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Is al Qaeda Just a Bush Boogeyman? |
Is al Qaeda Just a Bush Boogeyman?
By Robert Scheer, AlterNet
Posted on January 11, 2005, Printed on January 13, 2005
http://www.alternet.org/story/20954/
Is it conceivable that al Qaeda, as defined by President Bush as the
center of a vast and well-organized international terrorist conspiracy,
does not exist?
To even raise the question amid all the officially inspired hysteria is
heretical, especially in the context of the U.S. media's supine
acceptance of administration claims relating to national security. Yet a
brilliant new BBC film produced by one of Britain's leading documentary
filmmakers systematically challenges this and many other accepted
articles of faith in the so-called war on terror.
The Power of Nightmares: The Rise of the Politics of Fear, a three-hour
historical film by Adam Curtis recently aired by the British
Broadcasting Corp., argues coherently that much of what we have been
told about the threat of international terrorism "is a fantasy that has
been exaggerated and distorted by politicians. It is a dark illusion
that has spread unquestioned through governments around the world, the
security services and the international media."
Stern stuff, indeed. But consider just a few of the many questions the
program poses along the way:
• If Osama bin Laden does, in fact, head a vast international terrorist
organization with trained operatives in more than 40 countries, as
claimed by Bush, why, despite torture of prisoners, has this
administration failed to produce hard evidence of it?
• How can it be that in Britain since 9/11, 664 people have been
detained on suspicion of terrorism but only 17 have been found guilty,
most of them with no connection to Islamist groups and none who were
proven members of al Qaeda?
• Why have we heard so much frightening talk about "dirty bombs" when
experts say it is panic rather than radioactivity that would kill
people?
• Why did Defense Secretary Donald Rumsfeld claim on Meet the Press in
2001 that al Qaeda controlled massive high-tech cave complexes in
Afghanistan, when British and U.S. military forces later found no such
thing?
Of course, the documentary does not doubt that an embittered, well-
connected and wealthy Saudi man named Osama bin Laden helped finance
various affinity groups of Islamist fanatics that have engaged in
terror, including the 9/11 attacks. Nor does it challenge the notion
that a terrifying version of fundamentalist Islam has led to gruesome
spates of violence throughout the world. But the film, both more sober
and more deeply provocative than Michael Moore's Fahrenheit 9/11,
directly challenges the conventional wisdom by making a powerful case
that the Bush administration, led by a tight-knit cabal of Machiavellian
neoconservatives, has seized upon the false image of a unified
international terrorist threat to replace the expired Soviet empire in
order to push a political agenda.
Terrorism is deeply threatening, but it appears to be a much more
fragmented and complex phenomenon than the octopus-network image of al
Qaeda, with bin Laden as its head, would suggest.
While the BBC documentary acknowledges that the threat of terrorism is
both real and growing, it disagrees that the threat is centralized:
"There are dangerous and fanatical individuals and groups around the
world who have been inspired by extreme Islamist ideas and who will use
the techniques of mass terror – the attacks on America and Madrid make
this only too clear. But the nightmare vision of a uniquely powerful
hidden organization waiting to strike our societies is an illusion.
Wherever one looks for this al Qaeda organization, from the mountains of
Afghanistan to the 'sleeper cells' in America, the British and Americans
are chasing a phantom enemy."
The fact is, despite the efforts of several government commissions and a
vast army of investigators, we still do not have a credible narrative of
a "war on terror" that is being fought in the shadows.
Consider, for example, that neither the 9/11 commission nor any court of
law has been able to directly take evidence from the key post-9/11
terror detainees held by the United States. Everything we know comes
from two sides that both have a great stake in exaggerating the threat
posed by al Qaeda: the terrorists themselves and the military and
intelligence agencies that have a vested interest in maintaining the
facade of an overwhelmingly dangerous enemy.
Such a state of national ignorance about an endless war is, as The Power
of Nightmares makes clear, simply unacceptable in a functioning
democracy.
http://www.alternet.org/columnists/story/20954/
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14 Jan 2005 12:49:01 AM |
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"james g. keegan jr." <keegan@nycap.rr.com> wrote in
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Is al Qaeda Just a Bush Boogeyman?
No. We all saw what happened on September 11, 2001. It seems the left has
forgotten.
