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"Ron Baker, Pluralitas!" |
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29 Jun 2004 11:21:43 PM |
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Is atheism anti-semitic? |
Is atheism anti-semitic?
As a member of a minority persecuted on religious
grounds, I am sensitive to other's beliefs.
I am all for freedom of thought.
I don't care what you believe about deities
as long as you believe in equal rights and
the equality of human kind.
The problem is that most religions (Buddhism
perhaps being an acception) contain claims of
unique moral or divine status of their adherents.
That is bigotry.
I enjoy skewering those who would claim
such status, regardless of their religion.
If one challenges the posed unique moral or divine
status of a group one can expect reprobration.
If one levels the challenge at Judaism, a charge
of anti-semitism seems assured.
What is anti-semitism?
Is challenging the tenets of Judaism
anti-semitic?
Is anti-semitism racism?
Is atheistic disbelief in the tenets of
Judaism anti-semitic?
--
RB
aa#2187
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| User: "Enkidu" |
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| Title: Re: Is atheism anti-semitic? |
03 Jul 2004 04:13:15 PM |
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In article <28891102.0407031245.522e7dee@posting.google.com>,
jkrup@shani.net says...
Yassir Arafat had ordered many terror operations against civilians,
either by specifically supervising an operation (such as the
kidnapping
of the cruis ship Achile Lauro) or by leading an organisation that
had declared the terrorism as its tool. Arafat also ordered murdering
of
political opponents who disagreed with his ways.
Recently ,dosens of palestinians were executed without a trial after
being accused of collaborating with Israeli armed forced, under
Arafat's
rule.
And this differs from the Israeli government's approach in what way?
Other than delivery method, I mean. The Palestinians deliver explosives
in person, while the Israelis use helicopter launched rockets. Each
side kills women and children indiscriminantly. Each side launches a
new attack in retaliation for the most recent attack against them, an
attack that was in retaliation for an attack they launched in
retaliation, and so on.
--
Enkidu - AA# 2165
EAC Plant Psychologist
"Today, the theory of evolution is an accepted fact for
everyone but a fundamentalist minority, whose objections
are based not on reasoning but on doctrinaire adherence
to religious principles"
James D. Watson
http://www.nobel.se/medicine/laureates/1962/watson-bio.html
"The Astonishing Hypothesis is that `You,' your joys and
your sorrows, your memories and your ambitions, your
sense of personal identity and free will, are in fact no
more than the behavior of a vast assembly of nerve cells
and their associated molecules."
Francis Crick
http://www.nobel.se/medicine/laureates/1962/crick-bio.html
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| User: "YOELK" |
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| Title: Re: Is atheism anti-semitic? |
04 Jul 2004 08:14:55 PM |
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Enkidu <enkidu@leaddogs.org> wrote in message news:<MPG.1b50c145218ff9f09898af@news.west.cox.net>...
In article <28891102.0407031245.522e7dee@posting.google.com>,
jkrup@shani.net says...
Yassir Arafat had ordered many terror operations against civilians,
either by specifically supervising an operation (such as the
kidnapping
of the cruis ship Achile Lauro) or by leading an organisation that
had declared the terrorism as its tool. Arafat also ordered murdering
of
political opponents who disagreed with his ways.
Recently ,dosens of palestinians were executed without a trial after
being accused of collaborating with Israeli armed forced, under
Arafat's
rule.
And this differs from the Israeli government's approach in what way?
Other than delivery method, I mean. The Palestinians deliver explosives
in person, while the Israelis use helicopter launched rockets. Each
side kills women and children indiscriminantly. Each side launches a
new attack in retaliation for the most recent attack against them, an
attack that was in retaliation for an attack they launched in
retaliation, and so on.
--
Enkidu - AA# 2165
EAC Plant Psychologist
Are there differences between Israeli governmant and Palestinian
aproach?
I think there are differences, although I don't know how meaningfull
would you consider them.
Lets start from the bottom line, innocent people are killed due to
Israeli
army operatios. There are women, children and men who are not involved
in the violence, but are victims of it.
Does the Israeli army deliberately kill innocent? No.
Does Israeli army knows that innocent may be killed or injured during
its operation? Yes. I could say that sometimes Israeli army knows with
certainity
that innocent poeple would e killed. But in most cases, when there is
such certainity the operations are not carried out but cancelled.
Many times the lives of Israeli soldiers are risked, in order to
capture
militants, instead of just blowing the house with everyone in it,
from the air or from far away.
There actions of Israel that harm the palestinian population,
like curfews, road blocks, demolishing of houses, etc...
All of these were intensified since the last wave of violence started.
I am not saying that Israel is treating the palestinians fairly.
But this isn't the same as blowing innocent poeple at a shop
or a restaurant, or a bus. Maybe you will find that the actions of
Palestinians are justified, but then you are using the term 'war
crimes'
only in reference to Isaeli actions in a one sided aproach, nulling
the true
meaning of the term.
-----
YOELK
"Today, the theory of evolution is an accepted fact for
everyone but a fundamentalist minority, whose objections
are based not on reasoning but on doctrinaire adherence
to religious principles"
James D. Watson
http://www.nobel.se/medicine/laureates/1962/watson-bio.html
"The Astonishing Hypothesis is that `You,' your joys and
your sorrows, your memories and your ambitions, your
sense of personal identity and free will, are in fact no
more than the behavior of a vast assembly of nerve cells
and their associated molecules."
Francis Crick
http://www.nobel.se/medicine/laureates/1962/crick-bio.html
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| User: "Susan Cohen" |
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| Title: Re: Is atheism anti-semitic? |
05 Jul 2004 03:21:15 PM |
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"YOELK" <jkrup@shani.net> wrote in message
news:28891102.0407041714.eb6f297@posting.google.com...
There actions of Israel that harm the palestinian population,
like curfews, road blocks, demolishing of houses, etc...
All of these were intensified since the last wave of violence started.
I am not saying that Israel is treating the palestinians fairly.
I would have to say that any action taken in direct consequence of terrorist
actions that doesn't even begin to approach the US answer to terrorism is
quite "fair."
Susan
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| User: "Enkidu" |
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| Title: Re: Is atheism anti-semitic? |
05 Jul 2004 12:11:09 AM |
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In article <28891102.0407041714.eb6f297@posting.google.com>,
jkrup@shani.net says...
Enkidu <enkidu@leaddogs.org> wrote in message news:<MPG.1b50c145218ff9f09898af@news.west.cox.net>...
In article <28891102.0407031245.522e7dee@posting.google.com>,
jkrup@shani.net says...
