
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17 Oct 2003 03:58:55 PM |
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"Bill Bonde ( the oblique allusion in lieu of the frontal attack )"
<stderr2@backpacker.com> wrote in message
news:3F904138.B8FD113E@backpacker.com...
The other Donald wrote:
"Patriotboy is Fair and Balanced" <tim@somecallme.net> wrote in message
news:Xns9417718777E4Ctimsomecallme@216.168.3.44...
"Bush told his senior aides Tuesday that he 'didn't want to see any
stories' quoting unnamed administration officials in the media
anymore, and that if he did, there would be consequences, said a
senior administration official who asked that his name not be used."
<blinks in disbelief...>
This ain't a joke story, is it?
"On Monday, reacting to reports of internal conflict among his top
advisers,
the President told one regional broadcaster: 'The person who's in charge
is
me.'
"Bush's attempt to assert himself extends beyond the executive branch.
Late
Tuesday, in a brief, brusque arm-twisting session with nine senators,
the
President made it clear that he was not there to answer questions or
debate
the merits of his $87 billion Iraq and Afghanistan aid package. He
demanded
that the aid to Iraq be in the form of grants, not loans, as some of the
senators have urged."
"Give me $87b or I'll tell my daddy!!"
Monkey boy is in for a rude awakening.
You people are seriously disturbed.
I know. Thanks for noticing. It's pride in a job well done that is missing
from our youth these days.
If we put all sorts of strings on
and demand repayment of the 87 billion dollars to Iraq,
You just showed your ignorance and illiteracy in your non-sequitur rant.
First: "We've" never stated agreement or disagreement with "loan" vs
"grant." Patriotboy, the original poster, found humor in the "unnamed
sources stating Bush's anger and threats directed at unnamed sources being
quoted in the paper." I'm sorry that you were too far to the right to see
the irony.
I found it revolting that it wasn't enough that Bush has fucked up the
Executive Branch of the government, now he's DEMANDING the Legislative
Branch to do his bidding. For those of you that are wallowing too deep in
Bush 2's crotch while you're blowing him, these are the very reasons for a
Separation of Powers. I guess you missed that one in your government class.
What's next? Will he send a directive to the Supreme Court and DEMAND a
court decision on a pending case?
we will ruin the
efforts to show that we are doing this because we care about the Iraqi
people and want them to have better lives.
Spare me the sanctimonious *****. DUH-bya couldn't give a ***** less about
the people of Iraq. It was WMD's, remember? (feigned indignance with
high-school girl 'accent' : "OH! that is SO last week...!")
Also, they can't possibly
repay it
The ***** "they" can't. Three letters for you: O-I-L.
Shrub went for the oil, and don't delude yourself into believing anything
else. Now that American oil companies are managing "the Iraqi peoples oil
for them" I would bet that paying back this $87 billion would put a serious
crimp in Haliburton's profit margin.
If they played their cards right, Haliburton could hire Bush's old buddies
Lay, Skilling and Fastow to see to it that all of the "repayment" money was
somehow used to offset expenses against some ***** dummy corporation.
and will therefore be in debt bondage right from the start
making the new government much less stable.
I guess you're right. It's the least we can do for illegally attacking a
sovereign nation and blowing their ***** up.
-Donald in Austin
AA #2104
Atheist FF/EMT
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| User: "Al Klein" |
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| Title: Re: Irony lives at 1600 Pennsylvania Avenue |
17 Oct 2003 09:32:30 PM |
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On Fri, 17 Oct 2003 20:58:55 GMT, "The other Donald"
<the_donald_13@gofuckyourself.yehaw.com> posted in alt.atheism:
What's next? Will he send a directive to the Supreme Court and DEMAND a
court decision on a pending case?
Daddy beat him to that in 2000.
--
"Creationists are the best evidence we have that there is no intelligent design."
-Josef Balluch
(random sig, produced by SigChanger)
rukbat at optonline dot net
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| User: "Bill Bonde the oblique allusion in lieu of the frontal attack" |
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17 Oct 2003 04:55:38 PM |
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The other Donald wrote:
"Bill Bonde ( the oblique allusion in lieu of the frontal attack )"
<stderr2@backpacker.com> wrote in message
news:3F904138.B8FD113E@backpacker.com...
The other Donald wrote:
"Patriotboy is Fair and Balanced" <tim@somecallme.net> wrote in message
news:Xns9417718777E4Ctimsomecallme@216.168.3.44...
"Bush told his senior aides Tuesday that he 'didn't want to see any
stories' quoting unnamed administration officials in the media
anymore, and that if he did, there would be consequences, said a
senior administration official who asked that his name not be used."
<blinks in disbelief...>
This ain't a joke story, is it?
"On Monday, reacting to reports of internal conflict among his top
advisers,
the President told one regional broadcaster: 'The person who's in charge
is
me.'
"Bush's attempt to assert himself extends beyond the executive branch.
Late
Tuesday, in a brief, brusque arm-twisting session with nine senators,
the
President made it clear that he was not there to answer questions or
debate
the merits of his $87 billion Iraq and Afghanistan aid package. He
demanded
that the aid to Iraq be in the form of grants, not loans, as some of the
senators have urged."
"Give me $87b or I'll tell my daddy!!"
Monkey boy is in for a rude awakening.
You people are seriously disturbed.
I know. Thanks for noticing. It's pride in a job well done that is missing
from our youth these days.
If we put all sorts of strings on
and demand repayment of the 87 billion dollars to Iraq,
You just showed your ignorance and illiteracy in your non-sequitur rant.
