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03 Jul 2005 09:58:50 PM |
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Is ***** Cheney the New 'Baghdad Bob'? |
Is ***** Cheney the New 'Baghdad Bob'?
By Greg Mitchell
http://tinyurl.com/cl87s
(June 27, 2005) -- Is it just me, or is Vice President Cheney starting to
sound like another balding, rose-colored-glasses wearing war spokesman,
Muhammed Saeed al-Sahaf, better known as “Baghdad Bob”?
Yesterday, after a week of serious criticism, for claiming that the
insurgency in Iraq was in its “last throes,” Cheney refused to back down,
even after Gen. John Abizaid, our top military commander for the Middle
East, proclaimed that the insurgency, in fact, was as strong as ever, and
“a lot of work” remained to be done to defeat it. Earlier this week, GOP
Senator Chuck Hagel of Nebraska had said he was sick of sunny assertions
about the war from the White House, and declared that the United States
indeed might be losing, not on the edge of victory.
Yet Cheney said on Thursday, “If you look at what the dictionary says
about 'throes,' it can still be a violent period.” He compared this time
to the end of World War II when tough battles “occurred just a few months
before the end. I see this as a similar situation.” Give this man a
beret!
Is it time to start calling him "D.C. *****"? Or "Baghdad *****"? Or
perhaps "Bunker Bob"?
Baghdad Bob, of course, was Saddam Hussein's minister of information,
later immortalized on t-shirts, Web sites, and even a DVD for his
optimistic, if fanciful, statements about Iraq's triumph over the
American infidels, right up to the point his boss left the building.
Baghdad Bob somehow survived and later worked as an Arab TV commentator,
sans trademark beret (although he now seems to have inhabited our vice
president's body).
Here are a few Baghdad Bob classics from the spring of 2003 (courtesy of
one of his Web faux-shrines, We Love the Iraqi Information Minister). See
if you can imagine them coming out of the mouth of our vice president
speaking to the press today.
*****
"No, I am not scared, and neither should you be."
"Be assured: Baghdad is safe, protected."
"We are in control, they are not in control of anything, they don't even
control themselves!"
"The battle is very fierce and God will make us victorious."
"They think that by killing civilians and trying to distort the feelings
of the people they will win."
"I blame Al-Jazeera."
"Those are not Iraqis at all. Where did they bring them from?"
"I can assure you that those villains will recognize in the future how
they are pretending things which have never taken place."
"I would like to clarify a simple fact here: How can you lay siege to a
whole country? Who is really under siege now?"
"We're giving them a real lesson today. Heavy doesn't accurately describe
the level of casualties we have inflicted."
"The American press is all about lies! All they tell is lies, lies, and
more lies!"
"They are becoming hysterical. This is the result of frustration."
"I speak better English than Bush."
"Just look carefully, I only want you to look carefully. Do not repeat
the lies of liars. Do not become like them."
"The United Nations ... it is all their fault."
"Even those who live on another planet, if there are such people, would
condemn them."
"This is unbiased: They are retreating on all fronts. Their effort is a
subject of laughter throughout the world."
"The force that was near the airport, this force was destroyed."
"They are achieving nothing. Our estimates are that none of them will
come out alive unless they surrender to us quickly."
"They hold no place in Iraq. This is an illusion."
"Once again, I blame al-Jazeera. Please, make sure of what you say and do
not play such a role."
"Most of you probably saw the movie 'Wag the Dog'. I hope you remember
it."
"These cowards have no morals. They have no shame about lying."
"You can go and visit those places. Everything is okay. They are not in
Najaf. They are nowhere. They are on the moon."
"Rumsfeld, he needs to be hit on the head."
--
Enkidu AA#2165
EAC Chaplain and ordained minister,
ULC, Modesto, CA
PGP ID: 0xC4CE8CF0
Christianity neither is, nor ever was a part of the common law.
