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Religions > Atheism |
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"Ron Baker, Pluralitas!" |
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29 Jun 2004 11:21:43 PM |
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Is atheism anti-semitic? |
Is atheism anti-semitic?
As a member of a minority persecuted on religious
grounds, I am sensitive to other's beliefs.
I am all for freedom of thought.
I don't care what you believe about deities
as long as you believe in equal rights and
the equality of human kind.
The problem is that most religions (Buddhism
perhaps being an acception) contain claims of
unique moral or divine status of their adherents.
That is bigotry.
I enjoy skewering those who would claim
such status, regardless of their religion.
If one challenges the posed unique moral or divine
status of a group one can expect reprobration.
If one levels the challenge at Judaism, a charge
of anti-semitism seems assured.
What is anti-semitism?
Is challenging the tenets of Judaism
anti-semitic?
Is anti-semitism racism?
Is atheistic disbelief in the tenets of
Judaism anti-semitic?
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RB
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| User: "Hypatia Kosh" |
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| Title: Re: Is atheism anti-semitic? |
02 Jul 2004 02:13:23 PM |
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"Susan Cohen" <flaviaR@verizon.net> wrote in message news:<WL8Fc.26652$DT5.11802@nwrddc03.gnilink.net>...
"Hypatia Kosh" <berli@lycos.com> wrote in message
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Oh my, the shock, the Palestinians start fighting back
No, they started fighting, period.
*Israel* is fighting BACK.
Only if you shift the definition of "they" to conveniently fit
whatever time period we're talking about.
when they're
under a systematic campaign by certain Israelis to wipe them out!
This is, of course, a complete lie.
Maybe you should pay more attention to what the fanatical nutjob West
Bank settlers are saying.
With all the capabilities that people like you like to whine about, if this
were Israel's goal, she'd've done it GENERATIONS ago.
I didn't say it was Israel's goal, I said it was the goal of certain
Zionist fanatics. (By "Zionist fanatics" I mean people who believe
that GAWD gave them EVERY INCH of Canaan, therefore all heathens must
leave.)
As it is, the Palestinian population has increased geometrically.
Birthrates are high throughout the Middle East. Young people begin to
outnumber older people. So?
Either Israel is the world's most incompentent "genociders" or you are not
only wrong, but ignorant.
I blame the state of Israel for its complicity in what's going on, but
I do not claim any sort of collective or official intent. (Sharon
himself is another matter.) However, what goes for the goose also goes
for the gander. Israel is no more a special case than any other
country. Genocidal attempts are typically driven by a few fanatics,
but allowed to pass by the silent majority, who either adopt a "see no
evil, hear no evil, speak no evil" approach (like, say, Americans when
you bring up dirty wars in Central Americans, or the Japanese w/r/t
the Rape of Nanjing) or tacitly approve of what's going on even as
they shy away from the implications. I mean, doesn't everyone want
their side to win? Doesn't anyone forget that the other side are human
beings as soon as the bombs start going off?
-Hypatia
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| User: "Roy Jose Lorr" |
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| Title: Re: Is atheism anti-semitic? |
02 Jul 2004 07:35:15 PM |
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Hypatia Kosh wrote:
I blame the state of Israel for its complicity in what's going on, but
I do not claim any sort of collective or official intent.
I suppose Israel is run by some phantom gov't. it didn't elect... lol
Genocidal attempts are typically driven by a few fanatics
The only genocides planned are those authorized and ordered
in the "holy koran".
--
The last stage of
utopian sentimentalism
is homicidal mania.
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| User: "Susan Cohen" |
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| Title: Re: Is atheism anti-semitic? |
02 Jul 2004 03:08:24 AM |
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"Hypatia Kosh" <berli@lycos.com> wrote in message
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MichaëlM <monzo@free.fr> wrote in message
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Ron Baker, Pluralitas! a écrit :
how Israel is the most open and tolerant society in a part of the
world
where people want to destroy them just because of who they are.
Instead
you'll just propogate negative stereotypes and equate self-defense
with
murder.
What negative stereotype is he propogating?
That Israel is a theocracy (sic) and devil. Can't blame all Israeli for
what moron Sharon do.
Ariel Sharon, unlike his enabler Dubya, is not a moron. He is a war
criminal.
Not that can ever be proven.
Israel is a republican democracy, not a theocracy, and for Clayton to
make such a charge is just silly.
However, to defend Israel by pointing out that it's better than the
theocracies and dictatorships that surround it, is like praising
Twinkies because they're more wholesome than rotten apples.
WHich is why people who know the truth don;t have to do that.
Israel's
free society isn't much consolation if you're an unemployed
Palestinian being harrassed daily by the Israeli military and
encroached by fanatical--and yes, they are fanatical--settlers.
Yeah, let's just abolish all the checkpoints because it's so cruel to the
poor Palestinians.
After all, it's only Jews, & not just Israelis, that are being killed.
good grief.
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| User: "Hypatia Kosh" |
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| Title: Re: Is atheism anti-semitic? |
02 Jul 2004 02:03:27 PM |
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"Susan Cohen" <flaviaR@verizon.net> wrote in message news:<YJ8Fc.26651$DT5.5408@nwrddc03.gnilink.net>...
"Hypatia Kosh" <berli@lycos.com> wrote in message
news:fb1e5579.0407011316.3b9fd990@posting.google.com...
MichaëlM <monzo@free.fr> wrote in message
news:<40e2f809$0$29379$626a14ce@news.free.fr>...
Ron Baker, Pluralitas! a écrit :
how Israel is the most open and tolerant society in a part of the
world
where people want to destroy them just because of who they are.
Instead
you'll just propogate negative stereotypes and equate self-defense
with
murder.
What negative stereotype is he propogating?
That Israel is a theocracy (sic) and devil. Can't blame all Israeli for
what moron Sharon do.
Ariel Sharon, unlike his enabler Dubya, is not a moron. He is a war
criminal.
Not that can ever be proven.
Israel is a republican democracy, not a theocracy, and for Clayton to
make such a charge is just silly.
However, to defend Israel by pointing out that it's better than the
theocracies and dictatorships that surround it, is like praising
Twinkies because they're more wholesome than rotten apples.
WHich is why people who know the truth don;t have to do that.
Israel's
free society isn't much consolation if you're an unemployed
Palestinian being harrassed daily by the Israeli military and
encroached by fanatical--and yes, they are fanatical--settlers.
Yeah, let's just abolish all the checkpoints because it's so cruel to the
poor Palestinians.
