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Topic: Religions > Atheism
User: "J Young"
Date: 21 Jul 2005 11:45:26 PM
Object: Is Atheism a Sign of Mental Illness?
Bill Maher's recent accusation that religious believers suffer from a
"neurological disorder" that stops them from thinking is hardly
just the ranting of another Hollywood moonbat. As he somewhat famously
observed to Joe Scarborough:
"We are a nation that is unenlightened because of religion. I do
believe that. I think that religion stops people from thinking. I think
it justifies crazies. I think flying planes into a building was a
faith-based initiative. I think religion is a neurological disorder. If
you look at it logically, it's something that was drilled into your
head when you were a small child. It certainly was drilled into mine at
that age. And you really can't be responsible when you are a kid for
what adults put into your head."
Somewhat more inflammatory (and less tedious), perhaps, than Richard
Dawkins when he observed that "The meme for blind faith secures its
own perpetuation by the simple unconscious expedient of discouraging
rational inquiry." And somewhat on par with Ted Turner's contention
that Christianity was for "losers" and Jesse Ventura's belief
that faith is a crutch for "weak-minded people." Regardless, they
all reflect the same basic contention: that religion is something
irrational, embraced by only those with a strange mental condition.
All of which makes me wonder if we're asking the right question.
Perhaps we should be asking if atheism is symptomatic of mental
illness. Perhaps atheists are, in a word, insane.
I mean, think about it. Here we have a faith - a belief system, if
you will - that presumes not merely the non-existence of a creative
deity but that what we commonly call the "mind" is nothing more
than neurological impulses in physical tissue. Yet at the same time,
this very organ - the same instrument that generates the impulses -
is supposed to be able to independently verify those signals. They
adopt a belief system which effectively prevents them from validly
separating reality from a drug dream, and then claim that they can.
This certainly suggests a significant cognitive dissonance worthy of
concern.
Further, neurological research indicates that a particular part of the
brain is connected to religious experiences. Perhaps atheists are the
product of a genetic deficiency or disorder - and if so, one can only
wonder what else is wrong with them. After all, most atheists seem to
suffer from delusions of grandeur, convinced that they hold the keys to
humanity's march toward utopia. They are also quite happy to embrace
programs to "improve" humanity to suit their own purposes -
hardly a coincidence, one would have to suggest, that the most
repressive regimes of recent days have all been formulated along
atheistic, humanist principles. One can only hope that the possible
link between atheism and mental illness is examined honestly before
countless others suffer needlessly.
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User: "Paul Duca"

Title: Re: Is Atheism a Sign of Mental Illness? 23 Jul 2005 03:34:57 AM
I think religion is a physical disorder...after all, it's the crutch
without which people like J Young can't even get through the day.
Paul
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User: "Jim07D5"

Title: Re: Is Atheism a Sign of Mental Illness? 22 Jul 2005 12:10:35 AM
"J Young" <youngopinions@aol.com> said:
<...>

All of which makes me wonder if we're asking the right question.
Perhaps we should be asking if atheism is symptomatic of mental
illness. Perhaps atheists are, in a word, insane.

I mean, think about it. Here we have a faith - a belief system, if
you will - that presumes not merely the non-existence of a creative
deity but that what we commonly call the "mind" is nothing more
than neurological impulses in physical tissue. Yet at the same time,
this very organ - the same instrument that generates the impulses -
is supposed to be able to independently verify those signals. They
adopt a belief system which effectively prevents them from validly
separating reality from a drug dream, and then claim that they can.
This certainly suggests a significant cognitive dissonance worthy of
concern.

<...>
I was, a while ago, in a Buddhist temple in Taiwan with a client (on a
business trip). We had a free day. The client happens to be a
psychiatrist who works on psychotic depression disorders; we were
doing clinical studies of a new remedy. (The woman in Texas who
drowned her children at God's command, would have been a candidate, if
we'd gotten to her before her Christian preacher did.) Remembering my
reading of R.D. Laing, as we watched the faithful light their incense
and throw their lucky stones in front of Ganesha, the deity whose
image has a trunk and tusks, I asked him if it would not be true
that, in that society, he and I would be counted among the delusional,
with our reliance on secular therapy for the handling of life's
problems. He agreed; we would be in that category in that society, or
at least, in that temple.
For you to set yourself up as a judge of mental condition, would be
laughable, if it were not precedented by such violence on the one
hand, and foolishness on the other, under the banner of theism.
Jim07D5
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User: "Peacenik"

Title: Re: Is Atheism a Sign of Mental Illness? 22 Jul 2005 10:44:04 AM
"Jim07D5" <Jim07D5@nospam.net> wrote in message
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I was, a while ago, in a Buddhist temple in Taiwan with a client (on a
business trip). We had a free day. The client happens to be a
psychiatrist who works on psychotic depression disorders; we were
doing clinical studies of a new remedy. (The woman in Texas who
drowned her children at God's command, would have been a candidate, if
we'd gotten to her before her Christian preacher did.) Remembering my
reading of R.D. Laing, as we watched the faithful light their incense
and throw their lucky stones in front of Ganesha, the deity whose
image has a trunk and tusks,

Ganesha? In Taiwan?
Which temple did you visit? My curiosity grows!
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User: "Jim07D5"

