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"MarkA" |
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17 Oct 2006 10:23:25 AM |
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Irrational Body Shop? |
On my way to work this morning, I passed a small Auto Body Repair shop.
From the outside, the shop looked professional: nice sign, adequate size
facility, etc. However, next to the sign for the body shop was a sign
advertising "American Longevity" products. I could not tell if it was the
same establishment, but the arrangement of the two signs suggested that it
was the body shop that also sold AL products.
For those not familiar with AL, it is a line of vitamin and mineral
supplements marketed by Dr. Joel Wallach, a veterinarian who believes that
most human diseases are caused by deficiencies of vitamins and minerals.
If you use his products regularly, you will live to be 120 years old,
and not suffer from arthritis, diabetes, heart disease, etc. His
marketing is pitched toward those inclined to mistrust the established
medical and scientific communities, stating that "Doctors and the
pharmaceutical industry want to keep people sick so they can make money
'treating' them with drugs."
Assuming that the body shop proprietor is also a sales agent for AL, would
you be concerned that his quirky beliefs would impact his ability to fix
your car?
--
MarkA
(still caught in the maze of twisty little passages, all different)
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| User: "LC" |
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| Title: Re: Irrational Body Shop? |
17 Oct 2006 10:50:42 AM |
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"MarkA" <manthony@stopspam.net> wrote in message
news:pan.2006.10.17.15.23.26.515161@stopspam.net...
On my way to work this morning, I passed a small Auto Body Repair shop.
From the outside, the shop looked professional: nice sign, adequate size
facility, etc. However, next to the sign for the body shop was a sign
advertising "American Longevity" products. I could not tell if it was the
same establishment, but the arrangement of the two signs suggested that it
was the body shop that also sold AL products.
For those not familiar with AL, it is a line of vitamin and mineral
supplements marketed by Dr. Joel Wallach, a veterinarian who believes that
most human diseases are caused by deficiencies of vitamins and minerals.
If you use his products regularly, you will live to be 120 years old,
and not suffer from arthritis, diabetes, heart disease, etc. His
marketing is pitched toward those inclined to mistrust the established
medical and scientific communities, stating that "Doctors and the
pharmaceutical industry want to keep people sick so they can make money
'treating' them with drugs."
Assuming that the body shop proprietor is also a sales agent for AL, would
you be concerned that his quirky beliefs would impact his ability to fix
your car?
If this is merely a rhetorical exercise, my own opinion would be "no".
My personal experience has been that tradesman's personal beliefs are no
indication of his ability to fix your car, plumb your house, etc.
A few years ago, I played owner/contractor in building my current house. I
hired all subs, checking their references and previous work.
The guy I awarded the stonework to turned out to be a bit of a John Birch
sort of nut. I humored him and listened to a few of his rants when he was
taking a break. I'd play a gentle devil's advocate when he got too far
afield, and he'd frequently concede that he hadn't really thought out all of
his points.
Regardless, he was an exceptional craftsman, and I get quite a few comments
on the quality of his work. I've recommended him to friends, and would have
no qualms as to hiring him again.
LC~ Different strokes, etc.
"Not everything that can be counted counts, and not everything that counts
can be counted."~ Sign on the door of Albert Einstein's office in Princeton.
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| User: "Big Dave" |
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| Title: Re: Irrational Body Shop? |
17 Oct 2006 05:43:50 PM |
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"MarkA" <manthony@stopspam.net> wrote in message
news:pan.2006.10.17.15.23.26.515161@stopspam.net...
On my way to work this morning, I passed a small Auto Body Repair shop.
From the outside, the shop looked professional: nice sign, adequate size
facility, etc. However, next to the sign for the body shop was a sign
advertising "American Longevity" products. I could not tell if it was the
same establishment, but the arrangement of the two signs suggested that it
was the body shop that also sold AL products.
For those not familiar with AL, it is a line of vitamin and mineral
supplements marketed by Dr. Joel Wallach, a veterinarian who believes that
most human diseases are caused by deficiencies of vitamins and minerals.
If you use his products regularly, you will live to be 120 years old,
and not suffer from arthritis, diabetes, heart disease, etc. His
marketing is pitched toward those inclined to mistrust the established
medical and scientific communities, stating that "Doctors and the
pharmaceutical industry want to keep people sick so they can make money
'treating' them with drugs."
