Religions > Atheism > Irony Meter test: Islam should not be imposed on Christians
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23 Apr 2004 02:45:44 PM |
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Irony Meter test: Islam should not be imposed on Christians |
http://headlines.agapepress.org/archive/4/222004c.asp
By Chad Groening
A Michigan woman says as a Christian, she is offended that the city
council in her small community is poised to approve an ordinance that
would allow local mosques to broadcast calls for prayer over
loudspeakers.
The City Council of Hamtramck, Michigan, has given preliminary
approval to a mosque's plans to send out the Muslim call to prayer on
loudspeakers. The Bangladeshi al-Islah mosque wants to air the Arabic
call to prayer via loudspeakers five times a day, but has agreed not
to air them between 10:00 at night and 6:00 in the morning.
The Detroit suburb's city council is expected to give its final
approval at its April 27 meeting; if approved, the ordinance would
take effect on May 26.
Some Muslims say the call to prayer is the equivalent of church bells.
But opponents argue that church bells have no religious significance
and that allowing the Arabic call, which lasts less than two minutes,
unfairly elevates Islam above other religions.
Some Christian residents, like Joanne Golen, resent the city allowing
Muslims to impose their religion on everybody else. Golen feels her
rights are being violated.
"Allah is not my god -- my God is Jesus Christ, who is the Son of
God," she says. "And I feel it's against my constitutional rights to
have to hear this at sunrise, four more times at sunset, which may be
ten o'clock, blaring in my ears, telling me about their god."
Golen considers it offensive for her and other Christians to have to
hear chants from a mosque. "I do not impose Jesus on them because He's
quiet," the Hamtramck resident says. "Jesus calls in a quiet, gentle
voice -- He doesn't have to blare over a PA system to call His
followers.
"We know when it's time to go to church; we pray constantly -- we
don't need a call to prayer. My life is a prayer, and I resent this."
Golen says if the situation was reversed and a local Christian church
asked permission to broadcast over a loudspeaker, they would be turned
down immediately. She and her husband says they plan to carry on the
fight to head off the ordinance.
Estimates are that about one-third of the population in Hamtramck is
Muslim. The Chicago Tribune says that while people of Polish descent
control the town's politics, the growth -- and perhaps the future --
of Hamtramck is driven by Muslims.
*****
Church bells have no religious significance? They ring people in for
service, just like the Islamic call.
And the bit where she says it's offensive to hear chants from a mosque
- may she remember that the next time someone complains about
Christian prayer at a public function.
--
L. Raymond
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| User: "Gregory Gadow" |
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23 Apr 2004 03:49:52 PM |
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"L. Raymond" wrote:
http://headlines.agapepress.org/archive/4/222004c.asp
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Church bells have no religious significance? They ring people in for
service, just like the Islamic call.
Ah, but church bells are *ceremonial deism* and have become a hallowed...
err, I mean common part of American tradition and values.
And the bit where she says it's offensive to hear chants from a mosque
- may she remember that the next time someone complains about
Christian prayer at a public function.
Except that Christian prayer at public functions are necessary because
this is, after all, a Christian country.
--
Gregory Gadow
techbear@serv.net
http://www.serv.net/~techbear
"If you make yourself a sheep, the wolves will eat you."
-- Benjamin Franklin
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23 Apr 2004 06:13:47 PM |
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L. Raymond <baddaddress@mylinuxisp.com> wrote in news:40897110.902441
@news.mylinuxisp.com:
http://headlines.agapepress.org/archive/4/222004c.asp
By Chad Groening
A Michigan woman says as a Christian, she is offended that the city
council in her small community is poised to approve an ordinance that
would allow local mosques to broadcast calls for prayer over
loudspeakers.
<...>
Yes, my irony meter just disconnected itself and is demanding hazard pay.
--
Fred Stone
aa# 1369
Cthulhu for President! Why vote for a lesser evil?
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23 Apr 2004 04:05:04 PM |
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On Fri, 23 Apr 2004 19:45:44 GMT, L. Raymond
<baddaddress@mylinuxisp.com> wrote:
http://headlines.agapepress.org/archive/4/222004c.asp
By Chad Groening
A Michigan woman says as a Christian, she is offended that the city
council in her small community is poised to approve an ordinance that
would allow local mosques to broadcast calls for prayer over
loudspeakers.
