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Religions > Atheism |
| User: |
"Jason Spaceman" |
| Date: |
17 Apr 2004 06:23:15 AM |
| Object: |
IRS raids Kent Hovind's home |
From the article:
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Internal Revenue Service agents are investigating a Pensacola man who operates a
creationist theme park and museum off Old Palafox Road and who they say is evading
taxes on more than $1 million in income.
This week, federal IRS agents raided the home and businesses of Kent Hovind, 51, in
the first block of Cummings Road, confiscating all computer and paper records of
financial activity since January 1997.
The creation-science evangelist argues against evolution around the world. He also
sells literature and videos supporting his views and charges admission to his
Pensacola theme park and museum through a number of entities.
But in a sworn statement made to obtain the search warrant served Wednesday, IRS
agent Scott Schneider said none of Hovind's enterprises has a business license in
Escambia County or has tax-exempt status as a nonprofit enterprise.
------------------------------
Read the rest at http://www.pensacolanewsjournal.com/news/041704/Local/ST006.shtml or
http://tinyurl.com/2jey5
J. Spaceman
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| User: "Claytie the Umpire Slayer" |
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| Title: Re: IRS raids Kent Hovind's home |
17 Apr 2004 05:41:10 PM |
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"Jason Spaceman" <notreally@jspaceman.homelinux.org> wrote in message
news:c5r472$4sqpn$1@ID-219258.news.uni-berlin.de...
From the article:
------------------------------
Internal Revenue Service agents are investigating a Pensacola man who
operates a
creationist theme park and museum off Old Palafox Road and who they say is
evading
taxes on more than $1 million in income.
This week, federal IRS agents raided the home and businesses of Kent
Hovind, 51, in
the first block of Cummings Road, confiscating all computer and paper
records of
financial activity since January 1997.
The creation-science evangelist argues against evolution around the world.
He also
sells literature and videos supporting his views and charges admission to
his
Pensacola theme park and museum through a number of entities.
But in a sworn statement made to obtain the search warrant served
Wednesday, IRS
agent Scott Schneider said none of Hovind's enterprises has a business
license in
Escambia County or has tax-exempt status as a nonprofit enterprise.
------------------------------
Read the rest at
http://www.pensacolanewsjournal.com/news/041704/Local/ST006.shtml or
http://tinyurl.com/2jey5
All together now....*AAAAAAAWWWWWW....POOOOR KENT*
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| User: "stoney" |
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| Title: Re: IRS raids Kent Hovind's home |
21 Apr 2004 10:55:10 PM |
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On Sat, 17 Apr 2004 22:41:10 +0000 (UTC), "Claytie the Umpire Slayer"
<cjfat@BLOCKINGOFTHESPAMphonyemail.com>, Message ID:
<4081b2fc$0$1990$afc38c87@news.optusnet.com.au> wrote in alt.atheism;
"Jason Spaceman" <notreally@jspaceman.homelinux.org> wrote in message
news:c5r472$4sqpn$1@ID-219258.news.uni-berlin.de...
From the article:
------------------------------
Internal Revenue Service agents are investigating a Pensacola man who
operates a
creationist theme park and museum off Old Palafox Road and who they say is
evading
taxes on more than $1 million in income.
This week, federal IRS agents raided the home and businesses of Kent
Hovind, 51, in
the first block of Cummings Road, confiscating all computer and paper
records of
financial activity since January 1997.
The creation-science evangelist argues against evolution around the world.
He also
sells literature and videos supporting his views and charges admission to
his
Pensacola theme park and museum through a number of entities.
But in a sworn statement made to obtain the search warrant served
Wednesday, IRS
agent Scott Schneider said none of Hovind's enterprises has a business
license in
Escambia County or has tax-exempt status as a nonprofit enterprise.
------------------------------
Read the rest at
http://www.pensacolanewsjournal.com/news/041704/Local/ST006.shtml or
http://tinyurl.com/2jey5
All together now....*AAAAAAAWWWWWW....POOOOR KENT*
***** that!
GO INFERNAL REVENUE SERVICE!
Butt ***** him good.
Stoney
"Designated Rascal and Rapscallion
and
SCAMPERMEISTER!"
When in doubt, SCAMPER about!
When things are fair, SCAMPER everywhere!
When things are rough, can't SCAMPER enough!
/end humour alert
alt.atheism military veteran #11
{so much for the 'no atheists in foxholes' rubbish}
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| User: "Roadrunner" |
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| Title: Re: IRS raids Kent Hovind's home |
18 Apr 2004 02:07:19 AM |
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"Jason Spaceman" <notreally@jspaceman.homelinux.org> wrote in message
news:c5r472$4sqpn$1@ID-219258.news.uni-berlin.de...
From the article:
------------------------------
Internal Revenue Service agents are investigating a Pensacola man who
operates a
creationist theme park and museum off Old Palafox Road and who they say is
evading
taxes on more than $1 million in income.
This week, federal IRS agents raided the home and businesses of Kent
Hovind, 51, in
the first block of Cummings Road, confiscating all computer and paper
records of
financial activity since January 1997.
The creation-science evangelist argues against evolution around the world.
He also
sells literature and videos supporting his views and charges admission to
his
Pensacola theme park and museum through a number of entities.
But in a sworn statement made to obtain the search warrant served
Wednesday, IRS
agent Scott Schneider said none of Hovind's enterprises has a business
license in
Escambia County or has tax-exempt status as a nonprofit enterprise.
------------------------------
Read the rest at
http://www.pensacolanewsjournal.com/news/041704/Local/ST006.shtml or
http://tinyurl.com/2jey5
What is the point you are making? There is another side of this.
http://www.cipherwar.com/news/01/16th_amendment.htm
Now who is actually the criminal here?
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| User: "Therion Ware" |
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| Title: Re: IRS raids Kent Hovind's home |
18 Apr 2004 02:50:16 AM |
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On Sun, 18 Apr 2004 07:07:19 +0000 (UTC) in talk.origins, Roadrunner
("Roadrunner" <pegasus@privat.utfors.se>) said, directing the reply to
talk.origins
"Jason Spaceman" <notreally@jspaceman.homelinux.org> wrote in message
news:c5r472$4sqpn$1@ID-219258.news.uni-berlin.de...
From the article:
------------------------------
Internal Revenue Service agents are investigating a Pensacola man who
operates a
creationist theme park and museum off Old Palafox Road and who they say is
evading
taxes on more than $1 million in income.
This week, federal IRS agents raided the home and businesses of Kent
Hovind, 51, in
the first block of Cummings Road, confiscating all computer and paper
records of
financial activity since January 1997.
The creation-science evangelist argues against evolution around the world.
He also
sells literature and videos supporting his views and charges admission to
his
Pensacola theme park and museum through a number of entities.
But in a sworn statement made to obtain the search warrant served
Wednesday, IRS
agent Scott Schneider said none of Hovind's enterprises has a business
license in
Escambia County or has tax-exempt status as a nonprofit enterprise.
------------------------------
Read the rest at
http://www.pensacolanewsjournal.com/news/041704/Local/ST006.shtml or
http://tinyurl.com/2jey5
What is the point you are making? There is another side of this.
http://www.cipherwar.com/news/01/16th_amendment.htm
Now who is actually the criminal here?
Hovind. See
http://www.irs.gov/businesses/small/article/0,,id=106509,00.html ,
particularly "V. Religious Arguments".
--
"Do Unto Others As You Would Have Them Do Unto You."