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14 Jan 2005 04:56:36 PM |
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"Gactimus" <gactimus@xrs.net> wrote in message
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"james g. keegan jr." <keegan@nycap.rr.com> wrote in
news:Xns95DDB04D94F27keegannycaprrcom@130.133.1.4:
Is al Qaeda Just a Bush Boogeyman?
No. We all saw what happened on September 11, 2001. It seems the left has
forgotten.
Way to miss the point, asspanda.
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14 Jan 2005 05:23:50 AM |
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Gactimus <gactimus@xrs.net> wrote:
"james g. keegan jr." <keegan@nycap.rr.com> wrote in
news:Xns95DDB04D94F27keegannycaprrcom@130.133.1.4:
Is al Qaeda Just a Bush Boogeyman?
No. We all saw what happened on September 11, 2001.
And who commited that act and how do you know?
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Ray Fischer
rfischer@sonic.net
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15 Jan 2005 05:24:38 PM |
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"Ray Fischer" <rfischer@bolt.sonic.net> wrote
Gactimus <gactimus@xrs.net> wrote:
"james g. keegan jr." <keegan@nycap.rr.com> wrote in
news:Xns95DDB04D94F27keegannycaprrcom@130.133.1.4:
Is al Qaeda Just a Bush Boogeyman?
No. We all saw what happened on September 11, 2001.
And who commited that act and how do you know?
It was obviously Tim McVey's younger brother Patrick, who
disguised himself as an Iraqi, but of course no one believed
him and said, "Iraqi my *****, you must be one a them Saudi
Arabians, Iraqi's know how to fly an airplane, I'll betcha."
Investigators were unable to discover how he got all those
barrels of fertilizer on to the carry on rack when they clearly
went over the weight limit.
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14 Jan 2005 09:17:11 AM |
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Gactimus wrote:
"james g. keegan jr." <keegan@nycap.rr.com> wrote in
news:Xns95DDB04D94F27keegannycaprrcom@130.133.1.4:
Is al Qaeda Just a Bush Boogeyman?
No. We all saw what happened on September 11, 2001. It seems the left has
forgotten.
And how does that demostrate a vast global organisation?
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16 Jan 2005 10:11:57 AM |
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Ash bolted into alt.world, wreathed in wicked, white hot flames, and
screamed...
Gactimus wrote:
"james g. keegan jr." <keegan@nycap.rr.com> wrote in
news:Xns95DDB04D94F27keegannycaprrcom@130.133.1.4:
Is al Qaeda Just a Bush Boogeyman?
No. We all saw what happened on September 11, 2001. It seems the left has
forgotten.
And how does that demostrate a vast global organisation?
It depends on your definition of "global." They had operatives in and from
Afghanistan training people from Saudi Arabia to live in the U.S. for, IIRC,
years and learn how to crash jets. The money flows in from around the world,
including from the U.S. Seems pretty global to me.
Then again, there's probably not a whole lot of Icelandic or Australian
involvement. So maybe it ain't so global. I do understand there are polar bears
that used to be in the Mujahadeen, though. ;^)
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Zag
Guns cause crime
like flies cause garbage
...bumper sticker
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| User: "Al Klein" |
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14 Jan 2005 11:20:09 PM |
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On Fri, 14 Jan 2005 09:17:11 +0000, Ash
<ashamanic@winterfell73.fsnet.co.uk> said in alt.atheism:
Gactimus wrote:
"james g. keegan jr." <keegan@nycap.rr.com> wrote in
news:Xns95DDB04D94F27keegannycaprrcom@130.133.1.4:
Is al Qaeda Just a Bush Boogeyman?
No. We all saw what happened on September 11, 2001. It seems the left has
forgotten.
And how does that demostrate a vast global organisation?
Just apply a little proof by personal incredulity. I mean, how ELSE
could it have happened?
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"The doctrine that the earth is neither the center of the universe nor immovable, but
moves even with a daily rotation, is absurd, and both philosophically and theologically
false, and at the least an error of faith."
- Catholic Church's decision against Galileo Galilei
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| User: "Mel" |
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14 Jan 2005 09:13:53 AM |
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On Fri, 14 Jan 2005 00:49:01 GMT, Gactimus <gactimus@xrs.net> wrote in
message <1GEFd.793$OF.327@fe08.lga>:
"james g. keegan jr." <keegan@nycap.rr.com> wrote in
Is al Qaeda Just a Bush Boogeyman?