First: "We've" never stated agreement or disagreement with "loan" vs
"grant."
I was responding to this:
#begin quote
"Give me $87b or I'll tell my daddy!!"
Monkey boy is in for a rude awakening.
#end quote
You can tell that because my response came right after that quoted text.
Patriotboy, the original poster, found humor in the "unnamed
sources stating Bush's anger and threats directed at unnamed sources being
quoted in the paper." I'm sorry that you were too far to the right to see
the irony.
I found it revolting that it wasn't enough that Bush has fucked up the
Executive Branch of the government, now he's DEMANDING the Legislative
Branch to do his bidding. For those of you that are wallowing too deep in
Bush 2's crotch while you're blowing him, these are the very reasons for a
Separation of Powers. I guess you missed that one in your government class.
Bush is leading and that is what he is supposed to do.
What's next? Will he send a directive to the Supreme Court and DEMAND a
court decision on a pending case?
we will ruin the
efforts to show that we are doing this because we care about the Iraqi
people and want them to have better lives.
Spare me the sanctimonious *****. DUH-bya couldn't give a ***** less about
the people of Iraq. It was WMD's, remember? (feigned indignance with
high-school girl 'accent' : "OH! that is SO last week...!")
No, it was the total weight of reasons for dealing with Iraq, not any
one thing.
Also, they can't possibly
repay it
The ***** "they" can't. Three letters for you: O-I-L.
They don't have the infrastructure and demanding the money back will
prevent them from getting started on the right foot.
Shrub went for the oil, and don't delude yourself into believing anything
else.
Yet he wants to have the 87 billion dollars as aid and not a loan.
Now that American oil companies are managing "the Iraqi peoples oil
for them" I would bet that paying back this $87 billion would put a serious
crimp in Haliburton's profit margin.
If they played their cards right, Haliburton could hire Bush's old buddies
Lay, Skilling and Fastow to see to it that all of the "repayment" money was
somehow used to offset expenses against some ***** dummy corporation.
and will therefore be in debt bondage right from the start
making the new government much less stable.
I guess you're right. It's the least we can do for illegally attacking a
sovereign nation and blowing their ***** up.
Did Clinton illegally attack the Balkans?
--
http://english.unitecnology.ac.nz/resources/resources/exp_lang/phrases.html
#begin quote
There is also a tense called the timeless present or habitual present.
She writes about penguins.
The frog has a moist skin.
Polar bears live in the Arctic.
He works for the government.
She reads the Woman's Weekly.
Compare:
She reads the Woman's Weekly (regularly). This sentence is in the
habitual present tense.
#pause quote
Notice how the sentence they use as an example is terribly close to the
one I repeatedly gave you and you didn't understand correctly: "I don't
read the New York Times."
#restart quote
She is reading the Woman's Weekly (right now). This sentence is in the
present tense, progressive aspect, to be explained below.
The habitual present is common when the language is conveying
information, such as in reports, descriptions, and expositions. It is a
verb form often encountered in school reading and writing.
In everyday speech, the habitual or timeless present is often used to
refer to an action planned for the future.
#end quote
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| User: "The other Donald" |
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17 Oct 2003 07:03:15 PM |
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"Bill Bonde ( the oblique allusion in lieu of the frontal attack )"
<stderr2@backpacker.com> wrote in message
news:3F90655A.DE3D1574@backpacker.com...
The other Donald wrote:
"Bill Bonde ( the oblique allusion in lieu of the frontal attack )"
<stderr2@backpacker.com> wrote in message
news:3F904138.B8FD113E@backpacker.com...
The other Donald wrote:
"Patriotboy is Fair and Balanced" <tim@somecallme.net> wrote in
message
news:Xns9417718777E4Ctimsomecallme@216.168.3.44...
"Bush told his senior aides Tuesday that he 'didn't want to see
any
stories' quoting unnamed administration officials in the media
anymore, and that if he did, there would be consequences, said a
senior administration official who asked that his name not be
used."
<blinks in disbelief...>
This ain't a joke story, is it?
"On Monday, reacting to reports of internal conflict among his top
advisers,
the President told one regional broadcaster: 'The person who's in
charge
is
me.'
"Bush's attempt to assert himself extends beyond the executive
branch.
Late
Tuesday, in a brief, brusque arm-twisting session with nine
senators,
the
President made it clear that he was not there to answer questions or
debate
the merits of his $87 billion Iraq and Afghanistan aid package. He
demanded
that the aid to Iraq be in the form of grants, not loans, as some of
the
senators have urged."
"Give me $87b or I'll tell my daddy!!"
Monkey boy is in for a rude awakening.
You people are seriously disturbed.
I know. Thanks for noticing. It's pride in a job well done that is
missing
from our youth these days.
If we put all sorts of strings on
and demand repayment of the 87 billion dollars to Iraq,
You just showed your ignorance and illiteracy in your non-sequitur rant.
First: "We've" never stated agreement or disagreement with "loan" vs
"grant."
I was responding to this:
#begin quote
"Give me $87b or I'll tell my daddy!!"
Monkey boy is in for a rude awakening.
#end quote
You can tell that because my response came right after that quoted text.
And yet you still missed the point.
He DEMANDED $87 billion dollars. It is the job of Congress to allocate funds
and write law, and the President can take his non-negotiable demands for
money and shove them right up his *****.
THAT is my point.
