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Religions > Atheism |
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"Ron Baker, Pluralitas!" |
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29 Jun 2004 11:21:43 PM |
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Is atheism anti-semitic? |
Is atheism anti-semitic?
As a member of a minority persecuted on religious
grounds, I am sensitive to other's beliefs.
I am all for freedom of thought.
I don't care what you believe about deities
as long as you believe in equal rights and
the equality of human kind.
The problem is that most religions (Buddhism
perhaps being an acception) contain claims of
unique moral or divine status of their adherents.
That is bigotry.
I enjoy skewering those who would claim
such status, regardless of their religion.
If one challenges the posed unique moral or divine
status of a group one can expect reprobration.
If one levels the challenge at Judaism, a charge
of anti-semitism seems assured.
What is anti-semitism?
Is challenging the tenets of Judaism
anti-semitic?
Is anti-semitism racism?
Is atheistic disbelief in the tenets of
Judaism anti-semitic?
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RB
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| User: "=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Micha=EBlM?=" |
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| Title: Re: Is atheism anti-semitic? |
30 Jun 2004 12:27:39 PM |
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Ron Baker, Pluralitas! a écrit :
how Israel is the most open and tolerant society in a part of the world
where people want to destroy them just because of who they are. Instead
you'll just propogate negative stereotypes and equate self-defense with
murder.
What negative stereotype is he propogating?
That Israel is a theocracy (sic) and devil. Can't blame all Israeli for
what moron Sharon do.
MichaëlM
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| User: "Ron Baker, Pluralitas!" |
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| Title: Re: Is atheism anti-semitic? |
30 Jun 2004 05:42:39 PM |
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"MichaëlM" <monzo@free.fr> wrote in message
news:40e2f809$0$29379$626a14ce@news.free.fr...
Ron Baker, Pluralitas! a écrit :
how Israel is the most open and tolerant society in a part of the world
where people want to destroy them just because of who they are. Instead
you'll just propogate negative stereotypes and equate self-defense with
murder.
What negative stereotype is he propogating?
That Israel is a theocracy (sic) and devil. Can't blame all Israeli for
what moron Sharon do.
Clayton's complaint explicitly refers to the *government* of Israel.
--
RB
aa#2187
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| User: "=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Micha=EBlM?=" |
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| Title: Re: Is atheism anti-semitic? |
30 Jun 2004 06:53:38 PM |
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Ron Baker, Pluralitas! a écrit :
"MichaëlM" <monzo@free.fr> wrote in message
news:40e2f809$0$29379$626a14ce@news.free.fr...
Ron Baker, Pluralitas! a écrit :
how Israel is the most open and tolerant society in a part of the world
where people want to destroy them just because of who they are. Instead
you'll just propogate negative stereotypes and equate self-defense with
murder.
What negative stereotype is he propogating?
That Israel is a theocracy (sic) and devil. Can't blame all Israeli for
what moron Sharon do.
Clayton's complaint explicitly refers to the *government* of Israel.
But it still not a theocracy.
MichaëlM
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| User: "Ron Baker, Pluralitas!" |
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| Title: Re: Is atheism anti-semitic? |
01 Jul 2004 10:30:29 PM |
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"MichaëlM" <monzo@free.fr> wrote in message
news:40e3527f$0$29377$626a14ce@news.free.fr...
Ron Baker, Pluralitas! a écrit :
"MichaëlM" <monzo@free.fr> wrote in message
news:40e2f809$0$29379$626a14ce@news.free.fr...
Ron Baker, Pluralitas! a écrit :
how Israel is the most open and tolerant society in a part of the
world
where people want to destroy them just because of who they are.
Instead
you'll just propogate negative stereotypes and equate self-defense
with
murder.
What negative stereotype is he propogating?
That Israel is a theocracy (sic) and devil. Can't blame all Israeli for
what moron Sharon do.
Clayton's complaint explicitly refers to the *government* of Israel.
But it still not a theocracy.
Identity cards indicate the 'religion' of the holder.
--
RB
aa#2187
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| User: "Roy Jose Lorr" |
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| Title: Re: Is atheism anti-semitic? |
02 Jul 2004 01:00:45 AM |
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"Ron Baker, Pluralitas!" wrote:
"MichaëlM" <monzo@free.fr> wrote in message
news:40e3527f$0$29377$626a14ce@news.free.fr...
Ron Baker, Pluralitas! a écrit :
"MichaëlM" <monzo@free.fr> wrote in message
news:40e2f809$0$29379$626a14ce@news.free.fr...
Ron Baker, Pluralitas! a écrit :
how Israel is the most open and tolerant society in a part of the
world
where people want to destroy them just because of who they are.
Instead
you'll just propogate negative stereotypes and equate self-defense
with
murder.
What negative stereotype is he propogating?
That Israel is a theocracy (sic) and devil. Can't blame all Israeli for
what moron Sharon do.
Clayton's complaint explicitly refers to the *government* of Israel.
But it still not a theocracy.
Identity cards indicate the 'religion' of the holder.
In a Jewish country besieged on all sides by those
who would do it harm it makes sense to know
who is a Jew and who is not.
When I was in the U.S. military our dog tags were
stamped with our religion. Most job applications
for gov't. and civilian employment required
identification of religion. I believe that held true
for most countries. Were they all theocracies?
--
The last stage of
utopian sentimentalism
is homicidal mania.
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| User: "Lars Eighner" |
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| Title: Re: Is atheism anti-semitic? |
02 Jul 2004 03:50:07 AM |
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In our last episode,
<40E4FA53.7542476D@worldnet.att.net>,
the lovely and talented Roy Jose Lorr
broadcast on alt.atheism:
"Ron Baker, Pluralitas!" wrote:
"MichaëlM" <monzo@free.fr> wrote in message
news:40e3527f$0$29377$626a14ce@news.free.fr...