No. We all saw what happened on September 11, 2001. It seems the left has
forgotten.
two buildings were brought down by implosion. the planes were window
dressing. not a chance in hell that those buildings were going to come down
as a result of the plane strikes.
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smash yer modem, reboot, kill yerself
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member, ATJ regs
webmaster of atjfaq.com
http://www.atjfaq.com/
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14 Jan 2005 07:58:07 PM |
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"Mel" <mel@atj.fag.com> wrote in message
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On Fri, 14 Jan 2005 00:49:01 GMT, Gactimus <gactimus@xrs.net> wrote in
message <1GEFd.793$OF.327@fe08.lga>:
"james g. keegan jr." <keegan@nycap.rr.com> wrote in
Is al Qaeda Just a Bush Boogeyman?
No. We all saw what happened on September 11, 2001. It seems the left has
forgotten.
two buildings were brought down by implosion. the planes were window
dressing. not a chance in hell that those buildings were going to come
down
as a result of the plane strikes.
you're getting real smart reading your comic books fag boy.
Legless Frog
Sidney was a 14-year-old boy with an interest in the sciences. One summer
day he started his own investigations. With his 12-year-old sister Sophie in
tow, he caught a large bull frog in a local pond. Sidney started his
experiment with the amphibian, and told Sophie her job was to write down the
results of the experiment.
Sidney drew a line in the sand, placed the frog on the line, and prodded the
frog with a small twig from the rear and shouted, "Jump, frog!" The frog
jumped, and Sidney measured the distance. "12 feet...write that down,
Sophie," he said.
Next, he brought the frog back to the starting point and removed the frog's
right front leg. Again he prodded the frog and shouted, "Jump, frog!" The
frog jumped 10 feet, and on instruction, Sophie wrote it down.
Again the frog was brought back, the left front leg was removed, and again
"Jump, frog!" Sidney reported, "Six feet...write it down."
The next time, Sidney removed the large right back leg. "Jump, frog!" Then,
he shouted "Jump, frog!" and prodded the frog. "The frog jumped 8
inches...write it down, Sophie."
Finally, Sidney removed the frog's remaining back left leg, put it down and
prodded the frog with the twig shouting, "Jump, frog! Jump, frog! JUMP
FROG!! JUMP JUMP FROG!!!"
The frog didn't jump. Sophie looked at Sidney, and said, "So what should I
write down?"
Sidney thought a moment, then told Sophie to write, "When you remove all the
legs from a frog, it turns deaf."
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14 Jan 2005 09:20:41 PM |
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And our Mr. Bush has persuaded all the engineers and architects in the
world to join his conspiracy? Of course the planes brought down the
buildings. That fact does not address who sent the planes. And of
course Bush took political advantage of the occasion.
Here's some comments from that hotbed of neoconservatism, the US Public
Broadcasting Station:
http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/nova/wtc/collapse.html
Kermit
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14 Jan 2005 02:58:09 AM |
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"james g. keegan jr." <keegan@nycap.rr.com> wrote in message
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Is al Qaeda Just a Bush Boogeyman?
No.
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14 Jan 2005 06:52:16 AM |
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Ike wrote:
"james g. keegan jr." <keegan@nycap.rr.com> wrote in message
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Is al Qaeda Just a Bush Boogeyman?
No.
Yes
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14 Jan 2005 12:20:50 PM |
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"ur_droll" <chex@xtra.co.nz> wrote in message
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Ike wrote:
"james g. keegan jr." <keegan@nycap.rr.com> wrote in message
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Is al Qaeda Just a Bush Boogeyman?
No.
Yes
just like a kiwi, can't make up your mind.
10 Things To Say When Called To The Office
1. "I'm gonna kill her"
2. "*****, They found the body"
3. "Where's my lawyer?"
4. "He's still alive?"
5. "They've got nothing on me"
6. "I thought I got rid of the evidence"
7. "I told him to hide the body in the boiler, not the shed"
8. "*****"
9. "I didn't do it"
10. "Can they convict me on heresay?"
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13 Jan 2005 11:09:13 PM |
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"james g. keegan jr." <keegan@nycap.rr.com> wrote in message
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Is al Qaeda Just a Bush Boogeyman?