I'm not indicating a "yes" or a "no" with regard to funding Iraq. My
comments were directed at Shrub's attempt to 'overstep' the separation of
powers. Or do you have the fucked up idea that the US has become some sort
of bastardized monarchy?
Patriotboy, the original poster, found humor in the "unnamed
sources stating Bush's anger and threats directed at unnamed sources
being
quoted in the paper." I'm sorry that you were too far to the right to
see
the irony.
I found it revolting that it wasn't enough that Bush has fucked up the
Executive Branch of the government, now he's DEMANDING the Legislative
Branch to do his bidding. For those of you that are wallowing too deep
in
Bush 2's crotch while you're blowing him, these are the very reasons for
a
Separation of Powers. I guess you missed that one in your government
class.
Bush is leading and that is what he is supposed to do.
Bush couldn't lead a circle jerk.
I've wiped my ***** with more important documents than his Harvard/Yale
degree. He is the Forest Gump of Presidents, riding on his daddy's name.
What's next? Will he send a directive to the Supreme Court and DEMAND a
court decision on a pending case?
we will ruin the
efforts to show that we are doing this because we care about the Iraqi
people and want them to have better lives.
Spare me the sanctimonious *****. DUH-bya couldn't give a ***** less
about
the people of Iraq. It was WMD's, remember? (feigned indignance with
high-school girl 'accent' : "OH! that is SO last week...!")
No, it was the total weight of reasons for dealing with Iraq, not any
one thing.
None of which have amounted to a hill of beans. These "reasons" have
fluctuated constantly, been debunked or shown as outright lies, and
ultimately the old fall-back position is the whine of an oil rig....er,
sorry, "liberation of the Iraqi people." It's more like liberate their oil
that has been trapped under their country.
Also, they can't possibly
repay it
The ***** "they" can't. Three letters for you: O-I-L.
They don't have the infrastructure....
No *****? What do you think $87 billion dollars will buy? It damn sure ain't
for student loans.
and demanding the money back will
prevent them from getting started on the right foot.
Let them start out in debt like every good American citizen. When the oil
flows through $87 billion worth of infrastructure, then they can pay off the
tab.
Shrub went for the oil, and don't delude yourself into believing
anything
else.
Yet he wants to have the 87 billion dollars as aid and not a loan.
You're catching on. $87 billion dollars of American taxpayer money that
never has to be repaid, for large American corporations to go fix what Bush
ordered destroyed.
Nice little racket....
Don't believe for a moment that Bush's motives are benevolent. It is not
aid. If it really was AID, every Democrat would be on it like stink on *****.
At least that is the rhetoric that is espoused by the faithful on the
"right."
Now that American oil companies are managing "the Iraqi peoples oil
for them" I would bet that paying back this $87 billion would put a
serious
crimp in Haliburton's profit margin.
If they played their cards right, Haliburton could hire Bush's old
buddies
Lay, Skilling and Fastow to see to it that all of the "repayment" money
was
somehow used to offset expenses against some ***** dummy corporation.
and will therefore be in debt bondage right from the start
making the new government much less stable.
I guess you're right. It's the least we can do for illegally attacking a
sovereign nation and blowing their ***** up.
Did Clinton illegally attack the Balkans?
Ding-ding-ding. We have a winner! It only took two posts before you showed
your true colors and tried to divert the discussion from Bush's perpetual
clusterfuck to the Clinton Presidency. What the ***** does Clinton have to do
with this? Answer -nothing. Not a fucking thing.
Now your simpleton mind has shown itself. Clinton WAS NOT part of the
discussion, but you apologist Bush-bitches keep bringing his name into it as
soon as your impotent argument is shown to have NO MERIT.
I call Bush for the moron and *****-up that he is. Your only defense is to
whine about Clinton.
-Donald in Austin
AA #2104
Atheist FF/EMT
P.S. What the ***** is this ***** (below). Some sort of sig? Because it
has NOTHING to do with the discussion, and not worth my time to sort out or
decipher.
--
http://english.unitecnology.ac.nz/resources/resources/exp_lang/phrases.html
#begin quote
There is also a tense called the timeless present or habitual present.
She writes about penguins.
The frog has a moist skin.
Polar bears live in the Arctic.
He works for the government.
She reads the Woman's Weekly.
Compare:
She reads the Woman's Weekly (regularly). This sentence is in the
habitual present tense.
#pause quote
Notice how the sentence they use as an example is terribly close to the
one I repeatedly gave you and you didn't understand correctly: "I don't
read the New York Times."
#restart quote
She is reading the Woman's Weekly (right now). This sentence is in the
present tense, progressive aspect, to be explained below.
The habitual present is common when the language is conveying
information, such as in reports, descriptions, and expositions. It is a
verb form often encountered in school reading and writing.
In everyday speech, the habitual or timeless present is often used to
refer to an action planned for the future.
#end quote
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| User: "Al Klein" |
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17 Oct 2003 09:36:38 PM |
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On Fri, 17 Oct 2003 14:55:38 -0700, "Bill Bonde ( the oblique allusion
in lieu of the frontal attack )" <stderr2@backpacker.com> posted in
alt.atheism:
Bush is leading
us right into being the most hated (and probably the most isolated)
nation in history.
and that is what he is supposed to do.
No he's not.
Spare me the sanctimonious *****. DUH-bya couldn't give a ***** less about
the people of Iraq. It was WMD's, remember? (feigned indignance with
high-school girl 'accent' : "OH! that is SO last week...!")
No, it was the total weight of reasons for dealing with Iraq, not any
one thing.
