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"Useful Info" |
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06 Apr 2007 08:44:47 AM |
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Is atheism a religion? No. |
Ah, let me count the ways.
http://home.comcast.net/~plutarch/atheism.html
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| User: "Martin Phipps" |
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| Title: Re: Is atheism a religion? No. |
11 Apr 2007 04:46:52 AM |
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On Apr 11, 12:42 am, "Robibnikoff" <witchy...@broomstick.com> wrote:
"Richo" <m.richard...@utas.edu.au> wrote in message
news:1176187048.614814.292200@p77g2000hsh.googlegroups.com...
On Apr 10, 12:53 pm, DanielSan <daniel-...@myrealbox.com> wrote:
Ron Peterson wrote:
On Apr 8, 9:59 am, "Bill M" <w...@bellsouth.net> wrote:
Religion is based on pure faith with NO objective verifiable evidence.
No. Many religions don't require faith.
Atheism is based on objective verifiable evidence that NO gods exist.
No. There isn't any such evidence. Atheism is based on the idea that
religion is harmful to people.
That's not correct, either.
I would say "Thats not correct for everyone".
And you'd still be incorrect. Atheism is the lack of belief in god(s).
There are different ways to end up godless.
Like everyone, I was born that way.
You were born without belief in any specific god. That being said,
for a lot of theists, their faith in their god is just a substitute
for the faith they might have had in their parents. People may have
created gods to recapture that sense of child like wonder one feels
when one still believes that our parents are infalliable.
Martin
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| User: "Richo" |
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| Title: Re: Is atheism a religion? No. |
10 Apr 2007 07:28:51 PM |
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On Apr 11, 2:42 am, "Robibnikoff" <witchy...@broomstick.com> wrote:
"Richo" <m.richard...@utas.edu.au> wrote in message
news:1176187048.614814.292200@p77g2000hsh.googlegroups.com...
On Apr 10, 12:53 pm, DanielSan <daniel-...@myrealbox.com> wrote:
Ron Peterson wrote:
On Apr 8, 9:59 am, "Bill M" <w...@bellsouth.net> wrote:
Religion is based on pure faith with NO objective verifiable evidence.
No. Many religions don't require faith.
Atheism is based on objective verifiable evidence that NO gods exist.
No. There isn't any such evidence. Atheism is based on the idea that
religion is harmful to people.
That's not correct, either.
I would say "Thats not correct for everyone".
And you'd still be incorrect. Atheism is the lack of belief in god(s).
I know atheism is the lack of belief in gods.
I also know atheists are not a mob of identically thinking robots.
8-)
We dont have a Pope who can excuminicate us from atheism because we
fail to not - believe for the approved reasons.
If you tell me you not - believe for some reason it doesnt exclude
other people from not believeing for a differnt reason.
That's all I am saying.
There are different ways to end up godless.
Like everyone, I was born that way.
Everyone is also born a non smoker - what gets interesting is what we
choose to do and how we choose to think once we can think about stuff.
Just so you know - I have never believed in God or any other divine
being.
One of the reasons I dont believe is that I have seen what believing
can do to peoples minds and morals.
Mark.
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| User: "Robibnikoff" |
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| Title: Re: Is atheism a religion? No. |
11 Apr 2007 11:41:34 AM |
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"Richo" <m.richardson@utas.edu.au> wrote in message
news:1176251331.609276.288860@l77g2000hsb.googlegroups.com...
On Apr 11, 2:42 am, "Robibnikoff" <witchy...@broomstick.com> wrote:
"Richo" <m.richard...@utas.edu.au> wrote in message
news:1176187048.614814.292200@p77g2000hsh.googlegroups.com...
On Apr 10, 12:53 pm, DanielSan <daniel-...@myrealbox.com> wrote:
Ron Peterson wrote:
On Apr 8, 9:59 am, "Bill M" <w...@bellsouth.net> wrote:
Religion is based on pure faith with NO objective verifiable
evidence.
No. Many religions don't require faith.
Atheism is based on objective verifiable evidence that NO gods
exist.