Title: Re: Is Atheism a Sign of Mental Illness? 22 Jul 2005 11:31:58 AM
"Peacenik" <cnelsonpublic@hotmail.com> said:

"Jim07D5" <Jim07D5@nospam.net> wrote in message
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I was, a while ago, in a Buddhist temple in Taiwan with a client (on a
business trip). We had a free day. The client happens to be a
psychiatrist who works on psychotic depression disorders; we were
doing clinical studies of a new remedy. (The woman in Texas who
drowned her children at God's command, would have been a candidate, if
we'd gotten to her before her Christian preacher did.) Remembering my
reading of R.D. Laing, as we watched the faithful light their incense
and throw their lucky stones in front of Ganesha, the deity whose
image has a trunk and tusks,


Ganesha? In Taiwan?

Which temple did you visit? My curiosity grows!

It was in Kao-shiung, at a huge Mahayana temple. There were three
altars, each with a large central sculpted image, and a hall full of
other gods, that you could offer to depending on your birth year, and
get a token to carry for good fortune. But your puzzlement is probably
warranted -- whether it was representative of Ganesha or was just an
elephant-headed god statue and not "borrowed" from Hinduism wasn't
self-evident. It was more elephant-like than the usual representations
of Ganesha.
OTOH, I find this, about crossover:
"Other Ganesh representations in south of lanka are much older ones.
They can be seen in some Buddhist temples, where they are warily
displayed. Some are mural paintings, with other Hindu deities (Vishnu,
Indra, Kartikkeya), paying respects to the Buddha. One in Dambulla
temple Cave n°2, and another one in a cave of the Alu Vihara temple.
Other statues: one small white standing Ganesh can be found in a
Buddhist shrine at Embekke Devala but the best and biggest is hidden
in an ancient part of the Lankatilaka temple, both near Kandy. Of
course, other such ancient Ganesh representations exist in other
places too."
http://www.lankalibrary.com/myths/ganesh.htm
Jim07D5
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User: "Peacenik"

Title: Re: Is Atheism a Sign of Mental Illness? 22 Jul 2005 11:11:40 PM
"Jim07D5" <Jim07D5@nospam.net> wrote in message
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"Peacenik" <cnelsonpublic@hotmail.com> said:

"Jim07D5" <Jim07D5@nospam.net> wrote in message
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I was, a while ago, in a Buddhist temple in Taiwan with a client (on a
business trip). We had a free day. The client happens to be a
psychiatrist who works on psychotic depression disorders; we were
doing clinical studies of a new remedy. (The woman in Texas who
drowned her children at God's command, would have been a candidate, if
we'd gotten to her before her Christian preacher did.) Remembering my
reading of R.D. Laing, as we watched the faithful light their incense
and throw their lucky stones in front of Ganesha, the deity whose
image has a trunk and tusks,


Ganesha? In Taiwan?

Which temple did you visit? My curiosity grows!

It was in Kao-shiung, at a huge Mahayana temple. There were three
altars, each with a large central sculpted image, and a hall full of
other gods, that you could offer to depending on your birth year, and
get a token to carry for good fortune. But your puzzlement is probably
warranted -- whether it was representative of Ganesha or was just an
elephant-headed god statue and not "borrowed" from Hinduism wasn't
self-evident. It was more elephant-like than the usual representations
of Ganesha.

That's interesting. Unfortunately I don't get down to Kaohsiung very often,
but I would like to check this place out!
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User: "Malcolm"

Title: Re: Is Atheism a Sign of Mental Illness? 22 Jul 2005 04:36:06 PM
"J Young" <youngopinions@aol.com> wrote


All of which makes me wonder if we're asking the right question.
Perhaps we should be asking if atheism is symptomatic of mental
illness. Perhaps atheists are, in a word, insane.

One can only hope that the possible
link between atheism and mental illness is examined honestly before
countless others suffer needlessly.

Research shows that believers tend to have good relationships with their
fathers, atheists poor relationships or absent fathers.
However it is not an absolute rule, of course. One can find believers from
broken homes, and atheists from happy ones. It doesn't tell us anything
about which belief is true.
What it does tell is is that, as humans, our ability to reach conclusions
based on evidence is limited. A large number of people must think that their
beliefs are based on reason, when there is no way they can be. We must be
aware of that fact.
.
User: ""

Title: Re: Is Atheism a Sign of Mental Illness? 24 Jul 2005 01:39:44 AM
Malcolm wrote:

"J Young" <youngopinions@aol.com> wrote


All of which makes me wonder if we're asking the right question.
Perhaps we should be asking if atheism is symptomatic of mental
illness. Perhaps atheists are, in a word, insane.

One can only hope that the possible
link between atheism and mental illness is examined honestly before
countless others suffer needlessly.

Research shows that believers tend to have good relationships with their
fathers, atheists poor relationships or absent fathers.

*****. Cite your source.

However it is not an absolute rule, of course. One can find believers from
broken homes, and atheists from happy ones. It doesn't tell us anything
about which belief is true.

