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User: "Sound of Trumpet"
Date: 09 Sep 2007 12:45:05 PM
Object: Is Baby Killing A Civil Right?
http://lashawnbarber.com/archives/2007/01/22/baby-killing-as-a-civil-right/
Baby Killing as a Civil Right
*** Very important question at the end ***
Black folks sure have come a long way.
We can go anywhere we want to go (except for certain hispanic areas in
Los Angeles County, that is), sit at the back of the bus only if we
want to, and fornicate with people of different races without fear of
incarceration for miscegenation or lynching for race-mixing.
We can vote for the crook of our choice without having to pay poll
taxes or take literacy tests, and we can move to any neighborhood
anywhere in the United States we can afford. If we want to send our
kids to schools with white kids, we won't be harassed or stoned, and
if, on the off chance we are, there's plenty of legal recourse. If
fact, there are whole organizations on call for such occasions,
organizations that exist for the sole purpose of uncovering and
exaggerating the most trivial racial grievance.
We have overcome, indeed.
(By the way, Barack Obama, white liberals' Great Black Hype and would-
be president, is all for child killing.)
Freedom to Kill
The fight for civil rights, defined as those guaranteed in the
Constitution - freedom of speech and religion, the right to due
process of law and to equal protection under the law, etc. - was much
more than a struggle for equality. The movement was about dignity of
the person and first class citizenship in this great country. Blacks
were subjugated by law and practice, and people on the front lines of
the movement risked life and limb so those coming after them would
never experience the outrage of one's own government treating them as
less than human.
Those years of hard work have come to fruition. In 2007 we can, with
impunity, kill our babies in a safe, sterile doctor's office, just
like white people.
We have overcome, indeed.
*** The March for Life rally begins today at noon on the National
Mall. ***
Perhaps my image of the civil rights movement is overly romanticized.

From my perspective, the movement's appeal to "Christian love" and

human dignity included sanctity and preservation of life.
But I'm in error.
Last October, Planned Parenthood joined the Leadership Conference on
Civil Rights, an organization founded at the dawn of the modern civil
rights movement. This isn't news per se, but I thought it was a timely
tidbit for today, the 34th anniversary of Roe v. Wade, the Supreme
Court decision that fashioned a Fourteenth Amendment "right to
privacy" for women to kill their babies in utero.
Says conservative writer and friend Mychal Massie: "How can a civil
rights group that claims to support underprivileged blacks embrace an
organization created expressly to hasten the demise of black people?
People of conscience should be appalled and outraged by this
alignment."
(Hat tip: National Center)
But alas, some blacks only can summon outrage for things like the
dismantling race preferences. I know more than a few who become
unrighteously indignant at the mention of high crime rates among
blacks or the high illegitimacy rate. But they spare no outrage over
the fact that Planned Parenthood targets black areas for its abortion
mills. (See "Marching for life and against the 'Negro Project'"and one
of my earlier efforts, "Through The Fire: 43 Million Sacrifices")
But then again, we have overcome.
Abstinence, Anyone?
Some of you may be wondering how I can adamantly oppose child killing
and out-of-wedlock birth at the same time. It should be obvious, but
if not, allow me to explain. Even if a woman is pregnant without a
husband, I would never, under any circumstances, advocate killing the
child. There are many steps leading up to pregnancy, and I believe the
rate of out-of-wedlock births can be reduced if people learned to make
responsible choices about sex. On this issue I am an absolutist: sex
is for marriage.
As one who's decided to obey God and remain abstinent until marriage
(after years of debauchery), I can tell you it ain't easy sometimes.
And I'm a Christian, a "new woman" in Christ, empowered by the Holy
Spirit to understand the things of God and seek him out. I can't
imagine how much of a struggle it might be for those whose moral
authority extends no higher than themselves. I can give young women
plenty of practical reasons to reserve sex until marriage, but without
the spiritual component, the need to live one's life according to
God's plan, I don't know how effective those reasons would be.
Blogger Dawn Eden, who wrote The Thrill of the Chaste: Finding
Fulfillment While Keeping Your Clothes On, probably is better equipped
to help young women and teens deal with responsible sexual choices.
I'm too extreme. "No sex before marriage, no in-between, period."
(Clarification: That's not to say Dawn isn't extreme, but I rarely
meet people as extreme as I am.)
I haven't read Dawn's book yet, but I'm sure I'll be able to relate to
some of her experiences. She blogs about Planned Parenthood quite
often, so if you want to stay informed about what this group is up to,
make Dawn's blog a regular read.
Blogs for Life
This afternoon I'm speaking on a Blogs for Life "new media" panel at
the Family Research Council, moderated by the wonderful Charmaine
Yoest. There's a live web feed, I'm told. Panelists include Mary
Katharine Ham (who appeared with me on an episode of Michelle Malkin's
Hot Air "Vent;" The main topic was child killing), Rob Bluey, and Tim
Ruchti of Pro Life Blogs. Thanks for the invitation, Joe Carter.
Following the panel, Dr. David Prentice of FRC will discuss stem cell
research.
Morning speakers include Bobby Schindler, brother of Terri Schiavo,
and nurse Jill Stanek of Pro Life Pulse.
Live-blogging at Pro Life Blogs.
Radio show host and blogger Cindy Swanson posts an ultrasound photo of
her grandson.
QUESTION: Sexual abstinence until marriage: unrealistic or do-able?
Update (6:13 p.m.): The panel went well. The discussion focused on
blogging in general rather than pro-life blogging in particular.
Reminded me that I need to do more pro-life blogging.
Dr. David Prentice's stem cell presentation was captivating. That may
sound like a strong word to describe it, but he talked about things
mainstream media don't report. For instance, did you know that adult
stem cells, which don't involve the destruction of human embryos, heal
people, and embryonic stem cells don't? So much information. Adult
stem cell research is supported mostly by private investors because
investors want a return on their money. There's a reason why embryonic
stem cell research is supported by taxpayers. Why are so-called
scientists salivating over embryos? Why do mainstream media fail to
provide balanced coverage of the stem cell research debate?
The new euphemism for cloning is "somatic cell nuclear transfer." Dr.
Prentice said the scientific evidence isn't there to support embryonic
stem research, but even if it were, ethical concerns still remain.
Much more later.
Townhall intern Katie Favazza live-blogged the panel and Dr.
Prentice's presentation and will post more text and pictures later. I
didn't get to see the late Terri Schiavo's brother Bobby Schindler
this morning. I met him at last year's CPAC, but I doubt he remembers
me. I may get to meet his other sister tomorrow when I drop by the
National Right to Life office.
Blogger Peter Shinn is doing much more than blogging about child
killing. He visits the clinics, does some video blogging, and writes
representatives, and he's involved with a group that visits abortion
mills on days they do abortions. They pray for the unborn and the
women and also counsel the women.
Correction: I called Jill Stanek a "former abortion nurse." INCORRECT.
She was a labor and delivery RN who made a gruesome discovery in 1999.
Read all about it.
Update II (1/22 @ 8:43 p.m.): Must-read post from a commenter,
"Changed Life":
"As to abortion. I can speak as to what is wrong with it because I had
one. If some asks now if I have children, I say none living. If they
dare ask what happened, I tell them I murdered my children. I say
children but I only had one abortion. They make me get off the table
and go back into the office and pay them more money because the doctor
says I am too big so I am further along than I think and I have to pay
more money for him to do the abortion. Pay the money, back on the
table, time passes, they wake me up tell me nope they were wrong, I
was just having twins. How did they know it was twins - they counted
arms, legs, heads of what they vacumned out. (No refund by the way).
Guess it wasn't the mass of meaningless unformed tissue they told me
it was if they could count arms and legs.
"30 years ago and it feels like 30 seconds ago.
"I thank God for the peace he has placed in my heart and for his
grace. Amazing Grace that saved a wretch like me."
Update III (1/23 @ 4:43 p.m.): I spent the day with a client, a lawyer
who does pro bono work on right to life cases. She represents patients
whose doctors are about to pull the plug, and she's in D.C. to speak
at an event sponsored by National Right to Life (NRLC).
Bobby Schindler (Terri Schiavo's brother) is also a guest speaker. We
stopped by the NRLC office this afternoon and met Terri's sister
Suzanne Carr, who's in town for the event. Suzanne and Bobby travel
the country talking about pro-life issues and helping families deal
with the same problem they faced with Terri.
I need to get more involved with the right to life movement. There are
so many people out there doing so much good work, but you don't hear
much about it. For instance, if your family member is in the hospital
facing withdrawal of treatment, National Right to Life can put you in
touch with lawyers in your state to help extend plug-pulling deadlines
so you can transfer your loved one to a different facility.
Check out blogger Barbara Curtis's photos from yesterday's March for
Life rally. More rally pics at Human Events.
I forgot to mention yesterday that Ramesh Ponnuru, author of The Party
of Death: The Democrats, the Media, the Courts, and the Disregard for
Human Life, spoke at the Family Research Council's March for Life
conference. I heard only the last part of his presentation (good sense
of humor, given the seriousness of the subject matter) and didn't get
to meet him.
.

