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"rob wade" |
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19 May 2005 02:02:12 PM |
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Is banning the Bible next? |
Is banning the Bible next?
Mark Steyn
If you live pretty much anywhere in the Western world these days,
you'll notice a certain kind of news item cropping up with quiet
regularity. The Irish Times had one last week.
As Liam Reid reported, the Irish Council for Civil Liberties has warned
Catholic bishops that distributing the Vatican's latest statement on
homosexuality could lead to prosecution under the 1989 Incitement to
Hatred Act, and a six-month jail term.
"The document itself may not violate the Act, but if you were to use
the document to say that gays are evil, it is likely to give rise to
hatred, which is against the Act," says Aisling Reidy, director of the
ICCL. "The wording is very strong and certainly goes against the spirit
of the legislation."
No Irish bishop has actually called gays evil yet. But best to be on
the safe side and shut down all debate.
From Dublin, let us zip 6,000 miles to Quesnel, a small paper-mill town
in British Columbia. Chris Kempling is a high-school teacher and a
Christian conservative and he likes writing letters to his local
newspaper. In one of them he said that "homosexuality is not something
to be applauded."
The regulatory body for his profession, the British Columbia College of
Teachers, suspended him for a month without pay for "conduct unbecoming
a member of the college."
No student, parent or fellow teacher at Correlieu Secondary School has
ever complained about Mr. Kempling: he was punished by the BCCT for
expressing an opinion in the paper. The British Columbia Civil
Liberties Association supported the suspension, not because of anything
he's done but because of what he might do in the future. He might
discriminate against gay and lesbian students in the future. He hasn't
done so yet, but, if we don't preemptively punish him now, he might
well commit a hate crime somewhere down the road.
He didn't say gays are evil. But he did say homosexuality wasn't
something to be applauded. And, if we start letting people decide who
they are and aren't going to applaud, there's no telling where it will
end. As in Dublin, best to be on the safe side and shut down all
debate.
In Sweden, meanwhile, they've passed a constitutional amendment making
criticism of homosexuality a crime, punishable by up to four years in
jail. Expressing a moral objection to homosexuality is illegal, even on
religious grounds, even in church. Those preachers may not be talking
about how gays are evil this Sunday. But they might do next week, or
next month. As in Ireland and British Columbia, best to be on the safe
side and shut down all debate.
Anyone sense a trend here? Even in America, where the First Amendment
(on freedom of expression) still just about trumps "hate crimes" law,
you can see where things are headed.
A FEW weeks back, the Senate Judiciary Committee interrogated William
Pryor, attorney-general of Alabama and President George W. Bush's
nominee to the Circuit Court of Appeals. As part of an exhaustive
effort to establish Pryor's unfitness for office, the Democrats delved
into his history of homophobic vacationing.
Was it true, demanded Senator Russ Feingold, that "you even went so far
as to reschedule a family vacation at Disney World in order to avoid
Gay Day?" Gay Day is an annual event at Disney, and Pryor is a
practicing Catholic.
Yes, he even went so far! "My wife and I had two daughters, who at the
time of that vacation were six and four," replied Pryor.
"But are you saying," gasped Senator Feingold in mock astonishment,
"that you actually made that decision on purpose to be away at the time
of that?" He actually did! "We made a value judgment and changed our
plan and went another weekend."
"Well, I appreciate your candor on that," said Feingold, like Perry
Mason on cross-examination, after artfully trapping the witness into an
irreparably damaging admission.
Gay Day has its sweet side - Mickey Mouse and Donald Duck walk around
holding hands, and so do Minnie and Daisy. I always figured Mickey was
gay anyway. But the photographic souvenirs of the day unearthed by
National Review also included a man quaffing on a beer bottle rising
out from the unzipped pants of another chap. I wouldn't advise any
young lady visitor to Disney to try that with her boyfriend: The park
is very rigorously policed the other 364 days of the year.
But the disinclination of a devout Catholic to expose his four-year-old
to the delights of Gay Day now renders one unfit for public office.
Which exactly is the love that dare not speak its name here?
Pryor hasn't made any anti-gay rulings, but he might do one day, if we
allow him to go around avoiding gay carousing on his vacations. Best to
be on the safe side and vote him down now. And any other Catholics who
still take that jazz seriously.
THIRTY YEARS ago, in the early days of gay liberation, most of us
assumed we were being asked to live and let live. But throughout the
Western world, tolerance has become remarkably intolerant, and
diversity demands ruthless conformity. In New Zealand, an appeals court
upheld a nationwide ban on importing a Christian video Gay
Rights/Special Rights: Inside The Homosexual Agenda.
In Saskatchewan, The Saskatoon Star-Phoenix was fined by the Human
Rights Commission for publishing an advertisement quoting biblical
passages on homosexuality. Fining publishers of the Bible surely can't
be far off. The coerciveness of the most "liberal" cultures in the
Western world is not a pretty sight.
Whatever happened to "live and let live?" If I can live with the
occasional rustle from the undergrowth as I'm strolling through a
condom-strewn park or a come-hither look from George Michael in the
men's room, why can't gays live with the occasional expression of
disapproval?