No. There isn't any such evidence. Atheism is based on the idea that
religion is harmful to people.
That's not correct, either.
I would say "Thats not correct for everyone".
And you'd still be incorrect. Atheism is the lack of belief in god(s).
I know atheism is the lack of belief in gods.
I also know atheists are not a mob of identically thinking robots.
8-)
We dont have a Pope who can excuminicate us from atheism because we
fail to not - believe for the approved reasons.
If you tell me you not - believe for some reason it doesnt exclude
other people from not believeing for a differnt reason.
That's all I am saying.
There are different ways to end up godless.
Like everyone, I was born that way.
Everyone is also born a non smoker - what gets interesting is what we
choose to do and how we choose to think once we can think about stuff.
Just so you know - I have never believed in God or any other divine
being.
One of the reasons I dont believe is that I have seen what believing
can do to peoples minds and morals.
I don't believe because there's no objective, verifable evidence that god(s)
exist.
--
Robyn
Resident Witchypoo
BAAWA Knight!
#1557
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| User: "Richo" |
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| Title: Re: Is atheism a religion? No. |
11 Apr 2007 08:31:28 PM |
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On Apr 12, 2:41 am, "Robibnikoff" <witchy...@broomstick.com> wrote:
"Richo" <m.richard...@utas.edu.au> wrote in message
news:1176251331.609276.288860@l77g2000hsb.googlegroups.com...
On Apr 11, 2:42 am, "Robibnikoff" <witchy...@broomstick.com> wrote:
"Richo" <m.richard...@utas.edu.au> wrote in message
news:1176187048.614814.292200@p77g2000hsh.googlegroups.com...
On Apr 10, 12:53 pm, DanielSan <daniel-...@myrealbox.com> wrote:
Ron Peterson wrote:
On Apr 8, 9:59 am, "Bill M" <w...@bellsouth.net> wrote:
Religion is based on pure faith with NO objective verifiable
evidence.
No. Many religions don't require faith.
Atheism is based on objective verifiable evidence that NO gods
exist.
No. There isn't any such evidence. Atheism is based on the idea that
religion is harmful to people.
That's not correct, either.
I would say "Thats not correct for everyone".
And you'd still be incorrect. Atheism is the lack of belief in god(s).
I know atheism is the lack of belief in gods.
I also know atheists are not a mob of identically thinking robots.
8-)
We dont have a Pope who can excuminicate us from atheism because we
fail to not - believe for the approved reasons.
If you tell me you not - believe for some reason it doesnt exclude
other people from not believeing for a differnt reason.
That's all I am saying.
There are different ways to end up godless.
Like everyone, I was born that way.
Everyone is also born a non smoker - what gets interesting is what we
choose to do and how we choose to think once we can think about stuff.
Just so you know - I have never believed in God or any other divine
being.
One of the reasons I dont believe is that I have seen what believing
can do to peoples minds and morals.
I don't believe because there's no objective, verifable evidence that god(s)
exist.
Which is cool.
I also like to know what is objectively real - its why I am into
science - physics, astronomy and the earth sciences in particular.
I also like to think about philosophy and ethics.
I am against the worship of gods - irrespective of whether they exist
or not.
I dont know if Jesus existed or not - but I am not worshiping him in
either case.
Mark.
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| User: "gorn" |
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| Title: Re: Is atheism a religion? No. |
11 Apr 2007 02:05:28 AM |
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On Apr 10, 5:28 pm, "Richo" <m.richard...@utas.edu.au> wrote:
On Apr 11, 2:42 am, "Robibnikoff" <witchy...@broomstick.com> wrote:
"Richo" <m.richard...@utas.edu.au> wrote in message
news:1176187048.614814.292200@p77g2000hsh.googlegroups.com...
On Apr 10, 12:53 pm, DanielSan <daniel-...@myrealbox.com> wrote:
Ron Peterson wrote:
On Apr 8, 9:59 am, "Bill M" <w...@bellsouth.net> wrote:
Religion is based on pure faith with NO objective verifiable evidence.