--Thomas Jefferson, February 10, 1814
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| User: "Grogs" |
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03 Jul 2005 11:02:20 PM |
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Enkidu the Atheist <Enkidu.the.Atheist@gmail.com> wrote in
news:Xns9688CB4DBFD5A255229@130.133.1.4:
Is ***** Cheney the New 'Baghdad Bob'?
By Greg Mitchell
http://tinyurl.com/cl87s
(June 27, 2005) -- Is it just me, or is Vice President Cheney starting
to sound like another balding, rose-colored-glasses wearing war
spokesman, Muhammed Saeed al-Sahaf, better known as “Baghdad Bob”?
Yesterday, after a week of serious criticism, for claiming that the
insurgency in Iraq was in its “last throes,” Cheney refused to back
down, even after Gen. John Abizaid, our top military commander for the
Middle East, proclaimed that the insurgency, in fact, was as strong as
ever, and “a lot of work” remained to be done to defeat it. Earlier
this week, GOP Senator Chuck Hagel of Nebraska had said he was sick of
sunny assertions about the war from the White House, and declared that
the United States indeed might be losing, not on the edge of victory.
Yet Cheney said on Thursday, “If you look at what the dictionary says
about 'throes,' it can still be a violent period.” He compared this
time to the end of World War II when tough battles “occurred just a
few months before the end. I see this as a similar situation.” Give
this man a beret!
Is it time to start calling him "D.C. *****"? Or "Baghdad *****"? Or
perhaps "Bunker Bob"?
Baghdad Bob, of course, was Saddam Hussein's minister of information,
later immortalized on t-shirts, Web sites, and even a DVD for his
optimistic, if fanciful, statements about Iraq's triumph over the
American infidels, right up to the point his boss left the building.
Baghdad Bob somehow survived and later worked as an Arab TV
commentator, sans trademark beret (although he now seems to have
inhabited our vice president's body).
Here are a few Baghdad Bob classics from the spring of 2003 (courtesy
of one of his Web faux-shrines, We Love the Iraqi Information
Minister). See if you can imagine them coming out of the mouth of our
vice president speaking to the press today.
*****
"No, I am not scared, and neither should you be."
"Be assured: Baghdad is safe, protected."
"We are in control, they are not in control of anything, they don't
even control themselves!"
"The battle is very fierce and God will make us victorious."
"They think that by killing civilians and trying to distort the
feelings of the people they will win."
"I blame Al-Jazeera."
"Those are not Iraqis at all. Where did they bring them from?"
"I can assure you that those villains will recognize in the future how
they are pretending things which have never taken place."
"I would like to clarify a simple fact here: How can you lay siege to
a whole country? Who is really under siege now?"
"We're giving them a real lesson today. Heavy doesn't accurately
describe the level of casualties we have inflicted."
"The American press is all about lies! All they tell is lies, lies,
and more lies!"
"They are becoming hysterical. This is the result of frustration."
"I speak better English than Bush."
LOL, he may have been right about this one. :)
"Just look carefully, I only want you to look carefully. Do not repeat
the lies of liars. Do not become like them."
"The United Nations ... it is all their fault."
"Even those who live on another planet, if there are such people,
would condemn them."
"This is unbiased: They are retreating on all fronts. Their effort is
a subject of laughter throughout the world."
"The force that was near the airport, this force was destroyed."
"They are achieving nothing. Our estimates are that none of them will
come out alive unless they surrender to us quickly."
"They hold no place in Iraq. This is an illusion."
"Once again, I blame al-Jazeera. Please, make sure of what you say and
do not play such a role."
"Most of you probably saw the movie 'Wag the Dog'. I hope you remember
it."
"These cowards have no morals. They have no shame about lying."
"You can go and visit those places. Everything is okay. They are not
in Najaf. They are nowhere. They are on the moon."
"Rumsfeld, he needs to be hit on the head."
One of his last quotes I seem to remember was something to the effect of
'American forces are nowhere near Baghdad. We are strongly in control of
Baghdad!' This occurred at about the same time CNN was showing M-1's
rolling into central Baghdad. I was just waiting for him to be cut off
mid-sentence by an artillery round landing nearby.