No, at each change, the then-currentg reason was *THE* reason. It's
only been a few months - you can't have forgotten already.
Also, they can't possibly
repay it
The ***** "they" can't. Three letters for you: O-I-L.
They don't have the infrastructure
Says who? It's been in place for decades.
and demanding the money back will
prevent them from getting started on the right foot.
Do you have any idea how much oil Iraq used to sell per year?
Shrub went for the oil, and don't delude yourself into believing anything
else.
Yet he wants to have the 87 billion dollars as aid and not a loan.
Yes - he wants his pals' companies to get money with no strings.
Did Clinton illegally attack the Balkans?
No, but that has nothing to do with why Bush illegally attacked Iraq.
--
"To assume the existence of an unperceivable being ... does not facilitate understanding
the orderliness we find in the perceivable world."
- Letter to an Iowa student who asked, What is God? July, 1953; Einstein Archive 59-085
(random sig, produced by SigChanger)
rukbat at optonline dot net
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| User: "Eric da Red" |
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17 Oct 2003 02:38:42 PM |
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In article <3F904138.B8FD113E@backpacker.com>,
Bill Bonde ( the oblique allusion in lieu of the frontal attack ) <stderr2@backpacker.com> wrote:
The other Donald wrote:
"Bush's attempt to assert himself extends beyond the executive branch. Late
Tuesday, in a brief, brusque arm-twisting session with nine senators, the
President made it clear that he was not there to answer questions or debate
the merits of his $87 billion Iraq and Afghanistan aid package. He demanded
that the aid to Iraq be in the form of grants, not loans, as some of the
senators have urged."
"Give me $87b or I'll tell my daddy!!"
Monkey boy is in for a rude awakening.
You people are seriously disturbed. If we put all sorts of strings on
and demand repayment of the 87 billion dollars to Iraq, we will ruin the
efforts to show that we are doing this because we care about the Iraqi
people and want them to have better lives.
Bulldozing date orchards pretty much settled that issue.
Also, they can't possibly
repay it and will therefore be in debt bondage right from the start
making the new government much less stable.
Judging from the revised rules regarding bankruptcy recently passed
by Congress, the US government is not opposed to debt bondage.
Are you suddenly in favor of forgiving debts incurred by governments
of poor countries?
--
ShrubQuote Of The Week: "Security is the essential roadblock to achieving
the road map to peace."
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| User: "Bill Bonde the oblique allusion in lieu of the frontal attack" |
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17 Oct 2003 03:20:58 PM |
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Eric da Red wrote:
In article <3F904138.B8FD113E@backpacker.com>,
Bill Bonde ( the oblique allusion in lieu of the frontal attack ) <stderr2@backpacker.com> wrote:
The other Donald wrote:
"Bush's attempt to assert himself extends beyond the executive branch. Late
Tuesday, in a brief, brusque arm-twisting session with nine senators, the
President made it clear that he was not there to answer questions or debate
the merits of his $87 billion Iraq and Afghanistan aid package. He demanded
that the aid to Iraq be in the form of grants, not loans, as some of the
senators have urged."
"Give me $87b or I'll tell my daddy!!"
Monkey boy is in for a rude awakening.
You people are seriously disturbed. If we put all sorts of strings on
and demand repayment of the 87 billion dollars to Iraq, we will ruin the
efforts to show that we are doing this because we care about the Iraqi
people and want them to have better lives.
Bulldozing date orchards pretty much settled that issue.
I thought it was established that the clearing of those areas was
because they were being used for cover by the people who have been
attacking our troops.
Also, they can't possibly
repay it and will therefore be in debt bondage right from the start
making the new government much less stable.
Judging from the revised rules regarding bankruptcy recently passed
by Congress, the US government is not opposed to debt bondage.
Are you suddenly in favor of forgiving debts incurred by governments
of poor countries?
I recall commenting on whether or not we should forgive debts to poor
countries. My view is generally that it should be considered on a case
by case basis. Since the US is the largest debtor nation, it doesn't
seem like it should be doing all the forgiving though.
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| User: "Eric da Red" |
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17 Oct 2003 03:44:44 PM |
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In article <3F904F2A.F4C2C3C2@backpacker.com>,
Bill Bonde ( the oblique allusion in lieu of the frontal attack ) <stderr2@backpacker.com> wrote:
Eric da Red wrote:
In article <3F904138.B8FD113E@backpacker.com>,
Bill Bonde ( the oblique allusion in lieu of the frontal attack ) <stderr2@backpacker.com> wrote:
....
You people are seriously disturbed. If we put all sorts of strings on
and demand repayment of the 87 billion dollars to Iraq, we will ruin the
efforts to show that we are doing this because we care about the Iraqi
people and want them to have better lives.
Bulldozing date orchards pretty much settled that issue.
I thought it was established that the clearing of those areas was
because they were being used for cover by the people who have been
attacking our troops.
That's the US government's spin, which you hungrily swallowed whole.
Reports from the scene say something a bit different.
There are other incidents to further diminish your claim, like the
efforts by the US occupation forces against Iraqi attempts to run
business and rebuild their own infrastructure, and the attempt to
import foreign workers into an economy in which less than half the
available workers are employed.
Also, they can't possibly
repay it and will therefore be in debt bondage right from the start
making the new government much less stable.
Judging from the revised rules regarding bankruptcy recently passed
by Congress, the US government is not opposed to debt bondage.
Are you suddenly in favor of forgiving debts incurred by governments
of poor countries?