No. Many religions don't require faith.
Atheism is based on objective verifiable evidence that NO gods exist.
No. There isn't any such evidence. Atheism is based on the idea that
religion is harmful to people.
That's not correct, either.
I would say "Thats not correct for everyone".
And you'd still be incorrect. Atheism is the lack of belief in god(s).
I know atheism is the lack of belief in gods.
I also know atheists are not a mob of identically thinking robots.
8-)
We dont have a Pope who can excuminicate us from atheism because we
fail to not - believe for the approved reasons.
If you tell me you not - believe for some reason it doesnt exclude
other people from not believeing for a differnt reason.
That's all I am saying.
There are different ways to end up godless.
Like everyone, I was born that way.
Everyone is also born a non smoker - what gets interesting is what we
choose to do and how we choose to think once we can think about stuff.
Just so you know - I have never believed in God or any other divine
being.
One of the reasons I dont believe is that I have seen what believing
can do to peoples minds and morals.
Mark.
And like smoking, we usually learn our religion from our parents and/
or peers. Like smoking, religious thinking is addictive and a very
difficult habit to kick. Both can be quite harmful, although some
manage to live normal lives with it. Both are highly annoying, and
considered dangerous, but those forced to be in proximity to the
addicted. Both are supported by a vast storehouse of twisted logic.
Both have thrived longer than they should thanks to false science.
Both have brought good relationships to ruin.
There is one striking difference, though: One manifests its additive
pressures during sex ("oh god! oh god!!"), and the other immediately
after.
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| User: "Richo" |
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| Title: Re: Is atheism a religion? No. |
11 Apr 2007 06:48:54 AM |
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On Apr 11, 5:05 pm, "gorn" <j...@thenetmail.com> wrote:
On Apr 10, 5:28 pm, "Richo" <m.richard...@utas.edu.au> wrote:
On Apr 11, 2:42 am, "Robibnikoff" <witchy...@broomstick.com> wrote:
"Richo" <m.richard...@utas.edu.au> wrote in message
news:1176187048.614814.292200@p77g2000hsh.googlegroups.com...
On Apr 10, 12:53 pm, DanielSan <daniel-...@myrealbox.com> wrote:
Ron Peterson wrote:
On Apr 8, 9:59 am, "Bill M" <w...@bellsouth.net> wrote:
Religion is based on pure faith with NO objective verifiable evidence.
No. Many religions don't require faith.
Atheism is based on objective verifiable evidence that NO gods exist.
No. There isn't any such evidence. Atheism is based on the idea that
religion is harmful to people.
That's not correct, either.
I would say "Thats not correct for everyone".
And you'd still be incorrect. Atheism is the lack of belief in god(s).
I know atheism is the lack of belief in gods.
I also know atheists are not a mob of identically thinking robots.
8-)
We dont have a Pope who can excuminicate us from atheism because we
fail to not - believe for the approved reasons.
If you tell me you not - believe for some reason it doesnt exclude
other people from not believeing for a differnt reason.
That's all I am saying.
There are different ways to end up godless.
Like everyone, I was born that way.
Everyone is also born a non smoker - what gets interesting is what we
choose to do and how we choose to think once we can think about stuff.
Just so you know - I have never believed in God or any other divine
being.
One of the reasons I dont believe is that I have seen what believing
can do to peoples minds and morals.
Mark.
And like smoking, we usually learn our religion from our parents and/
or peers. Like smoking, religious thinking is addictive and a very
difficult habit to kick. Both can be quite harmful, although some
manage to live normal lives with it. Both are highly annoying, and
considered dangerous, but those forced to be in proximity to the
addicted. Both are supported by a vast storehouse of twisted logic.
Both have thrived longer than they should thanks to false science.
Both have brought good relationships to ruin.
There is one striking difference, though: One manifests its additive
pressures during sex ("oh god! oh god!!"), and the other immediately
after.
8-)
I cant argue with any of that!
Mark.