Yassir Arafat had ordered many terror operations against civilians,
either by specifically supervising an operation (such as the
kidnapping
of the cruis ship Achile Lauro) or by leading an organisation that
had declared the terrorism as its tool. Arafat also ordered murdering
of
political opponents who disagreed with his ways.
Recently ,dosens of palestinians were executed without a trial after
being accused of collaborating with Israeli armed forced, under
Arafat's
rule.
And this differs from the Israeli government's approach in what way?
Other than delivery method, I mean. The Palestinians deliver explosives
in person, while the Israelis use helicopter launched rockets. Each
side kills women and children indiscriminantly. Each side launches a
new attack in retaliation for the most recent attack against them, an
attack that was in retaliation for an attack they launched in
retaliation, and so on.
Are there differences between Israeli governmant and Palestinian
aproach?
I think there are differences, although I don't know how meaningfull
would you consider them.
Lets start from the bottom line, innocent people are killed due to
Israeli
army operatios. There are women, children and men who are not involved
in the violence, but are victims of it.
Does the Israeli army deliberately kill innocent? No.
Does Israeli army knows that innocent may be killed or injured during
its operation? Yes. I could say that sometimes Israeli army knows with
certainity
that innocent poeple would e killed. But in most cases, when there is
such certainity the operations are not carried out but cancelled.
Many times the lives of Israeli soldiers are risked, in order to
capture
militants, instead of just blowing the house with everyone in it,
from the air or from far away.
Rockets fired into apartments in an attempt to kill one man are certain
to kill anyone in the apartment, and likely to kill those in adjacent
apartments. Yet the IDF launches such attacks regularly.
There actions of Israel that harm the palestinian population,
like curfews, road blocks, demolishing of houses, etc...
All of these were intensified since the last wave of violence started.
I am not saying that Israel is treating the palestinians fairly.
Of course they aren't. It's a brutal occupation. The Palestinians are
brutal in return. Each side it using whatever comes to hand to strike
out at the other.
But this isn't the same as blowing innocent poeple at a shop
or a restaurant, or a bus. Maybe you will find that the actions of
Palestinians are justified, but then you are using the term 'war
crimes'
only in reference to Isaeli actions in a one sided aproach, nulling
the true
meaning of the term.
No, it is not. Palestinians also aim for military targets. Tell me,
when a Palestinian takes out four soldiers at a check point, is he a
terrorist? When a weapons officer launches a missile into an apartment
block, missing his target but killing children and women, is he a
terrorist?
Who backs away from the strike-counter strike first? Why not the
Palestinians? Why not the Israelis? Somebody needs to.
--
Enkidu - AA# 2165
EAC Plant Psychologist
"Today, the theory of evolution is an accepted fact for
everyone but a fundamentalist minority, whose objections
are based not on reasoning but on doctrinaire adherence
to religious principles"
James D. Watson
http://www.nobel.se/medicine/laureates/1962/watson-bio.html
"The Astonishing Hypothesis is that `You,' your joys and
your sorrows, your memories and your ambitions, your
sense of personal identity and free will, are in fact no
more than the behavior of a vast assembly of nerve cells
and their associated molecules."
Francis Crick
http://www.nobel.se/medicine/laureates/1962/crick-bio.html
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| User: "Fester" |
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| Title: Re: Is atheism anti-semitic? |
05 Jul 2004 06:18:28 AM |
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<snip>
But this isn't the same as blowing innocent poeple at a shop
or a restaurant, or a bus. Maybe you will find that the actions of
Palestinians are justified, but then you are using the term 'war
crimes'
only in reference to Isaeli actions in a one sided aproach, nulling
the true
meaning of the term.
No, it is not. Palestinians also aim for military targets. Tell me,
when a Palestinian takes out four soldiers at a check point, is he a
terrorist? When a weapons officer launches a missile into an apartment
block, missing his target but killing children and women, is he a
terrorist?
Neither of the above actions, constitute terrorism, IMO. However, when a
Palestinian strps explosives to himself and walks on to a bus or into a
restaraunt, he is clearly a terrorist. Israelis don't commit such
atrocities. Furthermore, when a Palestinian "soldier" uses his own populace
for protection ro cover, he is drawing fire on the very people he claims to
by trying to protect. The blood of those "innocents" is on his hands. And
a community of Palestinians who offer cover, encouragement or assistance to
those who wish to commit acts of terror are also terrorists by their
complicity in the acts.
Who backs away from the strike-counter strike first? Why not the
Palestinians? Why not the Israelis? Somebody needs to.
I am glad to see that Israelis are doing their best to find ways to defend
themselves without having to kill those not directly involved in terrorism.
The wall that they are building, in concert with removing settlements from
targeted areas outside of the wall, are a fine example.
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| User: "Susan Cohen" |
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| Title: Re: Is atheism anti-semitic? |
05 Jul 2004 03:30:18 PM |
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"Enkidu" <enkidu@leaddogs.org> wrote in message
news:MPG.1b5282c55e79fb949898c3@news.west.cox.net...
In article <28891102.0407041714.eb6f297@posting.google.com>,
jkrup@shani.net says...
Many times the lives of Israeli soldiers are risked, in order to
capture
militants, instead of just blowing the house with everyone in it,
from the air or from far away.
Rockets fired into apartments in an attempt to kill one man are certain
to kill anyone in the apartment, and likely to kill those in adjacent
apartments.
The minute you come up with a way to get these terrorists to abandon their
human sandbags, tell the IDF.
I'm sure they'll love to hear it. Anything beats waiting TWO YEARS to get
some wanted criminal, while he's killing people all the while.
Yet the IDF launches such attacks regularly.
Not as regularly as
a) risking IDF lives
b) any other nation would deem necessary if they were the ones under attack.
There actions of Israel that harm the palestinian population,
like curfews, road blocks, demolishing of houses, etc...
All of these were intensified since the last wave of violence started.
I am not saying that Israel is treating the palestinians fairly.
Of course they aren't. It's a brutal occupation.
Everything is yellow to your juandiced eyes.
The Palestinians are
brutal in return.
Wrong again.
They started terrorism in the 20's.
So it's not only not Israel's fault, it's hardly "in answer" to the
"occupation."
Each side it using whatever comes to hand to strike
out at the other.
Hardly. or there would be no more Palestinians.
& the PA has refused to try peace, as the Israelis have repeatedly offered,
under self-destructive terms.
But this isn't the same as blowing innocent poeple at a shop
or a restaurant, or a bus. Maybe you will find that the actions of
Palestinians are justified, but then you are using the term 'war
crimes'
only in reference to Isaeli actions in a one sided aproach, nulling
the true
meaning of the term.
No, it is not. Palestinians also aim for military targets.
Very rarely.