Ron Baker, Pluralitas! a écrit :
"MichaëlM" <monzo@free.fr> wrote in message
news:40e2f809$0$29379$626a14ce@news.free.fr...
Ron Baker, Pluralitas! a écrit :
how Israel is the most open and tolerant society in a part of the
world
where people want to destroy them just because of who they are.
Instead
you'll just propogate negative stereotypes and equate self-defense
with
murder.
What negative stereotype is he propogating?
That Israel is a theocracy (sic) and devil. Can't blame all Israeli for
what moron Sharon do.
Clayton's complaint explicitly refers to the *government* of Israel.
But it still not a theocracy.
Identity cards indicate the 'religion' of the holder.
In a Jewish country
Exactly. You say it is a "Jewish country." That is
exactly the point. It is a theocracy.
--
Rev. Lars Eighner, ULC, Atheist #1965 http://www.io.com/~eighner
"I hope I never get so old I get religious." --Ingmar Bergman
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| User: "Roy Jose Lorr" |
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| Title: Re: Is atheism anti-semitic? |
02 Jul 2004 09:26:09 AM |
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Lars Eighner wrote:
In our last episode,
<40E4FA53.7542476D@worldnet.att.net>,
the lovely and talented Roy Jose Lorr
broadcast on alt.atheism:
"Ron Baker, Pluralitas!" wrote:
"MichaëlM" <monzo@free.fr> wrote in message
news:40e3527f$0$29377$626a14ce@news.free.fr...
Ron Baker, Pluralitas! a écrit :
"MichaëlM" <monzo@free.fr> wrote in message
news:40e2f809$0$29379$626a14ce@news.free.fr...
Ron Baker, Pluralitas! a écrit :
how Israel is the most open and tolerant society in a part of the
world
where people want to destroy them just because of who they are.
Instead
you'll just propogate negative stereotypes and equate self-defense
with
murder.
What negative stereotype is he propogating?
That Israel is a theocracy (sic) and devil. Can't blame all Israeli for
what moron Sharon do.
Clayton's complaint explicitly refers to the *government* of Israel.
But it still not a theocracy.
Identity cards indicate the 'religion' of the holder.
In a Jewish country
Exactly. You say it is a "Jewish country." That is
exactly the point. It is a theocracy.
The U.S. was considered an xian
country... was it a theocracy?
theocracy
\The*oc"ra*cy\, n.
1. Government of a state by the immediate direction or
administration of God; hence, the exercise of political
authority by priests as representing the Deity.
Source: Webster's Revised Unabridged Dictionary, © 1996, 1998 MICRA, I
--
Rev. Lars Eighner, ULC, Atheist #1965 http://www.io.com/~eighner
Another mail order minister... lol
--
The last stage of
utopian sentimentalism
is homicidal mania.
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| User: "Ron Baker, Pluralitas!" |
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| Title: Re: Is atheism anti-semitic? |
02 Jul 2004 11:24:22 AM |
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"Roy Jose Lorr" <mosestorah@worldnet.att.net> wrote in message
news:40E570C7.9062C408@worldnet.att.net...
Lars Eighner wrote:
In our last episode,
<40E4FA53.7542476D@worldnet.att.net>,
the lovely and talented Roy Jose Lorr
broadcast on alt.atheism:
"Ron Baker, Pluralitas!" wrote:
"MichaëlM" <monzo@free.fr> wrote in message
news:40e3527f$0$29377$626a14ce@news.free.fr...
Ron Baker, Pluralitas! a écrit :
"MichaëlM" <monzo@free.fr> wrote in message
news:40e2f809$0$29379$626a14ce@news.free.fr...
Ron Baker, Pluralitas! a écrit :
how Israel is the most open and tolerant society in a part of
the
world
where people want to destroy them just because of who they are.
Instead
you'll just propogate negative stereotypes and equate
self-defense
with
murder.
What negative stereotype is he propogating?
That Israel is a theocracy (sic) and devil. Can't blame all
Israeli for
what moron Sharon do.
Clayton's complaint explicitly refers to the *government* of
Israel.
But it still not a theocracy.
Identity cards indicate the 'religion' of the holder.
In a Jewish country
Exactly. You say it is a "Jewish country." That is
exactly the point. It is a theocracy.
The U.S. was considered an xian
country...
The very constitution of the US contradicts
your assertion.
was it a theocracy?
theocracy
\The*oc"ra*cy\, n.
1. Government of a state by the immediate direction or
administration of God; hence, the exercise of political
authority by priests as representing the Deity.
Source: Webster's Revised Unabridged Dictionary, © 1996, 1998 MICRA, I
That definition looks suspicious in that it
refers to a specific deity, God, and not
the generic 'a deity'.
http://www.m-w.com/cgi-bin/dictionary?book=Dictionary&va=theocracy
Main Entry: the·oc·ra·cy
1 : government of a state by immediate divine guidance or
by officials who are regarded as divinely guided
2 : a state governed by a theocracy
The US has never been a theocracy.
--
RB
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| User: "Roy Jose Lorr" |
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| Title: Re: Is atheism anti-semitic? |
02 Jul 2004 11:35:35 AM |
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"Ron Baker, Pluralitas!" wrote:
"Roy Jose Lorr" <mosestorah@worldnet.att.net> wrote in message
news:40E570C7.9062C408@worldnet.att.net...
Lars Eighner wrote:
In our last episode,
<40E4FA53.7542476D@worldnet.att.net>,
the lovely and talented Roy Jose Lorr
broadcast on alt.atheism:
"Ron Baker, Pluralitas!" wrote:
"MichaëlM" <monzo@free.fr> wrote in message
news:40e3527f$0$29377$626a14ce@news.free.fr...