The City Council of Hamtramck, Michigan, has given preliminary
approval to a mosque's plans to send out the Muslim call to prayer on
loudspeakers. The Bangladeshi al-Islah mosque wants to air the Arabic
call to prayer via loudspeakers five times a day, but has agreed not
to air them between 10:00 at night and 6:00 in the morning.
The Detroit suburb's city council is expected to give its final
approval at its April 27 meeting; if approved, the ordinance would
take effect on May 26.
Some Muslims say the call to prayer is the equivalent of church bells.
But opponents argue that church bells have no religious significance
and that allowing the Arabic call, which lasts less than two minutes,
unfairly elevates Islam above other religions.
Some Christian residents, like Joanne Golen, resent the city allowing
Muslims to impose their religion on everybody else. Golen feels her
rights are being violated.
"Allah is not my god -- my God is Jesus Christ, who is the Son of
God," she says. "And I feel it's against my constitutional rights to
have to hear this at sunrise, four more times at sunset, which may be
ten o'clock, blaring in my ears, telling me about their god."
Golen considers it offensive for her and other Christians to have to
hear chants from a mosque. "I do not impose Jesus on them because He's
quiet," the Hamtramck resident says. "Jesus calls in a quiet, gentle
voice -- He doesn't have to blare over a PA system to call His
followers.
"We know when it's time to go to church; we pray constantly -- we
don't need a call to prayer. My life is a prayer, and I resent this."
Golen says if the situation was reversed and a local Christian church
asked permission to broadcast over a loudspeaker, they would be turned
down immediately. She and her husband says they plan to carry on the
fight to head off the ordinance.
Estimates are that about one-third of the population in Hamtramck is
Muslim. The Chicago Tribune says that while people of Polish descent
control the town's politics, the growth -- and perhaps the future --
of Hamtramck is driven by Muslims.
*****
Church bells have no religious significance? They ring people in for
service, just like the Islamic call.
And the bit where she says it's offensive to hear chants from a mosque
- may she remember that the next time someone complains about
Christian prayer at a public function.
She won't...Chrisrters never do. They are always right...billions of
people, practicing thousands of other religions are wrong...I guess
that's the cross they bear.
To protect my irony meter I have, removed the batteries, disassembled
it (no worries...I took plenty of photos...it's rather complicated),
placed the parts into a lead lined safe, some guy named Geordi set up
something called an "irony dispersal field"...whatever....oh, and I
shall STILL spend the week in Miami so I don't get hit with pieces
when this one goes up. Christers are pretty tough on these things.
zamboni
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| User: "stoney" |
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26 Apr 2004 10:56:20 AM |
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On Fri, 23 Apr 2004 16:05:04 -0500, zamboni30000@knowspamatyahoo.com,
Message ID: <el0j80t1pk9qvumauc0uc839j9egccq7cd@4ax.com> wrote in
alt.atheism;
Re: Irony Meter test: Islam should not be imposed on Christians
On Fri, 23 Apr 2004 19:45:44 GMT, L. Raymond
<baddaddress@mylinuxisp.com> wrote:
http://headlines.agapepress.org/archive/4/222004c.asp
By Chad Groening
A Michigan woman says as a Christian, she is offended that the city
council in her small community is poised to approve an ordinance that
would allow local mosques to broadcast calls for prayer over
loudspeakers.
The City Council of Hamtramck, Michigan, has given preliminary
approval to a mosque's plans to send out the Muslim call to prayer on
loudspeakers. The Bangladeshi al-Islah mosque wants to air the Arabic
call to prayer via loudspeakers five times a day, but has agreed not
to air them between 10:00 at night and 6:00 in the morning.
The Detroit suburb's city council is expected to give its final
approval at its April 27 meeting; if approved, the ordinance would
take effect on May 26.
Some Muslims say the call to prayer is the equivalent of church bells.
But opponents argue that church bells have no religious significance
and that allowing the Arabic call, which lasts less than two minutes,
unfairly elevates Islam above other religions.
Some Christian residents, like Joanne Golen, resent the city allowing
Muslims to impose their religion on everybody else. Golen feels her
rights are being violated.
"Allah is not my god -- my God is Jesus Christ, who is the Son of
God," she says. "And I feel it's against my constitutional rights to
have to hear this at sunrise, four more times at sunset, which may be
ten o'clock, blaring in my ears, telling me about their god."