Tell me,
when a Palestinian takes out four soldiers at a check point, is he a
terrorist?
When he shows up dressed in civilan clothes hiding a bomb - what do you
think?
When it's a woman who lies to the soldiers, also hiding a bomb, what do you
think?
When a weapons officer launches a missile into an apartment
block, missing his target but killing children and women, is he a
terrorist?
No, he's imaginary.
They've never missed their target.
But the guy wouldn;t be a target in the first pace if he didn't kill
innocent people.
& the others wouldn;t get killed if the terrorists didn't use them as
sandbags.
Equating attacks with attempts to stem attacks is just plain sick.
Susan
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| User: "YOELK" |
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05 Jul 2004 12:45:58 PM |
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Enkidu <enkidu@leaddogs.org> wrote in message news:<MPG.1b5282c55e79fb949898c3@news.west.cox.net>...
In article <28891102.0407041714.eb6f297@posting.google.com>,
jkrup@shani.net says...
Enkidu <enkidu@leaddogs.org> wrote in message news:<MPG.1b50c145218ff9f09898af@news.west.cox.net>...
In article <28891102.0407031245.522e7dee@posting.google.com>,
jkrup@shani.net says...
Yassir Arafat had ordered many terror operations against civilians,
either by specifically supervising an operation (such as the
kidnapping
of the cruis ship Achile Lauro) or by leading an organisation that
had declared the terrorism as its tool. Arafat also ordered murdering
of
political opponents who disagreed with his ways.
Recently ,dosens of palestinians were executed without a trial after
being accused of collaborating with Israeli armed forced, under
Arafat's
rule.
And this differs from the Israeli government's approach in what way?
Other than delivery method, I mean. The Palestinians deliver explosives
in person, while the Israelis use helicopter launched rockets. Each
side kills women and children indiscriminantly. Each side launches a
new attack in retaliation for the most recent attack against them, an
attack that was in retaliation for an attack they launched in
retaliation, and so on.
Are there differences between Israeli governmant and Palestinian
aproach?
I think there are differences, although I don't know how meaningfull
would you consider them.
Lets start from the bottom line, innocent people are killed due to
Israeli
army operatios. There are women, children and men who are not involved
in the violence, but are victims of it.
Does the Israeli army deliberately kill innocent? No.
Does Israeli army knows that innocent may be killed or injured during
its operation? Yes. I could say that sometimes Israeli army knows with
certainity
that innocent poeple would e killed. But in most cases, when there is
such certainity the operations are not carried out but cancelled.
Many times the lives of Israeli soldiers are risked, in order to
capture
militants, instead of just blowing the house with everyone in it,
from the air or from far away.
Rockets fired into apartments in an attempt to kill one man are certain
to kill anyone in the apartment, and likely to kill those in adjacent
apartments. Yet the IDF launches such attacks regularly.
How regular is regularly , every other day? Once a week?
I suppose that this happens but this is not everyday spectacle.
And such operations should get authorisation of the government,
it should not be a local desicion , if that matters at all.
But of course when fire is openned from a specific room in a house
then the soldiers are allowed to return fire at the eact location from
which the fire was openned. If the source of fire is not determined
with certainity, fire should be withheld.
Nevertheless, much more palestinian casualties happened under
the second scenario.
There actions of Israel that harm the palestinian population,
like curfews, road blocks, demolishing of houses, etc...
All of these were intensified since the last wave of violence started.
I am not saying that Israel is treating the palestinians fairly.
Of course they aren't. It's a brutal occupation. The Palestinians are
brutal in return. Each side it using whatever comes to hand to strike
out at the other.
Well, not whatever that comes at hand. There was an escalation during
the last 4 years, but still this isn't a total war.
But this isn't the same as blowing innocent poeple at a shop
or a restaurant, or a bus. Maybe you will find that the actions of
Palestinians are justified, but then you are using the term 'war
crimes'
only in reference to Isaeli actions in a one sided aproach, nulling
the true
meaning of the term.
No, it is not. Palestinians also aim for military targets. Tell me,
when a Palestinian takes out four soldiers at a check point, is he a
terrorist? When a weapons officer launches a missile into an apartment
block, missing his target but killing children and women, is he a
terrorist?
Terrorism is a loaded term, everyone has interpreted it to his own
advantage.
This is why I am speaking about war crimes and crimes against
humanity.
War crimes are pretty well defined,
in contrast to terrorism. For instance - targeting inoccent civilians
is a war
crime. Depriving population food, medicine and basic needs is a war
crime.
Murdering , turturing , depriving food and medical treatment from
captives and POWs is a war crime. Regarding terrorism , there is no
such commonly accepted definition. A terrorist in ones eye can be
considered as a freedom fighter by another.
-----
YOELK
Who backs away from the strike-counter strike first? Why not the
Palestinians? Why not the Israelis? Somebody needs to.
--
Enkidu - AA# 2165
EAC Plant Psychologist
"Today, the theory of evolution is an accepted fact for
everyone but a fundamentalist minority, whose objections
are based not on reasoning but on doctrinaire adherence
to religious principles"
James D. Watson
http://www.nobel.se/medicine/laureates/1962/watson-bio.html
"The Astonishing Hypothesis is that `You,' your joys and
your sorrows, your memories and your ambitions, your
sense of personal identity and free will, are in fact no
more than the behavior of a vast assembly of nerve cells
and their associated molecules."
Francis Crick
http://www.nobel.se/medicine/laureates/1962/crick-bio.html
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| User: "Enkidu" |
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05 Jul 2004 02:19:59 PM |
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In article <28891102.0407050945.3191754e@posting.google.com>,
jkrup@shani.net says...
Enkidu <enkidu@leaddogs.org> wrote in message news:<MPG.1b5282c55e79fb949898c3@news.west.cox.net>...
In article <28891102.0407041714.eb6f297@posting.google.com>,
jkrup@shani.net says...
Enkidu <enkidu@leaddogs.org> wrote in message news:<MPG.1b50c145218ff9f09898af@news.west.cox.net>...
In article <28891102.0407031245.522e7dee@posting.google.com>,
jkrup@shani.net says...
Yassir Arafat had ordered many terror operations against civilians,
either by specifically supervising an operation (such as the
kidnapping
of the cruis ship Achile Lauro) or by leading an organisation that
had declared the terrorism as its tool. Arafat also ordered murdering
of
political opponents who disagreed with his ways.
Recently ,dosens of palestinians were executed without a trial after
being accused of collaborating with Israeli armed forced, under
Arafat's
rule.
And this differs from the Israeli government's approach in what way?