After all, it's only Jews, & not just Israelis, that are being killed.
I never said Israel should abolish security checkpoints. Plenty of
nutters are trying to kills Israelis every day--reasonable security
measures are warranted.
Bringing in bulldozers to destroy villages because supposedly
somebody's son from that village is a terrorist is NOT a reasonable
security measure. Not only is it a violation of due process and human
rights, but it can be plausibly said that such tactics BREED
terrorism.
Stopping terrorists and illicit weapons at the border stops crime.
Attacking an already marginalized group with high unemployment and
nowhere to go^1 only undermines rule of, and respect for, the law.
1--"They can just go to other Arab countries" is a myth. Palestinians
did attempt to flee Israel in great numbers and they were turned away
by their "arab brothers".
-Hy
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| User: "Roy Jose Lorr" |
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| Title: Re: Is atheism anti-semitic? |
02 Jul 2004 01:20:41 AM |
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Hypatia Kosh wrote:
MichaëlM <monzo@free.fr> wrote in message news:<40e2f809$0$29379$626a14ce@news.free.fr>...
Ron Baker, Pluralitas! a écrit :
how Israel is the most open and tolerant society in a part of the world
where people want to destroy them just because of who they are. Instead
you'll just propogate negative stereotypes and equate self-defense with
murder.
What negative stereotype is he propogating?
That Israel is a theocracy (sic) and devil. Can't blame all Israeli for
what moron Sharon do.
Ariel Sharon, unlike his enabler Dubya, is not a moron. He is a war
criminal.
Israel is a republican democracy, not a theocracy, and for Clayton to
make such a charge is just silly.
However, to defend Israel by pointing out that it's better than the
theocracies and dictatorships that surround it, is like praising
Twinkies because they're more wholesome than rotten apples. Israel's
free society isn't much consolation if you're an unemployed
Palestinian being harrassed daily by the Israeli military and
encroached by fanatical--and yes, they are fanatical--settlers.
Arabs under Israeli rule are free to leave for any one of the 22 countries
that Arabs control What the hell keeps them in a State that they feel is
mistreating them. Could it be that they know that they're treated better
by the Israelis than they'd be by the Arabs of any of the 22 Arab States
they'd choose to emigrate to?
--
The last stage of
utopian sentimentalism
is homicidal mania.
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| User: "Lars Eighner" |
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| Title: Re: Is atheism anti-semitic? |
02 Jul 2004 03:46:24 AM |
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In our last episode,
<40E4FEFF.180F17E9@worldnet.att.net>,
the lovely and talented Roy Jose Lorr
broadcast on alt.atheism:
Hypatia Kosh wrote:
MichaëlM <monzo@free.fr> wrote in message news:<40e2f809$0$29379$626a14ce@news.free.fr>...
Ron Baker, Pluralitas! a écrit :
how Israel is the most open and tolerant society in a part of the world
where people want to destroy them just because of who they are. Instead
you'll just propogate negative stereotypes and equate self-defense with
murder.
What negative stereotype is he propogating?
That Israel is a theocracy (sic) and devil. Can't blame all Israeli for
what moron Sharon do.
Ariel Sharon, unlike his enabler Dubya, is not a moron. He is a war
criminal.
Israel is a republican democracy, not a theocracy, and for Clayton to
make such a charge is just silly.
However, to defend Israel by pointing out that it's better than the
theocracies and dictatorships that surround it, is like praising
Twinkies because they're more wholesome than rotten apples. Israel's
free society isn't much consolation if you're an unemployed
Palestinian being harrassed daily by the Israeli military and
encroached by fanatical--and yes, they are fanatical--settlers.
Arabs under Israeli rule are free to leave for any one of the 22 countries
that Arabs control What the hell keeps them in a State that they feel is
mistreating them.
Because it is their homeland.
--
Rev. Lars Eighner, ULC, Atheist #1965 http://www.io.com/~eighner
"I hope I never get so old I get religious." --Ingmar Bergman
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| User: "Roy Jose Lorr" |
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| Title: Re: Is atheism anti-semitic? |
02 Jul 2004 09:27:45 AM |
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Lars Eighner wrote:
In our last episode,
<40E4FEFF.180F17E9@worldnet.att.net>,
the lovely and talented Roy Jose Lorr
broadcast on alt.atheism:
Hypatia Kosh wrote:
MichaëlM <monzo@free.fr> wrote in message news:<40e2f809$0$29379$626a14ce@news.free.fr>...
Ron Baker, Pluralitas! a écrit :
how Israel is the most open and tolerant society in a part of the world
where people want to destroy them just because of who they are. Instead
you'll just propogate negative stereotypes and equate self-defense with
murder.
What negative stereotype is he propogating?
That Israel is a theocracy (sic) and devil. Can't blame all Israeli for
what moron Sharon do.
Ariel Sharon, unlike his enabler Dubya, is not a moron. He is a war
criminal.
Israel is a republican democracy, not a theocracy, and for Clayton to
make such a charge is just silly.
However, to defend Israel by pointing out that it's better than the
theocracies and dictatorships that surround it, is like praising
Twinkies because they're more wholesome than rotten apples. Israel's
free society isn't much consolation if you're an unemployed
Palestinian being harrassed daily by the Israeli military and
encroached by fanatical--and yes, they are fanatical--settlers.
Arabs under Israeli rule are free to leave for any one of the 22 countries
that Arabs control What the hell keeps them in a State that they feel is
mistreating them.
Because it is their homeland.
Bull.
--
The last stage of
utopian sentimentalism
is homicidal mania.
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| User: "Lars Eighner" |
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02 Jul 2004 09:49:23 AM |
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In our last episode,
<40E57128.2491372B@worldnet.att.net>,
the lovely and talented Roy Jose Lorr
broadcast on alt.atheism:
Lars Eighner wrote:
In our last episode,
<40E4FEFF.180F17E9@worldnet.att.net>,
the lovely and talented Roy Jose Lorr
broadcast on alt.atheism:
Hypatia Kosh wrote:
MichaëlM <monzo@free.fr> wrote in message news:<40e2f809$0$29379$626a14ce@news.free.fr>...
Ron Baker, Pluralitas! a écrit :
how Israel is the most open and tolerant society in a part of the world
where people want to destroy them just because of who they are. Instead
you'll just propogate negative stereotypes and equate self-defense with
murder.
What negative stereotype is he propogating?
That Israel is a theocracy (sic) and devil. Can't blame all Israeli for
what moron Sharon do.