Golen considers it offensive for her and other Christians to have to
hear chants from a mosque. "I do not impose Jesus on them because He's
quiet," the Hamtramck resident says. "Jesus calls in a quiet, gentle
voice -- He doesn't have to blare over a PA system to call His
followers.
"We know when it's time to go to church; we pray constantly -- we
don't need a call to prayer. My life is a prayer, and I resent this."
Golen says if the situation was reversed and a local Christian church
asked permission to broadcast over a loudspeaker, they would be turned
down immediately. She and her husband says they plan to carry on the
fight to head off the ordinance.
Estimates are that about one-third of the population in Hamtramck is
Muslim. The Chicago Tribune says that while people of Polish descent
control the town's politics, the growth -- and perhaps the future --
of Hamtramck is driven by Muslims.
*****
Church bells have no religious significance? They ring people in for
service, just like the Islamic call.
And the bit where she says it's offensive to hear chants from a mosque
- may she remember that the next time someone complains about
Christian prayer at a public function.
/begin
She won't...Chrisrters never do. They are always right...billions of
people, practicing thousands of other religions are wrong...I guess
that's the cross they bear.
To protect my irony meter I have, removed the batteries, disassembled
it (no worries...I took plenty of photos...it's rather complicated),
placed the parts into a lead lined safe, some guy named Geordi set up
something called an "irony dispersal field"...whatever....oh, and I
shall STILL spend the week in Miami so I don't get hit with pieces
when this one goes up. Christers are pretty tough on these things.
zamboni
/end
seconds?
Stoney
"Designated Rascal and Rapscallion
and
SCAMPERMEISTER!"
When in doubt, SCAMPER about!
When things are fair, SCAMPER everywhere!
When things are rough, can't SCAMPER enough!
/end humour alert
alt.atheism military veteran #11
{so much for the 'no atheists in foxholes' rubbish}
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| User: "Tink" |
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26 Apr 2004 04:32:27 PM |
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stoney wrote:
On Fri, 23 Apr 2004 16:05:04 -0500, zamboni30000@knowspamatyahoo.com,
Message ID: <el0j80t1pk9qvumauc0uc839j9egccq7cd@4ax.com> wrote in
alt.atheism;
Re: Irony Meter test: Islam should not be imposed on Christians
On Fri, 23 Apr 2004 19:45:44 GMT, L. Raymond
<baddaddress@mylinuxisp.com> wrote:
http://headlines.agapepress.org/archive/4/222004c.asp
By Chad Groening
A Michigan woman says as a Christian, she is offended that the city
council in her small community is poised to approve an ordinance that
would allow local mosques to broadcast calls for prayer over
loudspeakers.
The City Council of Hamtramck, Michigan, has given preliminary
approval to a mosque's plans to send out the Muslim call to prayer on
loudspeakers. The Bangladeshi al-Islah mosque wants to air the Arabic
call to prayer via loudspeakers five times a day, but has agreed not
to air them between 10:00 at night and 6:00 in the morning.
The Detroit suburb's city council is expected to give its final
approval at its April 27 meeting; if approved, the ordinance would
take effect on May 26.
Some Muslims say the call to prayer is the equivalent of church bells.
But opponents argue that church bells have no religious significance
and that allowing the Arabic call, which lasts less than two minutes,
unfairly elevates Islam above other religions.
Some Christian residents, like Joanne Golen, resent the city allowing
Muslims to impose their religion on everybody else. Golen feels her
rights are being violated.
"Allah is not my god -- my God is Jesus Christ, who is the Son of
God," she says. "And I feel it's against my constitutional rights to
have to hear this at sunrise, four more times at sunset, which may be
ten o'clock, blaring in my ears, telling me about their god."
Golen considers it offensive for her and other Christians to have to
hear chants from a mosque. "I do not impose Jesus on them because He's
quiet," the Hamtramck resident says. "Jesus calls in a quiet, gentle
voice -- He doesn't have to blare over a PA system to call His
followers.
"We know when it's time to go to church; we pray constantly -- we
don't need a call to prayer. My life is a prayer, and I resent this."
Golen says if the situation was reversed and a local Christian church
asked permission to broadcast over a loudspeaker, they would be turned
down immediately. She and her husband says they plan to carry on the
fight to head off the ordinance.
Estimates are that about one-third of the population in Hamtramck is
Muslim. The Chicago Tribune says that while people of Polish descent
control the town's politics, the growth -- and perhaps the future --
of Hamtramck is driven by Muslims.
*****
Church bells have no religious significance? They ring people in for
service, just like the Islamic call.