Other than delivery method, I mean. The Palestinians deliver explosives
in person, while the Israelis use helicopter launched rockets. Each
side kills women and children indiscriminantly. Each side launches a
new attack in retaliation for the most recent attack against them, an
attack that was in retaliation for an attack they launched in
retaliation, and so on.
Are there differences between Israeli governmant and Palestinian
aproach?
I think there are differences, although I don't know how meaningfull
would you consider them.
Lets start from the bottom line, innocent people are killed due to
Israeli
army operatios. There are women, children and men who are not involved
in the violence, but are victims of it.
Does the Israeli army deliberately kill innocent? No.
Does Israeli army knows that innocent may be killed or injured during
its operation? Yes. I could say that sometimes Israeli army knows with
certainity
that innocent poeple would e killed. But in most cases, when there is
such certainity the operations are not carried out but cancelled.
Many times the lives of Israeli soldiers are risked, in order to
capture
militants, instead of just blowing the house with everyone in it,
from the air or from far away.
Rockets fired into apartments in an attempt to kill one man are certain
to kill anyone in the apartment, and likely to kill those in adjacent
apartments. Yet the IDF launches such attacks regularly.
How regular is regularly , every other day? Once a week?
I suppose that this happens but this is not everyday spectacle.
And such operations should get authorisation of the government,
it should not be a local desicion , if that matters at all.
It's called assassination. Do the targets deserve to die? That's not
the issue.
But of course when fire is openned from a specific room in a house
then the soldiers are allowed to return fire at the eact location from
which the fire was openned. If the source of fire is not determined
with certainity, fire should be withheld.
Nevertheless, much more palestinian casualties happened under
the second scenario.
I'm talking about assassinations, where many others die as well.
There actions of Israel that harm the palestinian population,
like curfews, road blocks, demolishing of houses, etc...
All of these were intensified since the last wave of violence started.
I am not saying that Israel is treating the palestinians fairly.
Of course they aren't. It's a brutal occupation. The Palestinians are
brutal in return. Each side it using whatever comes to hand to strike
out at the other.
Well, not whatever that comes at hand. There was an escalation during
the last 4 years, but still this isn't a total war.
Palestinian mothers burying their children may disagree. Israeli
mothers burying their children may disagree.
But this isn't the same as blowing innocent poeple at a shop
or a restaurant, or a bus. Maybe you will find that the actions of
Palestinians are justified, but then you are using the term 'war
crimes'
only in reference to Isaeli actions in a one sided aproach, nulling
the true
meaning of the term.
No, it is not. Palestinians also aim for military targets. Tell me,
when a Palestinian takes out four soldiers at a check point, is he a
terrorist? When a weapons officer launches a missile into an apartment
block, missing his target but killing children and women, is he a
terrorist?
Terrorism is a loaded term, everyone has interpreted it to his own
advantage.
Then what are the Palestinians? Are they terrorists, or freedom
fighters? Do you have a better term?
This is why I am speaking about war crimes and crimes against
humanity.
Lots of each in the Middle East.
War crimes are pretty well defined,
in contrast to terrorism. For instance - targeting inoccent civilians
is a war
crime. Depriving population food, medicine and basic needs is a war
crime.
Murdering , turturing , depriving food and medical treatment from
captives and POWs is a war crime. Regarding terrorism , there is no
such commonly accepted definition. A terrorist in ones eye can be
considered as a freedom fighter by another.
Who backs away from the strike-counter strike first? Why not the
Palestinians? Why not the Israelis? Somebody needs to.
--
Enkidu - AA# 2165
EAC Plant Psychologist
"Today, the theory of evolution is an accepted fact for
everyone but a fundamentalist minority, whose objections
are based not on reasoning but on doctrinaire adherence
to religious principles"
James D. Watson
http://www.nobel.se/medicine/laureates/1962/watson-bio.html
"The Astonishing Hypothesis is that `You,' your joys and
your sorrows, your memories and your ambitions, your
sense of personal identity and free will, are in fact no
more than the behavior of a vast assembly of nerve cells
and their associated molecules."
Francis Crick
http://www.nobel.se/medicine/laureates/1962/crick-bio.html
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| User: "Susan Cohen" |
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| Title: Re: Is atheism anti-semitic? |
05 Jul 2004 03:33:54 PM |
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"Enkidu" <enkidu@leaddogs.org> wrote in message
news:MPG.1b5349bee8e1b32e9898c6@news.west.cox.net...
In article <28891102.0407050945.3191754e@posting.google.com>,
jkrup@shani.net says...
I suppose that this happens but this is not everyday spectacle.
And such operations should get authorisation of the government,
it should not be a local desicion , if that matters at all.
It's called assassination.
It's called execution.
Do the targets deserve to die? That's not
the issue.
It's the only issue.
They wouldn't be targets if they weren't guilty.
& we know they're gilty because Arafat refuses to turn them over for trial
as promised.
Susan
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| User: "Roy Jose Lorr" |
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| Title: Re: Is atheism anti-semitic? |
04 Jul 2004 12:11:17 AM |
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Enkidu wrote:
"Today, the theory of evolution is an accepted fact for
everyone but a fundamentalist minority, whose objections
are based not on reasoning but on doctrinaire adherence
to religious principles"
Until Evolutionism can show conclusive evidence of one
species changing into another evolution theory is not fact
but religious fundamentalist faith.
--
The last stage of
utopian sentimentalism
is homicidal mania.
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| User: "Enkidu" |
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04 Jul 2004 12:18:11 AM |
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In article <40E7919B.40CE0FC9@worldnet.att.net>,
mosestorah@worldnet.att.net says...
Enkidu wrote:
"Today, the theory of evolution is an accepted fact for
everyone but a fundamentalist minority, whose objections
are based not on reasoning but on doctrinaire adherence
to religious principles"
Until Evolutionism can show conclusive evidence of one
species changing into another evolution theory is not fact
but religious fundamentalist faith.
Been there, done that. You creationists are to stupid to recognize a
new species when it bites you on the *****.
(That's a hint. Google "London mosquito new species".)
--
Enkidu - AA# 2165
EAC Plant Psychologist
"Today, the theory of evolution is an accepted fact for
everyone but a fundamentalist minority, whose objections
are based not on reasoning but on doctrinaire adherence
to religious principles"
James D. Watson
http://www.nobel.se/medicine/laureates/1962/watson-bio.html
"The Astonishing Hypothesis is that `You,' your joys and
your sorrows, your memories and your ambitions, your
sense of personal identity and free will, are in fact no
more than the behavior of a vast assembly of nerve cells
and their associated molecules."
Francis Crick
http://www.nobel.se/medicine/laureates/1962/crick-bio.html
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04 Jul 2004 12:33:12 AM |
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Enkidu wrote:
In article <40E7919B.40CE0FC9@worldnet.att.net>,
mosestorah@worldnet.att.net says...