Assuming that the body shop proprietor is also a sales agent for AL, would
you be concerned that his quirky beliefs would impact his ability to fix
your car?
--
MarkA
(still caught in the maze of twisty little passages, all different)
I don't know about AL, it seems similar to AMWAY, but maybe more
cultish.
I don't think that kind of thing would affect how well someone performs
their craft, but as to how they conduct their business, well, that's another
thing.
When I look in advertisements, and I see that the business had that little
xian fish added to it, I avoid them like they had the plague. Those folks
think that putting that fish on the ad tells folks that they're more honest
and virtuous than others because they're xians. Perhaps other xians fall for
it, thinking that a good xian wouldn't be immoral.
I find quite the opposite.
If you are a true believer deep into the jesus thing, then you're "working
for jesus". That means that your business has to be successful because gawd
wants you to be successful, being all saved and working for him and such. So
what if you pad the bill, make a few shortcuts, or use substandard parts?
It's all for the glory of gawd. Your success, come to by whatever means,
proves your in with the big JC, that he's lookin' out for you because your
doing it the way he wants. You're forgiven, and you have absolutely no guilt
about ripping people off because, after all, it *is* for his glory, right?
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| User: "stoney" |
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| Title: Re: Irrational Body Shop? |
20 Oct 2006 09:42:47 PM |
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On Tue, 17 Oct 2006 22:43:50 GMT, "Big Dave" <dhaap@houston.r.r.com>
wrote in alt.atheism
"MarkA" <manthony@stopspam.net> wrote in message
news:pan.2006.10.17.15.23.26.515161@stopspam.net...
On my way to work this morning, I passed a small Auto Body Repair shop.
From the outside, the shop looked professional: nice sign, adequate size
facility, etc. However, next to the sign for the body shop was a sign
advertising "American Longevity" products. I could not tell if it was the
same establishment, but the arrangement of the two signs suggested that it
was the body shop that also sold AL products.
For those not familiar with AL, it is a line of vitamin and mineral
supplements marketed by Dr. Joel Wallach, a veterinarian who believes that
most human diseases are caused by deficiencies of vitamins and minerals.
If you use his products regularly, you will live to be 120 years old,
and not suffer from arthritis, diabetes, heart disease, etc. His
marketing is pitched toward those inclined to mistrust the established
medical and scientific communities, stating that "Doctors and the
pharmaceutical industry want to keep people sick so they can make money
'treating' them with drugs."
Assuming that the body shop proprietor is also a sales agent for AL, would
you be concerned that his quirky beliefs would impact his ability to fix
your car?
--
MarkA
(still caught in the maze of twisty little passages, all different)
I don't know about AL, it seems similar to AMWAY, but maybe more
cultish.
I don't think that kind of thing would affect how well someone performs
their craft, but as to how they conduct their business, well, that's another
thing.
When I look in advertisements, and I see that the business had that little
xian fish added to it, I avoid them like they had the plague. Those folks
think that putting that fish on the ad tells folks that they're more honest
and virtuous than others because they're xians. Perhaps other xians fall for
it, thinking that a good xian wouldn't be immoral.
I find quite the opposite.
If you are a true believer deep into the jesus thing, then you're "working
for jesus". That means that your business has to be successful because gawd
wants you to be successful, being all saved and working for him and such. So
what if you pad the bill, make a few shortcuts, or use substandard parts?
It's all for the glory of gawd. Your success, come to by whatever means,
proves your in with the big JC, that he's lookin' out for you because your
doing it the way he wants. You're forgiven, and you have absolutely no guilt
about ripping people off because, after all, it *is* for his glory, right?
In the main, yes. A very devout Christian (good folks) retired from the
USAF and relocated back to his hometown in Southern Florida. Six months
later they relocated to Spokane, Washington. He couldn't handle the
sheer dishonesty and hypocrisy of the local business'.
--
Fundies and trolls are cordially invited to
shove a wooden cross up their arses and rotate
at a high rate of speed. I trust you'll
be 'blessed' with a plethora of splinters.