Ariel Sharon, unlike his enabler Dubya, is not a moron. He is a war
criminal.
Israel is a republican democracy, not a theocracy, and for Clayton to
make such a charge is just silly.
However, to defend Israel by pointing out that it's better than the
theocracies and dictatorships that surround it, is like praising
Twinkies because they're more wholesome than rotten apples. Israel's
free society isn't much consolation if you're an unemployed
Palestinian being harrassed daily by the Israeli military and
encroached by fanatical--and yes, they are fanatical--settlers.
Arabs under Israeli rule are free to leave for any one of the 22 countries
that Arabs control What the hell keeps them in a State that they feel is
mistreating them.
Because it is their homeland.
Bull.
Bull yourself.
It did not cease to be the homeland of the Palestinian people (including
Arabs, Jews, Christians, and others) when a bunch of Europeans moved in.
--
Rev. Lars Eighner, ULC, Atheist #1965 http://www.io.com/~eighner
"I hope I never get so old I get religious." --Ingmar Bergman
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| User: "Roy Jose Lorr" |
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| Title: Re: Is atheism anti-semitic? |
02 Jul 2004 10:51:27 AM |
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Lars Eighner wrote:
In our last episode,
<40E57128.2491372B@worldnet.att.net>,
the lovely and talented Roy Jose Lorr
broadcast on alt.atheism:
Lars Eighner wrote:
In our last episode,
<40E4FEFF.180F17E9@worldnet.att.net>,
the lovely and talented Roy Jose Lorr
broadcast on alt.atheism:
Hypatia Kosh wrote:
MichaëlM <monzo@free.fr> wrote in message news:<40e2f809$0$29379$626a14ce@news.free.fr>...
Ron Baker, Pluralitas! a écrit :
how Israel is the most open and tolerant society in a part of the world
where people want to destroy them just because of who they are. Instead
you'll just propogate negative stereotypes and equate self-defense with
murder.
What negative stereotype is he propogating?
That Israel is a theocracy (sic) and devil. Can't blame all Israeli for
what moron Sharon do.
Ariel Sharon, unlike his enabler Dubya, is not a moron. He is a war
criminal.
Israel is a republican democracy, not a theocracy, and for Clayton to
make such a charge is just silly.
However, to defend Israel by pointing out that it's better than the
theocracies and dictatorships that surround it, is like praising
Twinkies because they're more wholesome than rotten apples. Israel's
free society isn't much consolation if you're an unemployed
Palestinian being harrassed daily by the Israeli military and
encroached by fanatical--and yes, they are fanatical--settlers.
Arabs under Israeli rule are free to leave for any one of the 22 countries
that Arabs control What the hell keeps them in a State that they feel is
mistreating them.
Because it is their homeland.
Bull.
Bull yourself.
It did not cease to be the homeland of the Palestinian people (including
Arabs, Jews, Christians, and others) when a bunch of Europeans moved in.
The people who possess the land own it and decide whose homeland it is.
Should Jews who were evicted from all the Arab lands they lived in for
centuries return to those lands and claim them for themselves with violence
if necessary? Should the Jewish State aid them to that end?
--
The last stage of
utopian sentimentalism
is homicidal mania.
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| User: "Lars Eighner" |
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02 Jul 2004 11:00:54 AM |
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In our last episode, <40E584C5.D4F39835@worldnet.att.net>, the lovely
and talented Roy Jose Lorr broadcast on alt.atheism:
The people who possess the land own it and decide whose homeland it is.
That is what you say now. But evidently when the Palestinians possessed
the land that principle was not recognized.
--
Rev. Lars Eighner, ULC, Atheist #1965 http://www.io.com/~eighner
"I hope I never get so old I get religious." --Ingmar Bergman
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| User: "Roy Jose Lorr" |
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| Title: Re: Is atheism anti-semitic? |
02 Jul 2004 11:25:34 AM |
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Lars Eighner wrote:
In our last episode, <40E584C5.D4F39835@worldnet.att.net>, the lovely
and talented Roy Jose Lorr broadcast on alt.atheism:
The people who possess the land own it and decide whose homeland it is.
That is what you say now. But evidently when the Palestinians possessed
the land that principle was not recognized.
1. There are no "Palestinians".
2. The last indigenous people possessing the land were Jews.
--
The last stage of
utopian sentimentalism
is homicidal mania.
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| User: "Lars Eighner" |
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| Title: Re: Is atheism anti-semitic? |
02 Jul 2004 11:30:05 AM |
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In our last episode,
<40E58CC4.847C60FB@worldnet.att.net>,
the lovely and talented Roy Jose Lorr
broadcast on alt.atheism:
Lars Eighner wrote:
In our last episode, <40E584C5.D4F39835@worldnet.att.net>, the lovely
and talented Roy Jose Lorr broadcast on alt.atheism:
The people who possess the land own it and decide whose homeland it is.
That is what you say now. But evidently when the Palestinians possessed
the land that principle was not recognized.
1. There are no "Palestinians".
*****.
2. The last indigenous people possessing the land were Jews.
The Palestinians are the indigenous people. Of course many of
their ancestors were, at one time, Jews, and many Palestinians
are yet Jews.
--
Rev. Lars Eighner, ULC, Atheist #1965 http://www.io.com/~eighner
"I hope I never get so old I get religious." --Ingmar Bergman
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| User: "Roy Jose Lorr" |
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| Title: Re: Is atheism anti-semitic? |
02 Jul 2004 07:19:38 PM |
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Lars Eighner wrote:
In our last episode,
<40E58CC4.847C60FB@worldnet.att.net>,
the lovely and talented Roy Jose Lorr
broadcast on alt.atheism:
Lars Eighner wrote:
In our last episode, <40E584C5.D4F39835@worldnet.att.net>, the lovely
and talented Roy Jose Lorr broadcast on alt.atheism:
The people who possess the land own it and decide whose homeland it is.
That is what you say now. But evidently when the Palestinians possessed
the land that principle was not recognized.
1. There are no "Palestinians".
*****.
You wish.
2. The last indigenous people possessing the land were Jews.
The Palestinians are the indigenous people. Of course many of
their ancestors were, at one time, Jews, and many Palestinians
are yet Jews.
There are no Palestinians. Assume there were at some remote
time in history ancestors of the Arabs who now live in Israel
proper or the lands occupied by the Jewish State. When did
these illustrious ancestors prior to the advent of mooslemania
possess, own, or rule these lands.
--
The last stage of
utopian sentimentalism
is homicidal mania.