What it does tell is is that, as humans, our ability to reach conclusions
based on evidence is limited. A large number of people must think that their
beliefs are based on reason, when there is no way they can be. We must be
aware of that fact.l

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User: "Malcolm"

Title: Re: Is Atheism a Sign of Mental Illness? 26 Jul 2005 01:24:48 PM
<jfacts@earthlink.net> wrote

Research shows that believers tend to have good relationships with their
fathers, atheists poor relationships or absent fathers.


*****. Cite your source.

Faith of the Fatherless by Paul Vitz.
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User: "Jim07D5"

Title: Re: Is Atheism a Sign of Mental Illness? 26 Jul 2005 03:09:18 PM
"Malcolm" <regniztar@btinternet.com> said:


<jfacts@earthlink.net> wrote

Research shows that believers tend to have good relationships with their
fathers, atheists poor relationships or absent fathers.


*****. Cite your source.

Faith of the Fatherless by Paul Vitz.

A google on this title and author and the term "book review" is
suggested for anyone who wants to comment intelligently. I would like
to lurk on this discussion.
Jim07D5
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User: "Greywolf"

Title: Re: Is Atheism a Sign of Mental Illness? 26 Jul 2005 06:14:49 PM
"Malcolm" <regniztar@btinternet.com> wrote in message
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<jfacts@earthlink.net> wrote

Research shows that believers tend to have good relationships with their
fathers, atheists poor relationships or absent fathers.


*****. Cite your source.

Faith of the Fatherless by Paul Vitz.


Is Atheism a Sign of Mental Illness?

Well, who do you think is the nut-ball? The guy or gal who says that some
1st-century Jew was born through "Immaculate Conception" between a "God" and
a "virgin'?, Who says that this 1st-century Jew walked on water and raised
people from the dead., Who says that this 1st-century Jew was the most
"perfect" man who has ever existed.,Who says that this 1st-century Jew was
actually a God *and* his son. And claims this all to be FACT! Or the atheist
who say, " What in the hell have *you* been smoking?
Greywolf
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User: "Greywolf"

Title: Re: Is Atheism a Sign of Mental Illness? 26 Jul 2005 11:03:34 PM
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"Malcolm" <regniztar@btinternet.com> wrote in message
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<jfacts@earthlink.net> wrote

Research shows that believers tend to have good relationships with
their
fathers, atheists poor relationships or absent fathers.


*****. Cite your source.

Faith of the Fatherless by Paul Vitz.


Is Atheism a Sign of Mental Illness?


Well, who do *you* think is the nut-cake? The Christain guy or gal who
says that some 1st-century Jew was conceived as a result of a
"supernatural liason" between a "God" and a "virgin," Who says that this
1st-century Jew walked on water and raised people from the dead., Who says
that this 1st-century Jew was the most "perfect" man who has *ever*
existed.,Who says that this 1st-century Jew was actually a God *and* his
son *simultaneously* - and then claims this all to be FACT! Or the atheist
who asks the aforementioned Christian, " What in the hell have *you* been
smoking?
Is the Atheism a sign of mental illness? You tell me.

Greywolf
(I just *had* to redo this one.)

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User: "Malcolm"

Title: Re: Is Atheism a Sign of Mental Illness? 27 Jul 2005 04:15:33 PM
"Greywolf" <greywolf@cybrzn.com> wrote

Well, who do *you* think is the nut-cake? The Christain guy or gal who
says that some 1st-century Jew was conceived as a result of a
"supernatural liason" between a "God" and a "virgin," Who says that this
1st-century Jew walked on water and raised people from the dead., ...
Or the atheist who asks the aforementioned Christian, " What in the hell
have *you* been smoking?


The atheist would at first sight seem to have much the stronger case. But
then they go and spoil it with elementary logical errors (I can't get
through to them the distinction between "evidence" and "proof", though not
for want of trying), terrible tone, and dubious facts.
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User: "Greywolf"

Title: Re: Is Atheism a Sign of Mental Illness? 29 Jul 2005 09:49:41 PM
"Malcolm" <regniztar@btinternet.com> wrote in message
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"Greywolf" <greywolf@cybrzn.com> wrote

Well, who do *you* think is the nut-cake? The Christain guy or gal who
says that some 1st-century Jew was conceived as a result of a
"supernatural liason" between a "God" and a "virgin," Who says that this
1st-century Jew walked on water and raised people from the dead., ...
Or the atheist who asks the aforementioned Christian, " What in the hell
have *you* been smoking?


The atheist would at first sight seem to have much the stronger case. But
then they go and spoil it with elementary logical errors (I can't get
through to them the distinction between "evidence" and "proof", though not
for want of trying), terrible tone, and dubious facts.

Huh?
Greywolf
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User: "Darrell Stec"

Title: Re: Is Atheism a Sign of Mental Illness? 26 Jul 2005 04:05:43 PM
After serious contemplation, on or about Tuesday 26 July 2005 2:24 pm
regniztar@btinternet.com wrote:


<jfacts@earthlink.net> wrote

Research shows that believers tend to have good relationships with their
fathers, atheists poor relationships or absent fathers.


*****. Cite your source.

Faith of the Fatherless by Paul Vitz.