- Attrib: Pauline Reage.
Inexpensive VHS & other video to CD/DVD conversion?
See: <http://www.Video2CD.com>. 35.00 gets your video on DVD.
all posts to this email address are automatically deleted without being read.
** atheist poster child #1 ** #442.
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| User: "Roadrunner" |
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| Title: Re: IRS raids Kent Hovind's home |
18 Apr 2004 04:00:51 AM |
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"Therion Ware" <autodelete@city-of-dis.com> wrote in message
news:1uc480h2t30vqagfgeb3scs77o0ved8ia3@4ax.com...
On Sun, 18 Apr 2004 07:07:19 +0000 (UTC) in talk.origins, Roadrunner
("Roadrunner" <pegasus@privat.utfors.se>) said, directing the reply to
talk.origins
"Jason Spaceman" <notreally@jspaceman.homelinux.org> wrote in message
news:c5r472$4sqpn$1@ID-219258.news.uni-berlin.de...
From the article:
------------------------------
Internal Revenue Service agents are investigating a Pensacola man who
operates a
creationist theme park and museum off Old Palafox Road and who they say
is
evading
taxes on more than $1 million in income.
This week, federal IRS agents raided the home and businesses of Kent
Hovind, 51, in
the first block of Cummings Road, confiscating all computer and paper
records of
financial activity since January 1997.
The creation-science evangelist argues against evolution around the
world.
He also
sells literature and videos supporting his views and charges admission
to
his
Pensacola theme park and museum through a number of entities.
But in a sworn statement made to obtain the search warrant served
Wednesday, IRS
agent Scott Schneider said none of Hovind's enterprises has a business
license in
Escambia County or has tax-exempt status as a nonprofit enterprise.
------------------------------
Read the rest at
http://www.pensacolanewsjournal.com/news/041704/Local/ST006.shtml or
http://tinyurl.com/2jey5
What is the point you are making? There is another side of this.
http://www.cipherwar.com/news/01/16th_amendment.htm
Now who is actually the criminal here?
Hovind. See
http://www.irs.gov/businesses/small/article/0,,id=106509,00.html ,
particularly "V. Religious Arguments".
Another jerk who does not even look! ANY attack legal or illegal on Hovind
is allowed, no? He is a menace and he has a point in what he is saying, he
is a threat to your evolution religion, so he has to get rid of at ANY cost!
The IRS itself is ILLEGAL!
--
"Do Unto Others As You Would Have Them Do Unto You."
- Attrib: Pauline Reage.
Inexpensive VHS & other video to CD/DVD conversion?
See: <http://www.Video2CD.com>. 35.00 gets your video on DVD.
all posts to this email address are automatically deleted without being
read.
** atheist poster child #1 ** #442.
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| User: "Therion Ware" |
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| Title: Re: IRS raids Kent Hovind's home |
18 Apr 2004 05:41:14 AM |
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On Sun, 18 Apr 2004 09:00:51 +0000 (UTC) in alt.atheism, Roadrunner
("Roadrunner" <pegasus@privat.utfors.se>) said, directing the reply to
alt.atheism
"Therion Ware" <autodelete@city-of-dis.com> wrote in message
news:1uc480h2t30vqagfgeb3scs77o0ved8ia3@4ax.com...
On Sun, 18 Apr 2004 07:07:19 +0000 (UTC) in talk.origins, Roadrunner
("Roadrunner" <pegasus@privat.utfors.se>) said, directing the reply to
talk.origins
"Jason Spaceman" <notreally@jspaceman.homelinux.org> wrote in message
news:c5r472$4sqpn$1@ID-219258.news.uni-berlin.de...
From the article:
------------------------------
Internal Revenue Service agents are investigating a Pensacola man who
operates a
creationist theme park and museum off Old Palafox Road and who they say
is
evading
taxes on more than $1 million in income.
This week, federal IRS agents raided the home and businesses of Kent
Hovind, 51, in
the first block of Cummings Road, confiscating all computer and paper
records of
financial activity since January 1997.
The creation-science evangelist argues against evolution around the
world.
He also
sells literature and videos supporting his views and charges admission
to
his
Pensacola theme park and museum through a number of entities.
But in a sworn statement made to obtain the search warrant served
Wednesday, IRS
agent Scott Schneider said none of Hovind's enterprises has a business
license in
Escambia County or has tax-exempt status as a nonprofit enterprise.
------------------------------
Read the rest at
http://www.pensacolanewsjournal.com/news/041704/Local/ST006.shtml or
http://tinyurl.com/2jey5
What is the point you are making? There is another side of this.
http://www.cipherwar.com/news/01/16th_amendment.htm
Now who is actually the criminal here?
Hovind. See
http://www.irs.gov/businesses/small/article/0,,id=106509,00.html ,
particularly "V. Religious Arguments".
Another jerk who does not even look!
Which is presumably why I referred you to the IRS website that deals
with the 16th amendment issue and several other attempted dodges.
ANY attack legal or illegal on Hovind is allowed, no?
Hovind, like any US citizen is afforded the protection of the US
constitution and the common law (whatever that's worth these days) but
enjoys no special immunity should he break the law. The IRS were
presumably able to produce reasonable grounds to a judge who issued
the warrant pursuant to their investigation. No doubt if and when the
matters come to trial we'll see whether the investigation was
justified and legal.
He is a menace and he has a point in what he is saying,
What, "gimmie, gimmie, gimmie"?
he
is a threat to your evolution religion, so he has to get rid of at ANY cost!
The IRS itself is ILLEGAL!
Apparently the US courts disagree. Who Should I believe, I wonder, you
or them, particularly given that your view of religion is apparently
analogous to your views on taxation, which in turn can be summed up in
two words: "Me! Mine!".
--
"Do Unto Others As You Would Have Them Do Unto You."
- Attrib: Pauline Reage.
Inexpensive VHS & other video to CD/DVD conversion?
See: <http://www.Video2CD.com>. 35.00 gets your video on DVD.
all posts to this email address are automatically deleted without being read.
** atheist poster child #1 ** #442.
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| User: "Roadrunner" |
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| Title: Re: IRS raids Kent Hovind's home |
18 Apr 2004 06:43:31 AM |
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"Therion Ware" <autodelete@city-of-dis.com> wrote in message
news:58m4801065etr52ut0ms5nrjrngbiklnt8@4ax.com...
On Sun, 18 Apr 2004 09:00:51 +0000 (UTC) in alt.atheism, Roadrunner
("Roadrunner" <pegasus@privat.utfors.se>) said, directing the reply to
alt.atheism
"Therion Ware" <autodelete@city-of-dis.com> wrote in message
news:1uc480h2t30vqagfgeb3scs77o0ved8ia3@4ax.com...
On Sun, 18 Apr 2004 07:07:19 +0000 (UTC) in talk.origins, Roadrunner
("Roadrunner" <pegasus@privat.utfors.se>) said, directing the reply to
talk.origins
"Jason Spaceman" <notreally@jspaceman.homelinux.org> wrote in message
news:c5r472$4sqpn$1@ID-219258.news.uni-berlin.de...
From the article:
------------------------------
Internal Revenue Service agents are investigating a Pensacola man
who
operates a
creationist theme park and museum off Old Palafox Road and who they
say
is
evading
taxes on more than $1 million in income.
This week, federal IRS agents raided the home and businesses of Kent
Hovind, 51, in
the first block of Cummings Road, confiscating all computer and
paper
records of
financial activity since January 1997.