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| User: "Lars Eighner" |
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| Title: Re: Is atheism anti-semitic? |
02 Jul 2004 08:26:30 PM |
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In our last episode,
<40E5FBE1.245F78C9@worldnet.att.net>,
the lovely and talented Roy Jose Lorr
broadcast on alt.atheism:
Lars Eighner wrote:
In our last episode,
<40E58CC4.847C60FB@worldnet.att.net>,
the lovely and talented Roy Jose Lorr
broadcast on alt.atheism:
Lars Eighner wrote:
In our last episode, <40E584C5.D4F39835@worldnet.att.net>, the lovely
and talented Roy Jose Lorr broadcast on alt.atheism:
The people who possess the land own it and decide whose homeland it is.
That is what you say now. But evidently when the Palestinians possessed
the land that principle was not recognized.
1. There are no "Palestinians".
*****.
You wish.
2. The last indigenous people possessing the land were Jews.
The Palestinians are the indigenous people. Of course many of
their ancestors were, at one time, Jews, and many Palestinians
are yet Jews.
There are no Palestinians.
That is a lie.
Assume there were at some remote
time in history ancestors of the Arabs who now live in Israel
proper or the lands occupied by the Jewish State. When did
these illustrious ancestors prior to the advent of mooslemania
possess, own, or rule these lands.
1947.
--
Rev. Lars Eighner, ULC, Atheist #1965 http://www.io.com/~eighner
"I hope I never get so old I get religious." --Ingmar Bergman
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| User: "Roy Jose Lorr" |
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| Title: Re: Is atheism anti-semitic? |
02 Jul 2004 08:33:56 PM |
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Lars Eighner wrote:
In our last episode,
<40E5FBE1.245F78C9@worldnet.att.net>,
the lovely and talented Roy Jose Lorr
broadcast on alt.atheism:
Lars Eighner wrote:
In our last episode,
<40E58CC4.847C60FB@worldnet.att.net>,
the lovely and talented Roy Jose Lorr
broadcast on alt.atheism:
Lars Eighner wrote:
In our last episode, <40E584C5.D4F39835@worldnet.att.net>, the lovely
and talented Roy Jose Lorr broadcast on alt.atheism:
The people who possess the land own it and decide whose homeland it is.
That is what you say now. But evidently when the Palestinians possessed
the land that principle was not recognized.
1. There are no "Palestinians".
*****.
You wish.
2. The last indigenous people possessing the land were Jews.
The Palestinians are the indigenous people. Of course many of
their ancestors were, at one time, Jews, and many Palestinians
are yet Jews.
There are no Palestinians.
That is a lie.
Assume there were at some remote
time in history ancestors of the Arabs who now live in Israel
proper or the lands occupied by the Jewish State. When did
these illustrious ancestors prior to the advent of mooslemania
possess, own, or rule these lands.
1947.
Is that so? Strange answer since I stipulated 'a time prior to the
advent of moolemania'. Perhaps you'll explain.
--
The last stage of
utopian sentimentalism
is homicidal mania.
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| User: "Riain Y. Barton" |
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| Title: Re: Is atheism anti-semitic? |
02 Jul 2004 04:57:36 PM |
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ROTFLMAO!!!!!!!! LARS THE EEJIT!!!!!!!!!!
"Lars Eighner" <> wrote in message
news:slrnceb37n.bkm.eighner@goodwill.io.com...
| In our last episode,
| <40E58CC4.847C60FB@worldnet.att.net>,
| the lovely and talented Roy Jose Lorr
| broadcast on alt.atheism:
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| > Lars Eighner wrote:
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| >> In our last episode, <40E584C5.D4F39835@worldnet.att.net>, the lovely
| >> and talented Roy Jose Lorr broadcast on alt.atheism:
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| >> > The people who possess the land own it and decide whose homeland it
is.
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| >> That is what you say now. But evidently when the Palestinians
possessed
| >> the land that principle was not recognized.
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| > 1. There are no "Palestinians".
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| *****.
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| > 2. The last indigenous people possessing the land were Jews.
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| The Palestinians are the indigenous people. Of course many of
| their ancestors were, at one time, Jews, and many Palestinians
| are yet Jews.
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| --
| Rev. Lars Eighner, ULC, Atheist #1965
http://www.io.com/~eighner
| "I hope I never get so old I get religious." --Ingmar Bergman
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| User: "Claire Easthope" |
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| Title: Re: Is atheism anti-semitic? |
03 Jul 2004 04:14:25 PM |
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I love it! Everything is centred around God's chosen people :-) It was
reveald to me that Mars is the new promised land thus solving the
Arab-Israeli question!
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| User: "Sheldon Liberman" |
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03 Jul 2004 10:39:32 PM |
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"Claire Easthope" <Claire.Easthope@ntlworld.com> wrote in message
news:RkFFc.831$Wo6.534@newsfe6-gui.ntli.net...
I love it! Everything is centred around God's chosen people :-) It was
reveald to me that Mars is the new promised land thus solving the
Arab-Israeli question!
Right up until the Jews started cultivating the land and start growing
oranges that look like basketball, at which time the Arabs would show up and
claim that they were there first.
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| User: "Franco Napoli" |
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| Title: Re: Is atheism anti-semitic? |
04 Jul 2004 11:39:47 AM |
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Sheldon Honey, the jews were still looking for the promise land. Moses was
lost in the desert. He forgot his GPS.while he was speaking to God.
Franco
"Sheldon Liberman" <webmaster@liberman.com> wrote in message
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I love it! Everything is centred around God's chosen people :-) It was
reveald to me that Mars is the new promised land thus solving the
Arab-Israeli question!
Right up until the Jews started cultivating the land and start growing
oranges that look like basketball, at which time the Arabs would show up
and
claim that they were there first.
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Sheldon Honey,
Sorry, I don't welcome platitudes from lower species.
the jews were still looking for the promise land. Moses was
lost in the desert. He forgot his GPS.while he was speaking to God.
....and yet still devolving....
Franco
"Sheldon Liberman" <webmaster@liberman.com> wrote in message
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"Claire Easthope" <Claire.Easthope@ntlworld.com> wrote in message
news:RkFFc.831$Wo6.534@newsfe6-gui.ntli.net...
I love it! Everything is centred around God's chosen people :-) It was
reveald to me that Mars is the new promised land thus solving the
Arab-Israeli question!
Right up until the Jews started cultivating the land and start growing
oranges that look like basketball, at which time the Arabs would show up
and
claim that they were there first.