User: "turk"

Title: Re: Is Baby Killing A Civil Right? 09 Sep 2007 02:01:49 PM
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Baby Killing as a Civil Right

About half of all conceptions fall off the uterine wall to be unknowingly
flushed down the toilet, effectively aborting them. That being the case,
since "God" designed the female body to function that way, that makes "God"
the biggest abortionist ever. So, exactly why would you think "God" is
against abortion given it's implicit participation in the procedure? And
why aren't you out protesting against "God" and his "baby killing"?
turk
--
"Christians, like slaves and soldiers, ask no questions."--Jerry Falwell
.
User: "jose"

Title: Re: Is Baby Killing A Civil Right? 09 Sep 2007 02:38:01 PM
On Sep 9, 1:01 pm, "turk" <tur...@noway.nohow> wrote:

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Baby Killing as a Civil Right


About half of all conceptions fall off the uterine wall to be unknowingly
flushed down the toilet, effectively aborting them. That being the case,
since "God" designed the female body to function that way, that makes "God"
the biggest abortionist ever. So, exactly why would you think "God" is
against abortion given it's implicit participation in the procedure? And
why aren't you out protesting against "God" and his "baby killing"?

turk
--
"Christians, like slaves and soldiers, ask no questions."--Jerry Falwell

Only people who think they are God think they are
capable of making those life and death decisions.
.
User: "turk"

Title: Re: Is Baby Killing A Civil Right? 09 Sep 2007 02:48:08 PM
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Baby Killing as a Civil Right


About half of all conceptions fall off the uterine wall to be unknowingly
flushed down the toilet, effectively aborting them. That being the case,
since "God" designed the female body to function that way, that makes
"God"
the biggest abortionist ever. So, exactly why would you think "God" is
against abortion given it's implicit participation in the procedure? And
why aren't you out protesting against "God" and his "baby killing"?

turk
--
"Christians, like slaves and soldiers, ask no questions."--Jerry Falwell


Only people who think they are God think they are
capable of making those life and death decisions.