The creation-science evangelist argues against evolution around the
world.
He also
sells literature and videos supporting his views and charges
admission
to
his
Pensacola theme park and museum through a number of entities.
But in a sworn statement made to obtain the search warrant served
Wednesday, IRS
agent Scott Schneider said none of Hovind's enterprises has a
business
license in
Escambia County or has tax-exempt status as a nonprofit enterprise.
------------------------------
Read the rest at
http://www.pensacolanewsjournal.com/news/041704/Local/ST006.shtml or
http://tinyurl.com/2jey5
What is the point you are making? There is another side of this.
http://www.cipherwar.com/news/01/16th_amendment.htm
Now who is actually the criminal here?
Hovind. See
http://www.irs.gov/businesses/small/article/0,,id=106509,00.html ,
particularly "V. Religious Arguments".
Another jerk who does not even look!
Which is presumably why I referred you to the IRS website that deals
with the 16th amendment issue and several other attempted dodges.
ANY attack legal or illegal on Hovind is allowed, no?
Hovind, like any US citizen is afforded the protection of the US
constitution and the common law (whatever that's worth these days) but
enjoys no special immunity should he break the law. The IRS were
presumably able to produce reasonable grounds to a judge who issued
the warrant pursuant to their investigation. No doubt if and when the
matters come to trial we'll see whether the investigation was
justified and legal.
He is a menace and he has a point in what he is saying,
What, "gimmie, gimmie, gimmie"?
he
is a threat to your evolution religion, so he has to get rid of at ANY
cost!
The IRS itself is ILLEGAL!
Apparently the US courts disagree. Who Should I believe, I wonder, you
or them, particularly given that your view of religion is apparently
analogous to your views on taxation, which in turn can be summed up in
two words: "Me! Mine!".
Naturally.
--
"Do Unto Others As You Would Have Them Do Unto You."
- Attrib: Pauline Reage.
Inexpensive VHS & other video to CD/DVD conversion?
See: <http://www.Video2CD.com>. 35.00 gets your video on DVD.
all posts to this email address are automatically deleted without being
read.
** atheist poster child #1 ** #442.
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| User: "Roadrunner" |
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| Title: Re: IRS raids Kent Hovind's home |
18 Apr 2004 04:12:00 AM |
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"Roadrunner" <pegasus@privat.utfors.se> wrote in message
news:dvrgc.56436$mU6.233199@newsb.telia.net...
"Therion Ware" <autodelete@city-of-dis.com> wrote in message
news:1uc480h2t30vqagfgeb3scs77o0ved8ia3@4ax.com...
On Sun, 18 Apr 2004 07:07:19 +0000 (UTC) in talk.origins, Roadrunner
("Roadrunner" <pegasus@privat.utfors.se>) said, directing the reply to
talk.origins
"Jason Spaceman" <notreally@jspaceman.homelinux.org> wrote in message
news:c5r472$4sqpn$1@ID-219258.news.uni-berlin.de...
From the article:
------------------------------
Internal Revenue Service agents are investigating a Pensacola man who
operates a
creationist theme park and museum off Old Palafox Road and who they
say
is
evading
taxes on more than $1 million in income.
This week, federal IRS agents raided the home and businesses of Kent
Hovind, 51, in
the first block of Cummings Road, confiscating all computer and paper
records of
financial activity since January 1997.
The creation-science evangelist argues against evolution around the
world.
He also
sells literature and videos supporting his views and charges
admission
to
his
Pensacola theme park and museum through a number of entities.
But in a sworn statement made to obtain the search warrant served
Wednesday, IRS
agent Scott Schneider said none of Hovind's enterprises has a
business
license in
Escambia County or has tax-exempt status as a nonprofit enterprise.
------------------------------
Read the rest at
http://www.pensacolanewsjournal.com/news/041704/Local/ST006.shtml or
http://tinyurl.com/2jey5
What is the point you are making? There is another side of this.
http://www.cipherwar.com/news/01/16th_amendment.htm
Now who is actually the criminal here?
Hovind. See
http://www.irs.gov/businesses/small/article/0,,id=106509,00.html ,
particularly "V. Religious Arguments".
Another jerk who does not even look! ANY attack legal or illegal on
Hovind
is allowed, no? He is a menace and he has a point in what he is saying, he
is a threat to your evolution religion, so he has to get rid of at ANY
cost!
The IRS itself is ILLEGAL!
I forgot to say that I di look at that site. However It only states their
opinion, none which are supported by actual reference. At one time I went
into this IRS 16 amendment thing in detail. Due to Scientology getting into
some agreement with them and getting tax exemption and all that.. I found
that intentionally some original writings of L. Ron Hubbard has been altered
to support such a thing.
I would say: "Don't believe all that people state, do your own research and
really get to the bottom of things!" Indeed, few, very, very, very few do
take this effort!
--
"Do Unto Others As You Would Have Them Do Unto You."
- Attrib: Pauline Reage.
Inexpensive VHS & other video to CD/DVD conversion?
See: <http://www.Video2CD.com>. 35.00 gets your video on DVD.
all posts to this email address are automatically deleted without being
read.
** atheist poster child #1 ** #442.
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| User: "Mike Dworetsky" |
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| Title: Re: IRS raids Kent Hovind's home |
18 Apr 2004 06:07:53 AM |
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"Roadrunner" <pegasus@privat.utfors.se> wrote in message
news:JFrgc.56438$mU6.233084@newsb.telia.net...
"Roadrunner" <pegasus@privat.utfors.se> wrote in message
news:dvrgc.56436$mU6.233199@newsb.telia.net...
"Therion Ware" <autodelete@city-of-dis.com> wrote in message
news:1uc480h2t30vqagfgeb3scs77o0ved8ia3@4ax.com...
On Sun, 18 Apr 2004 07:07:19 +0000 (UTC) in talk.origins, Roadrunner
("Roadrunner" <pegasus@privat.utfors.se>) said, directing the reply to
talk.origins
"Jason Spaceman" <notreally@jspaceman.homelinux.org> wrote in message
news:c5r472$4sqpn$1@ID-219258.news.uni-berlin.de...
From the article:
------------------------------
Internal Revenue Service agents are investigating a Pensacola man
who
operates a
creationist theme park and museum off Old Palafox Road and who they
say
is
evading
taxes on more than $1 million in income.
This week, federal IRS agents raided the home and businesses of
Kent
Hovind, 51, in
the first block of Cummings Road, confiscating all computer and
paper
records of
financial activity since January 1997.
The creation-science evangelist argues against evolution around the
world.
He also
sells literature and videos supporting his views and charges
admission
to
his
Pensacola theme park and museum through a number of entities.
But in a sworn statement made to obtain the search warrant served
Wednesday, IRS
agent Scott Schneider said none of Hovind's enterprises has a
business
license in
Escambia County or has tax-exempt status as a nonprofit enterprise.
------------------------------
Read the rest at
http://www.pensacolanewsjournal.com/news/041704/Local/ST006.shtml or
http://tinyurl.com/2jey5
What is the point you are making? There is another side of this.
http://www.cipherwar.com/news/01/16th_amendment.htm
Now who is actually the criminal here?
Hovind. See
http://www.irs.gov/businesses/small/article/0,,id=106509,00.html ,
particularly "V. Religious Arguments".