.
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04 Jul 2004 01:48:50 PM |
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"Sheldon Liberman" <webmaster@liberman.com> wrote in message
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"Franco Napoli" <codeman@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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Sheldon Honey,
Sorry, I don't welcome platitudes from lower species.
Hey, Franco - I think that says it all about Sheldon's superiority complex
and his Nazi outlook...
the jews were still looking for the promise land. Moses was
lost in the desert. He forgot his GPS.while he was speaking to God.
...and yet still devolving....
Franco
"Sheldon Liberman" <webmaster@liberman.com> wrote in message
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"Claire Easthope" <Claire.Easthope@ntlworld.com> wrote in message
news:RkFFc.831$Wo6.534@newsfe6-gui.ntli.net...
I love it! Everything is centred around God's chosen people :-) It
was
reveald to me that Mars is the new promised land thus solving the
Arab-Israeli question!
Right up until the Jews started cultivating the land and start growing
oranges that look like basketball, at which time the Arabs would show
up
and
claim that they were there first.
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04 Jul 2004 02:14:48 PM |
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"Sheldon Liberman" <webmaster@liberman.com> wrote in message
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"Franco Napoli" <codeman@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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Sheldon Honey,
Sorry, I don't welcome platitudes from lower species.
Hey, Franco - I think that says it all about Sheldon's superiority complex
and his Nazi outlook...
I guess, therefore, that you don't feel superior to, say, baboons. Well,
finally, some truth from you.
the jews were still looking for the promise land. Moses was
lost in the desert. He forgot his GPS.while he was speaking to God.
...and yet still devolving....
Franco
"Sheldon Liberman" <webmaster@liberman.com> wrote in message
news:eXKFc.199768$207.2410103@news20.bellglobal.com...
"Claire Easthope" <Claire.Easthope@ntlworld.com> wrote in message
news:RkFFc.831$Wo6.534@newsfe6-gui.ntli.net...
I love it! Everything is centred around God's chosen people :-) It
was
reveald to me that Mars is the new promised land thus solving the
Arab-Israeli question!
Right up until the Jews started cultivating the land and start
growing
oranges that look like basketball, at which time the Arabs would
show
up
and
claim that they were there first.
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05 Jul 2004 06:25:18 AM |
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Hey, Franco - I think that says it all about Sheldon's superiority
complex
and his Nazi outlook...
I guess, therefore, that you don't feel superior to, say, baboons. Well,
finally, some truth from you.
OOOOOH, _cutting_! (not).
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"RacingFan" <RacingFan*and*no*S*P*A*M@btconnect.com> wrote in message
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Hey, Franco - I think that says it all about Sheldon's superiority
complex
and his Nazi outlook...
I guess, therefore, that you don't feel superior to, say, baboons. Well,
finally, some truth from you.
OOOOOH, _cutting_! (not).
You'd would feel insulted were you, in fact, superior to the baboon.
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I was just wondering, could anybbody present the case
against Areiel sharon in charges of war crimes/ crimess against humanity?
Would you consider Yassir Arafat the Palestinian leader as war criminal
as well?
Regards,
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YOELK
berli@lycos.com (Hypatia Kosh) wrote in message news:<fb1e5579.0407011316.3b9fd990@posting.google.com>...
MichaëlM <monzo@free.fr> wrote in message news:<40e2f809$0$29379$626a14ce@news.free.fr>...
Ron Baker, Pluralitas! a écrit :
how Israel is the most open and tolerant society in a part of the world
where people want to destroy them just because of who they are. Instead
you'll just propogate negative stereotypes and equate self-defense with
murder.
What negative stereotype is he propogating?
That Israel is a theocracy (sic) and devil. Can't blame all Israeli for
what moron Sharon do.
Ariel Sharon, unlike his enabler Dubya, is not a moron. He is a war
criminal.
Israel is a republican democracy, not a theocracy, and for Clayton to
make such a charge is just silly.
However, to defend Israel by pointing out that it's better than the
theocracies and dictatorships that surround it, is like praising
Twinkies because they're more wholesome than rotten apples. Israel's
free society isn't much consolation if you're an unemployed
Palestinian being harrassed daily by the Israeli military and
encroached by fanatical--and yes, they are fanatical--settlers.
Probably Clayton called Israel a theocracy because there are people in
Israel who believe that Israel is Canaan and that God gave it to the
Jewish people, and therefore everybody else--including Palestinians,
whose families have lived there for thousands of years--had better
leave. If they don't leave, the nutjobs have decided that they can
just kill them, like great Jewish hero Joshua. Joshua, if he were
alive today, would be considered more vile than Slobodon Milosevic. I
consider the West Bank settlers to be likewise vile. They have no
right to encroach upon other people's land, and to harass, humiliate,
and kill the inhabitants.
Oh my, the shock, the Palestinians start fighting back when they're
under a systematic campaign by certain Israelis to wipe them out! And
the Chechens--I mean, how _could they attack the Russians (who have an
army trying to kill all of them, root and branch)! Oh, those nasty
Tamil tigers, what did the Indonesian government ever do to them?
Those filthy trash Irish, if only they'd been content to be starve to
death quietly in their own country and rid the world of their papist
depravity.
-Hypatia
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| User: "Hypatia Kosh" |
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02 Jul 2004 02:29:42 PM |
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(YOELK) wrote in message news:<28891102.0407020315.389b6a97@posting.google.com>...
berli@lycos.com (Hypatia Kosh) wrote in message news:<fb1e5579.0407011316.3b9fd990@posting.google.com>...
MichaëlM <monzo@free.fr> wrote in message news:<40e2f809$0$29379$626a14ce@news.free.fr>...
Ron Baker, Pluralitas! a écrit :
how Israel is the most open and tolerant society in a part of the world
where people want to destroy them just because of who they are. Instead
you'll just propogate negative stereotypes and equate self-defense with
murder.
What negative stereotype is he propogating?
That Israel is a theocracy (sic) and devil. Can't blame all Israeli for
what moron Sharon do.
Ariel Sharon, unlike his enabler Dubya, is not a moron. He is a war
criminal.
Israel is a republican democracy, not a theocracy, and for Clayton to
make such a charge is just silly.
However, to defend Israel by pointing out that it's better than the
theocracies and dictatorships that surround it, is like praising
Twinkies because they're more wholesome than rotten apples. Israel's
free society isn't much consolation if you're an unemployed
Palestinian being harrassed daily by the Israeli military and
encroached by fanatical--and yes, they are fanatical--settlers.
