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"HVAC" |
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09 Sep 2007 08:10:11 AM |
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Is America At War? |
<pbamvv@worldonline.nl> wrote in message news:
1189341366.948047.5720@r34g2000hsd.googlegroups.com...
The only question remaining is how much suffering will we endure along
the way..... How many 9/11's, how many Cole's, how many future
tragedies
will we take before all Americans realize that we are, in fact, at war.
Just go to Afganistan or Iraq
then you will find out what being at war reallly means.
The USA - I think - hasn't any real war experience since General Lee
capitulated.
For US citizens war is something that happens in far away countries I
gather.
But 6 years ago, Tuesday, it was brought home to us....On OUR
shores, to OUR people. There are few Americans who don't remember
that day of days.
Most Americans know someone who is or has been deployed to
Afghanistan
or Iraq. Unlike General Grant, who uttered the phrase "War is all
hell", we today
don't seem inclined to fight the way Grant did. Grant believed that
war is such
a horrible undertaking that it is the duty of a leader to make that
war so bloody, so
ruthless and so complete that our enemies would never steer that
course again.
Today, we want to fight a politically correct war... What we need to
do is "make em howl".
U.S. Grant would've.
~
"...All the labors of the ages, all the devotion, all the inspiration,
all the noonday brightness of human genius, are destined to extinction
in the vast death of the solar system, and the whole temple of Mans
achievement must inevitably be buried beneath the debris of a universe
in ruins..." - Bertrand Russel
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| User: "" |
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| Title: Re: Is America At War? |
09 Sep 2007 12:31:48 PM |
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On 9 sep, 15:10, HVAC <MR.H...@gmail.com> wrote:
<pba...@worldonline.nl> wrote in message news:
1189341366.948047.5...@r34g2000hsd.googlegroups.com...
The only question remaining is how much suffering will we endure along
the way..... How many 9/11's, how many Cole's, how many future
tragedies
will we take before all Americans realize that we are, in fact, at war.
Just go to Afganistan or Iraq
then you will find out what being at war reallly means.
The USA - I think - hasn't any real war experience since General Lee
capitulated.
For US citizens war is something that happens in far away countries I
gather.
But 6 years ago, Tuesday, it was brought home to us....On OUR
shores, to OUR people. There are few Americans who don't remember
that day of days.
Most Americans know someone who is or has been deployed to
Afghanistan
or Iraq. Unlike General Grant, who uttered the phrase "War is all
hell", we today
don't seem inclined to fight the way Grant did. Grant believed that
war is such
a horrible undertaking that it is the duty of a leader to make that
war so bloody, so
ruthless and so complete that our enemies would never steer that
course again.
Today, we want to fight a politically correct war... What we need to
do is "make em howl".
U.S. Grant would've.
1. 9/11 is to Hiroshima what a single casualty is to 9/11
It hardly counts as far as suffering from war is concerned.
2. You can't fight terrorists the way Grant did.
Grant attacked an enemy that was clearly visable
Actually the way Bush is doing it isn't mucht better
Al Quaida seems to be stronger then before.
But at least some terrrorist did perish.
If you do ik like Grant, you'll catch none.
3. If you like the way Grant was fighting:
Grants acts of war costed 60.000 lifes on the union side alone.
I acknowledge Bushes Iraqi campaign probably will cost much more
American lifes than 9/11 did. But he is a saint compared to Grant.
Peter van Velzen
September 2007
Amstelveen
The Netherlands
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| User: "mike3" |
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| Title: Re: Is America At War? |
10 Sep 2007 06:57:27 PM |
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On Sep 9, 11:31 am, "pba...@worldonline.nl" <pba...@worldonline.nl>
wrote:
On 9 sep, 15:10, HVAC <MR.H...@gmail.com> wrote:
<pba...@worldonline.nl> wrote in message news:
1189341366.948047.5...@r34g2000hsd.googlegroups.com...
The only question remaining is how much suffering will we endure along
the way..... How many 9/11's, how many Cole's, how many future
tragedies
will we take before all Americans realize that we are, in fact, at war.
Just go to Afganistan or Iraq
then you will find out what being at war reallly means.
The USA - I think - hasn't any real war experience since General Lee
capitulated.
For US citizens war is something that happens in far away countries I
gather.
But 6 years ago, Tuesday, it was brought home to us....On OUR
shores, to OUR people. There are few Americans who don't remember
that day of days.
Most Americans know someone who is or has been deployed to
Afghanistan
or Iraq. Unlike General Grant, who uttered the phrase "War is all
hell", we today
don't seem inclined to fight the way Grant did. Grant believed that
war is such
a horrible undertaking that it is the duty of a leader to make that
war so bloody, so
ruthless and so complete that our enemies would never steer that
course again.
Today, we want to fight a politically correct war... What we need to
do is "make em howl".
U.S. Grant would've.
1. 9/11 is to Hiroshima what a single casualty is to 9/11
It hardly counts as far as suffering from war is concerned.
However, *Iraq* has killed more than were killed
in Hiroshima, over 665,000 dead.
