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"Useful Info" |
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06 Apr 2007 08:44:47 AM |
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Is atheism a religion? No. |
Ah, let me count the ways.
http://home.comcast.net/~plutarch/atheism.html
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| User: "John Popelish" |
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| Title: Re: Is atheism a religion? No. |
09 Apr 2007 10:20:59 PM |
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Ron Peterson wrote:
On Apr 9, 9:26 am, John Popelish <jpopel...@rica.net> wrote:
Ron Peterson wrote:
No. There isn't any such evidence. Atheism is based on the idea that
religion is harmful to people.
*****. I am atheist, because I cannot make myself
believe that any deities exist outside of the imaginations
of believers.
Why is that important?
Because my atheism has nothing to do with what you say it is
base upon. You have an erroneous preconceived notion.
But I am also aware that some of the effects
of religious belief are good for some people.
Do you have an example? And, shouldn't you be pushing those beliefs?
Some people claim that they would rape and murder if they
did not believe that a god was watching them and keeping
track of what they do. I am glad they believe in a watchful
and vengeful god, but I wish they didn't need this fantasy.
Some of us realize that being good to our fellow man is in
our own self interest. Those that don't seem to need
religion in order to be and do good.
I don't push belief. Do you.
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| User: "Richo" |
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| Title: Re: Is atheism a religion? No. |
10 Apr 2007 01:28:18 AM |
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On Apr 9, 12:59 am, "Bill M" <w...@bellsouth.net> wrote:
Get an education.
There is quite a difference between black and white.
Religion is based on pure faith with NO objective verifiable evidence.
Religion is based upon human needs and desires and the way our brains
work.
People infer intention in the non intentional.
Its an instinct.
Couple that with imagination and viola! Gods a plenty.
Then people make up stories and holy books about their gods.
Gods first - myths and holy books latter.
Atheism is based on objective verifiable evidence that NO gods exist.
Oh *****!
I dont need any evidence to NOT believe in something.
If you dont see any reason or evidence for X then its OK to NOT
believe in X - YOU DO NOT NEED evidence that there is no X.
Mark.
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| User: "Al Klein" |
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| Title: Re: Is atheism a religion? No. |
08 Apr 2007 06:11:39 PM |
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On 8 Apr 2007 06:10:28 -0700, wrote:
However there were a couple of phrases which I believe were applicable
to atheism ..
1. Particular system of faith .... The faith of many posters on this
site is atheism.
Faith that the sun will rise tomorrow, yes. Faith in not your god? It
doesn't even parse, let along describe atheism.
3. Thing that one is devoted to or is bound to do (eg. make a
religion of football). A lot of the posters here are devoted to
atheism.
Just as much as you're devoted to aSantaism.
Further down I found "religionism" - excessive religious zeal.
We have as much religious zeal for lack of your god as you have for
lack of Santa.
In summary, it may not be a religion, but it sure is a system of
faith
As much as your lack of belief in Santa is.
You seem to be working on the assumption that atheism is some kind of
belief - it's not. "Bald" isn't a style of hair.
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| User: "Christopher A.Lee" |
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| Title: Re: Is atheism a religion? No. |
08 Apr 2007 09:15:49 AM |
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On 8 Apr 2007 06:10:28 -0700, wrote:
On Apr 8, 2:47 pm, "Ronald 'More-More' Moshki" <sector_f...@yahoo.com>
wrote:
On Apr 6, 9:44 am, "Useful Info" <useful_...@yahoo.com> wrote:
Ah, let me count the ways.http://home.comcast.net/~plutarch/atheism.html
Was hoping for a few more.
As a Christian who thinks atheists have what might be called faith in
godlessness,
That's because you are a fucking idiot.
just as I have faith in God as revealed in Christ, I
decided to look up the definition of Religion in my old "The Concise
Oxford Dictionary".
Some of the various applications related to a belief in a recognition
of a superhuman controlling power ... personal God or gods ....
effect of such recognition on conduct and mental attitude.
None of which apply to atheists, moron.
However there were a couple of phrases which I believe were applicable
to atheism ..
1. Particular system of faith .... The faith of many posters on this
site is atheism.
Liar.