By Robert Scheer, AlterNet
Posted on January 11, 2005, Printed on January 13, 2005
http://www.alternet.org/story/20954/
Is it conceivable that al Qaeda, as defined by President Bush as the
center of a vast and well-organized international terrorist conspiracy,
does not exist?
Interesting. I will have to think about this.
It did seem odd to me at the time that the 9/11 attack was described as
being difficult to pull off. So much so that only a cat-stroking James Bond
evil mastermind would have a chance of success.
It was a bunch of guys with knives, for Pete's sake. They took publicly
accessible flight training courses. The hardest part of the scheme was
making sure they woke up on time to get to the airport.
There was really no vast conspiracy necessary.
--
Denis Loubet
dloubet@io.com
http://www.io.com/~dloubet
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13 Jan 2005 11:23:46 PM |
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"Denis Loubet" <dloubet@io.com> wrote in
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"james g. keegan jr." <keegan@nycap.rr.com> wrote in message
news:Xns95DDB04D94F27keegannycaprrcom@130.133.1.4...
Is al Qaeda Just a Bush Boogeyman?
By Robert Scheer, AlterNet
Posted on January 11, 2005, Printed on January 13, 2005
http://www.alternet.org/story/20954/
Is it conceivable that al Qaeda, as defined by President Bush as the
center of a vast and well-organized international terrorist
conspiracy, does not exist?
Interesting. I will have to think about this.
It did seem odd to me at the time that the 9/11 attack was described
as being difficult to pull off. So much so that only a cat-stroking
James Bond evil mastermind would have a chance of success.
It was a bunch of guys with knives, for Pete's sake. They took
publicly accessible flight training courses. The hardest part of the
scheme was making sure they woke up on time to get to the airport.
There was really no vast conspiracy necessary.
the article interested me.
9/11 certainly worked in the interests of the bush administration. they
were able to remove constitutional rights, steal oil, spend billions on
the same corporations who contribute heavily to the gop, and steal the
presidency a 2nd time.
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under my name. I can post whatever I want. I even
documented my correction to your post."
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14 Jan 2005 12:48:38 AM |
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"james g. keegan jr." <keegan@nycap.rr.com> wrote in
news:Xns95DDBB24C5F94keegannycaprrcom@130.133.1.4:
"Denis Loubet" <dloubet@io.com> wrote in
news:ia6dnStgELJoYnvcRVn-iA@io.com:
"james g. keegan jr." <keegan@nycap.rr.com> wrote in message
news:Xns95DDB04D94F27keegannycaprrcom@130.133.1.4...
Is al Qaeda Just a Bush Boogeyman?
By Robert Scheer, AlterNet
Posted on January 11, 2005, Printed on January 13, 2005
http://www.alternet.org/story/20954/
Is it conceivable that al Qaeda, as defined by President Bush as the
center of a vast and well-organized international terrorist
conspiracy, does not exist?
Interesting. I will have to think about this.
It did seem odd to me at the time that the 9/11 attack was described
as being difficult to pull off. So much so that only a cat-stroking
James Bond evil mastermind would have a chance of success.
It was a bunch of guys with knives, for Pete's sake. They took
publicly accessible flight training courses. The hardest part of the
scheme was making sure they woke up on time to get to the airport.
There was really no vast conspiracy necessary.
the article interested me.
9/11 certainly worked in the interests of the bush administration. they
were able to remove constitutional rights,
Such as...?
steal oil,
What oil have we stolen?
and steal the presidency a 2nd time.
No evidence of that. More likely, Bush simply got more votes. Something
which really irks the Michael Moore left.
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14 Jan 2005 05:23:30 AM |
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Gactimus <gactimus@xrs.net> wrote:
"james g. keegan jr." <keegan@nycap.rr.com> wrote in
news:Xns95DDBB24C5F94keegannycaprrcom@130.133.1.4:
"Denis Loubet" <dloubet@io.com> wrote in
news:ia6dnStgELJoYnvcRVn-iA@io.com:
"james g. keegan jr." <keegan@nycap.rr.com> wrote in message
news:Xns95DDB04D94F27keegannycaprrcom@130.133.1.4...
Is al Qaeda Just a Bush Boogeyman?
