In article <42754E44.FAD6F218@worldnet.att.net>,
Roy Jose Lorr <mosestorah@worldnet.att.net> wrote:

atheism did not give us communism, nor communism give us atheism.

They grew together, joined at the hip, out of animus toward God.

Like theism and idiocy.

communism [more accurately: Bolshevism] is a culture and

system whose religion is Marxism.

Marxism grew from atheism.

It grew from the manifest inequities enforced by theism.
Mere belief in a god is not Marxism, it was fed by the inequities
supported by the bureaucracy of established religion in europe.

that should be enough of a clue for you to realize that atheism

a religion. but Marxism certainly is; it is a form of Messianism

reinterprets Hegel's dialectic by materialism. It is Marxism

fuels Bolshevism, providing simple answers for matters too

the common person to examine carefully, and most importantly

a historical eschatology, a common destiny, for Marxists.

Marxism growing out of atheism makes the above wrong.

But as it didn't, it doesn't.

Atheism is a pernicious religious belief that God can be
expunged from the mind and the world.

Wrong on most counts.

a religion is what a religion does: provide cohesion for a

unifying a people, and most importantly providing a common

that people. all peoples who have a higher culture have

might even argue that all peoples have religion in at least an
incipient form from the time they begin to mark out the sacred

profane.

Atheism fits that scenario perfectly, as a religion that has
chosen to worship the profane over the sacred.

Every religion ends up doing that.

Where atheism takes root, despotism as culture follows.

Where one religion takes root, despotism of government follows.

A distorted concept of religion is thinking

is what Lorr has.

A distorted concept of history is thinking communism does
not preach atheism.

Communism "Preaches" anti-church or anti-organised religion, which is
not at all the same thing.

Confusing communism [a religion] with atheism, and religion [a

adhesive] with theism, is ignorance.

Ignorance is thinking atheism is not a religion.

Abject ignorance is thinking that it must be one.

Without God, there'd be no "human" activity whatsoever.

Then lets all be inhuman and excape from that tyrrany.

Roy Jose Lorr wrote:

"Ha SATAN [Sin Tet Nun]" wrote:

Dr. Jai Maharaj wrote:

In article <10tce.11$cA6.5@okepread02>,
"harmony" <aka@hotmail.com> posted:

Atheism is very much a religion based on doctrinal
belief.

but which prophet taught these doctrines

You know, the commies.

i think atheism is merely challenging kirastani ulloos and
telling them to keep kirastanism confined to jerusalem.

Yes, these western atheists target Judeo-Christians. But
the commie, Maoist ones in Bengal and Kerala target Hindus.
Most atheists seem to support Muslim terrorists, however,
or enable them by keeping quiet about Muslim terrorism.

Jai Maharaj
http://www.mantra.com/jai
Om Shanti

atheism did not give us communism, nor communism give us atheism.

They grew together, joined at the hip, out of animus toward God.

Absolutely false; the Young Hegelians merely inverted the Spirit of
History.

But in fact, "communism" requires no atheism

as is
exemplified by the New testament account of the Messianic Jewish
followers of Yeshua in Jerusalem.

communism [more accurately: Bolshevism] is a culture and political
system whose religion is Marxism.

Marxism grew from atheism.

Marxism didn't "grow" anywhere; it was invented by Karl Marx based on
the lectures on dialectics by Hegel.

that should be enough of a clue for you to realize that atheism is

not

a religion. but Marxism certainly is; it is a form of Messianism

which

reinterprets Hegel's dialectic by materialism. It is Marxism which
fuels Bolshevism, providing simple answers for matters too complex

for

the common person to examine carefully, and most importantly

providing

a historical eschatology, a common destiny, for Marxists.

Marxism growing out of atheism makes the above wrong.

Marxism was an invention of Karl Marx based on the lectures of Hegel;
it was independent of the social democratic movements of 1848 in
Germany which caught Marx completely by surprise and whose principles
were actually more conservative than today's so-called conservatives.

which brings us to the definition of religion.

Just as atheism, the absence of a property [the absence of a belief

in

deities], is not a religion, so religion is not equivalent to a

belief

in deities or the supernatural.

Atheism is a pernicious religious belief that God can be
expunged from the mind and the world.

atheism is the absence of a property, just as some of us lack the
Rhesus monkey allele and so are RH NEG.

a religion is what a religion does: provide cohesion for a culture,
unifying a people, and most importantly providing a common destiny

for

that people. all peoples who have a higher culture have religion.

one

might even argue that all peoples have religion in at least an
incipient form from the time they begin to mark out the sacred and
profane.

Atheism fits that scenario perfectly, as a religion that has
chosen to worship the profane over the sacred.

atheism defines an absence of a property [belief or even opinion].
the absence of a literal belief in deities requires no worship of
profane.

you also presume that an atheist does not have a culture where he
participates in the rituals of sacred and profane, so you have two
errors there, both caused by your faulty definitions.

1. atheism is not equivalent to religion; it is the absence of a belief
in deities

2. religion does not require theism

one might also say that the nature of the religion is a barometer

of

the culture.

Where atheism takes root, despotism as culture follows.

rather, where traditional morals are confused distorted and made
shameful, social chaos takes root, and despotism follows.

that is the condition of the european peoples now.
believing in a literal deity is actually part of the problem and has
worked against vitality and common sense.

making the claim that atheism is a religion is merely symptomatic

of

one's own distorted concept of religion.

A distorted concept of religion is thinking that atheism is not a

religion.

making the claim that communists gave us atheism is merely

symptomatic

of one's own distorted concept of history.

A distorted concept of history is thinking communism does
not preach atheism.

i doubt even that you could define communism nor would recognize it if
you saw it in action.
atheism was defined for you many times.

Confusing communism [a religion] with atheism, and religion [a

cultural

adhesive] with theism, is ignorance.

spectator sports or the World Cup not a religion? is

Keynesian economics not a religion?

None of these require theism.

Without God, there'd be no "human" activity whatsoever.

i see. why not redefine your theism as `islam` --"surrender" -- because
that is the result: surrendering one's mind and life to an abstraction
which is then harnessed by a tyrant who wields you like any tool of his
choosing.

Give me a jingle when you've gotten God out of your mind, or
when you can keep Him from the mind of anyone in this
creation, or when you can keep God out of your own child's
mind... if you have one.

once a hymen is punctured, virginity is lost; once one has encountered
the Meme [any meme], it must be confronted; what i am saying to you is
that your argument is merely Anselm's argument and has been
deconstructed ages ago.

read st. anselm's argument and you will see that what you argue is
nothing new and has been addressed centuries ago.