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| User: "Vexen Crabtree" |
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| Title: Re: Is atheism a religion? No. |
10 Apr 2007 07:43:50 AM |
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On 10 Apr, 06:37, "Richo" <m.richard...@utas.edu.au> wrote:
On Apr 10, 12:53 pm, DanielSan <daniel-...@myrealbox.com> wrote:
Ron Peterson wrote:
Atheism is based on the idea that
religion is harmful to people.
That's not correct, either.
I would say "Thats not correct for everyone".
There are different ways to end up godless.
Yes, take me for example! When I learned what gods were, I thought "oh
what a silly idea". Before that thought I was an implicit atheist, I
believe in no gods because I didn't know about them... but after
coming across the idea of god (singular, at the time), I was still an
atheist... but it didn't have anything to do with whether religion has
harmed people or not!
--
Vexen Crabtree
http://www.vexen.co.uk/religion/atheism.html
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| User: "Lucifer" |
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10 Apr 2007 01:23:47 AM |
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On Apr 10, 3:53 am, DanielSan <daniel-...@myrealbox.com> wrote:
Ron Peterson wrote:
On Apr 8, 9:59 am, "Bill M" <w...@bellsouth.net> wrote:
Religion is based on pure faith with NO objective verifiable evidence.
No. Many religions don't require faith.
Atheism is based on objective verifiable evidence that NO gods exist.
No. There isn't any such evidence. Atheism is based on the idea that
religion is harmful to people.
That's not correct, either. Atheism is the lack of belief in deities
(being the negation (but not the negative) of theism).
The word you're looking for is "antitheism".
Did you call?
--
Lucifer the Unsubtle, EAC Librarian of Dark Tomes of Excessive Evil
and General Purpose Igor
The Anti-Theist, BAAWA Lowly Evilmeister and tamer of the Demon Duck
of Doom
Convicted by Earthquack
"Don't worry, I won't bite.......hard"
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| User: "Ron Peterson" |
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09 Apr 2007 11:11:28 PM |
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On Apr 9, 9:53 pm, DanielSan <daniel-...@myrealbox.com> wrote:
Ron Peterson wrote:
No. There isn't any such evidence. Atheism is based on the idea that
religion is harmful to people.
That's not correct, either. Atheism is the lack of belief in deities
(being the negation (but not the negative) of theism).
The word you're looking for is "antitheism".
No, I wasn't defining atheism. I was pointing out what motivates
atheists to advocate their position.
--
Ron
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| User: "Robibnikoff" |
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| Title: Re: Is atheism a religion? No. |
10 Apr 2007 11:39:47 AM |
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"Ron Peterson" <ron@shell.core.com> wrote in message
news:1176178288.748587.86410@o5g2000hsb.googlegroups.com...
On Apr 9, 9:53 pm, DanielSan <daniel-...@myrealbox.com> wrote:
Ron Peterson wrote:
No. There isn't any such evidence. Atheism is based on the idea that
religion is harmful to people.
That's not correct, either. Atheism is the lack of belief in deities
(being the negation (but not the negative) of theism).
The word you're looking for is "antitheism".
No, I wasn't defining atheism. I was pointing out what motivates
atheists to advocate their position.
I think that's up to each atheist individually.
--
Robyn
Resident Witchypoo
BAAWA Knight!
#1557
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| User: "Virgil" |
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10 Apr 2007 01:02:57 AM |
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In article <1176178288.748587.86410@o5g2000hsb.googlegroups.com>,
"Ron Peterson" <ron@shell.core.com> wrote:
On Apr 9, 9:53 pm, DanielSan <daniel-...@myrealbox.com> wrote:
Ron Peterson wrote:
No. There isn't any such evidence. Atheism is based on the idea that
religion is harmful to people.
That's not correct, either. Atheism is the lack of belief in deities
(being the negation (but not the negative) of theism).
The word you're looking for is "antitheism".
No, I wasn't defining atheism. I was pointing out what motivates
atheists to advocate their position.
Bhuddism, in those of its versions that I am aware of seems not to be
harmful, but then it does not, in general, seem to require belief in any
gods.