So, the very deity you reference when trying to make some weird, illogical
anti-abortion argument, is given a free pass on administering countless
abortions? You actually can't see how utterly stupid that is? But then,
I'm talking to someone who believes that a 300 year old man built a boat the
size of New Hampshire and filled it with pairs of every living animal in
less than 30 days, then survived at sea for a year. I suppose I have my
work cut out for me if I want to crack through that kind of childish
thinking.
turk
--
"Christians, like slaves and soldiers, ask no questions."--Jerry Falwell
.
User: "Fuji"

Title: Re: Is Baby Killing A Civil Right? 09 Sep 2007 05:40:44 PM
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Baby Killing as a Civil Right


About half of all conceptions fall off the uterine wall to be unknowingly
flushed down the toilet, effectively aborting them. That being the case,
since "God" designed the female body to function that way, that makes
"God"
the biggest abortionist ever. So, exactly why would you think "God" is
against abortion given it's implicit participation in the procedure? And
why aren't you out protesting against "God" and his "baby killing"?


turk
--
"Christians, like slaves and soldiers, ask no questions."--Jerry Falwell


Only people who think they are God think they are
capable of making those life and death decisions.


So, the very deity you reference when trying to make some weird, illogical
anti-abortion argument, is given a free pass on administering countless
abortions? You actually can't see how utterly stupid that is? But then,
I'm talking to someone who believes that a 300 year old man built a boat the
size of New Hampshire and filled it with pairs of every living animal in
less than 30 days, then survived at sea for a year. I suppose I have my
work cut out for me if I want to crack through that kind of childish
thinking.

turk
--
"Christians, like slaves and soldiers, ask no questions."--Jerry Falwell

Are you so full of hubris that you blame the Creator
for allowing nature to take it's course? The old testament
of the Bible is filled with stories that only fundamentalists
take literally. I'm sorry you lack the perspicuity to see
the wisdom of man's life experiences distilled in mere
words and presented in parables.
.
User: "turk"

Title: Re: Is Baby Killing A Civil Right? 09 Sep 2007 06:59:07 PM
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Baby Killing as a Civil Right


About half of all conceptions fall off the uterine wall to be
unknowingly
flushed down the toilet, effectively aborting them. That being the
case,
since "God" designed the female body to function that way, that makes
"God"
the biggest abortionist ever. So, exactly why would you think "God"
is
against abortion given it's implicit participation in the procedure?
And
why aren't you out protesting against "God" and his "baby killing"?


turk
--
"Christians, like slaves and soldiers, ask no questions."--Jerry
Falwell


Only people who think they are God think they are
capable of making those life and death decisions.


So, the very deity you reference when trying to make some weird,
illogical
anti-abortion argument, is given a free pass on administering countless
abortions? You actually can't see how utterly stupid that is? But then,
I'm talking to someone who believes that a 300 year old man built a boat
the
size of New Hampshire and filled it with pairs of every living animal in
less than 30 days, then survived at sea for a year. I suppose I have my
work cut out for me if I want to crack through that kind of childish
thinking.

turk
--
"Christians, like slaves and soldiers, ask no questions."--Jerry Falwell


Are you so full of hubris that you blame the Creator
for allowing nature to take it's course? The old testament
of the Bible is filled with stories that only fundamentalists
take literally. I'm sorry you lack the perspicuity to see
the wisdom of man's life experiences distilled in mere
words and presented in parables.

Do you believe that life begins at conception? Do you believe that "God"
designed the female body? If so, then "God" aborts almost fifty percent of
babies. Go protest your local church if you need something to do, you
pathetic little *****.
Incidentally, what is more likely? That some tribal primitive woman got
magically knocked up by some sky god or that she lied? That one's going to
take the use of some common sense, so take your time.
turk
--
"Christians, like slaves and soldiers, ask no questions."--Jerry Falwell
.
User: "John D. Wentzky"

Title: Re: Is Baby Killing A Civil Right? 09 Sep 2007 10:34:09 PM
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Baby Killing as a Civil Right


About half of all conceptions fall off the uterine wall to be
unknowingly
flushed down the toilet, effectively aborting them. That being the
case,
since "God" designed the female body to function that way, that makes
"God"
the biggest abortionist ever. So, exactly why would you think "God"
is
against abortion given it's implicit participation in the procedure?
And
why aren't you out protesting against "God" and his "baby killing"?


turk
--
"Christians, like slaves and soldiers, ask no questions."--Jerry
Falwell


Only people who think they are God think they are
capable of making those life and death decisions.


So, the very deity you reference when trying to make some weird,
illogical
anti-abortion argument, is given a free pass on administering countless
abortions? You actually can't see how utterly stupid that is? But
then,
I'm talking to someone who believes that a 300 year old man built a boat
the
size of New Hampshire and filled it with pairs of every living animal in
less than 30 days, then survived at sea for a year. I suppose I have my
work cut out for me if I want to crack through that kind of childish
thinking.

turk
--
"Christians, like slaves and soldiers, ask no questions."--Jerry Falwell


Are you so full of hubris that you blame the Creator
for allowing nature to take it's course? The old testament
of the Bible is filled with stories that only fundamentalists
take literally. I'm sorry you lack the perspicuity to see
the wisdom of man's life experiences distilled in mere
words and presented in parables.


Do you believe that life begins at conception? Do you believe that "God"
designed the female body? If so, then "God" aborts almost fifty percent
of babies. Go protest your local church if you need something to do, you
pathetic little *****.

Incidentally, what is more likely? That some tribal primitive woman got
magically knocked up by some sky god or that she lied? That one's going
to take the use of some common sense, so take your time.

Methinks the poster is grasping for straws.
.
User: "turk"

Title: Re: Is Baby Killing A Civil Right? 09 Sep 2007 11:28:59 PM
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Baby Killing as a Civil Right


About half of all conceptions fall off the uterine wall to be
unknowingly
flushed down the toilet, effectively aborting them. That being the
case,
since "God" designed the female body to function that way, that
makes
"God"
the biggest abortionist ever. So, exactly why would you think "God"
is
against abortion given it's implicit participation in the procedure?
And
why aren't you out protesting against "God" and his "baby killing"?


turk
--
"Christians, like slaves and soldiers, ask no questions."--Jerry
Falwell


Only people who think they are God think they are
capable of making those life and death decisions.