Ron Baker, Pluralitas! a écrit :
"MichaëlM" <monzo@free.fr> wrote in message
news:40e2f809$0$29379$626a14ce@news.free.fr...
Ron Baker, Pluralitas! a écrit :
how Israel is the most open and tolerant society in a part of
the
world
where people want to destroy them just because of who they are.
Instead
you'll just propogate negative stereotypes and equate
self-defense
with
murder.
What negative stereotype is he propogating?
That Israel is a theocracy (sic) and devil. Can't blame all
Israeli for
what moron Sharon do.
Clayton's complaint explicitly refers to the *government* of
Israel.
But it still not a theocracy.
Identity cards indicate the 'religion' of the holder.
In a Jewish country
Exactly. You say it is a "Jewish country." That is
exactly the point. It is a theocracy.
The U.S. was considered an xian
country...
The very constitution of the US contradicts
your assertion.
The Constitution does not dictate what a citizen may or may
not consider.
was it a theocracy?
theocracy
\The*oc"ra*cy\, n.
1. Government of a state by the immediate direction or
administration of God; hence, the exercise of political
authority by priests as representing the Deity.
Source: Webster's Revised Unabridged Dictionary, © 1996, 1998 MICRA, I
That definition looks suspicious in that it
refers to a specific deity, God, and not
the generic 'a deity'.
Zooks.
http://www.m-w.com/cgi-bin/dictionary?book=Dictionary&va=theocracy
Main Entry: the·oc·ra·cy
1 : government of a state by immediate divine guidance or
by officials who are regarded as divinely guided
2 : a state governed by a theocracy
The US has never been a theocracy.
Who said it was?
--
The last stage of
utopian sentimentalism
is homicidal mania.
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| User: "Ron Baker, Pluralitas!" |
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| Title: Re: Is atheism anti-semitic? |
02 Jul 2004 11:55:12 PM |
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"Roy Jose Lorr" <mosestorah@worldnet.att.net> wrote in message
news:40E58F1D.6D053376@worldnet.att.net...
"Ron Baker, Pluralitas!" wrote:
"Roy Jose Lorr" <mosestorah@worldnet.att.net> wrote in message
news:40E570C7.9062C408@worldnet.att.net...
Lars Eighner wrote:
In our last episode,
<40E4FA53.7542476D@worldnet.att.net>,
the lovely and talented Roy Jose Lorr
broadcast on alt.atheism:
"Ron Baker, Pluralitas!" wrote:
"MichaëlM" <monzo@free.fr> wrote in message
news:40e3527f$0$29377$626a14ce@news.free.fr...
Ron Baker, Pluralitas! a écrit :
"MichaëlM" <monzo@free.fr> wrote in message
news:40e2f809$0$29379$626a14ce@news.free.fr...
Ron Baker, Pluralitas! a écrit :
how Israel is the most open and tolerant society in a part
of
the
world
where people want to destroy them just because of who they
are.
Instead
you'll just propogate negative stereotypes and equate
self-defense
with
murder.
What negative stereotype is he propogating?
That Israel is a theocracy (sic) and devil. Can't blame all
Israeli for
what moron Sharon do.
Clayton's complaint explicitly refers to the *government* of
Israel.
But it still not a theocracy.
Identity cards indicate the 'religion' of the holder.
In a Jewish country
Exactly. You say it is a "Jewish country." That is
exactly the point. It is a theocracy.
The U.S. was considered an xian
country...
The very constitution of the US contradicts
your assertion.
The Constitution does not dictate what a citizen may or may
not consider.
Your statements are a red herring.
You said Israel is a 'Jewish country'.
Identity cards indicate the 'religion' of the holder.
The government of Israel descriminates based
on religion.
--
RB
aa#2187
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| User: "Roy Jose Lorr" |
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| Title: Re: Is atheism anti-semitic? |
04 Jul 2004 12:15:50 AM |
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"Ron Baker, Pluralitas!" wrote:
"Roy Jose Lorr" <mosestorah@worldnet.att.net> wrote in message
news:40E58F1D.6D053376@worldnet.att.net...
"Ron Baker, Pluralitas!" wrote:
"Roy Jose Lorr" <mosestorah@worldnet.att.net> wrote in message
news:40E570C7.9062C408@worldnet.att.net...
Lars Eighner wrote:
In our last episode,
<40E4FA53.7542476D@worldnet.att.net>,
the lovely and talented Roy Jose Lorr
broadcast on alt.atheism:
"Ron Baker, Pluralitas!" wrote:
"MichaëlM" <monzo@free.fr> wrote in message
news:40e3527f$0$29377$626a14ce@news.free.fr...
Ron Baker, Pluralitas! a écrit :
"MichaëlM" <monzo@free.fr> wrote in message
news:40e2f809$0$29379$626a14ce@news.free.fr...
Ron Baker, Pluralitas! a écrit :
how Israel is the most open and tolerant society in a part
of
the
world
where people want to destroy them just because of who they
are.
Instead
you'll just propogate negative stereotypes and equate
self-defense
with
murder.
What negative stereotype is he propogating?
That Israel is a theocracy (sic) and devil. Can't blame all
Israeli for
what moron Sharon do.
Clayton's complaint explicitly refers to the *government* of
Israel.
But it still not a theocracy.
Identity cards indicate the 'religion' of the holder.
In a Jewish country
Exactly. You say it is a "Jewish country." That is
exactly the point. It is a theocracy.
The U.S. was considered an xian
country...
The very constitution of the US contradicts
your assertion.