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| User: "" |
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04 Jul 2005 12:00:07 AM |
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Enkidu the Atheist wrote:
Is ***** Cheney the New 'Baghdad Bob'?
By Greg Mitchell
http://tinyurl.com/cl87s
(June 27, 2005) -- Is it just me, or is Vice President Cheney starting to
sound like another balding, rose-colored-glasses wearing war spokesman,
Muhammed Saeed al-Sahaf, better known as "Baghdad Bob"?
As time has shown, Baghdad Bob told more truth than Cheney has.
Here are a few Baghdad Bob classics from the spring of 2003 (courtesy of
one of his Web faux-shrines, We Love the Iraqi Information Minister). See
if you can imagine them coming out of the mouth of our vice president
speaking to the press today.
*****
"No, I am not scared, and neither should you be."
It's the US army going around in fear.
"We are in control, they are not in control of anything, they don't even
control themselves!"
Q.E.D.
"The battle is very fierce and God will make us victorious."
The jury is still out on this one, but it looks more like
the resistance is winning.
"They think that by killing civilians and trying to distort the feelings
of the people they will win."
Winning hearts and minds does not mean eviscerating corpses
for body parts, despite what the Shrub regime thinks.
"I blame Al-Jazeera."
Who doesn't?
"I can assure you that those villains will recognize in the future how
they are pretending things which have never taken place."
"Saddam and 9/11". "WMDs." "Welcomed with flowers."
"Saddam gassed 5000 Kurds in 1988."
"I would like to clarify a simple fact here: How can you lay siege to a
whole country? Who is really under siege now?"
The US controls the airport. Hell, they can't even secure
their own perimeters. (Remember the messhall suicide bomb?)
"We're giving them a real lesson today. Heavy doesn't accurately describe
the level of casualties we have inflicted."
The US public cringes at every death. The Iraqis cheer every
martyr. Who's winning on that front?
"The American press is all about lies! All they tell is lies, lies, and
more lies!"
Again, Q.E.D.
"They are becoming hysterical. This is the result of frustration."
"They _will_ become hysterical" would have been better.
"I speak better English than Bush."
Again, who doesn't?
"Just look carefully, I only want you to look carefully. Do not repeat
the lies of liars. Do not become like them."
The Downing Street Memo. 'Nuff said.
"This is unbiased: They are retreating on all fronts. Their effort is a
subject of laughter throughout the world."
Yup.
"They are achieving nothing. Our estimates are that none of them will
come out alive unless they surrender to us quickly."
Hmm...partly true. The US *economy* won't survive
unless they surrender quickly.
"They hold no place in Iraq. This is an illusion."
Spot on, BB.
"Most of you probably saw the movie 'Wag the Dog'. I hope you remember
it."
"Mission accomplished."
"These cowards have no morals. They have no shame about lying."
Q.E.D. 3.
"Rumsfeld, he needs to be hit on the head."
Yeah, but that's stating the obvious.
Bob Dog
Atheist #153 = 1^3 + 5^3 + 3^3
EAC's chief cook and brainwasher
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"You won't find any opposition to the idea of evolution among
sophisticated, educated theologians. It comes from an
exceedingly retarded, primitive version of religion, which
unfortunately is at present undergoing an epidemic in the
United States."
- Richard Dawkins
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| User: "Fred Stone" |
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04 Jul 2005 09:25:03 AM |
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wrote in
news:1120453207.503354.299100@g47g2000cwa.googlegroups.com:
Enkidu the Atheist wrote:
Is ***** Cheney the New 'Baghdad Bob'?
By Greg Mitchell
http://tinyurl.com/cl87s
(June 27, 2005) -- Is it just me, or is Vice President Cheney
starting to sound like another balding, rose-colored-glasses wearing
war spokesman, Muhammed Saeed al-Sahaf, better known as "Baghdad
Bob"?