So, the very deity you reference when trying to make some weird,
illogical
anti-abortion argument, is given a free pass on administering countless
abortions? You actually can't see how utterly stupid that is? But
then,
I'm talking to someone who believes that a 300 year old man built a
boat the
size of New Hampshire and filled it with pairs of every living animal
in
less than 30 days, then survived at sea for a year. I suppose I have
my
work cut out for me if I want to crack through that kind of childish
thinking.

turk
--
"Christians, like slaves and soldiers, ask no questions."--Jerry
Falwell


Are you so full of hubris that you blame the Creator
for allowing nature to take it's course? The old testament
of the Bible is filled with stories that only fundamentalists
take literally. I'm sorry you lack the perspicuity to see
the wisdom of man's life experiences distilled in mere
words and presented in parables.


Do you believe that life begins at conception? Do you believe that "God"
designed the female body? If so, then "God" aborts almost fifty percent
of babies. Go protest your local church if you need something to do, you
pathetic little *****.

Incidentally, what is more likely? That some tribal primitive woman got
magically knocked up by some sky god or that she lied? That one's going
to take the use of some common sense, so take your time.



Methinks the poster is grasping for straws.

Answer the question, punk.
turk
--
"Christians, like slaves and soldiers, ask no questions."--Jerry Falwell
.

User: "Pr0r3p"

Title: Re: Is Baby Killing A Civil Right? 10 Sep 2007 09:49:21 AM
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Baby Killing as a Civil Right


About half of all conceptions fall off the uterine wall to be
unknowingly
flushed down the toilet, effectively aborting them. That being the
case,
since "God" designed the female body to function that way, that makes
"God"
the biggest abortionist ever. So, exactly why would you think "God"
is
against abortion given it's implicit participation in the procedure?
And
why aren't you out protesting against "God" and his "baby killing"?


turk
--
"Christians, like slaves and soldiers, ask no questions."--Jerry
Falwell


Only people who think they are God think they are
capable of making those life and death decisions.


So, the very deity you reference when trying to make some weird,
illogical
anti-abortion argument, is given a free pass on administering countless
abortions? You actually can't see how utterly stupid that is? But
then,
I'm talking to someone who believes that a 300 year old man built a boat
the
size of New Hampshire and filled it with pairs of every living animal in
less than 30 days, then survived at sea for a year. I suppose I have my
work cut out for me if I want to crack through that kind of childish
thinking.


turk
--
"Christians, like slaves and soldiers, ask no questions."--Jerry Falwell


Are you so full of hubris that you blame the Creator
for allowing nature to take it's course? The old testament
of the Bible is filled with stories that only fundamentalists
take literally. I'm sorry you lack the perspicuity to see
the wisdom of man's life experiences distilled in mere
words and presented in parables.


Do you believe that life begins at conception? Do you believe that "God"
designed the female body? If so, then "God" aborts almost fifty percent
of babies. Go protest your local church if you need something to do, you
pathetic little *****.


Incidentally, what is more likely? That some tribal primitive woman got
magically knocked up by some sky god or that she lied? That one's going
to take the use of some common sense, so take your time.


Methinks the poster is grasping for straws.

You should have taken a little more time.
.
User: "Al Klein"

Title: Re: Is Baby Killing A Civil Right? 10 Sep 2007 12:53:56 PM
[Default] On Mon, 10 Sep 2007 07:49:21 -0700, Pr0r3p
<pr0r3p@yahoo.com> wrote:

On Sep 9, 11:34 pm, "John D. Wentzky" <wxpprofessio...@msn.com> wrote:

"turk" <tur...@noway.nohow> wrote in message

Incidentally, what is more likely? That some tribal primitive woman got
magically knocked up by some sky god or that she lied? That one's going
to take the use of some common sense, so take your time.

Methinks the poster is grasping for straws.

You should have taken a little more time.

There's only about 80 billion years left - not nearly enough time for
John to get any sense.
.


User: "Al Klein"

Title: Re: Is Baby Killing A Civil Right? 10 Sep 2007 12:34:42 PM
[Default] On Sun, 9 Sep 2007 23:34:09 -0400, "John D. Wentzky"
<wxpprofessional@msn.com> wrote:

"turk" <turk96@noway.nohow> wrote in message
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Incidentally, what is more likely? That some tribal primitive woman got
magically knocked up by some sky god or that she lied? That one's going
to take the use of some common sense, so take your time.

Methinks the poster is grasping for straws.

The one claiming male parthenogenesis? Definitely. If there is a
creator god, he designed human beings in such manner as to preclude a
woman from producing a male offspring without sperm being added.
As Turk said, John, it takes a bit of common sense, so it's no wonder
you're confused. Being common isn't the same as having common sense.
.



User: "MarkA"

Title: Re: Is Baby Killing A Civil Right? 10 Sep 2007 06:56:03 AM
On Sun, 09 Sep 2007 22:40:44 +0000, Fuji wrote:

On Sep 9, 1:48 pm, "turk" <tur...@noway.nohow> wrote:

"jose" <josefsop...@yahoo.com> wrote in message

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On Sep 9, 1:01 pm, "turk" <tur...@noway.nohow> wrote:

"Sound of Trumpet" <soundoftrum...@mailcan.com> wrote in
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Baby Killing as a Civil Right


About half of all conceptions fall off the uterine wall to be unknowingly
flushed down the toilet, effectively aborting them. That being the case,
since "God" designed the female body to function that way, that makes
"God"
the biggest abortionist ever. So, exactly why would you think "God" is
against abortion given it's implicit participation in the procedure? And
why aren't you out protesting against "God" and his "baby killing"?


turk
--
"Christians, like slaves and soldiers, ask no questions."--Jerry Falwell


Only people who think they are God think they are
capable of making those life and death decisions.