The Constitution does not dictate what a citizen may or may
not consider.
Your statements are a red herring.
You said Israel is a 'Jewish country'.
I said Israel is a Jewish State. The country is composed of many an ethnicity.
Identity cards indicate the 'religion' of the holder.
Not too many moons ago in the U.S.:
Dog tags in the U.S. military were stamped with the
religion of the wearer.
Employment applications in the U.S. asked for the
applicants religion.
U.S. schools asked for the student's religion.
Etc., etc., etc..
The government of Israel descriminates based
on religion.
Who, what, when, where, how?
--
The last stage of
utopian sentimentalism
is homicidal mania.
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| User: "Fester" |
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| Title: Re: Is atheism anti-semitic? |
04 Jul 2004 12:29:48 PM |
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"Roy Jose Lorr" <mosestorah@worldnet.att.net> wrote in message
news:40E792CD.8E1BB15F@worldnet.att.net...
"Ron Baker, Pluralitas!" wrote:
"Roy Jose Lorr" <mosestorah@worldnet.att.net> wrote in message
news:40E58F1D.6D053376@worldnet.att.net...
"Ron Baker, Pluralitas!" wrote:
"Roy Jose Lorr" <mosestorah@worldnet.att.net> wrote in message
news:40E570C7.9062C408@worldnet.att.net...
Lars Eighner wrote:
In our last episode,
<40E4FA53.7542476D@worldnet.att.net>,
the lovely and talented Roy Jose Lorr
broadcast on alt.atheism:
"Ron Baker, Pluralitas!" wrote:
"MichaëlM" <monzo@free.fr> wrote in message
news:40e3527f$0$29377$626a14ce@news.free.fr...
Ron Baker, Pluralitas! a écrit :
"MichaëlM" <monzo@free.fr> wrote in message
news:40e2f809$0$29379$626a14ce@news.free.fr...
Ron Baker, Pluralitas! a écrit :
how Israel is the most open and tolerant society in a
part
of
the
world
where people want to destroy them just because of who
they
are.
Instead
you'll just propogate negative stereotypes and equate
self-defense
with
murder.
What negative stereotype is he propogating?
That Israel is a theocracy (sic) and devil. Can't blame
all
Israeli for
what moron Sharon do.
Clayton's complaint explicitly refers to the *government*
of
Israel.
But it still not a theocracy.
Identity cards indicate the 'religion' of the holder.
In a Jewish country
Exactly. You say it is a "Jewish country." That is
exactly the point. It is a theocracy.
The U.S. was considered an xian
country...
The very constitution of the US contradicts
your assertion.
The Constitution does not dictate what a citizen may or may
not consider.
Your statements are a red herring.
You said Israel is a 'Jewish country'.
I said Israel is a Jewish State. The country is composed of many an
ethnicity.
Identity cards indicate the 'religion' of the holder.
Not too many moons ago in the U.S.:
Dog tags in the U.S. military were stamped with the
religion of the wearer.
Employment applications in the U.S. asked for the
applicants religion.
U.S. schools asked for the student's religion.
Etc., etc., etc..
They not only asked, but were conditions for employment. Jews, through the
1930's and at least partway into the 1940's were not allowed to be engineers
or a number of other professions in the US. Discrimination on the basis of
religion, however illegal, was institutionalized.
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| User: "Roy Jose Lorr" |
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| Title: Re: Is atheism anti-semitic? |
04 Jul 2004 01:56:47 PM |
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Fester wrote:
"Roy Jose Lorr" <mosestorah@worldnet.att.net> wrote in message
news:40E792CD.8E1BB15F@worldnet.att.net...
"Ron Baker, Pluralitas!" wrote:
"Roy Jose Lorr" <mosestorah@worldnet.att.net> wrote in message
news:40E58F1D.6D053376@worldnet.att.net...
"Ron Baker, Pluralitas!" wrote:
"Roy Jose Lorr" <mosestorah@worldnet.att.net> wrote in message
news:40E570C7.9062C408@worldnet.att.net...
Lars Eighner wrote:
In our last episode,
<40E4FA53.7542476D@worldnet.att.net>,
the lovely and talented Roy Jose Lorr
broadcast on alt.atheism:
"Ron Baker, Pluralitas!" wrote:
"MichaëlM" <monzo@free.fr> wrote in message
news:40e3527f$0$29377$626a14ce@news.free.fr...
Ron Baker, Pluralitas! a écrit :
"MichaëlM" <monzo@free.fr> wrote in message
news:40e2f809$0$29379$626a14ce@news.free.fr...
Ron Baker, Pluralitas! a écrit :
how Israel is the most open and tolerant society in a
part
of
the
world
where people want to destroy them just because of who
they
are.
Instead
you'll just propogate negative stereotypes and equate
self-defense
with
murder.
What negative stereotype is he propogating?
That Israel is a theocracy (sic) and devil. Can't blame
all
Israeli for
what moron Sharon do.
Clayton's complaint explicitly refers to the *government*
of
Israel.
But it still not a theocracy.
Identity cards indicate the 'religion' of the holder.
In a Jewish country
Exactly. You say it is a "Jewish country." That is
exactly the point. It is a theocracy.
The U.S. was considered an xian
country...
The very constitution of the US contradicts
your assertion.
The Constitution does not dictate what a citizen may or may
not consider.
Your statements are a red herring.
You said Israel is a 'Jewish country'.
I said Israel is a Jewish State. The country is composed of many an
ethnicity.
Identity cards indicate the 'religion' of the holder.
Not too many moons ago in the U.S.:
Dog tags in the U.S. military were stamped with the
religion of the wearer.
Employment applications in the U.S. asked for the
applicants religion.
U.S. schools asked for the student's religion.