2. You can't fight terrorists the way Grant did.
Grant attacked an enemy that was clearly visable
Actually the way Bush is doing it isn't mucht better
Al Quaida seems to be stronger then before.
But at least some terrrorist did perish.
If you do ik like Grant, you'll catch none.
No it's not.
3. If you like the way Grant was fighting:
Grants acts of war costed 60.000 lifes on the union side alone.
I acknowledge Bushes Iraqi campaign probably will cost much more
American lifes than 9/11 did. But he is a saint compared to Grant.
It already has cost more American lives. I think we're
nearing 4000 dead there.
Peter van Velzen
September 2007
Amstelveen
The Netherlands
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| User: "Free Lunch" |
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| Title: Re: Is America At War? |
10 Sep 2007 07:01:48 PM |
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On Mon, 10 Sep 2007 16:57:27 -0700, in alt.atheism
mike3 <mike4ty4@yahoo.com> wrote in
<1189468647.189865.280470@k79g2000hse.googlegroups.com>:
On Sep 9, 11:31 am, "pba...@worldonline.nl" <pba...@worldonline.nl>
wrote:
On 9 sep, 15:10, HVAC <MR.H...@gmail.com> wrote:
<pba...@worldonline.nl> wrote in message news:
1189341366.948047.5...@r34g2000hsd.googlegroups.com...
The only question remaining is how much suffering will we endure along
the way..... How many 9/11's, how many Cole's, how many future
tragedies
will we take before all Americans realize that we are, in fact, at war.
Just go to Afganistan or Iraq
then you will find out what being at war reallly means.
The USA - I think - hasn't any real war experience since General Lee
capitulated.
For US citizens war is something that happens in far away countries I
gather.
But 6 years ago, Tuesday, it was brought home to us....On OUR
shores, to OUR people. There are few Americans who don't remember
that day of days.
Most Americans know someone who is or has been deployed to
Afghanistan
or Iraq. Unlike General Grant, who uttered the phrase "War is all
hell", we today
don't seem inclined to fight the way Grant did. Grant believed that
war is such
a horrible undertaking that it is the duty of a leader to make that
war so bloody, so
ruthless and so complete that our enemies would never steer that
course again.
Today, we want to fight a politically correct war... What we need to
do is "make em howl".
U.S. Grant would've.
1. 9/11 is to Hiroshima what a single casualty is to 9/11
It hardly counts as far as suffering from war is concerned.
However, *Iraq* has killed more than were killed
in Hiroshima, over 665,000 dead.
2. You can't fight terrorists the way Grant did.
Grant attacked an enemy that was clearly visable
Actually the way Bush is doing it isn't mucht better
Al Quaida seems to be stronger then before.
But at least some terrrorist did perish.
If you do ik like Grant, you'll catch none.
No it's not.
3. If you like the way Grant was fighting:
Grants acts of war costed 60.000 lifes on the union side alone.
I acknowledge Bushes Iraqi campaign probably will cost much more
American lifes than 9/11 did. But he is a saint compared to Grant.
It already has cost more American lives. I think we're
nearing 4000 dead there.
And that doesn't count the armed 'contractors'.
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| User: "mike3" |
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| Title: Re: Is America At War? |
11 Sep 2007 11:49:21 PM |
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On Sep 10, 6:01 pm, Free Lunch <lu...@nofreelunch.us> wrote:
On Mon, 10 Sep 2007 16:57:27 -0700, in alt.atheism
mike3 <mike4...@yahoo.com> wrote in
<1189468647.189865.280...@k79g2000hse.googlegroups.com>:
On Sep 9, 11:31 am, "pba...@worldonline.nl" <pba...@worldonline.nl>
wrote:
On 9 sep, 15:10, HVAC <MR.H...@gmail.com> wrote:
<pba...@worldonline.nl> wrote in message news:
1189341366.948047.5...@r34g2000hsd.googlegroups.com...
The only question remaining is how much suffering will we endure along
the way..... How many 9/11's, how many Cole's, how many future
tragedies
will we take before all Americans realize that we are, in fact, at war.
Just go to Afganistan or Iraq
then you will find out what being at war reallly means.
The USA - I think - hasn't any real war experience since General Lee
capitulated.
For US citizens war is something that happens in far away countries I
gather.
But 6 years ago, Tuesday, it was brought home to us....On OUR
shores, to OUR people. There are few Americans who don't remember
that day of days.
Most Americans know someone who is or has been deployed to
Afghanistan
or Iraq. Unlike General Grant, who uttered the phrase "War is all
hell", we today
don't seem inclined to fight the way Grant did. Grant believed that
war is such
a horrible undertaking that it is the duty of a leader to make that
war so bloody, so
ruthless and so complete that our enemies would never steer that
course again.
Today, we want to fight a politically correct war... What we need to
do is "make em howl".
U.S. Grant would've.
1. 9/11 is to Hiroshima what a single casualty is to 9/11
It hardly counts as far as suffering from war is concerned.
However, *Iraq* has killed more than were killed
in Hiroshima, over 665,000 dead.
2. You can't fight terrorists the way Grant did.
Grant attacked an enemy that was clearly visable
Actually the way Bush is doing it isn't mucht better
Al Quaida seems to be stronger then before.