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| User: "Ron Peterson" |
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11 Apr 2007 11:57:34 PM |
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On Apr 10, 1:02 am, Virgil <vir...@comcast.net> wrote:
In article <1176178288.748587.86...@o5g2000hsb.googlegroups.com>,
"Ron Peterson" <r...@shell.core.com> wrote:
No, I wasn't defining atheism. I was pointing out what motivates
atheists to advocate their position.
Bhuddism, in those of its versions that I am aware of seems not to be
harmful, but then it does not, in general, seem to require belief in any
gods.
Some Buddhist sects use violence against other Buddhist sects.
Buddhism in Tibet was the basis for feudalism there.
What is a god but a instrument of authority for a religion's dogma?
--
Ron
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| User: "Vexen Crabtree" |
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| Title: Re: Is atheism a religion? No. |
10 Apr 2007 07:39:47 AM |
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On 10 Apr, 04:11, "Ron Peterson" <r...@shell.core.com> wrote:
On Apr 9, 9:53 pm, DanielSan <daniel-...@myrealbox.com> wrote:
Ron Peterson wrote:
No. There isn't any such evidence. Atheism is based on the idea that
religion is harmful to people.
That's not correct, either. Atheism is the lack of belief in deities
(being the negation (but not the negative) of theism).
The word you're looking for is "antitheism".
No, I wasn't defining atheism. I was pointing out what motivates
atheists to advocate their position.
What motivate me is the search for truth, I love the search for truth
and sometimes even call myself a reality worshipper.
It doesn't matter if religion does good, socially, or does evil. For
example, believers in tooth fairies don't go around killing each other
and getting angry if others around them don't believe the correct
things about tooth fairies (there was never a Fluffish Inquisition)...
but, because belief in tooth fairies may be socially good, it still
doesn't mean that tooth fairies are actually real.
Likewise, that religion has largely been a bad boy is what motivates
theists, atheists, the religious and the secular, to denounce
organized religion. Some theists (deists) actively resist organized
religion, as have some rather famous Christians including the Head
Prefect, Mr Christ.
So, it isn't true to say that the rotteness of religion motivates
*atheists*, but rather, it motivates *people* to criticize religion.
But it doesn't effect belief in God - religion can be good, or bad,
for people... whether or not there is actually a god pondering over
the steamy dogmatic mess or not.
--
Vexen Crabtree
http://www.vexen.co.uk/religion/atheism.html
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| User: "Toby A Inkster" |
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11 Apr 2007 10:35:45 AM |
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Vexen Crabtree wrote:
It doesn't matter if religion does good, socially, or does evil. For
example, believers in tooth fairies don't go around killing each other
and getting angry if others around them don't believe the correct
things about tooth fairies (there was never a Fluffish Inquisition)...
And I don't expect there to be one...
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Toby A Inkster BSc (Hons) ARCS
Contact Me ~ http://tobyinkster.co.uk/contact
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| User: "Lucifer" |
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| Title: Re: Is atheism a religion? No. |
10 Apr 2007 01:24:36 AM |
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On Apr 10, 5:11 am, "Ron Peterson" <r...@shell.core.com> wrote:
On Apr 9, 9:53 pm, DanielSan <daniel-...@myrealbox.com> wrote:
Ron Peterson wrote:
No. There isn't any such evidence. Atheism is based on the idea that
religion is harmful to people.
That's not correct, either. Atheism is the lack of belief in deities
(being the negation (but not the negative) of theism).
The word you're looking for is "antitheism".
No, I wasn't defining atheism. I was pointing out what motivates
atheists to advocate their position.
Generally, it's hostile treatment by theistic society.