Probably Clayton called Israel a theocracy because there are people in
Israel who believe that Israel is Canaan and that God gave it to the
Jewish people, and therefore everybody else--including Palestinians,
whose families have lived there for thousands of years--had better
leave. If they don't leave, the nutjobs have decided that they can
just kill them, like great Jewish hero Joshua. Joshua, if he were
alive today, would be considered more vile than Slobodon Milosevic. I
consider the West Bank settlers to be likewise vile. They have no
right to encroach upon other people's land, and to harass, humiliate,
and kill the inhabitants.
Oh my, the shock, the Palestinians start fighting back when they're
under a systematic campaign by certain Israelis to wipe them out! And
the Chechens--I mean, how _could they attack the Russians (who have an
army trying to kill all of them, root and branch)! Oh, those nasty
Tamil tigers, what did the Indonesian government ever do to them?
Those filthy trash Irish, if only they'd been content to be starve to
death quietly in their own country and rid the world of their papist
depravity.
I was just wondering, could anybbody present the case
against Areiel sharon in charges of war crimes/ crimess against humanity?
http://www.indictsharon.net/
Would you consider Yassir Arafat the Palestinian leader as war criminal
as well?
To the extent that he ordered attacks against innocent civilians,
absolutely.
I personally don't doubt that Arafat wanted what was best for his
people, but, like certain Americans I know, he chose a stupid and
self-defeating way to try to get it. Terrorism is like the child in
the kindergarten classroom who acts out to get attention. Sure, it
works--to get attention. Unfortunately you don't get anything else you
want; in fact, you'll probably get punished.
Both the Palestinians and the Israelis have been answering violence
with more violence, in the mistaken belief that this will "intimidate"
or "wake up" the other side, or somehow sway the "reasonable
moderates" (not! it just radicalizes them!). But in the end, all the
violence gets them is more people dead.
Certain members of the US Cabinet could learn a thing or two from
this.
-Hypatia
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02 Jul 2004 11:13:13 PM |
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(Hypatia Kosh) wrote in message news:<fb1e5579.0407021129.6dd3cb75@posting.google.com>...
jkrup@shani.net (YOELK) wrote in message news:<28891102.0407020315.389b6a97@posting.google.com>...
(Hypatia Kosh) wrote in message news:<fb1e5579.0407011316.3b9fd990@posting.google.com>...
MichaëlM <monzo@free.fr> wrote in message news:<40e2f809$0$29379$626a14ce@news.free.fr>...
Ron Baker, Pluralitas! a écrit :
how Israel is the most open and tolerant society in a part of the world
where people want to destroy them just because of who they are. Instead
you'll just propogate negative stereotypes and equate self-defense with
murder.
What negative stereotype is he propogating?
That Israel is a theocracy (sic) and devil. Can't blame all Israeli for
what moron Sharon do.
Ariel Sharon, unlike his enabler Dubya, is not a moron. He is a war
criminal.
Israel is a republican democracy, not a theocracy, and for Clayton to
make such a charge is just silly.
However, to defend Israel by pointing out that it's better than the
theocracies and dictatorships that surround it, is like praising
Twinkies because they're more wholesome than rotten apples. Israel's
free society isn't much consolation if you're an unemployed
Palestinian being harrassed daily by the Israeli military and
encroached by fanatical--and yes, they are fanatical--settlers.
Probably Clayton called Israel a theocracy because there are people in
Israel who believe that Israel is Canaan and that God gave it to the
Jewish people, and therefore everybody else--including Palestinians,
whose families have lived there for thousands of years--had better
leave. If they don't leave, the nutjobs have decided that they can
just kill them, like great Jewish hero Joshua. Joshua, if he were
alive today, would be considered more vile than Slobodon Milosevic. I
consider the West Bank settlers to be likewise vile. They have no
right to encroach upon other people's land, and to harass, humiliate,
and kill the inhabitants.
Oh my, the shock, the Palestinians start fighting back when they're
under a systematic campaign by certain Israelis to wipe them out! And
the Chechens--I mean, how _could they attack the Russians (who have an
army trying to kill all of them, root and branch)! Oh, those nasty
Tamil tigers, what did the Indonesian government ever do to them?
Those filthy trash Irish, if only they'd been content to be starve to
death quietly in their own country and rid the world of their papist
depravity.
I was just wondering, could anybbody present the case
against Areiel sharon in charges of war crimes/ crimess against humanity?
http://www.indictsharon.net/
Would you consider Yassir Arafat the Palestinian leader as war criminal
as well?
To the extent that he ordered attacks against innocent civilians,
absolutely.
I personally don't doubt that Arafat wanted what was best for his
people, but, like certain Americans I know, he chose a stupid and
self-defeating way to try to get it. Terrorism is like the child in
the kindergarten classroom who acts out to get attention. Sure, it
works--to get attention. Unfortunately you don't get anything else you
want; in fact, you'll probably get punished.
Both the Palestinians and the Israelis have been answering violence
with more violence, in the mistaken belief that this will "intimidate"
or "wake up" the other side, or somehow sway the "reasonable
moderates" (not! it just radicalizes them!). But in the end, all the
violence gets them is more people dead.
Certain members of the US Cabinet could learn a thing or two from
this.
-Hypatia
The problem how to achieve peace and end violance, as between Israeli
and Palestinians, is not an easy one. A lot of work was done on this
direction
and yet no satisfactory solution was found.
I know there are people who side with a "solution" of eliminating one
side
of the conflict or the other. This can be achieved only with
devastating price of human lives, to the contrary of the good
intentions of all who abhor violence and want this to end.
The problem , no it seems, extends beyond lack of goodwill. There are
great differences between the aspirations of the two sides to the
conflict,
that were not resolved so far. Violence did not errupt in vaccum, just
like that.
Regardinng war crimes of Sharon, AFAIK Sabra and Shatila are not a
clear case
against Sharon. The massacre there was detestable and horrible .But
was it done
with the knowledge of Sharon or with his aproval? Did he wanted it to
happen?
Was it a matter of crime or a negligence on behalf of Sharon?
If these questions are not an issue for you then you should also put
on trial for crimes against humanity the former leaders and commanders
of Nato in the time of Serbrenica massacre when they gathered
thousands of Muslim
refugees, not allowing them to escape from Serbrenica and then did
nothing
when Serbes murdered thousands in days - just to keep their hands
clean.
Or even lets put the UN chairman Kofi Annan for his role of letting
the Genocide in Rwanda go on undisturbed without any intervention of
the international community.