So, the very deity you reference when trying to make some weird, illogical
anti-abortion argument, is given a free pass on administering countless
abortions? You actually can't see how utterly stupid that is? But then,
I'm talking to someone who believes that a 300 year old man built a boat the
size of New Hampshire and filled it with pairs of every living animal in
less than 30 days, then survived at sea for a year. I suppose I have my
work cut out for me if I want to crack through that kind of childish
thinking.

turk
--
"Christians, like slaves and soldiers, ask no questions."--Jerry Falwell


Are you so full of hubris that you blame the Creator
for allowing nature to take it's course? The old testament
of the Bible is filled with stories that only fundamentalists
take literally. I'm sorry you lack the perspicuity to see
the wisdom of man's life experiences distilled in mere
words and presented in parables.

If you are not a "fundamentalist," can you offer a secular reason to
justify imposing your views on a pregnant woman, who has decided, for
reasons that have nothing to do with you, that she should have an abortion?
--
MarkA
(My OTHER sig line is clever)
.


User: "Ronald More-More Moshki"

Title: Re: Is Baby Killing A Civil Right? 09 Sep 2007 05:27:52 PM
On Sep 9, 3:48 pm, "turk" <tur...@noway.nohow> wrote:

"jose" <josefsop...@yahoo.com> wrote in message

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On Sep 9, 1:01 pm, "turk" <tur...@noway.nohow> wrote:

"Sound of Trumpet" <soundoftrum...@mailcan.com> wrote in
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Baby Killing as a Civil Right


About half of all conceptions fall off the uterine wall to be unknowingly
flushed down the toilet, effectively aborting them. That being the case,
since "God" designed the female body to function that way, that makes
"God"
the biggest abortionist ever. So, exactly why would you think "God" is
against abortion given it's implicit participation in the procedure? And
why aren't you out protesting against "God" and his "baby killing"?


turk
--
"Christians, like slaves and soldiers, ask no questions."--Jerry Falwell


Only people who think they are God think they are
capable of making those life and death decisions.


So, the very deity you reference when trying to make some weird, illogical
anti-abortion argument, is given a free pass on administering countless
abortions? You actually can't see how utterly stupid that is? But then,
I'm talking to someone who believes that a 300 year old man built a boat the
size of New Hampshire and filled it with pairs of every living animal in
less than 30 days, then survived at sea for a year. I suppose I have my
work cut out for me if I want to crack through that kind of childish
thinking.

turk
--
"Christians, like slaves and soldiers, ask no questions."--Jerry Falwell- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

New Flood:
One vivisector--one ARA with a gun.
One abortion clinic bomber--one good guy with a gun.
One illegal immigrant supporter--one good guy with a noose.
The list of pairs is very long.
One furrier, one...........
.
User: "Lucifer"

Title: Re: Is Baby Killing A Civil Right? 09 Sep 2007 05:44:31 PM
On Sep 9, 11:27 pm, Ronald 'More-More' Moshki <sector_f...@yahoo.com>
wrote:

On Sep 9, 3:48 pm, "turk" <tur...@noway.nohow> wrote:



"jose" <josefsop...@yahoo.com> wrote in message


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On Sep 9, 1:01 pm, "turk" <tur...@noway.nohow> wrote:

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Baby Killing as a Civil Right


About half of all conceptions fall off the uterine wall to be unknowingly
flushed down the toilet, effectively aborting them. That being the case,
since "God" designed the female body to function that way, that makes
"God"
the biggest abortionist ever. So, exactly why would you think "God" is
against abortion given it's implicit participation in the procedure? And
why aren't you out protesting against "God" and his "baby killing"?


turk
--
"Christians, like slaves and soldiers, ask no questions."--Jerry Falwell


Only people who think they are God think they are
capable of making those life and death decisions.


So, the very deity you reference when trying to make some weird, illogical
anti-abortion argument, is given a free pass on administering countless
abortions? You actually can't see how utterly stupid that is? But then,
I'm talking to someone who believes that a 300 year old man built a boat the
size of New Hampshire and filled it with pairs of every living animal in
less than 30 days, then survived at sea for a year. I suppose I have my
work cut out for me if I want to crack through that kind of childish
thinking.


turk
--
"Christians, like slaves and soldiers, ask no questions."--Jerry Falwell- Hide quoted text -


- Show quoted text -


New Flood:

One vivisector--one ARA with a gun.

One abortion clinic bomber--one good guy with a gun.
One illegal immigrant supporter--one good guy with a noose.

The list of pairs is very long.
One furrier, one...........

One idiot, one killfile.
Plonk.
--
Lucifer the Unsubtle, EAC Librarian of Dark Tomes of Excessive Evil
and General Purpose Igor
The Anti-Theist, BAAWA Lowly Evilmeister and tamer of the Demon Duck
of Doom
Convicted by Earthquack
"Don't worry, I won't bite.......hard"
.



User: "Al Klein"

Title: Re: Is Baby Killing A Civil Right? 09 Sep 2007 10:17:01 PM
On Sun, 09 Sep 2007 12:38:01 -0700, jose <josefsoplar@yahoo.com>
wrote:

Only people who think they are God think they are
capable of making those life and death decisions.

Then women have been thinking they're God for at least 35,000 years.
.

User: "GW Chimpzillas Eye-Rack Neocon Utopia"

Title: Re: Is Baby Killing A Civil Right? 09 Sep 2007 03:54:35 PM
jose wrote:

On Sep 9, 1:01 pm, "turk" <tur...@noway.nohow> wrote:

"Sound of Trumpet" <soundoftrum...@mailcan.com> wrote in
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http://lashawnbarber.com/archives/2007/01/22/baby-killing-as-a-civil-...


Baby Killing as a Civil Right


About half of all conceptions fall off the uterine wall to be unknowingly
flushed down the toilet, effectively aborting them. That being the case,
since "God" designed the female body to function that way, that makes "God"
the biggest abortionist ever. So, exactly why would you think "God" is
against abortion given it's implicit participation in the procedure? And
why aren't you out protesting against "God" and his "baby killing"?

turk
--
"Christians, like slaves and soldiers, ask no questions."--Jerry Falwell


Only people who think they are God think they are
capable of making those life and death decisions.