--
Lucifer the Unsubtle, EAC Librarian of Dark Tomes of Excessive Evil
and General Purpose Igor
The Anti-Theist, BAAWA Lowly Evilmeister and tamer of the Demon Duck
of Doom
Convicted by Earthquack
"Don't worry, I won't bite.......hard"
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| User: "Santolina chamaecyparissus" |
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| Title: Re: Is atheism a religion? No. |
11 Apr 2007 11:56:21 AM |
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On Apr 9, 9:11 pm, "Ron Peterson" <r...@shell.core.com> wrote:
On Apr 9, 9:53 pm, DanielSan <daniel-...@myrealbox.com> wrote:
Ron Peterson wrote:
No. There isn't any such evidence. Atheism is based on the idea that
religion is harmful to people.
That's not correct, either. Atheism is the lack of belief in deities
(being the negation (but not the negative) of theism).
The word you're looking for is "antitheism".
No, I wasn't defining atheism. I was pointing out what motivates
atheists to advocate their position.
You have no idea what motivates other people.
In my own case there is no motivation involved, atheism is a
description of my state of mind. For me, atheism involves a lack of
motivation to continue trying to convince myself of a proposition that
I don't really believe.
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| User: "Ron Peterson" |
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11 Apr 2007 11:38:42 PM |
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On Apr 11, 11:56 am, "Santolina chamaecyparissus" <santol...@juno.com>
wrote:
On Apr 9, 9:11 pm, "Ron Peterson" <r...@shell.core.com> wrote:
No, I wasn't defining atheism. I was pointing out what motivates
atheists to advocate their position.
You have no idea what motivates other people.
I thought paying attention to what they say or write helps.
In my own case there is no motivation involved, atheism is a
description of my state of mind. For me, atheism involves a lack of
motivation to continue trying to convince myself of a proposition that
I don't really believe.
So you have no objection for being penalized for not belonging to a
religion?
--
Ron
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| User: "Santolina chamaecyparissus" |
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12 Apr 2007 09:21:06 PM |
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On Apr 11, 9:38 pm, "Ron Peterson" <r...@shell.core.com> wrote:
On Apr 11, 11:56 am, "Santolinachamaecyparissus" <santol...@juno.com>
wrote:
On Apr 9, 9:11 pm, "Ron Peterson" <r...@shell.core.com> wrote:
No, I wasn't defining atheism. I was pointing out what motivates
atheists to advocate their position.
You have no idea what motivates other people.
I thought paying attention to what they say or write helps.
In my own case there is no motivation involved, atheism is a
description of my state of mind. For me, atheism involves a lack of
motivation to continue trying to convince myself of a proposition that
I don't really believe.
So you have no objection for being penalized for not belonging to a
religion?
What's the penalty?
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| User: "Ron Peterson" |
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| Title: Re: Is atheism a religion? No. |
12 Apr 2007 11:19:53 PM |
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On Apr 12, 9:21 pm, "Santolina chamaecyparissus" <santol...@juno.com>
wrote:
On Apr 11, 9:38 pm, "Ron Peterson" <r...@shell.core.com> wrote:
So you have no objection for being penalized for not belonging to a
religion?
What's the penalty?
Not being able to serve on a jury or give testimony in a court of law.
Not being able to adopt children from a religious based adoption
agency.
Not being able to be elected to a major political office.
--
Ron
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| User: "Robibnikoff" |
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| Title: Re: Is atheism a religion? No. |
13 Apr 2007 02:08:46 PM |
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"Ron Peterson" <ron@shell.core.com> wrote in message
news:1176437993.003569.179990@y80g2000hsf.googlegroups.com...
On Apr 12, 9:21 pm, "Santolina chamaecyparissus" <santol...@juno.com>
wrote:
On Apr 11, 9:38 pm, "Ron Peterson" <r...@shell.core.com> wrote:
So you have no objection for being penalized for not belonging to a
religion?
What's the penalty?
Not being able to serve on a jury or give testimony in a court of law.
Not being able to adopt children from a religious based adoption
agency.
It doesn't have to even be a religion based adoption agency. The agency
where I was adopted from isn't religion based, but my birthmother had
requested that I be adopted into a family and raised in the Protestant
religion - Atheists need not apply. My aparents knew that their chances of
being picked would be greater if they belonged to a church, so they joined
the local Methodist church.