Another jerk who does not even look! ANY attack legal or illegal on
Hovind
is allowed, no? He is a menace and he has a point in what he is saying,
he
is a threat to your evolution religion, so he has to get rid of at ANY
cost!
The IRS itself is ILLEGAL!
I forgot to say that I di look at that site. However It only states their
opinion, none which are supported by actual reference. At one time I went
into this IRS 16 amendment thing in detail. Due to Scientology getting
into
some agreement with them and getting tax exemption and all that.. I found
that intentionally some original writings of L. Ron Hubbard has been
altered
to support such a thing.
I would say: "Don't believe all that people state, do your own research
and
really get to the bottom of things!" Indeed, few, very, very, very few do
take this effort!
They didn't supply references? You need references? What happened to "the
evidence is just an unimportant detail"? If anyone who lives in the US
believes RoadRunner, or has any doubts about the legal status of the IRS,
they should consult a good tax lawyer rather than listen to a Net kook. It
could save them a lengthy court trial, embarrassment, and severe costs.
Let's see, you are saying that we should ignore the constitution, the
voluminous case law behind the IRS (did you read US Code Title 26?),
numerous court decisions that would go against you, and accept all this
without you even citing one valid reference?
--
Mike Dworetsky
(Remove "pants" spamblock to send e-mail)
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| User: "Roadrunner" |
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| Title: Re: IRS raids Kent Hovind's home |
18 Apr 2004 06:43:54 AM |
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"Mike Dworetsky" <platinum198@pants.btinternet.com> wrote in message
news:c5tnci$pa0$1@titan.btinternet.com...
"Roadrunner" <pegasus@privat.utfors.se> wrote in message
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"Roadrunner" <pegasus@privat.utfors.se> wrote in message
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"Therion Ware" <autodelete@city-of-dis.com> wrote in message
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On Sun, 18 Apr 2004 07:07:19 +0000 (UTC) in talk.origins,
Roadrunner
("Roadrunner" <pegasus@privat.utfors.se>) said, directing the reply
to
talk.origins
"Jason Spaceman" <notreally@jspaceman.homelinux.org> wrote in
message
news:c5r472$4sqpn$1@ID-219258.news.uni-berlin.de...
From the article:
------------------------------
Internal Revenue Service agents are investigating a Pensacola man
who
operates a
creationist theme park and museum off Old Palafox Road and who
they
say
is
evading
taxes on more than $1 million in income.
This week, federal IRS agents raided the home and businesses of
Kent
Hovind, 51, in
the first block of Cummings Road, confiscating all computer and
paper
records of
financial activity since January 1997.
The creation-science evangelist argues against evolution around
the
world.
He also
sells literature and videos supporting his views and charges
admission
to
his
Pensacola theme park and museum through a number of entities.
But in a sworn statement made to obtain the search warrant served
Wednesday, IRS
agent Scott Schneider said none of Hovind's enterprises has a
business
license in
Escambia County or has tax-exempt status as a nonprofit
enterprise.
------------------------------
Read the rest at
http://www.pensacolanewsjournal.com/news/041704/Local/ST006.shtml
or
http://tinyurl.com/2jey5
What is the point you are making? There is another side of this.
http://www.cipherwar.com/news/01/16th_amendment.htm
Now who is actually the criminal here?
Hovind. See
http://www.irs.gov/businesses/small/article/0,,id=106509,00.html ,
particularly "V. Religious Arguments".
Another jerk who does not even look! ANY attack legal or illegal on
Hovind
is allowed, no? He is a menace and he has a point in what he is
saying,
he
is a threat to your evolution religion, so he has to get rid of at ANY
cost!
The IRS itself is ILLEGAL!
I forgot to say that I di look at that site. However It only states
their
opinion, none which are supported by actual reference. At one time I
went
into this IRS 16 amendment thing in detail. Due to Scientology getting
into
some agreement with them and getting tax exemption and all that.. I
found
that intentionally some original writings of L. Ron Hubbard has been
altered
to support such a thing.
I would say: "Don't believe all that people state, do your own research
and
really get to the bottom of things!" Indeed, few, very, very, very few
do
take this effort!
They didn't supply references? You need references? What happened to "the
evidence is just an unimportant detail"? If anyone who lives in the US
believes RoadRunner, or has any doubts about the legal status of the IRS,
they should consult a good tax lawyer rather than listen to a Net kook.
It
could save them a lengthy court trial, embarrassment, and severe costs.
Let's see, you are saying that we should ignore the constitution, the
voluminous case law behind the IRS (did you read US Code Title 26?),
numerous court decisions that would go against you, and accept all this
without you even citing one valid reference?
It's this simple. I would not rely too much some IRS site that does some
propaganda for themselves. They would hardly give objective information
about this situation. Let people find out for themselves will we? They got
some site addresses now.
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| User: "Therion Ware" |
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| Title: Re: IRS raids Kent Hovind's home |
18 Apr 2004 07:01:33 AM |
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On Sun, 18 Apr 2004 11:43:54 +0000 (UTC) in alt.atheism, Roadrunner
("Roadrunner" <pegasus@privat.utfors.se>) said, directing the reply to
alt.atheism
"Mike Dworetsky" <platinum198@pants.btinternet.com> wrote in message
news:c5tnci$pa0$1@titan.btinternet.com...
"Roadrunner" <pegasus@privat.utfors.se> wrote in message
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"Roadrunner" <pegasus@privat.utfors.se> wrote in message
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"Therion Ware" <autodelete@city-of-dis.com> wrote in message
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On Sun, 18 Apr 2004 07:07:19 +0000 (UTC) in talk.origins,
Roadrunner
("Roadrunner" <pegasus@privat.utfors.se>) said, directing the reply
to
talk.origins
"Jason Spaceman" <notreally@jspaceman.homelinux.org> wrote in
message
news:c5r472$4sqpn$1@ID-219258.news.uni-berlin.de...
From the article:
------------------------------
Internal Revenue Service agents are investigating a Pensacola man
who
operates a
creationist theme park and museum off Old Palafox Road and who
they
say
is
evading
taxes on more than $1 million in income.
This week, federal IRS agents raided the home and businesses of
Kent
Hovind, 51, in
the first block of Cummings Road, confiscating all computer and
paper
records of
financial activity since January 1997.
The creation-science evangelist argues against evolution around
the
world.
He also
sells literature and videos supporting his views and charges
admission
to
his
Pensacola theme park and museum through a number of entities.
But in a sworn statement made to obtain the search warrant served
Wednesday, IRS
agent Scott Schneider said none of Hovind's enterprises has a
business
license in
Escambia County or has tax-exempt status as a nonprofit
enterprise.
------------------------------
Read the rest at
http://www.pensacolanewsjournal.com/news/041704/Local/ST006.shtml
or
http://tinyurl.com/2jey5
What is the point you are making? There is another side of this.
http://www.cipherwar.com/news/01/16th_amendment.htm
Now who is actually the criminal here?
Hovind. See
http://www.irs.gov/businesses/small/article/0,,id=106509,00.html ,
particularly "V. Religious Arguments".
Another jerk who does not even look! ANY attack legal or illegal on
Hovind
is allowed, no? He is a menace and he has a point in what he is
saying,
he
is a threat to your evolution religion, so he has to get rid of at ANY
cost!
The IRS itself is ILLEGAL!
I forgot to say that I di look at that site. However It only states
their
opinion, none which are supported by actual reference. At one time I
went
into this IRS 16 amendment thing in detail. Due to Scientology getting
into
some agreement with them and getting tax exemption and all that.. I
found
that intentionally some original writings of L. Ron Hubbard has been
altered
to support such a thing.