That's the problem with you Republican wingnuts. It ain't none of your fucking
business.
--
There are only two kinds of Republicans: Millionaires and fools.
.
User: "Fuji"

Title: Re: Is Baby Killing A Civil Right? 09 Sep 2007 05:47:00 PM
On Sep 9, 2:54 pm, GW Chimpzilla's Eye-Rack Neocon Utopia
<g...@hotmail.com> wrote:

jose wrote:

On Sep 9, 1:01 pm, "turk" <tur...@noway.nohow> wrote:

"Sound of Trumpet" <soundoftrum...@mailcan.com> wrote in
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http://lashawnbarber.com/archives/2007/01/22/baby-killing-as-a-civil-...


Baby Killing as a Civil Right


About half of all conceptions fall off the uterine wall to be unknowingly
flushed down the toilet, effectively aborting them. That being the case,
since "God" designed the female body to function that way, that makes "God"
the biggest abortionist ever. So, exactly why would you think "God" is
against abortion given it's implicit participation in the procedure? And
why aren't you out protesting against "God" and his "baby killing"?


turk
--
"Christians, like slaves and soldiers, ask no questions."--Jerry Falwell


Only people who think they are God think they are
capable of making those life and death decisions.


That's the problem with you Republican wingnuts. It ain't none of your fucking
business.

You may choose to avert your eyes from the vast
carnage of human life much as many Germans
did during Hitler's "Final Solution," I choose not
to. You might want to meditate on your mother's
choice to bring you into this world alive. And thank
her for not aborting you.
Actually, the best part of someone who calls himself
"GW Chimpzilla's Eye-Rack Neocon Utopia " ran
down his father's leg.


--
There are only two kinds of Republicans: Millionaires and fools.

.
User: "GW Chimpzillas Eye-Rack Neocon Utopia"

Title: Re: Is Baby Killing A Civil Right? 09 Sep 2007 07:40:20 PM
Fuji wrote:

On Sep 9, 2:54 pm, GW Chimpzilla's Eye-Rack Neocon Utopia
<g...@hotmail.com> wrote:

jose wrote:

On Sep 9, 1:01 pm, "turk" <tur...@noway.nohow> wrote:

"Sound of Trumpet" <soundoftrum...@mailcan.com> wrote in
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http://lashawnbarber.com/archives/2007/01/22/baby-killing-as-a-civil-...


Baby Killing as a Civil Right


About half of all conceptions fall off the uterine wall to be unknowingly
flushed down the toilet, effectively aborting them. That being the case,
since "God" designed the female body to function that way, that makes
"God"
the biggest abortionist ever. So, exactly why would you think "God" is
against abortion given it's implicit participation in the procedure? And
why aren't you out protesting against "God" and his "baby killing"?


turk
--
"Christians, like slaves and soldiers, ask no questions."--Jerry Falwell


Only people who think they are God think they are
capable of making those life and death decisions.


That's the problem with you Republican wingnuts. It ain't none of your
fucking business.


You may choose to avert your eyes from the vast
carnage of human life much as many Germans
did during Hitler's "Final Solution," I choose not
to.

A dead fetus is not a human being. Go take your religious dogma and cshove it up
your *****.

You might want to meditate on your mother's
choice to bring you into this world alive. And thank
her for not aborting you.

Actually, the best part of someone who calls himself
"GW Chimpzilla's Eye-Rack Neocon Utopia " ran
down his father's leg.


--
There are only two kinds of Republicans: Millionaires and fools.

--
There are only two kinds of Republicans: Millionaires and fools.
.

User: "Al Klein"

Title: Re: Is Baby Killing A Civil Right? 09 Sep 2007 10:19:21 PM
On Sun, 09 Sep 2007 22:47:00 -0000, Fuji <fujikamikase@yahoo.com>
wrote:

You may choose to avert your eyes from the vast
carnage of human life much as many Germans
did during Hitler's "Final Solution,"

Godwin's Law.
.




User: ""

Title: Re: Is Baby Killing A Civil Right? 09 Sep 2007 05:45:47 PM
On Sep 9, 3:01 pm, "turk" <tur...@noway.nohow> wrote:

"Sound of Trumpet" <soundoftrum...@mailcan.com> wrote in messagenews:1189359905.561659.302510@r34g2000hsd.googlegroups.com...

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Baby Killing as a Civil Right


About half of all conceptions fall off the uterine wall to be unknowingly
flushed down the toilet, effectively aborting them. That being the case,
since "God" designed the female body to function that way, that makes "God"
the biggest abortionist ever.

And the biggest and most cruel murderer in history
Everything he creates dies, some die horrible deaths
Some are eaten by snakes and lions and bear
Some die of cancer, their bodies eaten away
.


User: "Peacenik"

Title: Re: Is Baby Killing A Civil Right? 10 Sep 2007 08:50:13 AM
"Sound of Trumpet" <soundoftrumpet@mailcan.com> wrote in message
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Baby Killing as a Civil Right

Baby killing is not a right.
Abortion is a right.
Learn the difference, idiot.
--
Posted via a free Usenet account from http://www.teranews.com
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User: "Denis Loubet"

Title: Re: Is Baby Killing A Civil Right? 09 Sep 2007 02:06:47 PM
"Sound of Trumpet" <soundoftrumpet@mailcan.com> wrote in message
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Baby Killing as a Civil Right

Shall we call circumcision amputation? That way, you can be
pro-baby-amputation.
Fucktard.
--
Denis Loubet
dloubet@io.com
http://www.io.com/~dloubet
http://www.ashenempires.com
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User: "quibbler"

Title: Re: Is Baby Killing A Civil Right? 09 Sep 2007 05:45:55 PM
In article <1189359905.561659.302510@r34g2000hsd.googlegroups.com>,
soundoftrumpet@mailcan.com says...

http://lashawnbarber.com/archives/2007/01/22/baby-killing-as-a-civil-right/


Baby Killing as a Civil Right

It's only a civil right, apparently, when religious people practice it as
part of their Holy Babble. Yahweh loved ordering the kiling of babies
back then. You also seem to think it your civil right to beat the *****
out of your children and to brainwash them. As to abortion, which has
nothing to do with babies, but rather fetuses, god seems to like to cause
millions of miscarriages every year as well.
--
Quibbler (quibbler247atyahoo.com)
"It is fashionable to wax apocalyptic about the
threat to humanity posed by the AIDS virus, 'mad cow'
disease, and many others, but I think a case can be
made that faith is one of the world's great evils,
comparable to the smallpox virus but harder to
eradicate." -- Richard Dawkins
.