I recall commenting on whether or not we should forgive debts to poor
countries. My view is generally that it should be considered on a case
by case basis.
The cases you approve of remarkably coincide with the ones approved
by the GOP leadership.
Amazing.
Since the US is the largest debtor nation, it doesn't
seem like it should be doing all the forgiving though.
The US isn't one of those "poor countries" I mentioned.
Not yet, anyway.
--
ShrubQuote Of The Week: "Security is the essential roadblock to achieving
the road map to peace."
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17 Oct 2003 03:54:22 PM |
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In alt.radio.talk.dr-laura article <bmpgg2$2tt$1@drizzle.com> Eric da Red <bergamot@drizzle.com> wrote:
: Judging from the revised rules regarding bankruptcy recently passed
: by Congress, the US government is not opposed to debt bondage.
I thought this was still in conference, and not yet ready for prime time.
--
John M. Price, PhD
Life: Chemistry, but with feeling! | PGP Key on request or FTP!
Email responses to my Usenet articles will be posted at my discretion.
Comoderator: sci.psychology.psychotherapy.moderated Atheist# 683
There is perhaps no phenomenon that contains so much destructve feeling as
moral indignation, which permits envy or hate to be acted out under the
guise of virtue.
- Erich Fromm
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20 Oct 2003 01:58:45 PM |
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In article <3f9056fe$0$25067$d368eab@news.newshosting.com>,
John M Price PhD <jmprice@calweb.com> wrote:
In alt.radio.talk.dr-laura article <bmpgg2$2tt$1@drizzle.com> Eric da Red <bergamot@drizzle.com> wrote:
: Judging from the revised rules regarding bankruptcy recently passed
: by Congress, the US government is not opposed to debt bondage.
I thought this was still in conference, and not yet ready for prime time.
Some of the provisions were passed in the last Congress, some are
still under discussion.
It's not a new process, and one that both major political parties
contribute to.
--
ShrubQuote Of The Week: "Security is the essential roadblock to achieving
the road map to peace."
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| User: "Al Klein" |
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17 Oct 2003 09:27:40 PM |
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On Fri, 17 Oct 2003 12:21:28 -0700, "Bill Bonde ( the oblique allusion
in lieu of the frontal attack )" <stderr2@backpacker.com> posted in
alt.atheism:
You people are seriously disturbed. If we put all sorts of strings on
and demand repayment of the 87 billion dollars to Iraq, we will ruin the
efforts to show that we are doing this because we care about the Iraqi
people and want them to have better lives.
Which isn't why Bush wants the money.
Also, they can't possibly
repay it and will therefore be in debt bondage right from the start
making the new government much less stable.
They can sell $87b in oil in less than a year.
--
"Men never do evil so completely and cheerfully as when they do it from religious
conviction."
- Blaise Pascal (1623-1662)
(random sig, produced by SigChanger)
rukbat at optonline dot net
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| User: "Steve Knight" |
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17 Oct 2003 06:58:53 PM |
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On Fri, 17 Oct 2003 12:21:28 -0700, "Bill Bonde ( the oblique allusion
in lieu of the frontal attack )" <stderr2@backpacker.com> wrote:
snip
You people are seriously disturbed. If we put all sorts of strings on
and demand repayment of the 87 billion dollars to Iraq, we will ruin the
efforts to show that we are doing this because we care about the Iraqi
people and want them to have better lives. Also, they can't possibly
repay it and will therefore be in debt bondage right from the start
making the new government much less stable.
I'm not sure if you're serious.
Those are my tax dollars and I sure as hell am not 'giving' them
away to a people that I could care less about. They got themselves
into their predicament by letting Husein remain in power. He allegedly
became a threat to us and was dealt with. We should leave and let them
pick up the pieces. They can sell their oil to get money. It's not our
responsibility to be the deep pocket for the world.
The US gives too many handouts with nothing to show for it. It's
too bad Iraq needs 'everything'. So do half the countries of the
world. But I need to pay my Quarterlies, my property tax, a million
other fees and charges. Not to mention my truck is falling apart, I
need medical insurance and I can't afford to visit my daughter to see
my new grand daughter.
Warlord Steve
BAAWA
www.sonic.net/~wooly
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19 Oct 2003 10:43:54 AM |
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On Fri, 17 Oct 2003 12:21:28 -0700, "Bill Bonde ( the oblique allusion
in lieu of the frontal attack )" <stderr2@backpacker.com>, Message ID:
<3F904138.B8FD113E@backpacker.com> wrote in alt.atheism;
The other Donald wrote:
"Patriotboy is Fair and Balanced" <tim@somecallme.net> wrote in message
news:Xns9417718777E4Ctimsomecallme@216.168.3.44...
"Bush told his senior aides Tuesday that he 'didn't want to see any
stories' quoting unnamed administration officials in the media
anymore, and that if he did, there would be consequences, said a
senior administration official who asked that his name not be used."
<blinks in disbelief...>
This ain't a joke story, is it?
"On Monday, reacting to reports of internal conflict among his top advisers,
the President told one regional broadcaster: 'The person who's in charge is
me.'
"Bush's attempt to assert himself extends beyond the executive branch. Late
Tuesday, in a brief, brusque arm-twisting session with nine senators, the
President made it clear that he was not there to answer questions or debate
the merits of his $87 billion Iraq and Afghanistan aid package. He demanded
that the aid to Iraq be in the form of grants, not loans, as some of the
senators have urged."