I would say: "Don't believe all that people state, do your own research
and
really get to the bottom of things!" Indeed, few, very, very, very few
do
take this effort!
They didn't supply references? You need references? What happened to "the
evidence is just an unimportant detail"? If anyone who lives in the US
believes RoadRunner, or has any doubts about the legal status of the IRS,
they should consult a good tax lawyer rather than listen to a Net kook.
It
could save them a lengthy court trial, embarrassment, and severe costs.
Let's see, you are saying that we should ignore the constitution, the
voluminous case law behind the IRS (did you read US Code Title 26?),
numerous court decisions that would go against you, and accept all this
without you even citing one valid reference?
It's this simple. I would not rely too much some IRS site that does some
propaganda for themselves. They would hardly give objective information
about this situation. Let people find out for themselves will we? They got
some site addresses now.
Here's one more that's worth reading before embarking on a tax
strategy that'll end in tears.
http://www.fraudsandscams.com/tax.htm
--
"Do Unto Others As You Would Have Them Do Unto You."
- Attrib: Pauline Reage.
Inexpensive VHS & other video to CD/DVD conversion?
See: <http://www.Video2CD.com>. 35.00 gets your video on DVD.
all posts to this email address are automatically deleted without being read.
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| User: "Douglas Berry" |
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| Title: Re: IRS raids Kent Hovind's home |
18 Apr 2004 10:18:37 AM |
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Lo, many moons past, on Sun, 18 Apr 2004 12:01:33 +0000 (UTC), a
stranger called by some Therion Ware <autodelete@city-of-dis.com>
came forth and told this tale in alt.atheism
On Sun, 18 Apr 2004 11:43:54 +0000 (UTC) in alt.atheism, Roadrunner
("Roadrunner" <pegasus@privat.utfors.se>) said, directing the reply to
alt.atheism
It's this simple. I would not rely too much some IRS site that does some
propaganda for themselves. They would hardly give objective information
about this situation. Let people find out for themselves will we? They got
some site addresses now.
Here's one more that's worth reading before embarking on a tax
strategy that'll end in tears.
http://www.fraudsandscams.com/tax.htm
This one is excellent, as it demolishes the entire tax protestor
argument point by point.
http://evans-legal.com/dan/tpfaq.html
--
Douglas Berry Do the OBVIOUS thing to send e-mail
Atheist #2147, Atheist Vet #5
Ezekiel 13:20 "Wherefore thus saith the
Lord GOD; Behold, I am against your pillows"
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| User: "Therion Ware" |
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| Title: Re: IRS raids Kent Hovind's home |
18 Apr 2004 11:07:12 AM |
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On Sun, 18 Apr 2004 15:18:37 +0000 (UTC) in talk.origins, Douglas
Berry (Douglas Berry <penguin_boy@mindOBVIOUSspring.com>) said,
directing the reply to talk.origins
Lo, many moons past, on Sun, 18 Apr 2004 12:01:33 +0000 (UTC), a
stranger called by some Therion Ware <autodelete@city-of-dis.com>
came forth and told this tale in alt.atheism
On Sun, 18 Apr 2004 11:43:54 +0000 (UTC) in alt.atheism, Roadrunner
("Roadrunner" <pegasus@privat.utfors.se>) said, directing the reply to
alt.atheism
It's this simple. I would not rely too much some IRS site that does some
propaganda for themselves. They would hardly give objective information
about this situation. Let people find out for themselves will we? They got
some site addresses now.
Here's one more that's worth reading before embarking on a tax
strategy that'll end in tears.
http://www.fraudsandscams.com/tax.htm
This one is excellent, as it demolishes the entire tax protestor
argument point by point.
The whole site is excellent. I particularly liked the bit on "Affinity
Frauds":
http://www.fraudsandscams.com/affinity.htm
"Religious organizations are also a common target. In the case of
Greater Ministries International Church (GMI), they bilked
fundamentalist Christians out of half a billion dollars. The promoters
piously quoted scripture in support of their schemes. The faithful
were told, "Give, and it shall be given unto you." Luke 6:38".
http://evans-legal.com/dan/tpfaq.html
--
"Do Unto Others As You Would Have Them Do Unto You."
- Attrib: Pauline Reage.
Inexpensive VHS & other video to CD/DVD conversion?
See: <http://www.Video2CD.com>. 35.00 gets your video on DVD.
all posts to this email address are automatically deleted without being read.
** atheist poster child #1 ** #442.
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| User: "Walter Bushell" |
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| Title: Re: IRS raids Kent Hovind's home |
23 Apr 2004 12:50:24 PM |
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In article <kt95809rnn23tvk1c97v7vdg9s9k8r40vu@4ax.com>,
Therion Ware <autodelete@city-of-dis.com> wrote:
<snip>
The faithful
were told, "Give, and it shall be given unto you." Luke 6:38".
<Snip>
hmm, if that isn't true, then Jesus was a scam artist too?
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| User: "Mike Dworetsky" |
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| Title: Re: IRS raids Kent Hovind's home |
18 Apr 2004 04:16:29 PM |
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"Roadrunner" <pegasus@privat.utfors.se> wrote in message
news:KStgc.90103$dP1.271684@newsc.telia.net...
"Mike Dworetsky" <platinum198@pants.btinternet.com> wrote in message
news:c5tnci$pa0$1@titan.btinternet.com...
"Roadrunner" <pegasus@privat.utfors.se> wrote in message
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"Therion Ware" <autodelete@city-of-dis.com> wrote in message
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On Sun, 18 Apr 2004 07:07:19 +0000 (UTC) in talk.origins,
Roadrunner
("Roadrunner" <pegasus@privat.utfors.se>) said, directing the
reply
to
talk.origins
"Jason Spaceman" <notreally@jspaceman.homelinux.org> wrote in
message
news:c5r472$4sqpn$1@ID-219258.news.uni-berlin.de...
From the article:
------------------------------
Internal Revenue Service agents are investigating a Pensacola
man
who
operates a
creationist theme park and museum off Old Palafox Road and who
they
say
is
evading
taxes on more than $1 million in income.
This week, federal IRS agents raided the home and businesses of
Kent
Hovind, 51, in
the first block of Cummings Road, confiscating all computer and
paper
records of
financial activity since January 1997.
The creation-science evangelist argues against evolution around
the
world.
He also
sells literature and videos supporting his views and charges
admission
to
his
Pensacola theme park and museum through a number of entities.
But in a sworn statement made to obtain the search warrant
served
Wednesday, IRS
agent Scott Schneider said none of Hovind's enterprises has a
business
license in
Escambia County or has tax-exempt status as a nonprofit
enterprise.
------------------------------
Read the rest at
http://www.pensacolanewsjournal.com/news/041704/Local/ST006.shtml
or
http://tinyurl.com/2jey5
What is the point you are making? There is another side of this.
http://www.cipherwar.com/news/01/16th_amendment.htm
Now who is actually the criminal here?
Hovind. See
http://www.irs.gov/businesses/small/article/0,,id=106509,00.html ,
particularly "V. Religious Arguments".
Another jerk who does not even look! ANY attack legal or illegal on
Hovind
is allowed, no? He is a menace and he has a point in what he is
saying,
he
is a threat to your evolution religion, so he has to get rid of at
ANY
cost!