By Robert Scheer, AlterNet
Posted on January 11, 2005, Printed on January 13, 2005
http://www.alternet.org/story/20954/
Is it conceivable that al Qaeda, as defined by President Bush as the
center of a vast and well-organized international terrorist
conspiracy, does not exist?
Interesting. I will have to think about this.
It did seem odd to me at the time that the 9/11 attack was described
as being difficult to pull off. So much so that only a cat-stroking
James Bond evil mastermind would have a chance of success.
It was a bunch of guys with knives, for Pete's sake. They took
publicly accessible flight training courses. The hardest part of the
scheme was making sure they woke up on time to get to the airport.
There was really no vast conspiracy necessary.
the article interested me.
9/11 certainly worked in the interests of the bush administration. they
were able to remove constitutional rights,
Such as...?
Are you brain damaged? People keep answering that question but you
never seem to be able to remember the answer.
--
Ray Fischer
rfischer@sonic.net
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18 Jan 2005 01:16:08 AM |
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On Fri, 14 Jan 2005 05:23:30 GMT, (Ray
Fischer) wrote:
Gactimus <gactimus@xrs.net> wrote:
"james g. keegan jr." <keegan@nycap.rr.com> wrote in
news:Xns95DDBB24C5F94keegannycaprrcom@130.133.1.4:
"Denis Loubet" <dloubet@io.com> wrote in
news:ia6dnStgELJoYnvcRVn-iA@io.com:
"james g. keegan jr." <keegan@nycap.rr.com> wrote in message
news:Xns95DDB04D94F27keegannycaprrcom@130.133.1.4...
Is al Qaeda Just a Bush Boogeyman?
By Robert Scheer, AlterNet
Posted on January 11, 2005, Printed on January 13, 2005
http://www.alternet.org/story/20954/
Is it conceivable that al Qaeda, as defined by President Bush as the
center of a vast and well-organized international terrorist
conspiracy, does not exist?
Interesting. I will have to think about this.
It did seem odd to me at the time that the 9/11 attack was described
as being difficult to pull off. So much so that only a cat-stroking
James Bond evil mastermind would have a chance of success.
It was a bunch of guys with knives, for Pete's sake. They took
publicly accessible flight training courses. The hardest part of the
scheme was making sure they woke up on time to get to the airport.
There was really no vast conspiracy necessary.
the article interested me.
9/11 certainly worked in the interests of the bush administration. they
were able to remove constitutional rights,
Such as...?
Are you brain damaged? People keep answering that question but you
never seem to be able to remember the answer.
That was a rhetorical question, right?
--
Contempt of Congress meter reading-offscale.
Hello, theocracy with a fundamentalist US Supreme
Court who will ensure church and state are joined
at the hip like clergy and altar boys.
America 1776-Jan 2001 RIP
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18 Jan 2005 05:09:55 AM |
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stoney <stoney@the.net> wrote:
On Fri, 14 Jan 2005 05:23:30 GMT, (Ray
Fischer) wrote:
Gactimus <gactimus@xrs.net> wrote:
"james g. keegan jr." <keegan@nycap.rr.com> wrote in
news:Xns95DDBB24C5F94keegannycaprrcom@130.133.1.4:
"Denis Loubet" <dloubet@io.com> wrote in
news:ia6dnStgELJoYnvcRVn-iA@io.com:
"james g. keegan jr." <keegan@nycap.rr.com> wrote in message
news:Xns95DDB04D94F27keegannycaprrcom@130.133.1.4...
Is al Qaeda Just a Bush Boogeyman?
By Robert Scheer, AlterNet
Posted on January 11, 2005, Printed on January 13, 2005
http://www.alternet.org/story/20954/
Is it conceivable that al Qaeda, as defined by President Bush as the
center of a vast and well-organized international terrorist
conspiracy, does not exist?
Interesting. I will have to think about this.
It did seem odd to me at the time that the 9/11 attack was described
as being difficult to pull off. So much so that only a cat-stroking
James Bond evil mastermind would have a chance of success.
It was a bunch of guys with knives, for Pete's sake. They took
publicly accessible flight training courses. The hardest part of the
scheme was making sure they woke up on time to get to the airport.
There was really no vast conspiracy necessary.
the article interested me.
9/11 certainly worked in the interests of the bush administration. they
were able to remove constitutional rights,
Such as...?
Are you brain damaged? People keep answering that question but you
never seem to be able to remember the answer.