"Give me $87b or I'll tell my daddy!!"
Monkey boy is in for a rude awakening.
You people are seriously disturbed. If we put all sorts of strings on
and demand repayment of the 87 billion dollars to Iraq, we will ruin the
efforts to show that we are doing this because we care about the Iraqi
people and want them to have better lives. Also, they can't possibly
repay it and will therefore be in debt bondage right from the start
making the new government much less stable.
Shrub doesn't give a damn about the Iraqi people.
Stoney
"Designated Rascal and Rapscallion
and
SCAMPERMEISTER!"
When in doubt, SCAMPER about!
When things are fair, SCAMPER everywhere!
When things are rough, can't SCAMPER enough!
/end humour alert
alt.atheism military veteran #11
{so much for the 'no atheists in foxholes' rubbish}
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| User: "Michelle Malkin" |
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19 Oct 2003 11:44:39 PM |
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On Sun, 19 Oct 2003 08:43:54 -0700, stoney <stoney@the.net> wrote:
On Fri, 17 Oct 2003 12:21:28 -0700, "Bill Bonde ( the oblique allusion
in lieu of the frontal attack )" <stderr2@backpacker.com>, Message ID:
<3F904138.B8FD113E@backpacker.com> wrote in alt.atheism;
The other Donald wrote:
"Patriotboy is Fair and Balanced" <tim@somecallme.net> wrote in message
news:Xns9417718777E4Ctimsomecallme@216.168.3.44...
"Bush told his senior aides Tuesday that he 'didn't want to see any
stories' quoting unnamed administration officials in the media
anymore, and that if he did, there would be consequences, said a
senior administration official who asked that his name not be used."
<blinks in disbelief...>
This ain't a joke story, is it?
"On Monday, reacting to reports of internal conflict among his top advisers,
the President told one regional broadcaster: 'The person who's in charge is
me.'
"Bush's attempt to assert himself extends beyond the executive branch. Late
Tuesday, in a brief, brusque arm-twisting session with nine senators, the
President made it clear that he was not there to answer questions or debate
the merits of his $87 billion Iraq and Afghanistan aid package. He demanded
that the aid to Iraq be in the form of grants, not loans, as some of the
senators have urged."
"Give me $87b or I'll tell my daddy!!"
Monkey boy is in for a rude awakening.
You people are seriously disturbed. If we put all sorts of strings on
and demand repayment of the 87 billion dollars to Iraq, we will ruin the
efforts to show that we are doing this because we care about the Iraqi
people and want them to have better lives. Also, they can't possibly
repay it and will therefore be in debt bondage right from the start
making the new government much less stable.
Shrub doesn't give a damn about the Iraqi people.
He doesn't give a damn about the American people, either. So, he's
batting a 1,000.
Stoney
"Designated Rascal and Rapscallion
and
SCAMPERMEISTER!"
When in doubt, SCAMPER about!
When things are fair, SCAMPER everywhere!
When things are rough, can't SCAMPER enough!
/end humour alert
alt.atheism military veteran #11
{so much for the 'no atheists in foxholes' rubbish}
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21 Oct 2003 01:28:48 AM |
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In article <40q6pv02erm2subhsam68b5atnkiuooulm@4ax.com>,
Michelle Malkin <hypatiab7@earthlink.net> wrote:
On Sun, 19 Oct 2003 08:43:54 -0700, stoney <stoney@the.net> wrote:
On Fri, 17 Oct 2003 12:21:28 -0700, "Bill Bonde ( the oblique allusion
in lieu of the frontal attack )" <stderr2@backpacker.com>, Message ID:
<3F904138.B8FD113E@backpacker.com> wrote in alt.atheism;
The other Donald wrote:
"Patriotboy is Fair and Balanced" <tim@somecallme.net> wrote in message
news:Xns9417718777E4Ctimsomecallme@216.168.3.44...
"Bush told his senior aides Tuesday that he 'didn't want to see any
stories' quoting unnamed administration officials in the media
anymore, and that if he did, there would be consequences, said a
senior administration official who asked that his name not be used."
<blinks in disbelief...>
This ain't a joke story, is it?
"On Monday, reacting to reports of internal conflict among his top
advisers,
the President told one regional broadcaster: 'The person who's in charge
is
me.'
"Bush's attempt to assert himself extends beyond the executive branch.
Late
Tuesday, in a brief, brusque arm-twisting session with nine senators, the
President made it clear that he was not there to answer questions or
debate
the merits of his $87 billion Iraq and Afghanistan aid package. He
demanded
that the aid to Iraq be in the form of grants, not loans, as some of the
senators have urged."
"Give me $87b or I'll tell my daddy!!"
Monkey boy is in for a rude awakening.
You people are seriously disturbed. If we put all sorts of strings on
and demand repayment of the 87 billion dollars to Iraq, we will ruin the
efforts to show that we are doing this because we care about the Iraqi
people and want them to have better lives. Also, they can't possibly
repay it and will therefore be in debt bondage right from the start
making the new government much less stable.
Shrub doesn't give a damn about the Iraqi people.
He doesn't give a damn about the American people, either. So, he's
batting a 1,000.
The only Americans that he cares about are his rich and powerful
friends who got him selected and attend his $2,000 per plate campaign
fund raising dinners.
--
John Hachmann, aa #1782
Pierre Laplace, when asked by Napoleon on why he made
no mention of a god in his book on astronomy: "Sire,
I have no need of that hypothesis."