When somebody asks for you to CITE your source, they are asking for the
exact quotation from the source, then you name the source. I take it that
you haven't yet made it to the high school level where book reports require
footnotes?
Throwing out a name is dishonest. But then you knew that.
--
Later,
Darrell Stec

Webpage Sorcery
http://webpagesorcery.com
We Put the Magic in Your Webpages
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User: "Don Kresch"

Title: Re: Is Atheism a Sign of Mental Illness? 26 Jul 2005 07:34:49 PM
In alt.atheism On Tue, 26 Jul 2005 17:05:43 -0400, Darrell Stec
<darrell_stec@webpagesorcery.com> let us all know that:

After serious contemplation, on or about Tuesday 26 July 2005 2:24 pm
regniztar@btinternet.com wrote:


<jfacts@earthlink.net> wrote

Research shows that believers tend to have good relationships with their
fathers, atheists poor relationships or absent fathers.


*****. Cite your source.

Faith of the Fatherless by Paul Vitz.


When somebody asks for you to CITE your source, they are asking for the
exact quotation from the source, then you name the source. I take it that
you haven't yet made it to the high school level where book reports require
footnotes?

Throwing out a name is dishonest. But then you knew that.

Especially that name, when everyone knows that Vitz'
"research" was done from Encyclopedia Britannica articles.
Don
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User: ""

Title: Re: Is Atheism a Sign of Mental Illness? 27 Jul 2005 01:17:52 AM
Malcolm wrote:

<jfacts@earthlink.net> wrote

Research shows that believers tend to have good relationships with their
fathers, atheists poor relationships or absent fathers.


*****. Cite your source.

Faith of the Fatherless by Paul Vitz.

Citing a source means to cite a short excerpt of the text for
which you then offer author, title, publisher, city, publish
date and page number, thusly:
"The argumentum ad hominem, meaning 'argument directed
to the man,' is the kind of argument that criticizes the arguer
rather than his argument." -- Walton, Douglas N. Informal
Logic. Cambridge: Cambridge University Press, 1989 p. 134.
When you cite a source several things are accomplished.
It indicates to me that you probably aren't relying on your
memory. I don't trust peoples memories for such things
since I don't trust mine for such things.
It indicates that you've also probably got the right source-
-the book actually says what you say it does. It tells me
where I can go to verify this citation without having to
scan the entire book to see if the book actually has
support for the claim or is just blowing smoke.
Citing just "Faith of the Fatherless by Paul Vitz." tells me
you don't have access to the book and may in fact have
what he says wrong. Or maybe Vitz has some study
of 50 atheists done by Moonies.
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User: "Malcolm"

Title: Re: Is Atheism a Sign of Mental Illness? 27 Jul 2005 04:15:33 PM
<jfacts@earthlink.net> wrote


Malcolm wrote:

<jfacts@earthlink.net> wrote

Research shows that believers tend to have good relationships with
their
fathers, atheists poor relationships or absent fathers.


*****. Cite your source.

Faith of the Fatherless by Paul Vitz.


Citing a source means to cite a short excerpt of the text for
which you then offer author, title, publisher, city, publish
date and page number, thusly:

This is the typical pattern. Atheists ask for something, then when they get,
find some reason to say why its not good enough.
Citing means giving a reference so the person knows where the information
comes from and can check it themselves. Quoting means copying an extract
verbatim.


When you cite a source several things are accomplished.

It indicates to me that you probably aren't relying on your
memory. I don't trust peoples memories for such things
since I don't trust mine for such things.

I was relying on memory. You think I have a whole library to hand every time
I make an assertion?


It indicates that you've also probably got the right source-
-the book actually says what you say it does. It tells me
where I can go to verify this citation without having to
scan the entire book to see if the book actually has
support for the claim or is just blowing smoke.

Citing just "Faith of the Fatherless by Paul Vitz." tells me
you don't have access to the book and may in fact have
what he says wrong. Or maybe Vitz has some study
of 50 atheists done by Moonies.

If you check the web you will see that Paul Vitz is a professor of
psychology and that his book does indeed make the argument I briefly
paraphrased.
You might disagree with what he says, but complaining about cites won't get
you anywhere.
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User: "maf1029 ©2001-2008"

Title: Re: Is Atheism a Sign of Mental Illness? 26 Jul 2005 03:40:55 PM
On Tue, 26 Jul 2005 18:24:48 +0000 (UTC), "Malcolm"
<regniztar@btinternet.com> wrote:


<jfacts@earthlink.net> wrote

Research shows that believers tend to have good relationships with their
fathers, atheists poor relationships or absent fathers.


*****. Cite your source.

Faith of the Fatherless by Paul Vitz.

A cite from a vanity press *****. How cute.
Now let's see the flip side of Vitz's .. well, it's not research... so
whatever the antonym of research would be:
from:
http://atheism.about.com/b/a/172792.htm
Had Vitz bothered to test his theories empirically or open them up to
peer review, or even look up the definition of Atheist in a dictionary
he would have to abandon them in favor of searching for a reasonable
explanation to Atheism. Yet for ten years Vitz actively avoiding
participating in a professional, scientific manner informs the public
that his true purpose for writing the book was simply to demean
Atheists as a product of family or mental dysfunction.
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User: "Ben Goren"

Title: Re: Is Atheism a Sign of Mental Illness? 22 Jul 2005 10:54:12 PM
Malcolm wrote:

Research shows that believers tend to have good relationships
with their fathers, atheists poor relationships or absent
fathers.