The IRS itself is ILLEGAL!
I forgot to say that I di look at that site. However It only states
their
opinion, none which are supported by actual reference. At one time I
went
into this IRS 16 amendment thing in detail. Due to Scientology getting
into
some agreement with them and getting tax exemption and all that.. I
found
that intentionally some original writings of L. Ron Hubbard has been
altered
to support such a thing.
I would say: "Don't believe all that people state, do your own
research
and
really get to the bottom of things!" Indeed, few, very, very, very
few
do
take this effort!
They didn't supply references? You need references? What happened to
"the
evidence is just an unimportant detail"? If anyone who lives in the US
believes RoadRunner, or has any doubts about the legal status of the
IRS,
they should consult a good tax lawyer rather than listen to a Net kook.
It
could save them a lengthy court trial, embarrassment, and severe costs.
Let's see, you are saying that we should ignore the constitution, the
voluminous case law behind the IRS (did you read US Code Title 26?),
numerous court decisions that would go against you, and accept all this
without you even citing one valid reference?
It's this simple. I would not rely too much some IRS site that does some
propaganda for themselves. They would hardly give objective information
about this situation. Let people find out for themselves will we? They
got
some site addresses now.
Maybe before you advise someone to listen to your ravings you should visit
the following web page:
http://www.fraudsandscams.com/sixteenth.htm
The argument that somehow the 16th amendment is null due to a technicality
has been repeatedly rejected by the US Supreme Court. I don't know how they
do it where you are, but the US and UK rely on precedent and case law when
arguing legal situations. These cases, in which decisions of a similar
nature for similar legal situations, mean that any future cases of this type
will be treated pretty much the same way, in order not to waste the court's
valuable time.
Even without the 16th amendment, some form of income tax would be legal, but
it would have to be levied state by state, by state population, rather than
by income on a national basis, so people in states with low personal incomes
would find their citizens paying the highest percentage tax.
I conclude that only three things appear certain in this world:
Death
Taxes
Creationist lunacy
--
Mike Dworetsky
(Remove "pants" spamblock to send e-mail)
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| User: "Walter Bushell" |
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| Title: Re: IRS raids Kent Hovind's home |
23 Apr 2004 12:19:22 PM |
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In article <c5ur8v$6gr$1@titan.btinternet.com>,
"Mike Dworetsky" <platinum198@pants.btinternet.com> wrote:
I conclude that only three things appear certain in this world:
Death
Taxes
Creationist lunacy
--
Mike Dworetsky
Four things Death, Taxes, Creationist lunacy and Trolls.
Seven things Death, Taxes, Creationist lunacy Trolls Spam, Spam and Spam.
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| User: "John Wilkins" |
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| Title: Re: IRS raids Kent Hovind's home |
23 Apr 2004 07:58:26 PM |
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Walter Bushell <proto@panix.com> wrote:
In article <c5ur8v$6gr$1@titan.btinternet.com>,
"Mike Dworetsky" <platinum198@pants.btinternet.com> wrote:
I conclude that only three things appear certain in this world:
Death
Taxes
Creationist lunacy
--
Mike Dworetsky
Four things Death, Taxes, Creationist lunacy and Trolls.
Seven things Death, Taxes, Creationist lunacy Trolls Spam, Spam and Spam.
I read this as "Death in Texas, Creationist Lunacy..."
--
John Wilkins
john_SPAM@wilkins.id.au http://www.wilkins.id.au
"Men mark it when they hit, but do not mark it when they miss"
- Francis Bacon
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| User: "Walter Bushell" |
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| Title: Re: IRS raids Kent Hovind's home |
27 Apr 2004 03:29:48 PM |
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In article <1gcqq7o.u4qpu717hvbrbN%>,
(John Wilkins) wrote:
Walter Bushell <proto@panix.com> wrote:
In article <c5ur8v$6gr$1@titan.btinternet.com>,
"Mike Dworetsky" <platinum198@pants.btinternet.com> wrote:
I conclude that only three things appear certain in this world:
Death
Taxes
Creationist lunacy
--
Mike Dworetsky
Four things Death, Taxes, Creationist lunacy and Trolls.
Seven things Death, Taxes, Creationist lunacy Trolls Spam, Spam and Spam.
I read this as "Death in Texas, Creationist Lunacy..."
Now that was a full Monty. I admit it; you do a better Monty Python than
I do.
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| User: "Kermit" |
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| Title: Re: IRS raids Kent Hovind's home |
19 Apr 2004 12:27:40 PM |
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"Roadrunner" <pegasus@privat.utfors.se> wrote in message news:<dvrgc.56436$mU6.233199@newsb.telia.net>...
"Therion Ware" <autodelete@city-of-dis.com> wrote in message
news:1uc480h2t30vqagfgeb3scs77o0ved8ia3@4ax.com...
On Sun, 18 Apr 2004 07:07:19 +0000 (UTC) in talk.origins, Roadrunner
("Roadrunner" <pegasus@privat.utfors.se>) said, directing the reply to
talk.origins
"Jason Spaceman" <notreally@jspaceman.homelinux.org> wrote in message
news:c5r472$4sqpn$1@ID-219258.news.uni-berlin.de...
From the article:
------------------------------
Internal Revenue Service agents are investigating a Pensacola man who
operates a
creationist theme park and museum off Old Palafox Road and who they say
is
evading
taxes on more than $1 million in income.
This week, federal IRS agents raided the home and businesses of Kent
Hovind, 51, in
the first block of Cummings Road, confiscating all computer and paper
records of
financial activity since January 1997.
The creation-science evangelist argues against evolution around the
world.
He also
sells literature and videos supporting his views and charges admission
to
his
Pensacola theme park and museum through a number of entities.
But in a sworn statement made to obtain the search warrant served
Wednesday, IRS
agent Scott Schneider said none of Hovind's enterprises has a business
license in
Escambia County or has tax-exempt status as a nonprofit enterprise.
------------------------------
Read the rest at
http://www.pensacolanewsjournal.com/news/041704/Local/ST006.shtml or
http://tinyurl.com/2jey5
What is the point you are making? There is another side of this.
http://www.cipherwar.com/news/01/16th_amendment.htm
Now who is actually the criminal here?
Hovind. See
http://www.irs.gov/businesses/small/article/0,,id=106509,00.html ,
particularly "V. Religious Arguments".
Another jerk who does not even look! ANY attack legal or illegal on Hovind
is allowed, no? He is a menace and he has a point in what he is saying,
In other words, you like what he says, so he can do no wrong.
he
is a threat to your evolution religion, so he has to get rid of at ANY cost!
Nope. But there are none here who are very sympathetic. He is a liar
and a fraud, and steals money from folks who can't afford it, and does
more serious indirect harm by promoting his religious fantasies.
The IRS itself is ILLEGAL!
It has been upheld by the US Supreme Court, so by definition it is
legal.
I also note that no reputable legal expert think that this is a
problem. There areplenty of economic theorist who believe there
should be no income taxes, but that is different from thinking that it
is actually illegal. Do you honestly think that people like Bill Gates
and the Rockefellers and the Kennedys would not try to get out of
taxes if they could?
And while we all grumble about taxes, I for one have no objection to
the *concept of income taxes. How else would we pay for interstate
highways, the FBI, the military, the national Smithsonian Museum, the
character assassination of leftist commentators, etc.?
--
"Do Unto Others As You Would Have Them Do Unto You."
- Attrib: Pauline Reage.