And the bit where she says it's offensive to hear chants from a mosque
- may she remember that the next time someone complains about
Christian prayer at a public function.
/begin
She won't...Chrisrters never do. They are always right...billions of
people, practicing thousands of other religions are wrong...I guess
that's the cross they bear.
To protect my irony meter I have, removed the batteries, disassembled
it (no worries...I took plenty of photos...it's rather complicated),
placed the parts into a lead lined safe, some guy named Geordi set up
something called an "irony dispersal field"...whatever....oh, and I
shall STILL spend the week in Miami so I don't get hit with pieces
when this one goes up. Christers are pretty tough on these things.
zamboni
/end
seconds?
Stoney
"Designated Rascal and Rapscallion
and
SCAMPERMEISTER!"
When in doubt, SCAMPER about!
When things are fair, SCAMPER everywhere!
When things are rough, can't SCAMPER enough!
/end humour alert
alt.atheism military veteran #11
{so much for the 'no atheists in foxholes' rubbish}
Seconded
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"There is in every village a torch - the teacher; and an extinguisher-
the clergyman." [Victor Hugo]
The World Famous Tink. (I never heard of you either!!)
AA #2069 ASA#33 POPS# 8808
EAC Chairman, Division of Skydiving and Sushi consumption.
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29 Apr 2004 04:20:12 AM |
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In article <PYKdnV4t4vxy4hDdRVn-ig@comcast.com>,
Tink <kjgrish@comcast.net> wrote:
stoney wrote:
On Fri, 23 Apr 2004 16:05:04 -0500, zamboni30000@knowspamatyahoo.com,
Message ID: <el0j80t1pk9qvumauc0uc839j9egccq7cd@4ax.com> wrote in
alt.atheism;
Re: Irony Meter test: Islam should not be imposed on Christians
On Fri, 23 Apr 2004 19:45:44 GMT, L. Raymond
<baddaddress@mylinuxisp.com> wrote:
http://headlines.agapepress.org/archive/4/222004c.asp
By Chad Groening
A Michigan woman says as a Christian, she is offended that the city
council in her small community is poised to approve an ordinance that
would allow local mosques to broadcast calls for prayer over
loudspeakers.
The City Council of Hamtramck, Michigan, has given preliminary
approval to a mosque's plans to send out the Muslim call to prayer on
loudspeakers. The Bangladeshi al-Islah mosque wants to air the Arabic
call to prayer via loudspeakers five times a day, but has agreed not
to air them between 10:00 at night and 6:00 in the morning.
The Detroit suburb's city council is expected to give its final
approval at its April 27 meeting; if approved, the ordinance would
take effect on May 26.
Some Muslims say the call to prayer is the equivalent of church bells.
But opponents argue that church bells have no religious significance
and that allowing the Arabic call, which lasts less than two minutes,
unfairly elevates Islam above other religions.
Some Christian residents, like Joanne Golen, resent the city allowing
Muslims to impose their religion on everybody else. Golen feels her
rights are being violated.
"Allah is not my god -- my God is Jesus Christ, who is the Son of
God," she says. "And I feel it's against my constitutional rights to
have to hear this at sunrise, four more times at sunset, which may be
ten o'clock, blaring in my ears, telling me about their god."
Golen considers it offensive for her and other Christians to have to
hear chants from a mosque. "I do not impose Jesus on them because He's
quiet," the Hamtramck resident says. "Jesus calls in a quiet, gentle
voice -- He doesn't have to blare over a PA system to call His
followers.
"We know when it's time to go to church; we pray constantly -- we
don't need a call to prayer. My life is a prayer, and I resent this."
Golen says if the situation was reversed and a local Christian church
asked permission to broadcast over a loudspeaker, they would be turned
down immediately. She and her husband says they plan to carry on the
fight to head off the ordinance.
Estimates are that about one-third of the population in Hamtramck is
Muslim. The Chicago Tribune says that while people of Polish descent
control the town's politics, the growth -- and perhaps the future --
of Hamtramck is driven by Muslims.
*****
Church bells have no religious significance? They ring people in for
service, just like the Islamic call.
And the bit where she says it's offensive to hear chants from a mosque
- may she remember that the next time someone complains about
Christian prayer at a public function.
/begin
She won't...Chrisrters never do. They are always right...billions of
people, practicing thousands of other religions are wrong...I guess
that's the cross they bear.