/What/ research, liar? Do we need to bugger you with a rusty cross
to get you to put up or shut up, just like we had to with your
famous ``FIFTY DOCUMENTS''?
Cheers,
b&
--
BAAWA Knight of Blasphemy
All but God can prove this sentence true.
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User: "655321"

Title: Re: Is Atheism a Sign of Mental Illness? 24 Jul 2005 06:46:26 PM
On 2005-07-22 14:36:06 -0700, "Malcolm" <regniztar@btinternet.com> said:

"J Young" <youngopinions@aol.com> wrote


All of which makes me wonder if we're asking the right question.
Perhaps we should be asking if atheism is symptomatic of mental
illness. Perhaps atheists are, in a word, insane.

Perhaps not.

One can only hope that the possible link between atheism and mental
illness is examined honestly

Yes. It needs to be examined honestly so it can be readily dispatched
as the product of deluded fantasy of the insanely arrogant theist.

before countless others suffer needlessly.

Research shows

You mean actual peer-reviewed research by a neutral of a meaningful
cross-section of the atheist demographic?
Or do you mean the suppositions of a self-proclaimed expert on the
atheists and their psychological makeup? (You mean Vitz, right? Hah!)

that believers tend to have good relationships with their fathers,
atheists poor relationships or absent fathers.

That you state this as revealed truth as opposed to unscientific
noodling is telling.

However it is not an absolute rule, of course.

I very much doubt that it is even a tendency.

One can find believers from broken homes, and atheists from happy
ones. It doesn't tell us anything about which belief is true.

This is the one reasonable thing you've said.

What it does tell is is that, as humans, our ability to reach
conclusions based on evidence is limited.

Your conclusions about atheists and their fathers is a prime example.
You apparently *like* that conclusion, so you believe the "research."

A large number of people must think that their beliefs are based on
reason, when there is no way they can be.

The invention of gods by humans is the end-result of veering away from reason.

We must be aware of that fact.

Facts are useful things. Gods are expedient things of little real use.
--
GlennGlenn (655321) -- aa#825 --

"Genocide is used sparingly by God in only extreme circumstances." -Jim Spaza
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User: ""

Title: Re: Is Atheism a Sign of Mental Illness? 22 Jul 2005 05:37:36 PM
Religion was invented by primitive cultures to provide answers to
questions their limited science and intelligence could not yet grasp.
Every society molds there beliefs to fit the time in which they lived,
thus the Greek sun god Apollow (Helios) rode a golden chariot across
the sky, while other cultures developed their own visions of Gods to
fit their needs. Todays primitive older religions are quickly loosing
their followers as they no longer are needed by intelligent people to
explain the obvious.
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User: "Mickey"

Title: Re: Is Atheism a Sign of Mental Illness? 22 Jul 2005 05:52:28 PM
<AntiZioNazi@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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Religion was invented by primitive cultures to provide answers to
questions

such as, why would nature ever create something as vile as you, teddy boy?
Just random chance, and the fact that your parents were siblings. I'd sue
them for lack of genetic support... then again, you could just accept it
and......
Dance for us teddy boy, Dance for us
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User: ""

Title: Re: Is Atheism a Sign of Mental Illness? 22 Jul 2005 06:24:27 PM
Did I mention primitive people, Oh yes, I did include you Mouth.
Never mind
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User: "Mickey"

Title: Re: Is Atheism a Sign of Mental Illness? 22 Jul 2005 10:02:11 PM
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Did I mention primitive people

Your family? Not recently.... do you even KNOW any of them?
Why not stop making SUCH a moron of yourself, and just......
Dance for us teddy boy, Dance for us
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User: "Peacenik"

Title: Re: Is Atheism a Sign of Mental Illness? 22 Jul 2005 10:38:22 AM
"J Young" <youngopinions@aol.com> wrote in message
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Bill Maher's recent accusation that religious believers suffer from a
"neurological disorder" that stops them from thinking is hardly
just the ranting of another Hollywood moonbat.

Indeed, it is an accurate observation of reality. My hat is off to Maher for
having the guts to tell it like it is.
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User: "Stromberg"

Title: Re: Is Atheism a Sign of Mental Illness? 27 Aug 2005 02:52:23 AM
"J Young" <youngopinions@aol.com> wrote in message
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Bill Maher's recent accusation that religious believers suffer from a
"neurological disorder" that stops them from thinking is hardly
just the ranting of another Hollywood moonbat.

Maher may have some funny humor once in a while, but his pro-atheist views
are a result of his being poorly educated about the beauty and truth of God.
Since Maher grew up Jewish, he may have been incorrectly taught that the
holocaust was "religious hatred", which it was not.
The holocaust occurred during a fierce World War run by an atheist, Adolph
Hitler, who incorrectly believed people were merely competitive animals and
that only the strongest should survive. Tens of millions of other people
died too, not just Jews. The Jews were seen as a class of people rather than
a religion, and Hitler himself believed that all Jews were communists.
World War II likely resulted because of the conditions set down by the
Versailles Treaty. None of this had anything to do with religion, but
rather, the desire for money.
The main causes for war are probably selfishness, the desire to take money
from others, and the belief that people are basically animals who must
compete against each other.
Selfishness, money-lust and animal-based atheism are all false beliefs, and
they cause more wars than any religion ever has. They don't bring happiness
nor do they create more love.

observed to Joe Scarborough:

"We are a nation that is unenlightened because of religion. I do
believe that. I think that religion stops people from thinking. I think
it justifies crazies. I think flying planes into a building was a
faith-based initiative. I think religion is a neurological disorder. If
you look at it logically, it's something that was drilled into your
head when you were a small child. It certainly was drilled into mine at
that age. And you really can't be responsible when you are a kid for
what adults put into your head."