But it is easier to condemn The Jewish Sharon then to condemn Kofi
Annan,
or politicians and generals from Europe or even US.
As was stated here - Dubya is just a dumb, but Sharon is a war
criminal.
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YOELK
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| User: "Riain Y. Barton" |
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| Title: Re: Is atheism anti-semitic? |
02 Jul 2004 04:59:03 PM |
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Except he never ordered any military attacks on civilians you idiot!
"Hypatia Kosh" <> wrote in message
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| (YOELK) wrote in message
news:<28891102.0407020315.389b6a97@posting.google.com>...
| > (Hypatia Kosh) wrote in message
news:<fb1e5579.0407011316.3b9fd990@posting.google.com>...
| > > MichaëlM <monzo@free.fr> wrote in message
news:<40e2f809$0$29379$626a14ce@news.free.fr>...
| > > > Ron Baker, Pluralitas! a écrit :
| > > >
| > > > >>how Israel is the most open and tolerant society in a part of the
world
| > > > >>where people want to destroy them just because of who they are.
Instead
| > > > >>you'll just propogate negative stereotypes and equate self-defense
with
| > > > >>murder.
| > > > >
| > > > >
| > > > > What negative stereotype is he propogating?
| > > >
| > > > That Israel is a theocracy (sic) and devil. Can't blame all Israeli
for
| > > > what moron Sharon do.
| > >
| > > Ariel Sharon, unlike his enabler Dubya, is not a moron. He is a war
| > > criminal.
| > >
| > > Israel is a republican democracy, not a theocracy, and for Clayton to
| > > make such a charge is just silly.
| > >
| > > However, to defend Israel by pointing out that it's better than the
| > > theocracies and dictatorships that surround it, is like praising
| > > Twinkies because they're more wholesome than rotten apples. Israel's
| > > free society isn't much consolation if you're an unemployed
| > > Palestinian being harrassed daily by the Israeli military and
| > > encroached by fanatical--and yes, they are fanatical--settlers.
| > >
| > > Probably Clayton called Israel a theocracy because there are people in
| > > Israel who believe that Israel is Canaan and that God gave it to the
| > > Jewish people, and therefore everybody else--including Palestinians,
| > > whose families have lived there for thousands of years--had better
| > > leave. If they don't leave, the nutjobs have decided that they can
| > > just kill them, like great Jewish hero Joshua. Joshua, if he were
| > > alive today, would be considered more vile than Slobodon Milosevic. I
| > > consider the West Bank settlers to be likewise vile. They have no
| > > right to encroach upon other people's land, and to harass, humiliate,
| > > and kill the inhabitants.
| > >
| > > Oh my, the shock, the Palestinians start fighting back when they're
| > > under a systematic campaign by certain Israelis to wipe them out! And
| > > the Chechens--I mean, how _could they attack the Russians (who have an
| > > army trying to kill all of them, root and branch)! Oh, those nasty
| > > Tamil tigers, what did the Indonesian government ever do to them?
| > > Those filthy trash Irish, if only they'd been content to be starve to
| > > death quietly in their own country and rid the world of their papist
| > > depravity.
| > >
| > I was just wondering, could anybbody present the case
| > against Areiel sharon in charges of war crimes/ crimess against
humanity?
|
| http://www.indictsharon.net/
|
| > Would you consider Yassir Arafat the Palestinian leader as war criminal
| > as well?
|
| To the extent that he ordered attacks against innocent civilians,
| absolutely.
|
| I personally don't doubt that Arafat wanted what was best for his
| people, but, like certain Americans I know, he chose a stupid and
| self-defeating way to try to get it. Terrorism is like the child in
| the kindergarten classroom who acts out to get attention. Sure, it
| works--to get attention. Unfortunately you don't get anything else you
| want; in fact, you'll probably get punished.
|
| Both the Palestinians and the Israelis have been answering violence
| with more violence, in the mistaken belief that this will "intimidate"
| or "wake up" the other side, or somehow sway the "reasonable
| moderates" (not! it just radicalizes them!). But in the end, all the
| violence gets them is more people dead.
|
| Certain members of the US Cabinet could learn a thing or two from
| this.
|
| -Hypatia
.
|
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| User: "YOELK" |
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| Title: Re: Is atheism anti-semitic? |
02 Jul 2004 11:18:34 PM |
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Who? Sharon? Arafat?
-----
YOELK
"Riain Y. Barton" <riain802@earthlink.net> wrote in message news:<HUkFc.2868$R36.1618@newsread2.news.pas.earthlink.net>...
Except he never ordered any military attacks on civilians you idiot!
"Hypatia Kosh" < > wrote in message
news:fb1e5579.0407021129.6dd3cb75@posting.google.com...
| (YOELK) wrote in message
news:<28891102.0407020315.389b6a97@posting.google.com>...
| > (Hypatia Kosh) wrote in message
news:<fb1e5579.0407011316.3b9fd990@posting.google.com>...
| > > MichaëlM <monzo@free.fr> wrote in message
news:<40e2f809$0$29379$626a14ce@news.free.fr>...
| > > > Ron Baker, Pluralitas! a écrit :
| > > >
| > > > >>how Israel is the most open and tolerant society in a part of the
world
| > > > >>where people want to destroy them just because of who they are.
Instead
| > > > >>you'll just propogate negative stereotypes and equate self-defense
with
| > > > >>murder.
| > > > >
| > > > >
| > > > > What negative stereotype is he propogating?
| > > >
| > > > That Israel is a theocracy (sic) and devil. Can't blame all Israeli
for
| > > > what moron Sharon do.
| > >
| > > Ariel Sharon, unlike his enabler Dubya, is not a moron. He is a war
| > > criminal.
| > >
| > > Israel is a republican democracy, not a theocracy, and for Clayton to
| > > make such a charge is just silly.
| > >
| > > However, to defend Israel by pointing out that it's better than the
| > > theocracies and dictatorships that surround it, is like praising
| > > Twinkies because they're more wholesome than rotten apples. Israel's
| > > free society isn't much consolation if you're an unemployed
| > > Palestinian being harrassed daily by the Israeli military and
| > > encroached by fanatical--and yes, they are fanatical--settlers.