Etc., etc., etc..
They not only asked, but were conditions for employment. Jews, through the
1930's and at least partway into the 1940's were not allowed to be engineers
or a number of other professions in the US. Discrimination on the basis of
religion, however illegal, was institutionalized.
You cannot enforce laws that go against nature for very long without
dangerous consequences. Jews who have background knowledge
of this and should know better are nevertheless perversely at the
forefront of many movements that promise to divert nature from its
course. Who ever said Jews are smart?
--
The last stage of
utopian sentimentalism
is homicidal mania.
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| User: "Lars Eighner" |
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| Title: Re: Is atheism anti-semitic? |
02 Jul 2004 09:52:36 AM |
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In our last episode,
<40E570C7.9062C408@worldnet.att.net>,
the lovely and talented Roy Jose Lorr
broadcast on alt.atheism:
Lars Eighner wrote:
In our last episode,
<40E4FA53.7542476D@worldnet.att.net>,
the lovely and talented Roy Jose Lorr
broadcast on alt.atheism:
"Ron Baker, Pluralitas!" wrote:
"MichaëlM" <monzo@free.fr> wrote in message
news:40e3527f$0$29377$626a14ce@news.free.fr...
Ron Baker, Pluralitas! a écrit :
"MichaëlM" <monzo@free.fr> wrote in message
news:40e2f809$0$29379$626a14ce@news.free.fr...
Ron Baker, Pluralitas! a écrit :
how Israel is the most open and tolerant society in a part of the
world
where people want to destroy them just because of who they are.
Instead
you'll just propogate negative stereotypes and equate self-defense
with
murder.
What negative stereotype is he propogating?
That Israel is a theocracy (sic) and devil. Can't blame all Israeli for
what moron Sharon do.
Clayton's complaint explicitly refers to the *government* of Israel.
But it still not a theocracy.
Identity cards indicate the 'religion' of the holder.
In a Jewish country
Exactly. You say it is a "Jewish country." That is
exactly the point. It is a theocracy.
The U.S. was considered an xian
country...
So early as the Treaty of Tripoli (which being ratified is the
fundamental law of the land on par with the Constitution) the
United States declared it was not a Christian nation. Where
is the declaration of the State of Israel that it is not a
Jewish State?
was it a theocracy?
theocracy
\The*oc"ra*cy\, n.
1. Government of a state by the immediate direction or
administration of God; hence, the exercise of political
authority by priests as representing the Deity.
Source: Webster's Revised Unabridged Dictionary, © 1996, 1998 MICRA, I
--
Rev. Lars Eighner, ULC, Atheist #1965 http://www.io.com/~eighner
Another mail order minister... lol
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The last stage of
utopian sentimentalism
is homicidal mania.
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Rev. Lars Eighner, ULC, Atheist #1965 http://www.io.com/~eighner
"I hope I never get so old I get religious." --Ingmar Bergman
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02 Jul 2004 10:41:50 AM |
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Lars Eighner wrote:
In our last episode,
<40E570C7.9062C408@worldnet.att.net>,
the lovely and talented Roy Jose Lorr
broadcast on alt.atheism:
Lars Eighner wrote:
In our last episode,
<40E4FA53.7542476D@worldnet.att.net>,
the lovely and talented Roy Jose Lorr
broadcast on alt.atheism:
"Ron Baker, Pluralitas!" wrote:
"MichaëlM" <monzo@free.fr> wrote in message
news:40e3527f$0$29377$626a14ce@news.free.fr...
Ron Baker, Pluralitas! a écrit :
"MichaëlM" <monzo@free.fr> wrote in message
news:40e2f809$0$29379$626a14ce@news.free.fr...
Ron Baker, Pluralitas! a écrit :
how Israel is the most open and tolerant society in a part of the
world
where people want to destroy them just because of who they are.
Instead
you'll just propogate negative stereotypes and equate self-defense
with
murder.
What negative stereotype is he propogating?
That Israel is a theocracy (sic) and devil. Can't blame all Israeli for
what moron Sharon do.
Clayton's complaint explicitly refers to the *government* of Israel.
But it still not a theocracy.
Identity cards indicate the 'religion' of the holder.
In a Jewish country
Exactly. You say it is a "Jewish country." That is
exactly the point. It is a theocracy.
The U.S. was considered an xian
country...
So early as the Treaty of Tripoli (which being ratified is the
fundamental law of the land on par with the Constitution) the
United States declared it was not a Christian nation.
Produce the wording or a verifiable citation.
Since when does ratification of a treaty make it part
of the Constitution??
Where
is the declaration of the State of Israel that it is not a
Jewish State?
Why should a Jewish State declare it is not a Jewish State?
was it a theocracy?
theocracy
\The*oc"ra*cy\, n.
1. Government of a state by the immediate direction or
administration of God; hence, the exercise of political
authority by priests as representing the Deity.
Source: Webster's Revised Unabridged Dictionary, © 1996, 1998 MICRA, I
--
Rev. Lars Eighner, ULC, Atheist #1965 http://www.io.com/~eighner
Another mail order minister... lol
--
The last stage of
utopian sentimentalism
is homicidal mania.
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02 Jul 2004 11:26:23 AM |
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In our last episode, <40E58284.4141ECAA@worldnet.att.net>, the lovely
and talented Roy Jose Lorr broadcast on alt.atheism:
Lars Eighner wrote:
So early as the Treaty of Tripoli (which being ratified is the
fundamental law of the land on par with the Constitution) the
United States declared it was not a Christian nation.
Produce the wording or a verifiable citation.
Treaty of Peace and Friendship, Signed at Tripoli November 4, 1796
ARTICLE 11.