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20 Oct 2003 11:21:04 PM |
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On Mon, 20 Oct 2003 04:44:39 GMT, Michelle Malkin
<hypatiab7@earthlink.net>, Message ID:
<40q6pv02erm2subhsam68b5atnkiuooulm@4ax.com> wrote in alt.atheism;
On Sun, 19 Oct 2003 08:43:54 -0700, stoney <stoney@the.net> wrote:
On Fri, 17 Oct 2003 12:21:28 -0700, "Bill Bonde ( the oblique allusion
in lieu of the frontal attack )" <stderr2@backpacker.com>, Message ID:
<3F904138.B8FD113E@backpacker.com> wrote in alt.atheism;
The other Donald wrote:
"Patriotboy is Fair and Balanced" <tim@somecallme.net> wrote in message
news:Xns9417718777E4Ctimsomecallme@216.168.3.44...
"Bush told his senior aides Tuesday that he 'didn't want to see any
stories' quoting unnamed administration officials in the media
anymore, and that if he did, there would be consequences, said a
senior administration official who asked that his name not be used."
<blinks in disbelief...>
This ain't a joke story, is it?
"On Monday, reacting to reports of internal conflict among his top advisers,
the President told one regional broadcaster: 'The person who's in charge is
me.'
"Bush's attempt to assert himself extends beyond the executive branch. Late
Tuesday, in a brief, brusque arm-twisting session with nine senators, the
President made it clear that he was not there to answer questions or debate
the merits of his $87 billion Iraq and Afghanistan aid package. He demanded
that the aid to Iraq be in the form of grants, not loans, as some of the
senators have urged."
"Give me $87b or I'll tell my daddy!!"
Monkey boy is in for a rude awakening.
You people are seriously disturbed. If we put all sorts of strings on
and demand repayment of the 87 billion dollars to Iraq, we will ruin the
efforts to show that we are doing this because we care about the Iraqi
people and want them to have better lives. Also, they can't possibly
repay it and will therefore be in debt bondage right from the start
making the new government much less stable.
Shrub doesn't give a damn about the Iraqi people.
He doesn't give a damn about the American people, either. So, he's
batting a 1,000.
Sure. I wasn't going to beat that poor dead shadow of a horse again.
Stoney
"Designated Rascal and Rapscallion
and
SCAMPERMEISTER!"
When in doubt, SCAMPER about!
When things are fair, SCAMPER everywhere!
When things are rough, can't SCAMPER enough!
/end humour alert
alt.atheism military veteran #11
{so much for the 'no atheists in foxholes' rubbish}
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| User: "Eric da Red" |
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17 Oct 2003 02:33:23 PM |
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In article <Xns9417718777E4Ctimsomecallme@216.168.3.44>,
Patriotboy is Fair and Balanced <tim@somecallme.net> wrote:
"Bush told his senior aides Tuesday that he 'didn't want to see any
stories' quoting unnamed administration officials in the media
anymore, and that if he did, there would be consequences, said a
senior administration official who asked that his name not be used."
http://tinyurl.com/rbjd
The additional layer of irony is that the Shrub won't see any of
these stories anyway because he doesn't read newspapers.
--
ShrubQuote Of The Week: "Security is the essential roadblock to achieving
the road map to peace."
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| User: "The other Donald" |
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17 Oct 2003 03:34:18 PM |
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"Eric da Red" <bergamot@drizzle.com> wrote in message
news:bmpg63$upb$1@drizzle.com...
In article <Xns9417718777E4Ctimsomecallme@216.168.3.44>,
Patriotboy is Fair and Balanced <tim@somecallme.net> wrote:
"Bush told his senior aides Tuesday that he 'didn't want to see any
stories' quoting unnamed administration officials in the media
anymore, and that if he did, there would be consequences, said a
senior administration official who asked that his name not be used."
http://tinyurl.com/rbjd
The additional layer of irony is that the Shrub won't see any of
these stories anyway because he doesn't read newspapers.
He prefers pop-up books with all the pretty pictures....
--
ShrubQuote Of The Week: "Security is the essential roadblock to achieving
the road map to peace."
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| User: "Bill Bonde the oblique allusion in lieu of the frontal attack" |
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17 Oct 2003 03:48:14 PM |
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The other Donald wrote:
"Eric da Red" <bergamot@drizzle.com> wrote in message
news:bmpg63$upb$1@drizzle.com...
In article <Xns9417718777E4Ctimsomecallme@216.168.3.44>,
Patriotboy is Fair and Balanced <tim@somecallme.net> wrote:
"Bush told his senior aides Tuesday that he 'didn't want to see any
stories' quoting unnamed administration officials in the media
anymore, and that if he did, there would be consequences, said a
senior administration official who asked that his name not be used."
http://tinyurl.com/rbjd
The additional layer of irony is that the Shrub won't see any of
these stories anyway because he doesn't read newspapers.
He prefers pop-up books with all the pretty pictures....
I've read The Very Hungry Caterpillar and it has depth as well as
breadth. I would not dismiss its literary qualities just because it has
pictures in it of a very hungry caterpillar eating things that don't set
well in the tummy of a caterpillar.
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| User: "Eric da Red" |
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20 Oct 2003 11:22:57 AM |
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In article <3F90558E.7CAA20DD@backpacker.com>,
Bill Bonde ( the oblique allusion in lieu of the frontal attack ) <stderr2@backpacker.com> wrote:
The other Donald wrote:
"Eric da Red" <bergamot@drizzle.com> wrote in message
news:bmpg63$upb$1@drizzle.com...