Inexpensive VHS & other video to CD/DVD conversion?
See: <http://www.Video2CD.com>. 35.00 gets your video on DVD.
all posts to this email address are automatically deleted without being
read.
** atheist poster child #1 ** #442.
Your grasp of English is excellent. You are Dutch, living in Sweden?
If only you could reason as well as you can write...
Kermit
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| User: "David Jensen" |
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| Title: Re: IRS raids Kent Hovind's home |
18 Apr 2004 11:52:30 PM |
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In talk.origins, "Roadrunner" <pegasus@privat.utfors.se> wrote in
<dvrgc.56436$mU6.233199@newsb.telia.net>:
"Therion Ware" <autodelete@city-of-dis.com> wrote in message
news:1uc480h2t30vqagfgeb3scs77o0ved8ia3@4ax.com...
On Sun, 18 Apr 2004 07:07:19 +0000 (UTC) in talk.origins, Roadrunner
("Roadrunner" <pegasus@privat.utfors.se>) said, directing the reply to
talk.origins
"Jason Spaceman" <notreally@jspaceman.homelinux.org> wrote in message
news:c5r472$4sqpn$1@ID-219258.news.uni-berlin.de...
From the article:
------------------------------
Internal Revenue Service agents are investigating a Pensacola man who
operates a
creationist theme park and museum off Old Palafox Road and who they say
is
evading
taxes on more than $1 million in income.
This week, federal IRS agents raided the home and businesses of Kent
Hovind, 51, in
the first block of Cummings Road, confiscating all computer and paper
records of
financial activity since January 1997.
The creation-science evangelist argues against evolution around the
world.
He also
sells literature and videos supporting his views and charges admission
to
his
Pensacola theme park and museum through a number of entities.
But in a sworn statement made to obtain the search warrant served
Wednesday, IRS
agent Scott Schneider said none of Hovind's enterprises has a business
license in
Escambia County or has tax-exempt status as a nonprofit enterprise.
------------------------------
Read the rest at
http://www.pensacolanewsjournal.com/news/041704/Local/ST006.shtml or
http://tinyurl.com/2jey5
What is the point you are making? There is another side of this.
http://www.cipherwar.com/news/01/16th_amendment.htm
Now who is actually the criminal here?
Hovind. See
http://www.irs.gov/businesses/small/article/0,,id=106509,00.html ,
particularly "V. Religious Arguments".
Another jerk who does not even look! ANY attack legal or illegal on Hovind
is allowed, no? He is a menace and he has a point in what he is saying, he
is a threat to your evolution religion, so he has to get rid of at ANY cost!
The IRS itself is ILLEGAL!
Why do you keep making such stupid comments. You may become the first
human to know less than nothing.
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| User: "Mike Painter" |
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| Title: Re: IRS raids Kent Hovind's home |
19 Apr 2004 12:48:09 AM |
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"David Jensen" <david@dajensen-family.com> wrote in message
news:qrm680th89hvsrdecnl8ssbru07u481srt@4ax.com...
Hovind. See
http://www.irs.gov/businesses/small/article/0,,id=106509,00.html ,
particularly "V. Religious Arguments".
Another jerk who does not even look! ANY attack legal or illegal on
Hovind
is allowed, no? He is a menace and he has a point in what he is saying,
he
is a threat to your evolution religion, so he has to get rid of at ANY
cost!
The IRS itself is ILLEGAL!
Why do you keep making such stupid comments. You may become the first
human to know less than nothing.
There are a lot of these guys around where I live.
Most of them seem to be low income and are employed by somebody so they pay
taxes.
I'd guess that most file, don't make enough to cheat and think it's in their
favor to get a lot back at the end of the year.
Pointing out that the government has been using their money all year has
little effect.
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| User: "Mike Painter" |
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| Title: Re: IRS raids Kent Hovind's home |
18 Apr 2004 01:04:58 PM |
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"Roadrunner" <pegasus@privat.utfors.se> wrote in message
news:KQpgc.90073$dP1.271597@newsc.telia.net...
<snip>
What is the point you are making? There is another side of this.
http://www.cipherwar.com/news/01/16th_amendment.htm
Now who is actually the criminal here?
You don't go to jail for not paying taxes. You go to jail for not declaring
taxes.
If you declare and don't pay the government comes and gets what you owe.
That is legal until a law is passed that makes it illegal.
The criminal is the one who breaks the law.
It is law until somebody says it is not a law.
Nobody except a few semi literates hold that it is not law.
I'd bring up the concept of case law but it would strain you.
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| User: "R.Schenck" |
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| Title: Re: IRS raids Kent Hovind's home |
18 Apr 2004 07:05:04 PM |
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"Roadrunner" <pegasus@privat.utfors.se> wrote in message news:<KQpgc.90073$dP1.271597@newsc.telia.net>...
"Jason Spaceman" <notreally@jspaceman.homelinux.org> wrote in message
news:c5r472$4sqpn$1@ID-219258.news.uni-berlin.de...
From the article:
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Internal Revenue Service agents are investigating a Pensacola man who
operates a
creationist theme park and museum off Old Palafox Road and who they say is
evading
taxes on more than $1 million in income.
This week, federal IRS agents raided the home and businesses of Kent
Hovind, 51, in
the first block of Cummings Road, confiscating all computer and paper
records of
financial activity since January 1997.
The creation-science evangelist argues against evolution around the world.
He also
sells literature and videos supporting his views and charges admission to
his
Pensacola theme park and museum through a number of entities.
But in a sworn statement made to obtain the search warrant served
Wednesday, IRS
agent Scott Schneider said none of Hovind's enterprises has a business
license in
Escambia County or has tax-exempt status as a nonprofit enterprise.
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Read the rest at
http://www.pensacolanewsjournal.com/news/041704/Local/ST006.shtml or
http://tinyurl.com/2jey5
What is the point you are making? There is another side of this.
http://www.cipherwar.com/news/01/16th_amendment.htm
Now who is actually the criminal here?
Hovind. He didn't pay his taxes. He isn't tax exempt. And Alan
Keyes didn't win the 2000 election. Hence, hovind is a criminial for
not paying his income taxes.
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| User: "Skitter the Cat" |
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| Title: Re: IRS raids Kent Hovind's home |
19 Apr 2004 12:34:58 PM |
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From the article:
"...This is based on misperceptions," Stoll said. "They don't understand how
the church is created and registered, how it operates under church law,
which is entirely separate from secular authorities...."
Somehow, I doubt the IRS *really* cares about Hovidian Church Law.
This reminds me of the nonsense espoused by the Common Law Court movement.
It is one's right to believe that one is not subject to the same laws that
the rest of society are. This fantasy is, of course, shattered when the
guys with the guns, badges, and writs actually show-up on one's doorstep,
however.
As Robin Williams said (IIRC and concerning another set of wrong-doing by
"religious" individuals): " Remember folks, it not just a sin-it's a
felony!"
If guilty (which I strongly suspect is the case) I hope he receives proper
due process and punishment. If, in fact, he is not guilty, then I hope he
receives proper due process and acquittal.
In any case, as a Christian, I think that God will be a bit less lenient
concerning matters of Hovidian Church Law than the Federal Judiciary will
be.