Enkidu wrote:
"Today, the theory of evolution is an accepted fact for
everyone but a fundamentalist minority, whose objections
are based not on reasoning but on doctrinaire adherence
to religious principles"
Until Evolutionism can show conclusive evidence of one
species changing into another evolution theory is not fact
but religious fundamentalist faith.
Been there, done that. You creationists are to stupid to recognize a
new species when it bites you on the *****.
(That's a hint. Google "London mosquito new species".)
Bull.
--
The last stage of
utopian sentimentalism
is homicidal mania.
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04 Jul 2004 12:37:22 AM |
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In article <40E796DF.BAE9A4BB@worldnet.att.net>,
mosestorah@worldnet.att.net says...
Enkidu wrote:
In article <40E7919B.40CE0FC9@worldnet.att.net>,
mosestorah@worldnet.att.net says...
Enkidu wrote:
"Today, the theory of evolution is an accepted fact for
everyone but a fundamentalist minority, whose objections
are based not on reasoning but on doctrinaire adherence
to religious principles"
Until Evolutionism can show conclusive evidence of one
species changing into another evolution theory is not fact
but religious fundamentalist faith.
Been there, done that. You creationists are to stupid to recognize a
new species when it bites you on the *****.
(That's a hint. Google "London mosquito new species".)
Bull.
Snappy comeback there, Jose. Doesn't address the issue at hand, though.
--
Enkidu - AA# 2165
EAC Plant Psychologist
"Today, the theory of evolution is an accepted fact for
everyone but a fundamentalist minority, whose objections
are based not on reasoning but on doctrinaire adherence
to religious principles"
James D. Watson
http://www.nobel.se/medicine/laureates/1962/watson-bio.html
"The Astonishing Hypothesis is that `You,' your joys and
your sorrows, your memories and your ambitions, your
sense of personal identity and free will, are in fact no
more than the behavior of a vast assembly of nerve cells
and their associated molecules."
Francis Crick
http://www.nobel.se/medicine/laureates/1962/crick-bio.html
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04 Jul 2004 12:41:02 AM |
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Enkidu wrote:
In article <40E796DF.BAE9A4BB@worldnet.att.net>,
mosestorah@worldnet.att.net says...
Enkidu wrote:
In article <40E7919B.40CE0FC9@worldnet.att.net>,
mosestorah@worldnet.att.net says...
Enkidu wrote:
"Today, the theory of evolution is an accepted fact for
everyone but a fundamentalist minority, whose objections
are based not on reasoning but on doctrinaire adherence
to religious principles"
Until Evolutionism can show conclusive evidence of one
species changing into another evolution theory is not fact
but religious fundamentalist faith.
Been there, done that. You creationists are to stupid to recognize a
new species when it bites you on the *****.
(That's a hint. Google "London mosquito new species".)
Bull.
Snappy comeback there, Jose. Doesn't address the issue at hand, though.
Addresses the issue perfectly.
--
The last stage of
utopian sentimentalism
is homicidal mania.
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04 Jul 2004 12:28:49 AM |
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In article <MPG.1b5132ecb911b3689898b3@news.west.cox.net>,
enkidu@leaddogs.org says...
In article <40E7919B.40CE0FC9@worldnet.att.net>,
mosestorah@worldnet.att.net says...
Enkidu wrote:
"Today, the theory of evolution is an accepted fact for
everyone but a fundamentalist minority, whose objections
are based not on reasoning but on doctrinaire adherence
to religious principles"
Until Evolutionism can show conclusive evidence of one
species changing into another evolution theory is not fact
but religious fundamentalist faith.
Been there, done that. You creationists are to stupid to recognize a
new species when it bites you on the *****.
(That's a hint. Google "London mosquito new species".)
Oh, yeah, Jose: I value James Watson's opinion more than yours. He's
actually smart. You might look him up before you try to criticize the
quote.
--
Enkidu - AA# 2165
EAC Plant Psychologist
"Today, the theory of evolution is an accepted fact for
everyone but a fundamentalist minority, whose objections
are based not on reasoning but on doctrinaire adherence
to religious principles"
James D. Watson
http://www.nobel.se/medicine/laureates/1962/watson-bio.html
"The Astonishing Hypothesis is that `You,' your joys and
your sorrows, your memories and your ambitions, your
sense of personal identity and free will, are in fact no
more than the behavior of a vast assembly of nerve cells
and their associated molecules."
Francis Crick
http://www.nobel.se/medicine/laureates/1962/crick-bio.html
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04 Jul 2004 12:35:03 AM |
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Enkidu wrote:
In article <MPG.1b5132ecb911b3689898b3@news.west.cox.net>,
enkidu@leaddogs.org says...
In article <40E7919B.40CE0FC9@worldnet.att.net>,
mosestorah@worldnet.att.net says...
Enkidu wrote:
"Today, the theory of evolution is an accepted fact for
everyone but a fundamentalist minority, whose objections
are based not on reasoning but on doctrinaire adherence
to religious principles"
Until Evolutionism can show conclusive evidence of one
species changing into another evolution theory is not fact
but religious fundamentalist faith.
Been there, done that. You creationists are to stupid to recognize a
new species when it bites you on the *****.
(That's a hint. Google "London mosquito new species".)
Oh, yeah, Jose: I value James Watson's opinion more than yours. He's
actually smart. You might look him up before you try to criticize the
quote.
The world is full of "smart" idiots.
--
The last stage of
utopian sentimentalism
is homicidal mania.
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04 Jul 2004 12:40:52 AM |
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In article <40E7974E.D5FCAF88@worldnet.att.net>,
mosestorah@worldnet.att.net says...
Enkidu wrote:
In article <MPG.1b5132ecb911b3689898b3@news.west.cox.net>,
enkidu@leaddogs.org says...
In article <40E7919B.40CE0FC9@worldnet.att.net>,
mosestorah@worldnet.att.net says...
Enkidu wrote:
"Today, the theory of evolution is an accepted fact for
everyone but a fundamentalist minority, whose objections
are based not on reasoning but on doctrinaire adherence
to religious principles"
Until Evolutionism can show conclusive evidence of one
species changing into another evolution theory is not fact
but religious fundamentalist faith.
Been there, done that. You creationists are to stupid to recognize a
new species when it bites you on the *****.
(That's a hint. Google "London mosquito new species".)
Oh, yeah, Jose: I value James Watson's opinion more than yours. He's
actually smart. You might look him up before you try to criticize the
quote.
The world is full of "smart" idiots.
And stupid ones.
<super-plonk>
That's anything to, from, or about you. Bye, now.