3. Thing that one is devoted to or is bound to do (eg. make a
religion of football). A lot of the posters here are devoted to
atheism.
Liar.
Further down I found "religionism" - excessive religious zeal. When I
read some of the posts on this forum, it is difficult to escape the
conviction that some posters show excessive religious zeal for
atheism, whether or not they regard atheism as a religion.
Ah yes, the "baseball is his religion" metaphor that dishonest
Christians like you use to pretend that he reaction to their not being
able to live and let live, is a religion.
In summary, it may not be a religion, but it sure is a system of
faith, and some of the adherents here are just as fanatical about
their atheism as any fundamentalist Christian or Moslem.
Why are you so such an in-your-face nasty, bigoted liar?
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| User: "Vexen Crabtree" |
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| Title: Re: Is atheism a religion? No. |
10 Apr 2007 07:22:07 AM |
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On 8 Apr, 13:10, wrote:
As a Christian who thinks atheists have what might be called faith in
godlessness, just as I have faith in God as revealed in Christ, I
Er, so what would you call a person who is ignorant of the idea of
gods, so doesn't believe in any? I doubt you could say such an
implicit atheist has "faith" in his lack of belief. Say, how about the
members of animist peoples who don't conceive of gods, but only of
limited spirits? Is their ignorance (not their fault or choice) a
"faith"?
I think you are using the word "atheist" in a very strange way: it is
a simple word, with a simple meaning!
Atheist: A person who doesn't believe in God(s) - for whatever reason.
decided to look up the definition of Religion in my old "The Concise
Oxford Dictionary".
<snip>
However there were a couple of phrases which I believe were applicable
to atheism ..
1. Particular system of faith .... The faith of many posters on this
site is atheism.
You should see from my text above that the word "faith" simply isn't
applicable with "atheism". There are some explicit atheists who have
strong opinions on the non-existence of god (and toothfaries, and
santa claus, etc), but it's hardly right to say such non-believers
have "faith in the non-existence of walking, talking green puss goo
goo monsters".
So, by your definition YOU have faith in the non-existence of
[whatever I insert here, whether it makes sense to you or not]?
3. Thing that one is devoted to or is bound to do (eg. make a
religion of football). A lot of the posters here are devoted to
atheism.
Yes, the atheists you meet on message boards who go the lengths of
calling themselves atheists, are devoted to their search (and
explanation) of truth, but, merely because that's the type of atheist
you meet, doesn't mean that you can describe all atheists as
'devoted'.
For example in the UK about half of us are atheists, but, no-one goes
around talking about it and most people are not devoted to it. Many
don't even know what "atheism" or "theism" is... how can they be
devoted to something they don't actually spend time thinking about?
Further down I found "religionism" - excessive religious zeal. When I
read some of the posts on this forum, it is difficult to escape the
conviction that some posters show excessive religious zeal for
atheism, whether or not they regard atheism as a religion.
A quote taken from my http://www.vexen.co.uk/religion/atheism.html#Atheism
that concurs comes from the psychologist William James:
"[The more fervent atheists] have often enough shown a temper which,
psychologically considered, is indistinguishable from religious zeal"
"Varieties of religious experience, the" by William James, p54.
What you say is true, sometimes emotions can surface in different
contexts. Zeal can appear in football, in philosophy, in art, in
religion... but because it appears somewhere doesn't make it RELIGIOUS
zeal.
So, even though a football zealot might have things in common with an
art collector zealot, you would hardly do what you have done and say:
This football fan is exhibiting zeal the same as us art collectors...
therefore many football fans are really art collectors in nature! What
an odd argument you are making!
In summary, it may not be a religion,
True, atheism is a lack of belief in gods. You can get atheist
religions (such as Buddhism), but in general, atheism isn't a
religion.
but it sure is a system of faith,
No, there are some atheist faiths (such as Buddhism), but the
existence of the innocent & ignorant who *don't know* about Gods (and
are therefore atheists) disclaims your assertion.
And, don't forget that many atheists are atheists for completely
illogical, nonsensical, irrational and emotional reasons, therefore
many atheists don't have a 'system' either.
and some of the adherents here are just as fanatical about
their atheism as any fundamentalist Christian or Moslem.