That was a rhetorical question, right?
Sigh. Partly yes. Partly irrational optimism.
--
Ray Fischer
rfischer@sonic.net
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19 Jan 2005 01:23:05 AM |
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On Tue, 18 Jan 2005 05:09:55 GMT, (Ray
Fischer) wrote:
stoney <stoney@the.net> wrote:
On Fri, 14 Jan 2005 05:23:30 GMT, (Ray
Fischer) wrote:
Gactimus <gactimus@xrs.net> wrote:
"james g. keegan jr." <keegan@nycap.rr.com> wrote in
news:Xns95DDBB24C5F94keegannycaprrcom@130.133.1.4:
"Denis Loubet" <dloubet@io.com> wrote in
news:ia6dnStgELJoYnvcRVn-iA@io.com:
"james g. keegan jr." <keegan@nycap.rr.com> wrote in message
news:Xns95DDB04D94F27keegannycaprrcom@130.133.1.4...
Is al Qaeda Just a Bush Boogeyman?
By Robert Scheer, AlterNet
Posted on January 11, 2005, Printed on January 13, 2005
http://www.alternet.org/story/20954/
Is it conceivable that al Qaeda, as defined by President Bush as the
center of a vast and well-organized international terrorist
conspiracy, does not exist?
Interesting. I will have to think about this.
It did seem odd to me at the time that the 9/11 attack was described
as being difficult to pull off. So much so that only a cat-stroking
James Bond evil mastermind would have a chance of success.
It was a bunch of guys with knives, for Pete's sake. They took
publicly accessible flight training courses. The hardest part of the
scheme was making sure they woke up on time to get to the airport.
There was really no vast conspiracy necessary.
the article interested me.
9/11 certainly worked in the interests of the bush administration. they
were able to remove constitutional rights,
Such as...?
Are you brain damaged? People keep answering that question but you
never seem to be able to remember the answer.
That was a rhetorical question, right?
Sigh. Partly yes. Partly irrational optimism.
Ray, I can't fault you for the latter.
--
Contempt of Congress meter reading-offscale.
Hello, theocracy with a fundamentalist US Supreme
Court who will ensure church and state are joined
at the hip like clergy and altar boys.
America 1776-Jan 2001 RIP
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14 Jan 2005 06:51:51 AM |
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Ray Fischer wrote:
Gactimus <gactimus@xrs.net> wrote:
"james g. keegan jr." <keegan@nycap.rr.com> wrote in
news:Xns95DDBB24C5F94keegannycaprrcom@130.133.1.4:
"Denis Loubet" <dloubet@io.com> wrote in
news:ia6dnStgELJoYnvcRVn-iA@io.com:
"james g. keegan jr." <keegan@nycap.rr.com> wrote in message
news:Xns95DDB04D94F27keegannycaprrcom@130.133.1.4...
Is al Qaeda Just a Bush Boogeyman?
By Robert Scheer, AlterNet
Posted on January 11, 2005, Printed on January 13, 2005
http://www.alternet.org/story/20954/
Is it conceivable that al Qaeda, as defined by President Bush as the
center of a vast and well-organized international terrorist
conspiracy, does not exist?
Interesting. I will have to think about this.
It did seem odd to me at the time that the 9/11 attack was described
as being difficult to pull off. So much so that only a cat-stroking
James Bond evil mastermind would have a chance of success.
It was a bunch of guys with knives, for Pete's sake. They took
publicly accessible flight training courses. The hardest part of the
scheme was making sure they woke up on time to get to the airport.
There was really no vast conspiracy necessary.
the article interested me.
9/11 certainly worked in the interests of the bush administration. they
were able to remove constitutional rights,
Such as...?
Are you brain damaged?
What's to damage??
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14 Jan 2005 12:19:32 PM |
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"ur_droll" <chex@xtra.co.nz> wrote in message
news:80KFd.7853$mo2.548697@news.xtra.co.nz...
Ray Fischer wrote:
Gactimus <gactimus@xrs.net> wrote:
"james g. keegan jr." <keegan@nycap.rr.com> wrote in
news:Xns95DDBB24C5F94keegannycaprrcom@130.133.1.4:
"Denis Loubet" <dloubet@io.com> wrote in
news:ia6dnStgELJoYnvcRVn-iA@io.com:
"james g. keegan jr." <keegan@nycap.rr.com> wrote in message
news:Xns95DDB04D94F27keegannycaprrcom@130.133.1.4...