--
Enkidu - AA# 2165
EAC Plant Psychologist
"Today, the theory of evolution is an accepted fact for
everyone but a fundamentalist minority, whose objections
are based not on reasoning but on doctrinaire adherence
to religious principles"
James D. Watson
http://www.nobel.se/medicine/laureates/1962/watson-bio.html
"The Astonishing Hypothesis is that `You,' your joys and
your sorrows, your memories and your ambitions, your
sense of personal identity and free will, are in fact no
more than the behavior of a vast assembly of nerve cells
and their associated molecules."
Francis Crick
http://www.nobel.se/medicine/laureates/1962/crick-bio.html
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04 Jul 2004 12:48:50 AM |
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Enkidu wrote:
In article <40E7974E.D5FCAF88@worldnet.att.net>,
mosestorah@worldnet.att.net says...
Enkidu wrote:
In article <MPG.1b5132ecb911b3689898b3@news.west.cox.net>,
enkidu@leaddogs.org says...
In article <40E7919B.40CE0FC9@worldnet.att.net>,
mosestorah@worldnet.att.net says...
Enkidu wrote:
"Today, the theory of evolution is an accepted fact for
everyone but a fundamentalist minority, whose objections
are based not on reasoning but on doctrinaire adherence
to religious principles"
Until Evolutionism can show conclusive evidence of one
species changing into another evolution theory is not fact
but religious fundamentalist faith.
Been there, done that. You creationists are to stupid to recognize a
new species when it bites you on the *****.
(That's a hint. Google "London mosquito new species".)
Oh, yeah, Jose: I value James Watson's opinion more than yours. He's
actually smart. You might look him up before you try to criticize the
quote.
The world is full of "smart" idiots.
And stupid ones.
<super-plonk>
That's anything to, from, or about you. Bye, now.
'Come Back Little Sheepa'.
--
The last stage of
utopian sentimentalism
is homicidal mania.
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02 Jul 2004 03:43:34 AM |
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In our last episode,
<fb1e5579.0407011316.3b9fd990@posting.google.com>,
the lovely and talented Hypatia Kosh
broadcast on alt.atheism:
MichaëlM <monzo@free.fr> wrote in message news:<40e2f809$0$29379$626a14ce@news.free.fr>...
Ron Baker, Pluralitas! a écrit :
how Israel is the most open and tolerant society in a part of the world
where people want to destroy them just because of who they are. Instead
you'll just propogate negative stereotypes and equate self-defense with
murder.
What negative stereotype is he propogating?
That Israel is a theocracy (sic) and devil. Can't blame all Israeli for
what moron Sharon do.
Ariel Sharon, unlike his enabler Dubya, is not a moron. He is a war
criminal.
Israel is a republican democracy, not a theocracy, and for Clayton to
make such a charge is just silly.
Israel is a theocracy because only Jews have first-class citizenship
and religious courts determine who is a Jew. Was South Africa under
apartheid a republican democracy? If you think so, then maybe Israel
is a republican democracy. But you should understand that many
people think apatheid - as it was in South Africa and as it is in
Israel - is incompatible with any form of democracy.
--
Rev. Lars Eighner, ULC, Atheist #1965 http://www.io.com/~eighner
"I hope I never get so old I get religious." --Ingmar Bergman
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02 Jul 2004 09:38:00 AM |
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Lars Eighner wrote:
In our last episode,
<fb1e5579.0407011316.3b9fd990@posting.google.com>,
the lovely and talented Hypatia Kosh
broadcast on alt.atheism:
MichaëlM <monzo@free.fr> wrote in message news:<40e2f809$0$29379$626a14ce@news.free.fr>...
Ron Baker, Pluralitas! a écrit :
how Israel is the most open and tolerant society in a part of the world
where people want to destroy them just because of who they are. Instead
you'll just propogate negative stereotypes and equate self-defense with
murder.
What negative stereotype is he propogating?
That Israel is a theocracy (sic) and devil. Can't blame all Israeli for
what moron Sharon do.
Ariel Sharon, unlike his enabler Dubya, is not a moron. He is a war
criminal.
Israel is a republican democracy, not a theocracy, and for Clayton to
make such a charge is just silly.
Israel is a theocracy because only Jews have first-class citizenship
and religious courts determine who is a Jew. Was South Africa under
apartheid a republican democracy? If you think so, then maybe Israel
is a republican democracy. But you should understand that many
people think apatheid - as it was in South Africa and as it is in
Israel - is incompatible with any form of democracy.
Was South Africa under apartheid a theocracy?... lol
Look for a descriptive word other than "theocracy" to fit
the Jewish State. I'm sure you can come up with one.
theocracy
1. Government of a state by the immediate direction or
administration of God; hence, the exercise of political
authority by priests as representing the Deity.
Source: Webster's Revised Unabridged Dictionary, © 1996, 1998 MICRA, I
--
The last stage of
utopian sentimentalism
is homicidal mania.
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| User: "Lars Eighner" |
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02 Jul 2004 09:47:30 AM |
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In our last episode,
<40E5738E.8C17EBE6@worldnet.att.net>,
the lovely and talented Roy Jose Lorr
broadcast on alt.atheism:
Lars Eighner wrote:
In our last episode,
<fb1e5579.0407011316.3b9fd990@posting.google.com>,
the lovely and talented Hypatia Kosh
broadcast on alt.atheism:
MichaëlM <monzo@free.fr> wrote in message news:<40e2f809$0$29379$626a14ce@news.free.fr>...
Ron Baker, Pluralitas! a écrit :
how Israel is the most open and tolerant society in a part of the world
where people want to destroy them just because of who they are. Instead
you'll just propogate negative stereotypes and equate self-defense with
murder.
What negative stereotype is he propogating?
That Israel is a theocracy (sic) and devil. Can't blame all Israeli for
what moron Sharon do.
Ariel Sharon, unlike his enabler Dubya, is not a moron. He is a war
criminal.
Israel is a republican democracy, not a theocracy, and for Clayton to
make such a charge is just silly.
Israel is a theocracy because only Jews have first-class citizenship
and religious courts determine who is a Jew. Was South Africa under
apartheid a republican democracy? If you think so, then maybe Israel
is a republican democracy. But you should understand that many
people think apatheid - as it was in South Africa and as it is in
Israel - is incompatible with any form of democracy.
Was South Africa under apartheid a theocracy?... lol
No one said that. You made two claims: Israel is not a theocracy
and Israel is a republican democracy. Both claims are lies.
Israel is a theocracy since rabbinical courts make secular laws.
Israel is not a republican democracy because it practices apartheid.