User: "Bugman"

Title: Re: Is Baby Killing A Civil Right? 09 Sep 2007 01:10:13 PM
Nope. Just a hobby
.

User: "Gwenyth Bennet"

Title: Re: Is Baby Killing A Civil Right? 10 Sep 2007 07:43:43 AM
On Sep 9, 12:45 pm, Sound of Trumpet <soundoftrum...@mailcan.com>
wrote:

http://lashawnbarber.com/archives/2007/01/22/baby-killing-as-a-civil-...

Baby Killing as a Civil Right

God kills babies, as mandated by Himself.
.

User: "Al Klein"

Title: Re: Is Baby Killing A Civil Right? 09 Sep 2007 10:20:44 PM
On Sun, 09 Sep 2007 10:45:05 -0700, Sound of Trumpet
<soundoftrumpet@mailcan.com> wrote:

Baby Killing as a Civil Right

It's a BIBLICAL MANDATE - Numbers 5.
.

User: "Sanitys Little Helper"

Title: Re: Is Baby Killing A Civil Right? 09 Sep 2007 02:18:26 PM
Sound of Trumpet <soundoftrumpet@mailcan.com> wrote in
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alt.atheism:

http://lashawnbarber.com/archives/2007/01/22/baby-killing-as-a-civil-ri
ght/


Baby Killing as a Civil Right

No, it isn't. The pity is that telling lies is.
--
David Silverman C.B.E.
aa #2208
Lord Mayor of Awphucket
Not authentic without this signature.
http://petitions.pm.gov.uk/proselytising/

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User: "Mitchell Holman"

Title: Re: Is Baby Killing A Civil Right? 09 Sep 2007 12:58:44 PM
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right/



Baby Killing as a Civil Right



*** Very important question at the end ***

Black folks sure have come a long way.

We can go anywhere we want to go (except for certain hispanic areas in
Los Angeles County, that is), sit at the back of the bus only if we
want to, and fornicate with people of different races without fear of
incarceration for miscegenation or lynching for race-mixing.

We can vote for the crook of our choice without having to pay poll
taxes or take literacy tests, and we can move to any neighborhood
anywhere in the United States we can afford. If we want to send our
kids to schools with white kids, we won't be harassed or stoned, and
if, on the off chance we are, there's plenty of legal recourse. If
fact, there are whole organizations on call for such occasions,
organizations that exist for the sole purpose of uncovering and
exaggerating the most trivial racial grievance.

We have overcome, indeed.

(By the way, Barack Obama, white liberals' Great Black Hype and would-
be president, is all for child killing.)

Freedom to Kill

The fight for civil rights, defined as those guaranteed in the
Constitution - freedom of speech and religion, the right to due
process of law and to equal protection under the law, etc. - was much
more than a struggle for equality. The movement was about dignity of
the person and first class citizenship in this great country. Blacks
were subjugated by law and practice, and people on the front lines of
the movement risked life and limb so those coming after them would
never experience the outrage of one's own government treating them as
less than human.

Those years of hard work have come to fruition. In 2007 we can, with
impunity, kill our babies in a safe, sterile doctor's office, just
like white people.

We have overcome, indeed.

*** The March for Life rally begins today at noon on the National
Mall. ***

Perhaps my image of the civil rights movement is overly romanticized.

From my perspective, the movement's appeal to "Christian love" and

human dignity included sanctity and preservation of life.

But I'm in error.

Last October, Planned Parenthood joined the Leadership Conference on
Civil Rights, an organization founded at the dawn of the modern civil
rights movement. This isn't news per se, but I thought it was a timely
tidbit for today, the 34th anniversary of Roe v. Wade, the Supreme
Court decision that fashioned a Fourteenth Amendment "right to
privacy" for women to kill their babies in utero.

Says conservative writer and friend Mychal Massie: "How can a civil
rights group that claims to support underprivileged blacks embrace an
organization created expressly to hasten the demise of black people?
People of conscience should be appalled and outraged by this
alignment."

(Hat tip: National Center)

But alas, some blacks only can summon outrage for things like the
dismantling race preferences. I know more than a few who become
unrighteously indignant at the mention of high crime rates among
blacks or the high illegitimacy rate. But they spare no outrage over
the fact that Planned Parenthood targets black areas for its abortion
mills. (See "Marching for life and against the 'Negro Project'"and one
of my earlier efforts, "Through The Fire: 43 Million Sacrifices")

But then again, we have overcome.

Abstinence, Anyone?

Some of you may be wondering how I can adamantly oppose child killing
and out-of-wedlock birth at the same time. It should be obvious, but
if not, allow me to explain. Even if a woman is pregnant without a
husband, I would never, under any circumstances, advocate killing the
child. There are many steps leading up to pregnancy, and I believe the
rate of out-of-wedlock births can be reduced if people learned to make
responsible choices about sex. On this issue I am an absolutist: sex
is for marriage.