In article <Xns9417718777E4Ctimsomecallme@216.168.3.44>,
Patriotboy is Fair and Balanced <tim@somecallme.net> wrote:
"Bush told his senior aides Tuesday that he 'didn't want to see any
stories' quoting unnamed administration officials in the media
anymore, and that if he did, there would be consequences, said a
senior administration official who asked that his name not be used."
http://tinyurl.com/rbjd
The additional layer of irony is that the Shrub won't see any of
these stories anyway because he doesn't read newspapers.
He prefers pop-up books with all the pretty pictures....
I've read The Very Hungry Caterpillar and it has depth as well as
breadth. I would not dismiss its literary qualities just because it has
pictures in it of a very hungry caterpillar eating things that don't set
well in the tummy of a caterpillar.
The same way America ate the Shrub administration's disagreeable
propaganda.
It's an allegory.
--
ShrubQuote Of The Week: "Security is the essential roadblock to achieving
the road map to peace."
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| User: "Lord Calvert" |
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17 Oct 2003 03:35:51 PM |
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The additional layer of irony is that the Shrub won't see any of
these stories anyway because he doesn't read newspapers.
Except the Washington Times and Southern Partisan.
Rich Goranson, Amherst, NY, USA (aa#MCMXCIX, a-vet#1)
EAC Department of Applied Rattan Use
"Without faith we might relapse into scientific or rational thinking, which
leads by a slippery slope toward constitutional democracy." - Robert Anton
Wilson
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| User: "Mr. FairnBalanced Red " |
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17 Oct 2003 04:58:12 PM |
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In article <bmpg63$upb$1@drizzle.com>, bergamot*nospam*@drizzle.com wrote:
In article <Xns9417718777E4Ctimsomecallme@216.168.3.44>,
Patriotboy is Fair and Balanced <tim@somecallme.net> wrote:
"Bush told his senior aides Tuesday that he 'didn't want to see any
stories' quoting unnamed administration officials in the media
anymore, and that if he did, there would be consequences, said a
senior administration official who asked that his name not be used."
http://tinyurl.com/rbjd
The additional layer of irony is that the Shrub won't see any of
these stories anyway because he doesn't read newspapers.
--
ShrubQuote Of The Week: "Security is the essential roadblock to achieving
the road map to peace."
Wonder if he'll read "Bushwacked" by Molly Ivins and Lou Dubose?
"Jeepers! Maybe I can get Uncle *****, Uncle Donny or Aunt Condie to read it
to me!"--GeeDubya
Cheers,
M. Rouge
--
"I shall never forget the weekend Laura died. A silver sun burned through
the sky like a huge magnifying glass. It was the hottest Sunday in my
recollection. I felt as if I were the only human being left in New York.
For Laura's horrible death, I was alone. I, Waldo Lydecker, was the only
one who really knew her. And I had just begun to write Laura's story when -
another of those detectives came to see me. I had him wait. I could watch
him through the half-open door. I noted that his attention was fixed upon
my clock. There was only one other in existence, and that was in Laura's
apartment in the very room where she was murdered."
--Waldo Lydecker (Clifton Webb)
LAURA (1944)
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17 Oct 2003 09:41:13 PM |
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On 17 Oct 2003 12:33:23 -0700, (Eric da Red)
posted in alt.atheism:
The additional layer of irony is that the Shrub won't see any of
these stories anyway because he doesn't read newspapers.
Bush doesn't read. But I thought he had someone who reads to him.
--
"If we really know Truth, we do not fear hearing falsehoods or half-truths; if we are not sure of the truth - we shudder and try to shout down every utterance." - A. J. Mims
(random sig, produced by SigChanger)
rukbat at optonline dot net
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| User: "beber" |
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18 Oct 2003 08:33:47 AM |
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On Fri, 17 Oct 2003 18:06:46 -0000, Patriotboy is Fair and Balanced
<tim@somecallme.net> wrote:
"Bush told his senior aides Tuesday that he 'didn't want to see any
stories' quoting unnamed administration officials in the media
anymore, and that if he did, there would be consequences, said a
senior administration official who asked that his name not be used."
http://tinyurl.com/rbjd
I thought bush put up a tarrif wall to save irony.
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| User: "jwk" |
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17 Oct 2003 04:35:07 PM |
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Patriotboy is Fair and Balanced <tim@somecallme.net> wrote in message news:<Xns9417718777E4Ctimsomecallme@216.168.3.44>...
"Bush told his senior aides Tuesday that he 'didn't want to see any
stories' quoting unnamed administration officials in the media
anymore, and that if he did, there would be consequences, said a
senior administration official who asked that his name not be used."
http://tinyurl.com/rbjd
Thanks for the laugh. <Getting dirty looks from the other cubical dwellers.>
jwk
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| User: "Bob Dog" |
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17 Oct 2003 11:21:53 PM |
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Patriotboy is Fair and Balanced <tim@somecallme.net> wrote in message news:<Xns9417718777E4Ctimsomecallme@216.168.3.44>...
"Bush told his senior aides Tuesday that he 'didn't want to see any
stories' quoting unnamed administration officials in the media
anymore, and that if he did, there would be consequences, said a
senior administration official who asked that his name not be used."
http://tinyurl.com/rbjd
When Ted Rall started referring to Shrub as "El Bushissimo"
as though he were a petty dictator of a Central American
banana republic, I thought it was inaccurate. Apparently I
was wrong.
Bob Dog
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