Look for a descriptive word other than "theocracy" to fit
the Jewish State. I'm sure you can come up with one.
The fact that you call it "the Jewish state" proves that you mean
it is a theocracy.
theocracy
1. Government of a state by the immediate direction or
administration of God; hence, the exercise of political
authority by priests as representing the Deity.
Source: Webster's Revised Unabridged Dictionary, © 1996, 1998 MICRA, I
--
The last stage of
utopian sentimentalism
is homicidal mania.
--
Rev. Lars Eighner, ULC, Atheist #1965 http://www.io.com/~eighner
"I hope I never get so old I get religious." --Ingmar Bergman
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02 Jul 2004 11:17:05 AM |
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Lars Eighner wrote:
In our last episode,
<40E5738E.8C17EBE6@worldnet.att.net>,
the lovely and talented Roy Jose Lorr
broadcast on alt.atheism:
Lars Eighner wrote:
In our last episode,
<fb1e5579.0407011316.3b9fd990@posting.google.com>,
the lovely and talented Hypatia Kosh
broadcast on alt.atheism:
MichaëlM <monzo@free.fr> wrote in message news:<40e2f809$0$29379$626a14ce@news.free.fr>...
Ron Baker, Pluralitas! a écrit :
how Israel is the most open and tolerant society in a part of the world
where people want to destroy them just because of who they are. Instead
you'll just propogate negative stereotypes and equate self-defense with
murder.
What negative stereotype is he propogating?
That Israel is a theocracy (sic) and devil. Can't blame all Israeli for
what moron Sharon do.
Ariel Sharon, unlike his enabler Dubya, is not a moron. He is a war
criminal.
Israel is a republican democracy, not a theocracy, and for Clayton to
make such a charge is just silly.
Israel is a theocracy because only Jews have first-class citizenship
and religious courts determine who is a Jew. Was South Africa under
apartheid a republican democracy? If you think so, then maybe Israel
is a republican democracy. But you should understand that many
people think apatheid - as it was in South Africa and as it is in
Israel - is incompatible with any form of democracy.
Was South Africa under apartheid a theocracy?... lol
No one said that. You made two claims: Israel is not a theocracy
and Israel is a republican democracy. Both claims are lies.
Israel is a theocracy since rabbinical courts make secular laws.
Israel is not a republican democracy because it practices apartheid.
I made only the first of those claims. The second you picked up elsewhere.
As for the first, that Israel is not a theocracy: it isn't according to the
definition of "theocracy" which you chose to ignore (see definition below).
Show one secular law that is implemented and enforced by Rabbinical
authority. A state accommodating the religious needs of its citizens does
not by those enacted protections make it a theocracy.
As for your lying claim that Israel practices apartheid... prove it.
a·part·heid
Pronunciation Key (-pärtht, -ht)
n.
1.An official policy of racial segregation formerly practiced in the Republic of
South Africa, involving political, legal, and economic discrimination against
nonwhites.
The American Heritage® Dictionary of the English Language, Fourth Edition
Look for a descriptive word other than "theocracy" to fit
the Jewish State. I'm sure you can come up with one.
The fact that you call it "the Jewish state" proves that you mean
it is a theocracy.
Bull. See definition below.
theocracy
1. Government of a state by the immediate direction or
administration of God; hence, the exercise of political
authority by priests as representing the Deity.
Source: Webster's Revised Unabridged Dictionary, © 1996, 1998 MICRA, I
--
The last stage of
utopian sentimentalism
is homicidal mania.
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01 Jul 2004 11:05:58 AM |
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MichaëlM <monzo@free.fr> wrote in message news:<40e2f809$0$29379$626a14ce@news.free.fr>...
Ron Baker, Pluralitas! a écrit :
how Israel is the most open and tolerant society in a part of the world
where people want to destroy them just because of who they are. Instead
you'll just propogate negative stereotypes and equate self-defense with
murder.
What negative stereotype is he propogating?
That Israel is a theocracy (sic) and devil. Can't blame all Israeli for
what moron Sharon do.
Why not? I, being American, get cursed at all the time because of GW
Bush. And I hate the *****. Turn about is fair play.
jwk
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01 Jul 2004 12:41:54 PM |
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jwk a écrit :
MichaëlM <monzo@free.fr> wrote in message news:<40e2f809$0$29379$626a14ce@news.free.fr>...
Ron Baker, Pluralitas! a écrit :
how Israel is the most open and tolerant society in a part of the world
where people want to destroy them just because of who they are. Instead
you'll just propogate negative stereotypes and equate self-defense with
murder.
What negative stereotype is he propogating?
That Israel is a theocracy (sic) and devil. Can't blame all Israeli for
what moron Sharon do.
Why not? I, being American, get cursed at all the time because of GW
Bush. And I hate the *****. Turn about is fair play.
jwk
Well, Americans can be exceptionally exempted due to that.
:)
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02 Jul 2004 01:03:48 AM |
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jwk wrote:
MichaëlM <monzo@free.fr> wrote in message news:<40e2f809$0$29379$626a14ce@news.free.fr>...
Ron Baker, Pluralitas! a écrit :
how Israel is the most open and tolerant society in a part of the world
where people want to destroy them just because of who they are. Instead
you'll just propogate negative stereotypes and equate self-defense with
murder.
What negative stereotype is he propogating?
That Israel is a theocracy (sic) and devil. Can't blame all Israeli for
what moron Sharon do.
Why not? I, being American, get cursed at all the time because of GW
Bush. And I hate the *****. Turn about is fair play.
I'm an American and I curse you for being one.
--
The last stage of
utopian sentimentalism
is homicidal mania.
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02 Jul 2004 12:50:16 AM |
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Fester wrote:
"NO.23: Stirfried Clayton In Black Bean Sauce"
<cjfat@SPAMBLOCKphonyemail.com> wrote in message
news:40e2630f$0$18192$afc38c87@news.optusnet.com.au...
"Ron Baker, Pluralitas!" <jing@topway.net.cn> wrote in message
news:rdrEc.9298$SO5.7100@twister.socal.rr.com...
Is atheism anti-semitic?
I regard fundamental, orthodox or extreme Judaism the same way I regard
the
same thing in all other religions. I consider Jewish religious tomes to
be
just as silly as other religious books of mythology.
Good start.
Bad comment.
I consider the
government of Israel as one of the most dangerous and evil theocracies in
history...just as I do the Palestinians, the taliban and all other
religious
extremist groups who think murder and violation in the name of <insert god
or religion here> is acceptable....and I think all Jewish people should
treat them with the same contempt.
Ooops, we knew it couldn't last. Ignorance of the nature of Israel and
*real* anti-semitism just had to come out.