As the government of the United States of America is not in any sense
founded on the Christian Religion,-as it has in itself no character of
enmity against the laws, religion or tranquility of Musselmen,-and as
the said States never have entered into any war or act of hostility
against any Mehomitan nation, it is declared by the parties that no
pretext arising from religious opinions shall ever produce an
interruption of the harmony existing between the two countries.
Source:
Treaties and Other International Acts of the United States of America.
Edited by Hunter Miller
Volume 2
Documents 1-40 : 1776-1818
Washington : Government Printing Office, 1931.
USMARC Cataloging Record
Since when does ratification of a treaty make it part
of the Constitution??
It doesn't make the treaty part of the Constitution. I never said
such a thing. It does make it fundamental law on par with the
Constitution, for so says the Constitution itself:
Constitution of The United States
Article VI:
This Constitution, and the Laws of the United States which shall be
made in Pursuance thereof; and all Treaties made, or which shall be
made, under the Authority of the United States, shall be the
supreme Law of the Land; and the Judges in every State shall be
bound thereby, any Thing in the Constitution or Laws of any State
to the Contrary notwithstanding.
Where is the declaration of the State of Israel that it is not a
Jewish State?
Why should a Jewish State declare it is not a Jewish State?
If it is in fact a Jewish state and if religious courts determine
who is a Jew and if those who are not do not enjoy the equal protection
of the law, then it is a theocracy and it is not a democratic republic.
--
Rev. Lars Eighner, ULC, Atheist #1965 http://www.io.com/~eighner
"I hope I never get so old I get religious." --Ingmar Bergman
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| User: "Roy Jose Lorr" |
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02 Jul 2004 07:04:34 PM |
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Lars Eighner wrote:
In our last episode, <40E58284.4141ECAA@worldnet.att.net>, the lovely
and talented Roy Jose Lorr broadcast on alt.atheism:
Lars Eighner wrote:
So early as the Treaty of Tripoli (which being ratified is the
fundamental law of the land on par with the Constitution) the
United States declared it was not a Christian nation.
Produce the wording or a verifiable citation.
Treaty of Peace and Friendship, Signed at Tripoli November 4, 1796
ARTICLE 11.
As the government of the United States of America is not in any sense
founded on the Christian Religion,-as it has in itself no character of
enmity against the laws, religion or tranquility of Musselmen,-and as
the said States never have entered into any war or act of hostility
against any Mehomitan nation, it is declared by the parties that no
pretext arising from religious opinions shall ever produce an
interruption of the harmony existing between the two countries.
I didn't say the U.S. was an xian country, I said it was considered as such.
Is that silly treaty still on the books? Treaties are broken all the time.
In fact that ridiculous "Treaty of Peace and Friendship, Signed at Tripoli
November 4, 1796 has been broke before and is being broken again
as we speak. Expedience is the name of the Treaty game.
Source:
Treaties and Other International Acts of the United States of America.
Edited by Hunter Miller
Volume 2
Documents 1-40 : 1776-1818
Washington : Government Printing Office, 1931.
USMARC Cataloging Record
Since when does ratification of a treaty make it part
of the Constitution??
It doesn't make the treaty part of the Constitution. I never said
such a thing. It does make it fundamental law on par with the
Constitution, for so says the Constitution itself:
Treaties that can be broken at the drop of a hat are on par
with the Constitution? Apparently you have little regard for
the Constitution.
Constitution of The United States
Article VI:
This Constitution, and the Laws of the United States which shall be
made in Pursuance thereof; and all Treaties made, or which shall be
made, under the Authority of the United States, shall be the
supreme Law of the Land; and the Judges in every State shall be
bound thereby, any Thing in the Constitution or Laws of any State
to the Contrary notwithstanding.
Yep, treaties are the law of the land until broken.
Where is the declaration of the State of Israel that it is not a
Jewish State?
Why should a Jewish State declare it is not a Jewish State?
If it is in fact a Jewish state and if religious courts determine
who is a Jew and if those who are not do not enjoy the equal protection
of the law, then it is a theocracy and it is not a democratic republic.
All citizens of Israel enjoy equal protection of the law.
--
The last stage of
utopian sentimentalism
is homicidal mania.
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| User: "Lars Eighner" |
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02 Jul 2004 08:25:15 PM |
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In our last episode,
<40E5F858.F5864249@worldnet.att.net>,
the lovely and talented Roy Jose Lorr
broadcast on alt.atheism:
All citizens of Israel enjoy equal protection of the law.
Where in the world do you get that crap? Here's a hint:
when some people are forbidden to buy land in certain areas,
that denies them the equal protection of the laws.
--
Rev. Lars Eighner, ULC, Atheist #1965 http://www.io.com/~eighner
"I hope I never get so old I get religious." --Ingmar Bergman
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| User: "Roy Jose Lorr" |
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02 Jul 2004 08:37:07 PM |
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Lars Eighner wrote:
In our last episode,
<40E5F858.F5864249@worldnet.att.net>,
the lovely and talented Roy Jose Lorr
broadcast on alt.atheism:
All citizens of Israel enjoy equal protection of the law.
Where in the world do you get that crap? Here's a hint:
when some people are forbidden to buy land in certain areas,
that denies them the equal protection of the laws.
Explain?... who, what, where, when, how.
--
The last stage of
utopian sentimentalism
is homicidal mania.
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| User: "Nivlem" |
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03 Jul 2004 12:59:44 PM |
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Roy Jose Lorr wrote:
Lars Eighner wrote:
In our last episode,
<40E5F858.F5864249@worldnet.att.net>,
the lovely and talented Roy Jose Lorr
broadcast on alt.atheism:
All citizens of Israel enjoy equal protection of the law.