Somewhat more inflammatory (and less tedious), perhaps, than Richard
Dawkins when he observed that "The meme for blind faith secures its
own perpetuation by the simple unconscious expedient of discouraging
rational inquiry." And somewhat on par with Ted Turner's contention
that Christianity was for "losers" and Jesse Ventura's belief
that faith is a crutch for "weak-minded people." Regardless, they
all reflect the same basic contention: that religion is something
irrational, embraced by only those with a strange mental condition.

All of which makes me wonder if we're asking the right question.
Perhaps we should be asking if atheism is symptomatic of mental
illness. Perhaps atheists are, in a word, insane.

I mean, think about it. Here we have a faith - a belief system, if
you will - that presumes not merely the non-existence of a creative
deity but that what we commonly call the "mind" is nothing more
than neurological impulses in physical tissue. Yet at the same time,
this very organ - the same instrument that generates the impulses -
is supposed to be able to independently verify those signals. They
adopt a belief system which effectively prevents them from validly
separating reality from a drug dream, and then claim that they can.
This certainly suggests a significant cognitive dissonance worthy of
concern.

Further, neurological research indicates that a particular part of the
brain is connected to religious experiences. Perhaps atheists are the
product of a genetic deficiency or disorder - and if so, one can only
wonder what else is wrong with them. After all, most atheists seem to
suffer from delusions of grandeur, convinced that they hold the keys to
humanity's march toward utopia. They are also quite happy to embrace
programs to "improve" humanity to suit their own purposes -
hardly a coincidence, one would have to suggest, that the most
repressive regimes of recent days have all been formulated along
atheistic, humanist principles. One can only hope that the possible
link between atheism and mental illness is examined honestly before
countless others suffer needlessly.

A mental illness results when a person goes 3 or 4 days straight with no
sleep. This has nothing to do with whether a person is atheist or religious.


.
User: "Moishe Lipshitz"

Title: Re: Is Atheism a Sign of Mental Illness? 27 Aug 2005 02:18:14 PM
"Stromberg" <strom@no.spam.net> wrote in message
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"J Young" <youngopinions@aol.com> wrote in message
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Bill Maher's recent accusation that religious believers suffer from a
"neurological disorder" that stops them from thinking is hardly
just the ranting of another Hollywood moonbat.


Maher may have some funny humor once in a while, but his pro-atheist views
are a result of his being poorly educated about the beauty and truth of
God.

All jews are poorly educated.


Since Maher grew up Jewish, he may have been incorrectly taught that the
holocaust was "religious hatred", which it was not.

The holocaust occurred during a fierce World War run by an atheist, Adolph
Hitler, who incorrectly believed people were merely competitive animals
and
that only the strongest should survive.

He was correct. If you want to see "god's" nature just look around you and
stop reading crap from fragments of parchment written by crazy old yahoodies
in the desert.
Tens of millions of other people

died too, not just Jews. The Jews were seen as a class of people rather
than
a religion, and Hitler himself believed that all Jews were communists.

Almost all of them were and were intending to do to Germany and the rest of
Europe what they did to Russia.


World War II likely resulted because of the conditions set down by the
Versailles Treaty. None of this had anything to do with religion, but
rather, the desire for money.

So? That's the cause of almost all problems and conflicts. The blood sucking
jew communists(just a jew gang really) were the one's trying to dominate the
European economy.


The main causes for war are probably selfishness, the desire to take money
from others, and the belief that people are basically animals who must
compete against each other.

Selfishness, money-lust and animal-based atheism are all false beliefs,
and
they cause more wars than any religion ever has. They don't bring
happiness
nor do they create more love.

observed to Joe Scarborough:

"We are a nation that is unenlightened because of religion. I do
believe that. I think that religion stops people from thinking. I think
it justifies crazies. I think flying planes into a building was a
faith-based initiative. I think religion is a neurological disorder. If
you look at it logically, it's something that was drilled into your
head when you were a small child. It certainly was drilled into mine at
that age. And you really can't be responsible when you are a kid for
what adults put into your head."

Somewhat more inflammatory (and less tedious), perhaps, than Richard
Dawkins when he observed that "The meme for blind faith secures its
own perpetuation by the simple unconscious expedient of discouraging
rational inquiry." And somewhat on par with Ted Turner's contention
that Christianity was for "losers" and Jesse Ventura's belief
that faith is a crutch for "weak-minded people." Regardless, they
all reflect the same basic contention: that religion is something
irrational, embraced by only those with a strange mental condition.

Well, just take a look at the people supporting theses wacko evangelists. Do
they look like the creme de la creme to you? lol


All of which makes me wonder if we're asking the right question.
Perhaps we should be asking if atheism is symptomatic of mental
illness. Perhaps atheists are, in a word, insane.