Indeed.
--
Vexen Crabtree, religiously atheist.
http://www.vexen.co.uk/religion/atheism.html#Atheism
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| User: "Richo" |
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| Title: Re: Is atheism a religion? No. |
10 Apr 2007 01:21:51 AM |
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On Apr 8, 11:10 pm, wrote:
On Apr 8, 2:47 pm, "Ronald 'More-More' Moshki" <sector_f...@yahoo.com>
wrote:
On Apr 6, 9:44 am, "Useful Info" <useful_...@yahoo.com> wrote:
Ah, let me count the ways.http://home.comcast.net/~plutarch/atheism.html
Was hoping for a few more.
As a Christian who thinks atheists have what might be called faith in
godlessness, just as I have faith in God as revealed in Christ, I
decided to look up the definition of Religion in my old "The Concise
Oxford Dictionary".
Did it help?
Some of the various applications related to a belief in a recognition
of a superhuman controlling power ... personal God or gods ....
effect of such recognition on conduct and mental attitude.
However there were a couple of phrases which I believe were applicable
to atheism ..
1. Particular system of faith .... The faith of many posters on this
site is atheism.
That's called assuming your conclusion or circular argumentation.
You are being irrational.
3. Thing that one is devoted to or is bound to do (eg. make a
religion of football). A lot of the posters here are devoted to
atheism.
You dont have to be devoted to atheism to be an atheist.
You just have to not believe in any gods.
Further down I found "religionism" - excessive religious zeal. When I
read some of the posts on this forum, it is difficult to escape the
conviction that some posters show excessive religious zeal for
atheism, whether or not they regard atheism as a religion.
You are responsible for how you see things - its not "our" fault.
In summary, it may not be a religion, but it sure is a system of
faith,
No it isnt.
and some of the adherents here are just as fanatical about
their atheism as any fundamentalist Christian or Moslem.
Its just barely possible I suppose but I dont actually care.
Mark.
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| User: "Martin Phipps" |
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| Title: Re: Is atheism a religion? No. |
10 Apr 2007 03:01:14 AM |
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On Apr 8, 9:10 pm, wrote:
On Apr 8, 2:47 pm, "Ronald 'More-More' Moshki" <sector_f...@yahoo.com>
wrote:
On Apr 6, 9:44 am, "Useful Info" <useful_...@yahoo.com> wrote:
Ah, let me count the ways.http://home.comcast.net/~plutarch/atheism.html
Was hoping for a few more.
As a Christian who thinks atheists have what might be called faith in
godlessness, just as I have faith in God as revealed in Christ, I
decided to look up the definition of Religion in my old "The Concise
Oxford Dictionary".
Some of the various applications related to a belief in a recognition
of a superhuman controlling power ... personal God or gods ....
effect of such recognition on conduct and mental attitude.
However there were a couple of phrases which I believe were applicable
to atheism ..
1. Particular system of faith .... The faith of many posters on this
site is atheism.
3. Thing that one is devoted to or is bound to do (eg. make a
religion of football). A lot of the posters here are devoted to
atheism.
Further down I found "religionism" - excessive religious zeal. When I
read some of the posts on this forum, it is difficult to escape the
conviction that some posters show excessive religious zeal for
atheism, whether or not they regard atheism as a religion.
In summary, it may not be a religion, but it sure is a system of
faith, and some of the adherents here are just as fanatical about
their atheism as any fundamentalist Christian or Moslem.
So many lies have been committed by religious adherents over the
thousands of years that organised religion has existed that it would
be extremely naive to believe that anything in the Bible (let alone
the Koran) were literally true. It's not just a question of there not
being any evidence that the Bible were true but rather plenty of
evidence that the Bible is a collection of myths, legends and out
right lies. There are four accepted versions of the gospels and
dozens of non-canonical versions and none of them agree as to what
happened after the cruxification of Christ. Even the geneologies of
Christ differ between the two gospels that list them. It's not a
question of having faith in the non existance of God: it is a question
of waking up to the fact that the Christian god is not only just as
mythical as Zeus but that plenty of deliberate lies were fabricated to
spread the popularity of Judeo-Christianity.
Martin
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