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| User: "Brian E. Clark" |
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| Title: Re: Irrational Body Shop? |
19 Oct 2006 07:23:16 PM |
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In article <pan.2006.10.17.15.23.26.515161@stopspam.net>, MarkA
said...
Assuming that the body shop proprietor is also a sales agent for AL, would
you be concerned that his quirky beliefs would impact his ability to fix
your car?
We should not assume that he is a poor mechanic, any more that a
Christian should mistrust an atheist doctor's medical skills
because of his lack of faith.
On the other hand, I might avoid the place simply to spare
myself the AL pitch.
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Brian E. Clark
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| User: "L. Raymond" |
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| Title: Re: Irrational Body Shop? |
17 Oct 2006 11:49:55 AM |
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MarkA wrote:
Assuming that the body shop proprietor is also a sales agent for AL, would
you be concerned that his quirky beliefs would impact his ability to fix
your car?
I wouldn't be worried. I've had lots of theists of varying devoutness
do work for me, and it was no better or worse than you'd expect. The
only person I would never rehire was a roofer who turned out to support
the Promise Keepers. I hadn't known that from anything that was said,
but learned it when I stopped by his office to have an adjustment made
to the contract. A woman supporting the Promise Keepers, even
indirectly, is like a black person supporting the Klan and I'll never
knowingly do it.
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L. Raymond
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| User: "stoney" |
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| Title: Re: Irrational Body Shop? |
20 Oct 2006 09:40:27 PM |
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On Tue, 17 Oct 2006 11:49:55 -0500, "L. Raymond"
<badaddress@mylinuxisp.com> wrote in alt.atheism
MarkA wrote:
Assuming that the body shop proprietor is also a sales agent for AL, would
you be concerned that his quirky beliefs would impact his ability to fix
your car?
I wouldn't be worried. I've had lots of theists of varying devoutness
do work for me, and it was no better or worse than you'd expect. The
only person I would never rehire was a roofer who turned out to support
the Promise Keepers. I hadn't known that from anything that was said,
but learned it when I stopped by his office to have an adjustment made
to the contract. A woman supporting the Promise Keepers, even
indirectly, is like a black person supporting the Klan and I'll never
knowingly do it.
Agreed.
--
Fundies and trolls are cordially invited to
shove a wooden cross up their arses and rotate
at a high rate of speed. I trust you'll
be 'blessed' with a plethora of splinters.
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| User: "J Forbes" |
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| Title: Re: Irrational Body Shop? |
17 Oct 2006 11:01:28 AM |
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MarkA wrote:
Assuming that the body shop proprietor is also a sales agent for AL, would
you be concerned that his quirky beliefs would impact his ability to fix
your car?
if he were a mechanic, he might prescribe odd preventetive
maintenance....but I don't see how this would affect bodywork.
Jim
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| User: "stoney" |
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| Title: Re: Irrational Body Shop? |
20 Oct 2006 09:39:12 PM |
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On Tue, 17 Oct 2006 15:23:25 GMT, MarkA <manthony@stopspam.net> wrote in
alt.atheism
On my way to work this morning, I passed a small Auto Body Repair shop.
From the outside, the shop looked professional: nice sign, adequate size
facility, etc. However, next to the sign for the body shop was a sign
advertising "American Longevity" products. I could not tell if it was the
same establishment, but the arrangement of the two signs suggested that it
was the body shop that also sold AL products.
For those not familiar with AL, it is a line of vitamin and mineral
supplements marketed by Dr. Joel Wallach, a veterinarian who believes that
most human diseases are caused by deficiencies of vitamins and minerals.
If you use his products regularly, you will live to be 120 years old,
and not suffer from arthritis, diabetes, heart disease, etc. His
marketing is pitched toward those inclined to mistrust the established
medical and scientific communities, stating that "Doctors and the
pharmaceutical industry want to keep people sick so they can make money
'treating' them with drugs."
Assuming that the body shop proprietor is also a sales agent for AL, would
you be concerned that his quirky beliefs would impact his ability to fix
your car?
Not really. I'd prefer to see some of a shops work, if I have the
option.
--
Fundies and trolls are cordially invited to
shove a wooden cross up their arses and rotate
at a high rate of speed. I trust you'll
be 'blessed' with a plethora of splinters.
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