I do not however attack or condemn
people simply for being Jewish. I do not think there is a world wide
Jewish
conspiracy to control the world. I do not think Jews are mean with money
or
cannibals or what ever other anti-semitic garbage comes out of the
neo-nazi
mind set. If they aren't extremists then Jewish people are actually
closer
to atheists than almost any other group. Normal, responsible, productive
members of society.
How white of you.
I will not tolerate anti-Semitism...but at the same
time I will not hesitate to criticize someone simply because they are
Jewish. The way some people think "Oh no...you can't say anything against
Jewish people...you're a nazi if you do" that is allowing some extremist
(especially Israel) to get away with, is as despicable an idea as will
ever
be found and I'm sure most reasonable Jewish people will agree.
But you won't inform yourself about the state of Israel, either why it was
created or how it has had to defend itself. You won't inform yourself about
how Israel is the most open and tolerant society in a part of the world
where people want to destroy them just because of who they are. Instead
you'll just propogate negative stereotypes and equate self-defense with
murder.
--
The last stage of
utopian sentimentalism
is homicidal mania.
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30 Jun 2004 10:49:45 AM |
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"NO.23: Stirfried Clayton In Black Bean Sauce"
<cjfat@SPAMBLOCKphonyemail.com> wrote in message
news:40e2630f$0$18192$afc38c87@news.optusnet.com.au...
"Ron Baker, Pluralitas!" <jing@topway.net.cn> wrote in message
news:rdrEc.9298$SO5.7100@twister.socal.rr.com...
Is atheism anti-semitic?
I regard fundamental, orthodox or extreme Judaism the same way I regard
the
same thing in all other religions. I consider Jewish religious tomes to
be
just as silly as other religious books of mythology. I consider the
government of Israel as one of the most dangerous and evil theocracies in
history...just as I do the Palestinians, the taliban and all other
religious
extremist groups who think murder and violation in the name of <insert god
or religion here> is acceptable....and I think all Jewish people should
treat them with the same contempt. I do not however attack or condemn
people simply for being Jewish. I do not think there is a world wide
Jewish
conspiracy to control the world. I do not think Jews are mean with money
or
cannibals or what ever other anti-semitic garbage comes out of the
neo-nazi
mind set. If they aren't extremists then Jewish people are actually
closer
to atheists than almost any other group. Normal, responsible, productive
members of society. I will not tolerate anti-Semitism...but at the same
One complaint I have is that 'anti-Semitism' is ill-defined.
Some use it as a broad brush and would use it to paint you as
a nazi for just criticizing Jewish theology.
time I will not hesitate to criticize someone simply because they are
Jewish. The way some people think "Oh no...you can't say anything against
Jewish people...you're a nazi if you do" that is allowing some extremist
(especially Israel) to get away with, is as despicable an idea as will
ever
be found and I'm sure most reasonable Jewish people will agree.
It is often done. I guess I'm trying to get a
handle on your final assumption there.
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RB
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| User: "Roy Jose Lorr" |
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| Title: Re: Is atheism anti-semitic? |
02 Jul 2004 01:31:35 AM |
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"Ron Baker, Pluralitas!" wrote:
"NO.23: Stirfried Clayton In Black Bean Sauce"
<cjfat@SPAMBLOCKphonyemail.com> wrote in message
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"Ron Baker, Pluralitas!" <jing@topway.net.cn> wrote in message
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Is atheism anti-semitic?
I regard fundamental, orthodox or extreme Judaism the same way I regard
the
same thing in all other religions. I consider Jewish religious tomes to
be
just as silly as other religious books of mythology. I consider the
government of Israel as one of the most dangerous and evil theocracies in
history...just as I do the Palestinians, the taliban and all other
religious
extremist groups who think murder and violation in the name of <insert god
or religion here> is acceptable....and I think all Jewish people should
treat them with the same contempt. I do not however attack or condemn
people simply for being Jewish. I do not think there is a world wide
Jewish
conspiracy to control the world. I do not think Jews are mean with money
or
cannibals or what ever other anti-semitic garbage comes out of the
neo-nazi
mind set. If they aren't extremists then Jewish people are actually
closer
to atheists than almost any other group. Normal, responsible, productive
members of society. I will not tolerate anti-Semitism...but at the same
One complaint I have is that 'anti-Semitism' is ill-defined.
Some use it as a broad brush and would use it to paint you as
a nazi for just criticizing Jewish theology.
There is no such thing as "anti Semitism".
The term "anti-Semi-tism" was coined in the 1890's by a Jew-hating Ger-man
politician and crackpot racial theorist, Wilhelm Marr, who calculated that
the euphemism would be more congenial to delicate bourgeois sensibilities than
its antecedent, Judenhass, or Jew-hatred, which so baldly proclaimed an
unreasoning, murderous hostility. Events soon proved, of course, that while
"anti-Semites" might have lacked the virtue of honest self description that Jew
haters could boast of, their purpose was the same.
By devising a word intended to condition people to think of Jews as racially
distinct, Marr contributed to the process of converting Xendom's age-old
antipathy toward those who had rejected the Nazarene into the 20th century
passion to purge Europe of a supposedly alien "race." Marr's "modern,"
"scientific" term was simply perfumed cover for the desire to extirpate Jews.
A nonsensical word with such a pedigree and purpose should be consigned to
the dung heap from which it sprang. There are no anti-Semites, only Jew-haters.
--
The last stage of
utopian sentimentalism
is homicidal mania.
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| User: "=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Micha=EBlM?=" |
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| Title: Re: Is atheism anti-semitic? |
30 Jun 2004 12:17:19 PM |
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NO.23: Stirfried Clayton In Black Bean Sauce a écrit :
"Ron Baker, Pluralitas!" <jing@topway.net.cn> wrote in message
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Is atheism anti-semitic?
I regard fundamental, orthodox or extreme Judaism the same way I regard the
same thing in all other religions. I consider Jewish religious tomes to be
just as silly as other religious books of mythology. I consider the
government of Israel as one of the most dangerous and evil theocracies in
history...
Sharon can be a moron, Israel IS NOT a theocracy, but a secular state,
even if there is more facility to a Jewish to become Israeli. Jews or
not, all citizens are supposed to have the same rights.
MichaëlM
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| User: "Paul A Abeles" |
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30 Jun 2004 06:59:58 AM |
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"Ron Baker, Pluralitas!" <jing@topway.net.cn> wrote in message
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Is atheism anti-semitic?
Under Jewish law a Jewish atheist is a heretic.
A non Jew who disputes the authenticity of Judaism will be called an
antisemite by Jewish religious zealots.
However IMHO the answer is no.
Antisemitism means hostile to Jews per se.
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