Mind you, they're both atheists and as soon as my adoption was finalized,
they stopped attending church ;)
--
Robyn
Resident Witchypoo
BAAWA Knight!
#1557
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| User: "Santolina chamaecyparissus" |
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13 Apr 2007 03:28:42 PM |
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On Apr 12, 9:19 pm, "Ron Peterson" <r...@shell.core.com> wrote:
On Apr 12, 9:21 pm, "Santolinachamaecyparissus" <santol...@juno.com>
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On Apr 11, 9:38 pm, "Ron Peterson" <r...@shell.core.com> wrote:
So you have no objection for being penalized for not belonging to a
religion?
What's the penalty?
Not being able to serve on a jury or give testimony in a court of law.
Not being able to adopt children from a religious based adoption
agency.
Not being able to be elected to a major political office.
These are "penalities"?
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| User: "Martin Phipps" |
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| Title: Re: Is atheism a religion? No. |
13 Apr 2007 12:48:20 AM |
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On Apr 13, 12:19 pm, "Ron Peterson" <r...@shell.core.com> wrote:
On Apr 12, 9:21 pm, "Santolina chamaecyparissus" <santol...@juno.com>
wrote:
On Apr 11, 9:38 pm, "Ron Peterson" <r...@shell.core.com> wrote:
So you have no objection for being penalized for not belonging to a
religion?
What's the penalty?
Not being able to serve on a jury or give testimony in a court of law.
Nonsense. Swearing on the Bible does not require belief in God.
Besides not all courts nowadays require people to do that.
Not being able to adopt children from a religious based adoption
agency.
They should not discriminate against people for being intelligent.
Not being able to be elected to a major political office.
When a candidate mentions "God" in a speech he gives me a reason NOT
to vote for him.
Martin
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| User: "DanielSan" |
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| Title: Re: Is atheism a religion? No. |
10 Apr 2007 12:15:07 AM |
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Ron Peterson wrote:
On Apr 9, 9:53 pm, DanielSan <daniel-...@myrealbox.com> wrote:
Ron Peterson wrote:
No. There isn't any such evidence. Atheism is based on the idea that
religion is harmful to people.
That's not correct, either. Atheism is the lack of belief in deities
(being the negation (but not the negative) of theism).
The word you're looking for is "antitheism".
No, I wasn't defining atheism. I was pointing out what motivates
atheists to advocate their position.
And plain atheists aren't motivated by the idea that religion is
harmful. Those are antitheist atheists.
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| User: "Vexen Crabtree" |
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| Title: Re: Is atheism a religion? No. |
10 Apr 2007 07:40:46 AM |
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On 10 Apr, 05:15, DanielSan <daniel-...@myrealbox.com> wrote:
Ron Peterson wrote:
No, I wasn't defining atheism. I was pointing out what motivates
atheists to advocate their position.
And plain atheists aren't motivated by the idea that religion is
harmful. Those are antitheist atheists.
Indeed - much more the vocal types than the quiter majority of
atheists!
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Vexen Crabtree, not a quiet one.
http://www.vexen.co.uk/religion/atheism.html
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| User: "John Popelish" |
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| Title: Re: Is atheism a religion? No. |
09 Apr 2007 09:26:32 AM |
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Ron Peterson wrote:
On Apr 8, 9:59 am, "Bill M" <w...@bellsouth.net> wrote:
Religion is based on pure faith with NO objective verifiable evidence.
No. Many religions don't require faith.
Atheism is based on objective verifiable evidence that NO gods exist.
No. There isn't any such evidence. Atheism is based on the idea that
religion is harmful to people.
*****. I am atheist, because I cannot make myself
believe that any deities exist outside of the imaginations
of believers. But I am also aware that some of the effects
of religious belief are good for some people.
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| User: "Vexen Crabtree" |
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| Title: Re: Is atheism a religion? No. |
10 Apr 2007 07:30:02 AM |
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On 9 Apr, 14:26, John Popelish <jpopel...@rica.net> wrote:
Ron Peterson wrote:
On Apr 8, 9:59 am, "Bill M" <w...@bellsouth.net> wrote:
Atheism is based on objective verifiable evidence that NO gods exist.