As one who's decided to obey God and remain abstinent until marriage
(after years of debauchery), I can tell you it ain't easy sometimes.
And I'm a Christian, a "new woman" in Christ, empowered by the Holy
Spirit to understand the things of God and seek him out. I can't
imagine how much of a struggle it might be for those whose moral
authority extends no higher than themselves. I can give young women
plenty of practical reasons to reserve sex until marriage, but without
the spiritual component, the need to live one's life according to
God's plan, I don't know how effective those reasons would be.

Blogger Dawn Eden, who wrote The Thrill of the Chaste: Finding
Fulfillment While Keeping Your Clothes On, probably is better equipped
to help young women and teens deal with responsible sexual choices.
I'm too extreme. "No sex before marriage, no in-between, period."

(Clarification: That's not to say Dawn isn't extreme, but I rarely
meet people as extreme as I am.)

I haven't read Dawn's book yet, but I'm sure I'll be able to relate to
some of her experiences. She blogs about Planned Parenthood quite
often, so if you want to stay informed about what this group is up to,
make Dawn's blog a regular read.

Blogs for Life

This afternoon I'm speaking on a Blogs for Life "new media" panel at
the Family Research Council, moderated by the wonderful Charmaine
Yoest. There's a live web feed, I'm told. Panelists include Mary
Katharine Ham (who appeared with me on an episode of Michelle Malkin's
Hot Air "Vent;" The main topic was child killing), Rob Bluey, and Tim
Ruchti of Pro Life Blogs. Thanks for the invitation, Joe Carter.

Following the panel, Dr. David Prentice of FRC will discuss stem cell
research.

Morning speakers include Bobby Schindler, brother of Terri Schiavo,
and nurse Jill Stanek of Pro Life Pulse.

Live-blogging at Pro Life Blogs.

Radio show host and blogger Cindy Swanson posts an ultrasound photo of
her grandson.

QUESTION: Sexual abstinence until marriage: unrealistic or do-able?



Update (6:13 p.m.): The panel went well. The discussion focused on
blogging in general rather than pro-life blogging in particular.
Reminded me that I need to do more pro-life blogging.

Dr. David Prentice's stem cell presentation was captivating. That may
sound like a strong word to describe it, but he talked about things
mainstream media don't report. For instance, did you know that adult
stem cells, which don't involve the destruction of human embryos, heal
people, and embryonic stem cells don't? So much information. Adult
stem cell research is supported mostly by private investors because
investors want a return on their money. There's a reason why embryonic
stem cell research is supported by taxpayers. Why are so-called
scientists salivating over embryos? Why do mainstream media fail to
provide balanced coverage of the stem cell research debate?

The new euphemism for cloning is "somatic cell nuclear transfer." Dr.
Prentice said the scientific evidence isn't there to support embryonic
stem research, but even if it were, ethical concerns still remain.
Much more later.

Townhall intern Katie Favazza live-blogged the panel and Dr.
Prentice's presentation and will post more text and pictures later. I
didn't get to see the late Terri Schiavo's brother Bobby Schindler
this morning. I met him at last year's CPAC, but I doubt he remembers
me. I may get to meet his other sister tomorrow when I drop by the
National Right to Life office.

Blogger Peter Shinn is doing much more than blogging about child
killing. He visits the clinics, does some video blogging, and writes
representatives, and he's involved with a group that visits abortion
mills on days they do abortions. They pray for the unborn and the
women and also counsel the women.

Correction: I called Jill Stanek a "former abortion nurse." INCORRECT.
She was a labor and delivery RN who made a gruesome discovery in 1999.
Read all about it.



Update II (1/22 @ 8:43 p.m.): Must-read post from a commenter,
"Changed Life":

"As to abortion. I can speak as to what is wrong with it because I had
one. If some asks now if I have children, I say none living. If they
dare ask what happened, I tell them I murdered my children. I say
children but I only had one abortion. They make me get off the table
and go back into the office and pay them more money because the doctor
says I am too big so I am further along than I think and I have to pay
more money for him to do the abortion. Pay the money, back on the
table, time passes, they wake me up tell me nope they were wrong, I
was just having twins. How did they know it was twins - they counted
arms, legs, heads of what they vacumned out. (No refund by the way).
Guess it wasn't the mass of meaningless unformed tissue they told me
it was if they could count arms and legs.

"30 years ago and it feels like 30 seconds ago.

"I thank God for the peace he has placed in my heart and for his
grace. Amazing Grace that saved a wretch like me."




Update III (1/23 @ 4:43 p.m.): I spent the day with a client, a lawyer
who does pro bono work on right to life cases. She represents patients
whose doctors are about to pull the plug, and she's in D.C. to speak
at an event sponsored by National Right to Life (NRLC).

Bobby Schindler (Terri Schiavo's brother) is also a guest speaker. We
stopped by the NRLC office this afternoon and met Terri's sister
Suzanne Carr, who's in town for the event. Suzanne and Bobby travel
the country talking about pro-life issues and helping families deal
with the same problem they faced with Terri.

I need to get more involved with the right to life movement. There are
so many people out there doing so much good work, but you don't hear
much about it. For instance, if your family member is in the hospital
facing withdrawal of treatment, National Right to Life can put you in
touch with lawyers in your state to help extend plug-pulling deadlines
so you can transfer your loved one to a different facility.

Check out blogger Barbara Curtis's photos from yesterday's March for
Life rally. More rally pics at Human Events.

I forgot to mention yesterday that Ramesh Ponnuru, author of The Party
of Death: The Democrats, the Media, the Courts, and the Disregard for
Human Life, spoke at the Family Research Council's March for Life
conference. I heard only the last part of his presentation (good sense
of humor, given the seriousness of the subject matter) and didn't get
to meet him.


Another reason for all reasonable to stay out of
cesspool that is alt.abortion.
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User: "ike milligan"

Title: Re: Is Baby Killing A Civil Right? 09 Sep 2007 05:16:40 PM
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I don't think babies would ever kill any civil rights.
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