I mean, think about it. Here we have a faith - a belief system, if
you will - that presumes not merely the non-existence of a creative
deity but that what we commonly call the "mind" is nothing more
than neurological impulses in physical tissue. Yet at the same time,
this very organ - the same instrument that generates the impulses -
is supposed to be able to independently verify those signals. They
adopt a belief system which effectively prevents them from validly
separating reality from a drug dream, and then claim that they can.
This certainly suggests a significant cognitive dissonance worthy of
concern.

Further, neurological research indicates that a particular part of the
brain is connected to religious experiences.

Fantasy.
Perhaps atheists are the

product of a genetic deficiency or disorder - and if so, one can only
wonder what else is wrong with them. After all, most atheists seem to
suffer from delusions of grandeur

Than why are "religious" delusions the most common.
, convinced that they hold the keys to

humanity's march toward utopia. They are also quite happy to embrace
programs to "improve" humanity to suit their own purposes -
hardly a coincidence, one would have to suggest, that the most
repressive regimes of recent days have all been formulated along
atheistic, humanist principles

That's not true. They all have some "religious" belief behind them whether
it's the Muslims or the Communists (jews)
.. One can only hope that the possible

link between atheism and mental illness is examined honestly before
countless others suffer needlessly.


A mental illness results when a person goes 3 or 4 days straight with no
sleep. This has nothing to do with whether a person is atheist or
religious.




.

User: "Jeff Welch"

Title: Re: Is Atheism a Sign of Mental Illness? 27 Aug 2005 10:41:31 AM
"Stromberg" <strom@no.spam.net> wrote in message
news:XYUPe.619$wE1.85@trndny01...

The holocaust occurred during a fierce World War run by an atheist, Adolph
Hitler

Adolph Hitler was not an atheist - he was a Christian - specifically a
Catholic.
Not a very good Catholic to be sure, but he never claimed to be an atheist.
-Jeff
.

User: "ריעין ברתון‎/Riain Barton"

Title: Re: Is Atheism a Sign of Mental Illness? 27 Aug 2005 08:01:55 PM
Bill Maher was brought up Jewish, you fucking idiot.
"Stromberg" <strom@no.spam.net> wrote in message
news:XYUPe.619$wE1.85@trndny01...
: "J Young" <youngopinions@aol.com> wrote in message
: news:1122007526.349548.251360@g43g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
: > Bill Maher's recent accusation that religious believers suffer from
a
: > "neurological disorder" that stops them from thinking is hardly
: > just the ranting of another Hollywood moonbat.
:
: Maher may have some funny humor once in a while, but his pro-atheist
views
: are a result of his being poorly educated about the beauty and truth
of God.
:
: Since Maher grew up Jewish, he may have been incorrectly taught that
the
: holocaust was "religious hatred", which it was not.
:
: The holocaust occurred during a fierce World War run by an atheist,
Adolph
: Hitler, who incorrectly believed people were merely competitive
animals and
: that only the strongest should survive. Tens of millions of other
people
: died too, not just Jews. The Jews were seen as a class of people
rather than
: a religion, and Hitler himself believed that all Jews were communists.
:
: World War II likely resulted because of the conditions set down by the
: Versailles Treaty. None of this had anything to do with religion, but
: rather, the desire for money.
:
: The main causes for war are probably selfishness, the desire to take
money
: from others, and the belief that people are basically animals who must
: compete against each other.
:
: Selfishness, money-lust and animal-based atheism are all false
beliefs, and
: they cause more wars than any religion ever has. They don't bring
happiness
: nor do they create more love.
:
: > observed to Joe Scarborough:
: >
: > "We are a nation that is unenlightened because of religion. I do
: > believe that. I think that religion stops people from thinking. I
think
: > it justifies crazies. I think flying planes into a building was a
: > faith-based initiative. I think religion is a neurological disorder.
If
: > you look at it logically, it's something that was drilled into your
: > head when you were a small child. It certainly was drilled into mine
at
: > that age. And you really can't be responsible when you are a kid for
: > what adults put into your head."
: >
: > Somewhat more inflammatory (and less tedious), perhaps, than Richard
: > Dawkins when he observed that "The meme for blind faith secures its
: > own perpetuation by the simple unconscious expedient of discouraging
: > rational inquiry." And somewhat on par with Ted Turner's contention
: > that Christianity was for "losers" and Jesse Ventura's belief
: > that faith is a crutch for "weak-minded people." Regardless, they
: > all reflect the same basic contention: that religion is something
: > irrational, embraced by only those with a strange mental condition.
: >
: > All of which makes me wonder if we're asking the right question.
: > Perhaps we should be asking if atheism is symptomatic of mental
: > illness. Perhaps atheists are, in a word, insane.
: >
: > I mean, think about it. Here we have a faith - a belief system, if
: > you will - that presumes not merely the non-existence of a creative
: > deity but that what we commonly call the "mind" is nothing more
: > than neurological impulses in physical tissue. Yet at the same time,
: > this very organ - the same instrument that generates the impulses -
: > is supposed to be able to independently verify those signals. They
: > adopt a belief system which effectively prevents them from validly
: > separating reality from a drug dream, and then claim that they can.
: > This certainly suggests a significant cognitive dissonance worthy of
: > concern.
: >
: > Further, neurological research indicates that a particular part of
the
: > brain is connected to religious experiences. Perhaps atheists are
the
: > product of a genetic deficiency or disorder - and if so, one can
only
: > wonder what else is wrong with them. After all, most atheists seem
to
: > suffer from delusions of grandeur, convinced that they hold the keys
to
: > humanity's march toward utopia. They are also quite happy to embrace
: > programs to "improve" humanity to suit their own purposes -
: > hardly a coincidence, one would have to suggest, that the most
: > repressive regimes of recent days have all been formulated along
: > atheistic, humanist principles. One can only hope that the possible
: > link between atheism and mental illness is examined honestly before
: > countless others suffer needlessly.
:
: A mental illness results when a person goes 3 or 4 days straight with
no
: sleep. This has nothing to do with whether a person is atheist or
religious.
:
: >
:
:
.
User: "Clave"