But at least some terrrorist did perish.
If you do ik like Grant, you'll catch none.
No it's not.
3. If you like the way Grant was fighting:
Grants acts of war costed 60.000 lifes on the union side alone.
I acknowledge Bushes Iraqi campaign probably will cost much more
American lifes than 9/11 did. But he is a saint compared to Grant.
It already has cost more American lives. I think we're
nearing 4000 dead there.
And that doesn't count the armed 'contractors'.
Think more of them died too?
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| User: "Free Lunch" |
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| Title: Re: Is America At War? |
09 Sep 2007 12:34:17 PM |
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On Sun, 09 Sep 2007 10:31:48 -0700, in alt.atheism
"pbamvv@worldonline.nl" <pbamvv@worldonline.nl> wrote in
<1189359108.071772.181920@22g2000hsm.googlegroups.com>:
On 9 sep, 15:10, HVAC <MR.H...@gmail.com> wrote:
<pba...@worldonline.nl> wrote in message news:
1189341366.948047.5...@r34g2000hsd.googlegroups.com...
The only question remaining is how much suffering will we endure along
the way..... How many 9/11's, how many Cole's, how many future
tragedies
will we take before all Americans realize that we are, in fact, at war.
Just go to Afganistan or Iraq
then you will find out what being at war reallly means.
The USA - I think - hasn't any real war experience since General Lee
capitulated.
For US citizens war is something that happens in far away countries I
gather.
But 6 years ago, Tuesday, it was brought home to us....On OUR
shores, to OUR people. There are few Americans who don't remember
that day of days.
Most Americans know someone who is or has been deployed to
Afghanistan
or Iraq. Unlike General Grant, who uttered the phrase "War is all
hell", we today
don't seem inclined to fight the way Grant did. Grant believed that
war is such
a horrible undertaking that it is the duty of a leader to make that
war so bloody, so
ruthless and so complete that our enemies would never steer that
course again.
Today, we want to fight a politically correct war... What we need to
do is "make em howl".
U.S. Grant would've.
1. 9/11 is to Hiroshima what a single casualty is to 9/11
It hardly counts as far as suffering from war is concerned.
2. You can't fight terrorists the way Grant did.
Grant attacked an enemy that was clearly visable
Actually the way Bush is doing it isn't mucht better
Al Quaida seems to be stronger then before.
But at least some terrrorist did perish.
If you do ik like Grant, you'll catch none.
3. If you like the way Grant was fighting:
Grants acts of war costed 60.000 lifes on the union side alone.
I acknowledge Bushes Iraqi campaign probably will cost much more
American lifes than 9/11 did. But he is a saint compared to Grant.
And far less successful than Grant.
Peter van Velzen
September 2007
Amstelveen
The Netherlands
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| User: "" |
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| Title: Re: Is America At War? |
10 Sep 2007 06:11:09 AM |
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On 9 sep, 19:34, Free Lunch <lu...@nofreelunch.us> wrote:
On Sun, 09 Sep 2007 10:31:48 -0700, in alt.atheism
"pba...@worldonline.nl" <pba...@worldonline.nl> wrote in
<1189359108.071772.181...@22g2000hsm.googlegroups.com>:
On 9 sep, 15:10, HVAC <MR.H...@gmail.com> wrote:
<pba...@worldonline.nl> wrote in message news:
1189341366.948047.5...@r34g2000hsd.googlegroups.com...
The only question remaining is how much suffering will we endure along
the way..... How many 9/11's, how many Cole's, how many future
tragedies
will we take before all Americans realize that we are, in fact, at war.
Just go to Afganistan or Iraq
then you will find out what being at war reallly means.
The USA - I think - hasn't any real war experience since General Lee
capitulated.
For US citizens war is something that happens in far away countries I
gather.
But 6 years ago, Tuesday, it was brought home to us....On OUR
shores, to OUR people. There are few Americans who don't remember
that day of days.
Most Americans know someone who is or has been deployed to
Afghanistan
or Iraq. Unlike General Grant, who uttered the phrase "War is all
hell", we today
don't seem inclined to fight the way Grant did. Grant believed that
war is such
a horrible undertaking that it is the duty of a leader to make that
war so bloody, so
ruthless and so complete that our enemies would never steer that
course again.
Today, we want to fight a politically correct war... What we need to
do is "make em howl".
U.S. Grant would've.
1. 9/11 is to Hiroshima what a single casualty is to 9/11
It hardly counts as far as suffering from war is concerned.
2. You can't fight terrorists the way Grant did.
Grant attacked an enemy that was clearly visable
Actually the way Bush is doing it isn't mucht better
Al Quaida seems to be stronger then before.
But at least some terrrorist did perish.
If you do ik like Grant, you'll catch none.
3. If you like the way Grant was fighting:
Grants acts of war costed 60.000 lifes on the union side alone.
I acknowledge Bushes Iraqi campaign probably will cost much more
American lifes than 9/11 did. But he is a saint compared to Grant.
And far less successful than Grant.
wat till Bin Laden walks the banks of the Potomac river,
then Bush'll get him!
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