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Olrik wrote:

Codebreaker@bigsecret.com wrote:

Who is supposed to choose that successor, God or the Prophet
himself?
Why does a Prophet need a successor at all?

You lazy bum! I'm sure you could find and interpret a passage in
the
"bible" to fit the answers you want, heretic!

My interpretation of the Bible is not arbitrary.
It has a base and the base is found in the Torah/Law of
Moses. Messiah is a prophet like Moses was the subject
of the debate among the Jewish community in Jerusalem
during the first century as attested in the NT

What is there to debate about?
Just read Deuteronomy 34:10-12.

RE-PLONK

Deuteronomy 34:10-12 makes abundantly
clear what it means to be like Moses.

If you don't want to discuss the issues you raise,
why not just "PLONCK" everyone,
or better yet, stop posting nonsense?

You are the one talking nonsense...
You have been told time again and again that Mohammad
as used in the Qur'an is euphemism for Messiah, but you chose
the hadith fabicators to guide your reading of the Qur'an. Don't you
have a brain
of your own?
Here is what the dictionary says about
EUPHEMISM
1. the substitution of a mild, indirect, or vague expression
for one thought to be offensive, harsh, or blunt.
2. the expression so substituted:
"To pass away" is a euphemism for "to die." .
What does this mean? This means that Mohammad is no birth
name, and Amina the mother of the Arabian "prophet" never knew
Mohammad as a name.
This takes to what is called as METAPHOR, OR ALLEGORY

Instead of questioning
the Biography of your beloved "prophet" you keep posting the same
platitude and same old LIE that people like RUMI saw through then wrote
ABOUT THE DECEPTION:

"O you foolish puppet,popping up from your box,
You call out to the world, This is mine!
How long will you jump up?
If you don't bent your neck,
He will bent it for you.

You put others down
And spin a web of deception, o imposter,
Do you think God is a play thing in your hand?
O donkey, you belong with the straw.
o cauldron, you deserve to be blackened!
O outcast, you deserve to be at the bottom of the well!

"In me there is another force that give rise
to these harsh words.
Scalding water is caused by fire, not water."

I have no stone in my hand,
No argument with anyone. I put down no one.
For I am as sweet as a bed of roses.
That Supreme Source speaks through me.
It has given you a hint, that's enough.
Now let me sit here,
on the threshold of the TWO WORLDS
lost in the eloquence of silence. RUMI

What do you infer from this?
Who do you think Rumi was alluding to?
If you don't see the Arabs and their deceptive propaganda then
you're an *****.

PUPPET= A person or group of persons whose behavior is determined
by the will of others.

As for Deuteronomy 34:10 here is the text itself:
10 Since then, no prophet has risen in Israel like Moses,
whom the LORD knew face to face,
11 who did all those
miraculous signs and wonders the LORD sent him to do in Egypt-
to Pharaoh and to all his officials and to his whole land.
12 For no one has ever shown the mighty power
or performed the awesome deeds that Moses did in the sight of all
Israel.
What period of time do you think Deuteronomy is talking about?

You want to see Mohammad everywhere to feel good about.
But the Mohammad
the Qur'an is speaking of is no Arab...
Now go ask the Arabs and those who wrote his biography
what the birth name of their leader is and what is meant
for him to be nicknamed Mohammad. Of course they would never
tell YOU the truth, because the dumb you are, the best they can control
you.

What a waste of brain you really deserved to be plonked
because you bring nothing intellectual in the debate except
except for those mde up hadiths nonsense.

As for Deuteronomy 34:10 here is the text itself:
10 Since then, no prophet has risen in Israel like Moses,
whom the LORD knew face to face,
11 who did all those
miraculous signs and wonders the LORD sent him to do in Egypt-
to Pharaoh and to all his officials and to his whole land.
12 For no one has ever shown the mighty power
or performed the awesome deeds that Moses did in the sight of all
Israel.
What period of time do you think Deuteronomy is talking about?

Kilmir wrote:

That's the problem with religions based on old books of fiction :
they're fixed like photographs. Your "god", like the rest of the cast,
can't change its mind, which is bizarre, if you think about it.

It appears that you have nothing intellectually meaningful
to say except that old age malice. If that is the case you will
be PLONKED. I don't waste my time on people opinion.
I am here to clarify what the APOSTLES said based on the
Jewish oracle.

Posting to alt.atheism where a lot of posters consider holy books on
par, or slightly below, present day romance novels is just asking for
it really.

I post where I want.

I post where I want.

Kilmir wrote:

Posting to alt.atheism where a lot of posters consider holy books on
par, or slightly below, present day romance novels is just asking for
it really.

I post where I want.

Olrik wrote:

But the "text" is ripe for interpretation. Do you really think you're
the first person to read the "bible" correctly? Some very sharp
religious minds have been at it for centuries, and still xianity is
utterly divided.

On the surface Christianity seems to be divided but there is order
underneath that division.
We have two blocs in Christainity:
Paul Christianity versus the pharisaic Christianity
which respectively leaves us with Catholicism or
TRINITARIAN Christianity versus Semetic Christianity or Islam.
Of course you are clueless about this

Olrik wrote:

You don't get it, do you? Your *own* interpretation is "OFF BASE" to
them! Of course, you might just be the genius who understand the
"bible" perfectly, and singlehandedly put to rest hermeneutics. Heck,
you could be up for a prize or something...

Seriously, how would you call a person who overlooks the fact
that Jesus and the Apostles after him appealed again and again
to Moses to establish their case on Jesus being the Messiah/Christ.

You don't need to be expert in religion to see the FLAW in their EXEGESIS

So how come they skip that part of Moses' pronoucement in relation
to Christ/Messiah.

Christianity is divided because those reading the New Testament
are doing it without base

So you can't refute that your "god" is dead, fixated in an old book,
which can't really change (never mind the countless translations or the
absence of any originals).

Re-read the subject line of this thread

Again this is your opinion and it is not in the Bible

It's not an "opinion", it's a fact : the "bible" *IS* "old tales from
mideast desert tribes". Bark all you want, you can't change reality.

Again Re-read the subject line of this thread and see what it says

so I am not going to waste my time on it.

So you're going to quit posting in alt.atheism? Splendid! Have a nice
life!

You don't know how to extract relevant information from the Bible

neither your masters of the time of ENLIGHTENMENT did.
But you 've got the nerve to talk about the Bible being an old tales.
This is what we call IGNORAMUS