Title: Re: Is Atheism a Sign of Mental Illness? 27 Aug 2005 08:04:52 PM
"ריעין ברתון‎/Riain Barton" <riain@zion.org.il> wrote in message
news:BY7Qe.5929$7F.4764@bignews3.bellsouth.net...

Bill Maher was brought up Jewish, you fucking idiot.

Wrong.
He's Jewish by birth, but was brought up Catholic.
Jim




"Stromberg" <strom@no.spam.net> wrote in message
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: "J Young" <youngopinions@aol.com> wrote in message
: news:1122007526.349548.251360@g43g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
: > Bill Maher's recent accusation that religious believers suffer from
a
: > "neurological disorder" that stops them from thinking is hardly
: > just the ranting of another Hollywood moonbat.
:
: Maher may have some funny humor once in a while, but his pro-atheist
views
: are a result of his being poorly educated about the beauty and truth
of God.
:
: Since Maher grew up Jewish, he may have been incorrectly taught that
the
: holocaust was "religious hatred", which it was not.
:
: The holocaust occurred during a fierce World War run by an atheist,
Adolph
: Hitler, who incorrectly believed people were merely competitive
animals and
: that only the strongest should survive. Tens of millions of other
people
: died too, not just Jews. The Jews were seen as a class of people
rather than
: a religion, and Hitler himself believed that all Jews were communists.
:
: World War II likely resulted because of the conditions set down by the
: Versailles Treaty. None of this had anything to do with religion, but
: rather, the desire for money.
:
: The main causes for war are probably selfishness, the desire to take
money
: from others, and the belief that people are basically animals who must
: compete against each other.
:
: Selfishness, money-lust and animal-based atheism are all false
beliefs, and
: they cause more wars than any religion ever has. They don't bring
happiness
: nor do they create more love.
:
: > observed to Joe Scarborough:
: >
: > "We are a nation that is unenlightened because of religion. I do
: > believe that. I think that religion stops people from thinking. I
think
: > it justifies crazies. I think flying planes into a building was a
: > faith-based initiative. I think religion is a neurological disorder.
If
: > you look at it logically, it's something that was drilled into your
: > head when you were a small child. It certainly was drilled into mine
at
: > that age. And you really can't be responsible when you are a kid for
: > what adults put into your head."
: >
: > Somewhat more inflammatory (and less tedious), perhaps, than Richard
: > Dawkins when he observed that "The meme for blind faith secures its
: > own perpetuation by the simple unconscious expedient of discouraging
: > rational inquiry." And somewhat on par with Ted Turner's contention
: > that Christianity was for "losers" and Jesse Ventura's belief
: > that faith is a crutch for "weak-minded people." Regardless, they
: > all reflect the same basic contention: that religion is something
: > irrational, embraced by only those with a strange mental condition.
: >
: > All of which makes me wonder if we're asking the right question.
: > Perhaps we should be asking if atheism is symptomatic of mental
: > illness. Perhaps atheists are, in a word, insane.
: >
: > I mean, think about it. Here we have a faith - a belief system, if
: > you will - that presumes not merely the non-existence of a creative
: > deity but that what we commonly call the "mind" is nothing more
: > than neurological impulses in physical tissue. Yet at the same time,
: > this very organ - the same instrument that generates the impulses -
: > is supposed to be able to independently verify those signals. They
: > adopt a belief system which effectively prevents them from validly
: > separating reality from a drug dream, and then claim that they can.
: > This certainly suggests a significant cognitive dissonance worthy of
: > concern.
: >
: > Further, neurological research indicates that a particular part of
the
: > brain is connected to religious experiences. Perhaps atheists are
the
: > product of a genetic deficiency or disorder - and if so, one can
only
: > wonder what else is wrong with them. After all, most atheists seem
to
: > suffer from delusions of grandeur, convinced that they hold the keys
to
: > humanity's march toward utopia. They are also quite happy to embrace
: > programs to "improve" humanity to suit their own purposes -
: > hardly a coincidence, one would have to suggest, that the most
: > repressive regimes of recent days have all been formulated along
: > atheistic, humanist principles. One can only hope that the possible
: > link between atheism and mental illness is examined honestly before
: > countless others suffer needlessly.
:
: A mental illness results when a person goes 3 or 4 days straight with
no
: sleep. This has nothing to do with whether a person is atheist or
religious.
:
: >
:
:


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