As time has shown, Baghdad Bob told more truth than Cheney has.
Here are a few Baghdad Bob classics from the spring of 2003 (courtesy
of one of his Web faux-shrines, We Love the Iraqi Information
Minister). See if you can imagine them coming out of the mouth of our
vice president speaking to the press today.
*****
"No, I am not scared, and neither should you be."
It's the US army going around in fear.
http://www.captainsquartersblog.com/mt/archives/004877.php
Red On Red In Iraq
The London Telegraph reports this morning that Iraqis have increasingly
become so disenchanted with the insurgents -- both foreign and domestic
-- that the tribal leaders have organized their own counterinsurgencies
in areas like Qaim. These clan-based factions have turned on those who
attempted to impose their own Taliban-like rules on communities:
Tribal leaders in Husaybah are attacking followers of Abu Musab
Zarqawi, the Jordanian-born terrorist who established the town as an
entry point for al-Qa'eda jihadists being smuggled into the country.
The reason, the US military believes, is frustration at the heavy-
handed approach of the foreigners, who have kidnapped and assassinated
local leaders and imposed a strict Islamic code. ...
Captain Thomas Sibley, intelligence officer of 3rd battalion, 2nd
Marine Regiment, based in Qaim, said: "People here were committed
supporters of the insurgency but you cannot now even get a marriage
licence." ...
The trigger was the assassination of a tribal sheikh, from the
Sulaiman tribe, ordered by Zarqawi for inviting senior US marines for
lunch. American troops gained an insight into the measures the jihadists
had imposed during recent house-to-house searches in nearby towns and
villages.
The insurgents once had the sympathy of the locals, who presumably
didn't like seeing foreign troops in their country. However, they soon
found out that as bad as Saddam had been, the new so-called
"insurgents" were just as malevolent. The satellite dishes got pulled
down from roofs, music shops got shut down, women went under the burkha
and men wearing western clothes got beaten. Because the Americans were
the only people attempting to fix the water, sewage, and electrical
systems, the enforced ban on assisting foreigners meant that all of
those systems went into complete collapse.
Assassinating the tribal chiefs may have triggered their reaction, but
the outcome was inevitable. The locals quickly discovered that they had
a choice between two foreign forces -- an infidel force that wanted to
rebuild their community and leave them to their own devices, or a
foreign Islamic force that used murder and brutality to impose a second
tyranny. It should surprise few that the tribal chiefs chose the former
over the latter, and have decided to fight for themselves to rid the
area of the Zarqawi lunatics.
People may remain skeptical of the Iraqi desire for freedom, saying that
the region has never known democracy and the divisions run too deep for
representative government to work. Iraqis may not know democracy, but
they certainly know oppression -- and they have consistently rejected it
since their liberation. They fought their way to the polls in January,
and they fight against the enemies of liberty in the streets of Qaim and
elsewhere.
On the celebration of our own demand for freedom and liberty, we should
not forget that those impulses live in every human heart.
--
Fred Stone
aa# 1369
"Metaphysics is almost always an attempt to prove
the incredible by an appeal to the unintelligible."
[H.L. Mencken, "Prejudices"]
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| User: "johac" |
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04 Jul 2005 01:50:59 AM |
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In article <Xns9688CB4DBFD5A255229@130.133.1.4>,
Enkidu the Atheist <Enkidu.the.Atheist@gmail.com> wrote:
Is ***** Cheney the New 'Baghdad Bob'?
By Greg Mitchell
http://tinyurl.com/cl87s
(June 27, 2005) -- Is it just me, or is Vice President Cheney starting to
sound like another balding, rose-colored-glasses wearing war spokesman,
Muhammed Saeed al-Sahaf, better known as “Baghdad Bob”?
<snip>
'Bob' got a couple right.
"I speak better English than Bush."
Probably true.
"These cowards have no morals. They have no shame about lying."
True
--
John Hachmann aa #1782
"Those who can make you believe absurdities can make you commit atrocities"
-Voltaire
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