Skitter the Cat
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| User: "R.Schenck" |
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| Title: Re: IRS raids Kent Hovind's home |
17 Apr 2004 11:02:38 AM |
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Jason Spaceman <notreally@jspaceman.homelinux.org> on 17 Apr 2004 posted
From the article:
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Internal Revenue Service agents are investigating a Pensacola man who
operates a creationist theme park and museum off Old Palafox Road and
who they say is evading taxes on more than $1 million in income.
This week, federal IRS agents raided the home and businesses of Kent
Hovind, 51, in the first block of Cummings Road, confiscating all
computer and paper records of financial activity since January 1997.
The creation-science evangelist argues against evolution around the
world. He also sells literature and videos supporting his views and
charges admission to his Pensacola theme park and museum through a
number of entities.
But in a sworn statement made to obtain the search warrant served
Wednesday, IRS agent Scott Schneider said none of Hovind's enterprises
has a business license in Escambia County or has tax-exempt status as
a nonprofit enterprise. ------------------------------
Read the rest at
http://www.pensacolanewsjournal.com/news/041704/Local/ST006.shtml or
http://tinyurl.com/2jey5
wow, how many agents does it take to raid a mobile home? Good thing
hovind didn't just drive away when he got wind of it.
"Since 1997, Hovind has engaged in financial transactions indicating
sources of income and has made deposits to bank accounts well in excess
of $1 million per year during some of these years, which would require
the filing of federal income taxes,' wrote Schneider"
***** this evolution *****, i am going to start duping saps into going to
my goddidit themepark and buy my 'The Evolution Conspiracy' Seminars. I
will detail all Posts pertaining to the EAC Conspiracy there in. Send me
some money and I will tell you how.
hovind:
"They've got to flex their muscle this time of year," he said. "I guess
they chose me. It will be somebody else next year."
yes, because you will be in jail you S.F.W.G.W.H.D
Hovind's lawyer:
"This is based on misperceptions," Stoll said. "They don't understand how
the church is created and registered, how it operates under church law,
which is entirely separate from secular authorities."
I would be scared to have this guy as a lawyer. The income tax evasion
and non-tax-exempt status is preceisely because the federal governement
doesn't understand these things, because hovind never filed or registered
as such
"Hovind has a May 18 court date to face three misdemeanor charges arising
from his refusal to obtain a permit to construct a metal building on his
property. Hovind said the building meets or exceeds building codes, and
he objects to the permitting process as an undue expense on the church."
Man, what an idiot. I hope gastrich is paying attention, for his own
sake anyway.
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| User: "Kermit" |
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19 Apr 2004 10:22:57 AM |
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"R.Schenck" <nygdan_morteauxspam@yahoo.com> wrote in message news:<rAcgc.24928$_g4.1871988@news4.srv.hcvlny.cv.net>...
Jason Spaceman <notreally@jspaceman.homelinux.org> on 17 Apr 2004 posted
From the article:<snip>
Hovind's lawyer:
"This is based on misperceptions," Stoll said. "They don't understand how
the church is created and registered, how it operates under church law,
which is entirely separate from secular authorities."
I would be scared to have this guy as a lawyer. The income tax evasion
and non-tax-exempt status is preceisely because the federal governement
doesn't understand these things, because hovind never filed or registered
as such
"Hovind has a May 18 court date to face three misdemeanor charges arising
from his refusal to obtain a permit to construct a metal building on his
property. Hovind said the building meets or exceeds building codes, and
he objects to the permitting process as an undue expense on the church."
Man, what an idiot. I hope gastrich is paying attention, for his own
sake anyway.
Holy cow! Has the scam artist been scammed? Do lawyers face criminal
charges when they give bad advice, or only their clients?
kermit
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| User: "" |
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17 Apr 2004 12:25:16 PM |
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"R.Schenck" wrote:
Jason Spaceman <notreally@jspaceman.homelinux.org> on 17 Apr 2004 posted
From the article:
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Internal Revenue Service agents are investigating a Pensacola man who
operates a creationist theme park and museum off Old Palafox Road and
who they say is evading taxes on more than $1 million in income.
This week, federal IRS agents raided the home and businesses of Kent
Hovind, 51, in the first block of Cummings Road, confiscating all
computer and paper records of financial activity since January 1997.
The creation-science evangelist argues against evolution around the
world. He also sells literature and videos supporting his views and
charges admission to his Pensacola theme park and museum through a
number of entities.
But in a sworn statement made to obtain the search warrant served
Wednesday, IRS agent Scott Schneider said none of Hovind's enterprises
has a business license in Escambia County or has tax-exempt status as
a nonprofit enterprise. ------------------------------
Read the rest at
http://www.pensacolanewsjournal.com/news/041704/Local/ST006.shtml or
http://tinyurl.com/2jey5
wow, how many agents does it take to raid a mobile home? Good thing
hovind didn't just drive away when he got wind of it.
"Since 1997, Hovind has engaged in financial transactions indicating
sources of income and has made deposits to bank accounts well in excess
of $1 million per year during some of these years, which would require
the filing of federal income taxes,' wrote Schneider"
***** this evolution *****, i am going to start duping saps into going to
my goddidit themepark and buy my 'The Evolution Conspiracy' Seminars. I
will detail all Posts pertaining to the EAC Conspiracy there in. Send me
some money and I will tell you how.
hovind:
"They've got to flex their muscle this time of year," he said. "I guess
they chose me. It will be somebody else next year."
yes, because you will be in jail you S.F.W.G.W.H.D
Hovind's lawyer:
"This is based on misperceptions," Stoll said. "They don't understand how
the church is created and registered, how it operates under church law,
which is entirely separate from secular authorities."
In other words, gods authority superceeds the federal governments
authority. God told him to do it, so he did it.
Its a good thing Noah didn't need a government permit
to build the ark because we'd all be dead.
I would be scared to have this guy as a lawyer. The income tax evasion
and non-tax-exempt status is preceisely because the federal governement
doesn't understand these things, because hovind never filed or registered
as such
"Hovind has a May 18 court date to face three misdemeanor charges arising
from his refusal to obtain a permit to construct a metal building on his
property. Hovind said the building meets or exceeds building codes, and
he objects to the permitting process as an undue expense on the church."
Man, what an idiot. I hope gastrich is paying attention, for his own
sake anyway.
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| User: "SD Anderson" |
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| Title: Re: IRS raids Kent Hovind's home |
18 Apr 2004 04:33:59 AM |
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wrote in message news:<40816A2B.148C3DFB@erols.com>...
"R.Schenck" wrote:
In other words, gods authority superceeds the federal governments
authority. God told him to do it, so he did it.
Its a good thing Noah didn't need a government permit
to build the ark because we'd all be dead.
I was under the impression that Jesus said to Render unto Caesar,
that which is Caesar's. In short, you pay the government taxes.
In not complying with federal and state tax regulations, Hovind not
only broke secular law, he clearly was defying Jesus!
#113
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| User: "stoney" |
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21 Apr 2004 10:33:20 PM |
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On Sun, 18 Apr 2004 09:33:59 +0000 (UTC), (SD
Anderson), Message ID: <ad847902.0404180136.7cfc3b5e@posting.google.com>
wrote in alt.atheism;
xtmprszntwlfd@erols.com wrote in message news:<40816A2B.148C3DFB@erols.com>...
"R.Schenck" wrote:
In other words, gods authority superceeds the federal governments
authority. God told him to do it, so he did it.
Its a good thing Noah didn't need a government permit
to build the ark because we'd all be dead.
I was under the impression that Jesus said to Render unto Caesar,
that which is Caesar's. In short, you pay the gover | | | | |