Where in the world do you get that crap? Here's a hint:
when some people are forbidden to buy land in certain areas,
that denies them the equal protection of the laws.
Explain?... who, what, where, when, how.
--
Well, you see, there is this group of people known as Isreali Arabs, who
do have something of a second-class citizenship status.
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04 Jul 2004 12:15:23 AM |
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Nivlem wrote:
Roy Jose Lorr wrote:
Lars Eighner wrote:
In our last episode,
<40E5F858.F5864249@worldnet.att.net>,
the lovely and talented Roy Jose Lorr
broadcast on alt.atheism:
All citizens of Israel enjoy equal protection of the law.
Where in the world do you get that crap? Here's a hint:
when some people are forbidden to buy land in certain areas,
that denies them the equal protection of the laws.
Explain?... who, what, where, when, how.
--
Well, you see, there is this group of people known as Isreali Arabs, who
do have something of a second-class citizenship status.
Explain?... who, what, where, when, how.
--
The last stage of
utopian sentimentalism
is homicidal mania.
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| User: "Riain Y. Barton" |
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04 Jul 2004 12:30:20 AM |
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Not TRUE!
"Nivlem" <mlml@svn.net> wrote in message news:40E6F410.8000407@svn.net...
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| >>the lovely and talented Roy Jose Lorr
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| >>>All citizens of Israel enjoy equal protection of the law.
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| >>Where in the world do you get that crap? Here's a hint:
| >>when some people are forbidden to buy land in certain areas,
| >>that denies them the equal protection of the laws.
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| >Explain?... who, what, where, when, how.
| >--
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| Well, you see, there is this group of people known as Isreali Arabs, who
| do have something of a second-class citizenship status.
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| User: "NO.23: Stirfried Clayton In Black Bean Sauce" |
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30 Jun 2004 11:48:37 PM |
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"MichaëlM" <monzo@free.fr> wrote in message
news:40e3527f$0$29377$626a14ce@news.free.fr...
Ron Baker, Pluralitas! a écrit :
"MichaëlM" <monzo@free.fr> wrote in message
news:40e2f809$0$29379$626a14ce@news.free.fr...
Ron Baker, Pluralitas! a écrit :
how Israel is the most open and tolerant society in a part of the
world
where people want to destroy them just because of who they are.
Instead
you'll just propogate negative stereotypes and equate self-defense
with
murder.
What negative stereotype is he propogating?
That Israel is a theocracy (sic) and devil. Can't blame all Israeli for
what moron Sharon do.
Clayton's complaint explicitly refers to the *government* of Israel.
But it still not a theocracy.
My apologies. I wasn't actually being literal but figurative. I should
have taken time to polish my post up, but I rushed it.
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| User: "Roy Jose Lorr" |
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02 Jul 2004 12:52:54 AM |
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"NO.23: Stirfried Clayton In Black Bean Sauce" wrote:
"MichaëlM" <monzo@free.fr> wrote in message
news:40e3527f$0$29377$626a14ce@news.free.fr...
Ron Baker, Pluralitas! a écrit :
"MichaëlM" <monzo@free.fr> wrote in message
news:40e2f809$0$29379$626a14ce@news.free.fr...
Ron Baker, Pluralitas! a écrit :
how Israel is the most open and tolerant society in a part of the
world
where people want to destroy them just because of who they are.
Instead
you'll just propogate negative stereotypes and equate self-defense
with
murder.
What negative stereotype is he propogating?
That Israel is a theocracy (sic) and devil. Can't blame all Israeli for
what moron Sharon do.
Clayton's complaint explicitly refers to the *government* of Israel.
But it still not a theocracy.
My apologies. I wasn't actually being literal but figurative.
Its not a figurative theocracy either.
I should
have taken time to polish my post up, but I rushed it.
Try again.
--
The last stage of
utopian sentimentalism
is homicidal mania.
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01 Jul 2004 10:42:21 PM |
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"MichaëlM" <monzo@free.fr> wrote in message
news:40e2f809$0$29379$626a14ce@news.free.fr...
Ron Baker, Pluralitas! a écrit :
how Israel is the most open and tolerant society in a part of the world
where people want to destroy them just because of who they are. Instead
you'll just propogate negative stereotypes and equate self-defense with
murder.
What negative stereotype is he propogating?
That Israel is a theocracy (sic) and devil. Can't blame all Israeli for
what moron Sharon do.
Each individual is not totally responsible for the
actions of their political leaders but they do bare
at least some responsibility.
A moral person must oppose immorality.
Ultimately the consequences
fall on the little people.
As we say in the US: ***** rolls down hill.
--
RB
aa#2187
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| User: "Roy Jose Lorr" |
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02 Jul 2004 01:25:31 AM |
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"Ron Baker, Pluralitas!" wrote:
"MichaëlM" <monzo@free.fr> wrote in message
news:40e2f809$0$29379$626a14ce@news.free.fr...
Ron Baker, Pluralitas! a écrit :
how Israel is the most open and tolerant society in a part of the world
where people want to destroy them just because of who they are. Instead
you'll just propogate negative stereotypes and equate self-defense with
murder.
What negative stereotype is he propogating?
That Israel is a theocracy (sic) and devil. Can't blame all Israeli for
what moron Sharon do.
Each individual is not totally responsible for the
actions of their political leaders but they do bare
at least some responsibility.
And which responsibility might that be?
A moral person must oppose immorality.
Immorality is not defending yourself against a mortal enemy.
Ultimately the consequences
fall on the little people.
And those consequences are?
As we say in the US: ***** rolls down hill.
Grab onto something.
--
The last stage of
utopian sentimentalism
is homicidal mania.