| > >
| > > Probably Clayton called Israel a theocracy because there are people in
| > > Israel who believe that Israel is Canaan and that God gave it to the
| > > Jewish people, and therefore everybody else--including Palestinians,
| > > whose families have lived there for thousands of years--had better
| > > leave. If they don't leave, the nutjobs have decided that they can
| > > just kill them, like great Jewish hero Joshua. Joshua, if he were
| > > alive today, would be considered more vile than Slobodon Milosevic. I
| > > consider the West Bank settlers to be likewise vile. They have no
| > > right to encroach upon other people's land, and to harass, humiliate,
| > > and kill the inhabitants.
| > >
| > > Oh my, the shock, the Palestinians start fighting back when they're
| > > under a systematic campaign by certain Israelis to wipe them out! And
| > > the Chechens--I mean, how _could they attack the Russians (who have an
| > > army trying to kill all of them, root and branch)! Oh, those nasty
| > > Tamil tigers, what did the Indonesian government ever do to them?
| > > Those filthy trash Irish, if only they'd been content to be starve to
| > > death quietly in their own country and rid the world of their papist
| > > depravity.
| > >
| > I was just wondering, could anybbody present the case
| > against Areiel sharon in charges of war crimes/ crimess against
humanity?
|
| http://www.indictsharon.net/
|
| > Would you consider Yassir Arafat the Palestinian leader as war criminal
| > as well?
|
| To the extent that he ordered attacks against innocent civilians,
| absolutely.
|
| I personally don't doubt that Arafat wanted what was best for his
| people, but, like certain Americans I know, he chose a stupid and
| self-defeating way to try to get it. Terrorism is like the child in
| the kindergarten classroom who acts out to get attention. Sure, it
| works--to get attention. Unfortunately you don't get anything else you
| want; in fact, you'll probably get punished.
|
| Both the Palestinians and the Israelis have been answering violence
| with more violence, in the mistaken belief that this will "intimidate"
| or "wake up" the other side, or somehow sway the "reasonable
| moderates" (not! it just radicalizes them!). But in the end, all the
| violence gets them is more people dead.
|
| Certain members of the US Cabinet could learn a thing or two from
| this.
|
| -Hypatia
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| User: "YOELK" |
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| Title: Re: Is atheism anti-semitic? |
03 Jul 2004 03:45:07 PM |
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Yassir Arafat had ordered many terror operations against civilians,
either by specifically supervising an operation (such as the
kidnapping
of the cruis ship Achile Lauro) or by leading an organisation that
had declared the terrorism as its tool. Arafat also ordered murdering
of
political opponents who disagreed with his ways.
Recently ,dosens of palestinians were executed without a trial after
being accused of collaborating with Israeli armed forced, under
Arafat's
rule.
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YOELK
"Riain Y. Barton" <riain802@earthlink.net> wrote in message news:<HUkFc.2868$R36.1618@newsread2.news.pas.earthlink.net>...
Except he never ordered any military attacks on civilians you idiot!
"Hypatia Kosh" < > wrote in message
news:fb1e5579.0407021129.6dd3cb75@posting.google.com...
| (YOELK) wrote in message
news:<28891102.0407020315.389b6a97@posting.google.com>...
| > (Hypatia Kosh) wrote in message
news:<fb1e5579.0407011316.3b9fd990@posting.google.com>...
| > > MichaëlM <monzo@free.fr> wrote in message
news:<40e2f809$0$29379$626a14ce@news.free.fr>...
| > > > Ron Baker, Pluralitas! a écrit :
| > > >
| > > > >>how Israel is the most open and tolerant society in a part of the
world
| > > > >>where people want to destroy them just because of who they are.
Instead
| > > > >>you'll just propogate negative stereotypes and equate self-defense
with
| > > > >>murder.
| > > > >
| > > > >
| > > > > What negative stereotype is he propogating?
| > > >
| > > > That Israel is a theocracy (sic) and devil. Can't blame all Israeli
for
| > > > what moron Sharon do.
| > >
| > > Ariel Sharon, unlike his enabler Dubya, is not a moron. He is a war
| > > criminal.
| > >
| > > Israel is a republican democracy, not a theocracy, and for Clayton to
| > > make such a charge is just silly.
| > >
| > > However, to defend Israel by pointing out that it's better than the
| > > theocracies and dictatorships that surround it, is like praising
| > > Twinkies because they're more wholesome than rotten apples. Israel's
| > > free society isn't much consolation if you're an unemployed
| > > Palestinian being harrassed daily by the Israeli military and
| > > encroached by fanatical--and yes, they are fanatical--settlers.
| > >
| > > Probably Clayton called Israel a theocracy because there are people in
| > > Israel who believe that Israel is Canaan and that God gave it to the
| > > Jewish people, and therefore everybody else--including Palestinians,
| > > whose families have lived there for thousands of years--had better
| > > leave. If they don't leave, the nutjobs have decided that they can
| > > just kill them, like great Jewish hero Joshua. Joshua, if he were
| > > alive today, would be considered more vile than Slobodon Milosevic. I
| > > consider the West Bank settlers to be likewise vile. They have no
| > > right to encroach upon other people's land, and to harass, humiliate,
| > > and kill the inhabitants.
| > >
| > > Oh my, the shock, the Palestinians start fighting back when they're
| > > under a systematic campaign by certain Israelis to wipe them out! And
| > > the Chechens--I mean, how _could they attack the Russians (who have an
| > > army trying to kill all of them, root and branch)! Oh, those nasty
| > > Tamil tigers, what did the Indonesian government ever do to them?
| > > Those filthy trash Irish, if only they'd been content to be starve to
| > > death quietly in their own country and rid the world of their papist
| > > depravity.
| > >
| > I was just wondering, could anybbody present the case
| > against Areiel sharon in charges of war crimes/ crimess against
humanity?
|
| http://www.indictsharon.net/
|
| > Would you consider Yassir Arafat the Palestinian leader as war criminal
| > as well?
|
| To the extent that he ordered attacks against innocent civilians,
| absolutely.
|
| I personally don't doubt that Arafat wanted what was best for his
| people, but, like certain Americans I know, he chose a stupid and
| self-defeating way to try to get it. Terrorism is like the child in
| the kindergarten classroom who acts out to get attention. Sure, it
| works--to get attention. Unfortunately you don't get anything else you
| want; in fact, you'll probably get punished.
|
| Both the Palestinians and the Israelis have been answering violence
| with more violence, in the mistaken belief that this will "intimidate"
| or "wake up" the other side, or somehow sway the "reasonable
| moderates" (not! it just radicalizes them!). But in the end, all the
| violence gets them is more people dead.
|
| Certain members of the US Cabinet could learn a thing or two from
| this.
|
| -Hypatia
.
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