Some atheists are atheists because they are convinced by evidence that
no gods exist. But not all. Some are atheists because they're not
convinced by the evidence FOR god - the same class of people as
wouldn't believe that Rudolf the Shower Gel monster lives upstairs,
unless he saw evidence FOR it first.
No. There isn't any such evidence. Atheism is based on the idea that
religion is harmful to people.
*****. I am atheist, because I cannot make myself
believe that any deities exist outside of the imaginations
of believers. But I am also aware that some of the effects
of religious belief are good for some people.
I think John Popelish is spot on here, and this is a fine example of
atheism... although there are other types of atheist such as those who
don't understand what a god is (and therefore don't believe in one),
same as you can't "believe" in "up, down, strange, charm, top and
bottom" if you've never heard of them (Such people are aquarkers!).
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Vexen Crabtree
http://www.vexen.co.uk/religion/atheism.html
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| User: "Toby A Inkster" |
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| Title: Re: Is atheism a religion? No. |
11 Apr 2007 10:33:26 AM |
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Vexen Crabtree wrote:
Some atheists are atheists because they are convinced by evidence that
no gods exist. But not all. Some are atheists because they're not
convinced by the evidence FOR god - the same class of people as
wouldn't believe that Rudolf the Shower Gel monster lives upstairs,
unless he saw evidence FOR it first.
Now you're just being bloody ridiculous. Everyone *knows* that Rudolf the
Shower Gel Monster lives in Cardiff. You'd have to suspend all rational
thought to believe he lives upstairs.
(For big Rudolf fans, he's got a cameo in this weekend's episode of
Dr Who. Watch out for him!)
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Toby A Inkster BSc (Hons) ARCS
Contact Me ~ http://tobyinkster.co.uk/contact
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| User: "Ron Peterson" |
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| Title: Re: Is atheism a religion? No. |
09 Apr 2007 11:05:09 PM |
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On Apr 9, 9:26 am, John Popelish <jpopel...@rica.net> wrote:
Ron Peterson wrote:
No. There isn't any such evidence. Atheism is based on the idea that
religion is harmful to people.
*****. I am atheist, because I cannot make myself
believe that any deities exist outside of the imaginations
of believers.
Why is that important?
But I am also aware that some of the effects
of religious belief are good for some people.
Do you have an example? And, shouldn't you be pushing those beliefs?
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Ron
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| User: "Vexen Crabtree" |
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| Title: Re: Is atheism a religion? No. |
10 Apr 2007 07:31:17 AM |
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On 10 Apr, 04:05, "Ron Peterson" <r...@shell.core.com> wrote:
On Apr 9, 9:26 am, John Popelish <jpopel...@rica.net> wrote:
Ron Peterson wrote:
No. There isn't any such evidence. Atheism is based on the idea that
religion is harmful to people.
*****. I am atheist, because I cannot make myself
believe that any deities exist outside of the imaginations
of believers.
Why is that important?
Because if you believe all gods are imaginary, then you are by
definition an atheist.
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Vexen Crabtree
http://www.vexen.co.uk/religion/atheism.html
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| User: "Martin Phipps" |
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| Title: Re: Is atheism a religion? No. |
10 Apr 2007 03:14:03 AM |
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On Apr 10, 12:05 pm, "Ron Peterson" <r...@shell.core.com> wrote:
On Apr 9, 9:26 am, John Popelish <jpopel...@rica.net> wrote:
Ron Peterson wrote:
No. There isn't any such evidence. Atheism is based on the idea that
religion is harmful to people.
*****. I am atheist, because I cannot make myself
believe that any deities exist outside of the imaginations
of believers.
Why is that important?
But I am also aware that some of the effects
of religious belief are good for some people.
Do you have an example? And, shouldn't you be pushing those beliefs?
What if religion does more harm than good? Would we have terrorism if
not for religion? Would Bush have invaded Iraq if he didn't think God
was on his side?
Martin
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