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| User: "Ron Baker, Pluralitas!" |
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02 Jul 2004 11:59:07 PM |
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"Roy Jose Lorr" <mosestorah@worldnet.att.net> wrote in message
news:40E50021.E1BF9C74@worldnet.att.net...
"Ron Baker, Pluralitas!" wrote:
"MichaëlM" <monzo@free.fr> wrote in message
news:40e2f809$0$29379$626a14ce@news.free.fr...
Ron Baker, Pluralitas! a écrit :
how Israel is the most open and tolerant society in a part of the
world
where people want to destroy them just because of who they are.
Instead
you'll just propogate negative stereotypes and equate self-defense
with
murder.
What negative stereotype is he propogating?
That Israel is a theocracy (sic) and devil. Can't blame all Israeli
for
what moron Sharon do.
Each individual is not totally responsible for the
actions of their political leaders but they do bare
at least some responsibility.
And which responsibility might that be?
A moral person must oppose immorality.
Immorality is not defending yourself against a mortal enemy.
Equivocation. Red herring.
You invent a self-serving, tit-for-tat, two-wrongs-
make-a-right 'morality'.
Ultimately the consequences
fall on the little people.
And those consequences are?
As we say in the US: ***** rolls down hill.
Grab onto something.
--
The last stage of
utopian sentimentalism
is homicidal mania.
--
RB
aa#2187
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| User: "Roy Jose Lorr" |
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| Title: Re: Is atheism anti-semitic? |
04 Jul 2004 12:15:02 AM |
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"Ron Baker, Pluralitas!" wrote:
"Roy Jose Lorr" <mosestorah@worldnet.att.net> wrote in message
news:40E50021.E1BF9C74@worldnet.att.net...
"Ron Baker, Pluralitas!" wrote:
"MichaëlM" <monzo@free.fr> wrote in message
news:40e2f809$0$29379$626a14ce@news.free.fr...
Ron Baker, Pluralitas! a écrit :
how Israel is the most open and tolerant society in a part of the
world
where people want to destroy them just because of who they are.
Instead
you'll just propogate negative stereotypes and equate self-defense
with
murder.
What negative stereotype is he propogating?
That Israel is a theocracy (sic) and devil. Can't blame all Israeli
for
what moron Sharon do.
Each individual is not totally responsible for the
actions of their political leaders but they do bare
at least some responsibility.
And which responsibility might that be?
What?... no answer?
A moral person must oppose immorality.
Immorality is not defending yourself against a mortal enemy.
Equivocation. Red herring.
You invent a self-serving, tit-for-tat, two-wrongs-
make-a-right 'morality'.
No red herring. You made an assertion, I responded with
an example.
Ultimately the consequences
fall on the little people.
And those consequences are?
What?... no answer?
As we say in the US: ***** rolls down hill.
Grab onto something.
--
The last stage of
utopian sentimentalism
is homicidal mania.
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| User: "Hypatia Kosh" |
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| Title: Re: Is atheism anti-semitic? |
01 Jul 2004 04:16:01 PM |
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MichaëlM <monzo@free.fr> wrote in message news:<40e2f809$0$29379$626a14ce@news.free.fr>...
Ron Baker, Pluralitas! a écrit :
how Israel is the most open and tolerant society in a part of the world
where people want to destroy them just because of who they are. Instead
you'll just propogate negative stereotypes and equate self-defense with
murder.
What negative stereotype is he propogating?
That Israel is a theocracy (sic) and devil. Can't blame all Israeli for
what moron Sharon do.
Ariel Sharon, unlike his enabler Dubya, is not a moron. He is a war
criminal.
Israel is a republican democracy, not a theocracy, and for Clayton to
make such a charge is just silly.
However, to defend Israel by pointing out that it's better than the
theocracies and dictatorships that surround it, is like praising
Twinkies because they're more wholesome than rotten apples. Israel's
free society isn't much consolation if you're an unemployed
Palestinian being harrassed daily by the Israeli military and
encroached by fanatical--and yes, they are fanatical--settlers.
Probably Clayton called Israel a theocracy because there are people in
Israel who believe that Israel is Canaan and that God gave it to the
Jewish people, and therefore everybody else--including Palestinians,
whose families have lived there for thousands of years--had better
leave. If they don't leave, the nutjobs have decided that they can
just kill them, like great Jewish hero Joshua. Joshua, if he were
alive today, would be considered more vile than Slobodon Milosevic. I
consider the West Bank settlers to be likewise vile. They have no
right to encroach upon other people's land, and to harass, humiliate,
and kill the inhabitants.
Oh my, the shock, the Palestinians start fighting back when they're
under a systematic campaign by certain Israelis to wipe them out! And
the Chechens--I mean, how _could they attack the Russians (who have an
army trying to kill all of them, root and branch)! Oh, those nasty
Tamil tigers, what did the Indonesian government ever do to them?
Those filthy trash Irish, if only they'd been content to be starve to
death quietly in their own country and rid the world of their papist
depravity.
-Hypatia
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| User: "Susan Cohen" |
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| Title: Re: Is atheism anti-semitic? |
02 Jul 2004 03:10:30 AM |
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"Hypatia Kosh" <berli@lycos.com> wrote in message
news:fb1e5579.0407011316.3b9fd990@posting.google.com...
Oh my, the shock, the Palestinians start fighting back
No, they started fighting, period.
*Israel* is fighting BACK.
when they're
under a systematic campaign by certain Israelis to wipe them out!
This is, of course, a complete lie.
With all the capabilities that people like you like to whine about, if this
were Israel's goal, she'd've done it GENERATIONS ago.
As it is, the Palestinian population has increased geometrically.
Either Israel is the world's most incompentent "genociders" or you are not
only wrong, but ignorant.
Susan
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