Is al Qaeda Just a Bush Boogeyman?
By Robert Scheer, AlterNet
Posted on January 11, 2005, Printed on January 13, 2005
http://www.alternet.org/story/20954/
Is it conceivable that al Qaeda, as defined by President Bush as the
center of a vast and well-organized international terrorist
conspiracy, does not exist?
Interesting. I will have to think about this.
It did seem odd to me at the time that the 9/11 attack was described
as being difficult to pull off. So much so that only a cat-stroking
James Bond evil mastermind would have a chance of success.
It was a bunch of guys with knives, for Pete's sake. They took
publicly accessible flight training courses. The hardest part of the
scheme was making sure they woke up on time to get to the airport.
There was really no vast conspiracy necessary.
the article interested me.
9/11 certainly worked in the interests of the bush administration. they
were able to remove constitutional rights,
Such as...?
Are you brain damaged?
What's to damage??
in your case there's nothing to hurt kiwi.
10 Things To Say When Called To The Office
1. "I'm gonna kill her"
2. "*****, They found the body"
3. "Where's my lawyer?"
4. "He's still alive?"
5. "They've got nothing on me"
6. "I thought I got rid of the evidence"
7. "I told him to hide the body in the boiler, not the shed"
8. "*****"
9. "I didn't do it"
10. "Can they convict me on heresay?"
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18 Jan 2005 01:15:29 AM |
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On Thu, 13 Jan 2005 17:09:13 -0600, "Denis Loubet" <dloubet@io.com>
wrote:
"james g. keegan jr." <keegan@nycap.rr.com> wrote in message
news:Xns95DDB04D94F27keegannycaprrcom@130.133.1.4...
Is al Qaeda Just a Bush Boogeyman?
By Robert Scheer, AlterNet
Posted on January 11, 2005, Printed on January 13, 2005
http://www.alternet.org/story/20954/
Is it conceivable that al Qaeda, as defined by President Bush as the
center of a vast and well-organized international terrorist conspiracy,
does not exist?
Interesting. I will have to think about this.
It did seem odd to me at the time that the 9/11 attack was described as
being difficult to pull off. So much so that only a cat-stroking James Bond
evil mastermind would have a chance of success.
It was a bunch of guys with knives, for Pete's sake. They took publicly
accessible flight training courses. The hardest part of the scheme was
making sure they woke up on time to get to the airport.
There was really no vast conspiracy necessary.
Exactly.
--
Contempt of Congress meter reading-offscale.
Hello, theocracy with a fundamentalist US Supreme
Court who will ensure church and state are joined
at the hip like clergy and altar boys.
America 1776-Jan 2001 RIP
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14 Jan 2005 05:44:19 PM |
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james g. keegan jr. wrote:
Is al Qaeda Just a Bush Boogeyman?
By Robert Scheer, AlterNet
Posted on January 11, 2005, Printed on January 13, 2005
http://www.alternet.org/story/20954/
Is it conceivable that al Qaeda, as defined by President Bush as the
center of a vast and well-organized international terrorist conspiracy,
does not exist?
To even raise the question amid all the officially inspired hysteria is
heretical, especially in the context of the U.S. media's supine
acceptance of administration claims relating to national security. Yet a
brilliant new BBC film produced by one of Britain's leading documentary
filmmakers systematically challenges this and many other accepted
articles of faith in the so-called war on terror.
The Power of Nightmares: The Rise of the Politics of Fear, a three-hour
historical film by Adam Curtis recently aired by the British
Broadcasting Corp., argues coherently that much of what we have been
told about the threat of international terrorism "is a fantasy that has
been exaggerated and distorted by politicians. It is a dark illusion
that has spread unquestioned through governments around the world, the
security services and the international media."
'The power of nightmares' can be seen here....
http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/video1037.htm
--
Jez
'Realism is seductive because once you have accepted the reasonable
notion that you should base your actions on reality, you are too often
led to accept, without much questioning, someone else's version of what
that reality is. It is a crucial act of independent thinking to be
skeptical of someone else's description of reality.'-
Howard Zinn
NFS Underground2, Americas Army And MOH-PA
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