To protect my irony meter I have, removed the batteries, disassembled
it (no worries...I took plenty of photos...it's rather complicated),
placed the parts into a lead lined safe, some guy named Geordi set up
something called an "irony dispersal field"...whatever....oh, and I
shall STILL spend the week in Miami so I don't get hit with pieces
when this one goes up. Christers are pretty tough on these things.
zamboni
/end
seconds?
Stoney
"Designated Rascal and Rapscallion
and
SCAMPERMEISTER!"
When in doubt, SCAMPER about!
When things are fair, SCAMPER everywhere!
When things are rough, can't SCAMPER enough!
/end humour alert
alt.atheism military veteran #11
{so much for the 'no atheists in foxholes' rubbish}
Seconded
Recorded.
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23 Apr 2004 04:39:49 PM |
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One day in alt.atheism, Also Sprach :
To protect my irony meter I have, removed the batteries, disassembled
it (no worries...I took plenty of photos...it's rather complicated),
placed the parts into a lead lined safe, some guy named Geordi set up
something called an "irony dispersal field"...whatever....oh, and I
shall STILL spend the week in Miami so I don't get hit with pieces
when this one goes up. Christers are pretty tough on these things.
Mine's just a stone tablet and a chisel. When the tablet breaks, it's time
for a new one. Cheap, but effective. I still need an upgrade.
--
Vic Sagerquist
aa#2011
Supervisor, EAC Department of little adhesive-backed "L" shaped
chrome-plastic doo-dads to add feet to Jesus fish department.
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Give a man a fish, and you'll feed him for a day.
Give him a religion, and he'll starve to death while praying for a fish.
--Timothy Jones
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23 Apr 2004 06:49:14 PM |
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On Fri, 23 Apr 2004 19:45:44 GMT, L. Raymond
<baddaddress@mylinuxisp.com> wrote:
http://headlines.agapepress.org/archive/4/222004c.asp
By Chad Groening
A Michigan woman says as a Christian, she is offended that the city
council in her small community is poised to approve an ordinance that
would allow local mosques to broadcast calls for prayer over
loudspeakers.
I would have lost an irony meter over this but I keep it unplugged
when surfing the links at www.fark.com as this high grade irony is all
too common there.
--
"The most merciful thing in the world, I think, is the inability
of the human mind to correlate all its contents." - H.P. Lovecraft
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23 Apr 2004 07:25:07 PM |
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On Fri, 23 Apr 2004 23:49:14 GMT, Johnny Bravo <wizardshut@cfl.rr.com>
wrote:
On Fri, 23 Apr 2004 19:45:44 GMT, L. Raymond
<baddaddress@mylinuxisp.com> wrote:
http://headlines.agapepress.org/archive/4/222004c.asp
By Chad Groening
A Michigan woman says as a Christian, she is offended that the city
council in her small community is poised to approve an ordinance that
would allow local mosques to broadcast calls for prayer over
loudspeakers.
I would have lost an irony meter over this but I keep it unplugged
when surfing the links at www.fark.com as this high grade irony is all
too common there.
Yeah! Fark. I visit it almost daily.
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| User: "Vic Sagerquist" |
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23 Apr 2004 04:01:05 PM |
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One day in alt.atheism, Also Sprach L. Raymond:
http://headlines.agapepress.org/archive/4/222004c.asp
By Chad Groening
A Michigan woman says as a Christian, she is offended that the city
council in her small community is poised to approve an ordinance that
would allow local mosques to broadcast calls for prayer over
loudspeakers.
There goes mine. Time for an upgrade.
--
Vic Sagerquist
aa#2011
Supervisor, EAC Department of little adhesive-backed "L" shaped
chrome-plastic doo-dads to add feet to Jesus fish department.
______________
Give a man a fish, and you'll feed him for a day.
Give him a religion, and he'll starve to death while praying for a fish.
--Timothy Jones
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23 Apr 2004 04:06:05 PM |
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On Fri, 23 Apr 2004 16:01:05 -0500, (Vic
Sagerquist) wrote:
One day in alt.atheism, Also Sprach L. Raymond:
http://headlines.agapepress.org/archive/4/222004c.asp
By Chad Groening
A Michigan woman says as a Christian, she is offended that the city
council in her small community is poised to approve an ordinance that
would allow local mosques to broadcast calls for prayer over
loudspeakers.
There goes mine. Time for an upgrade.
It won't help. :-(
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