Christian opponents of gay marriage oppose gay marriage, they don't
oppose the right of gays to advocate it. But increasingly gays oppose
the right of Christians to advocate their beliefs. Gay activists have
figured that instead of trying to persuade people to change their
opinions, it's easier just to get them banned.
As Rodney King, celebrated black victim of the LAPD, once plaintively
said, "Why can't we all just get along?"
But, if that's not possible, why can't we all just not get along?
What's so bad about disagreement that it needs to be turned into a
crime?
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| User: "Mark K. Bilbo" |
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19 May 2005 07:46:55 PM |
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In our last episode
<1116526198.570286.114190@f14g2000cwb.googlegroups.com>, rob wade
pirouetted gracefully and with great fanfare proclaimed:
Anyone sense a trend here?
Yes. Your license to hate is being revoked across Western civilization.
--
Mark K. Bilbo - a.a. #1423
EAC Department of Linguistic Subversion
Alt-atheism website at: http://www.alt-atheism.org
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"Come to think of it, there are already a million
monkeys on a million typewriters, and the Usenet
is NOTHING like Shakespeare!" -- Blair Houghton
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| User: "rob wade" |
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19 May 2005 11:30:26 PM |
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Mark K. Bilbo wrote:
In our last episode
<1116526198.570286.114190@f14g2000cwb.googlegroups.com>, rob wade
pirouetted gracefully and with great fanfare proclaimed:
Anyone sense a trend here?
Yes. Your license to hate is being revoked across Western civilization.
I don't hate you Mark. In fact, you are making me hot. There, I said it.
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| User: "RoB WAde" |
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19 May 2005 06:38:08 PM |
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On Thu, 19 May 2005 12:02:12 -0700, rob wade wrote:
Is banning the Bible next?
I'm hot for men.
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| User: "Gregory Gadow" |
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20 May 2005 08:17:14 AM |
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[Inappropriate groups snipped]
rob wade wrote:
Is banning the Bible next?
Mark Steyn
If you live pretty much anywhere in the Western world these days,
you'll notice a certain kind of news item cropping up with quiet
regularity. The Irish Times had one last week.
As Liam Reid reported, the Irish Council for Civil Liberties has warned
Catholic bishops that distributing the Vatican's latest statement on
homosexuality could lead to prosecution under the 1989 Incitement to
Hatred Act, and a six-month jail term.
And if this statement expounded the Christian doctrine that Jews were all
Christ-killers? If it stated dogmatically that black skin was a mark by God
that the person had been cursed with low intelligence and a brutish nature?
Hate is hate, Mr. Wade, no matter how desperate you are to scream
persecution because your theist nonsense insists that hate is good.
"The document itself may not violate the Act, but if you were to use
the document to say that gays are evil, it is likely to give rise to
hatred, which is against the Act," says Aisling Reidy, director of the
ICCL. "The wording is very strong and certainly goes against the spirit
of the legislation."
No Irish bishop has actually called gays evil yet. But best to be on
the safe side and shut down all debate.
Yes. There is still debate over whether gay people are evil, just as there
is still debate over whether Jews use the blood of murdered Christian babies
to make their Passover matzah, whether blacks are fit only for slavery and
whether women are inherently Satan's tools out to corrupt God's perfect
male-only world. All of these beliefs have been propounded for centuries by
the Catholic Church and many other Christian denominations as Holy Dogma.
They are as true as your repeated -- dare I say obsessive -- assertions that
homosexuality is evil.
--
Gregory Gadow
techbear@serv.net
http://www.serv.net/~techbear
"I contend that we are both atheists. I just believe
in one fewer god than you do. When you understand
why you dismiss all the other possible gods, you
will understand why I dismiss yours."
-Stephen F. Roberts
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| User: "RoB WAde" |
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20 May 2005 08:39:45 AM |
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On Fri, 20 May 2005 06:17:14 -0700, Gregory Gadow wrote:
[Inappropriate groups snipped]
rob wade wrote:
Is banning the Bible next?
Mark Steyn
If you live pretty much anywhere in the Western world these days,
you'll notice a certain kind of news item cropping up with quiet
regularity. The Irish Times had one last week.
As Liam Reid reported, the Irish Council for Civil Liberties has warned
Catholic bishops that distributing the Vatican's latest statement on
homosexuality could lead to prosecution under the 1989 Incitement to
Hatred Act, and a six-month jail term.
And if this statement expounded the Christian doctrine that Jews were all
Christ-killers? If it stated dogmatically that black skin was a mark by God
that the person had been cursed with low intelligence and a brutish nature?
Hate is hate, Mr. Wade, no matter how desperate you are to scream
persecution because your theist nonsense insists that hate is good.
"The document itself may not violate the Act, but if you were to use
the document to say that gays are evil, it is likely to give rise to
hatred, which is against the Act," says Aisling Reidy, director of the
ICCL. "The wording is very strong and certainly goes against the spirit
of the legislation."
No Irish bishop has actually called gays evil yet. But best to be on
the safe side and shut down all debate.
Yes. There is still debate over whether gay people are evil, just as there
is still debate over whether Jews use the blood of murdered Christian babies
to make their Passover matzah, whether blacks are fit only for slavery and
whether women are inherently Satan's tools out to corrupt God's perfect
male-only world. All of these beliefs have been propounded for centuries by
the Catholic Church and many other Christian denominations as Holy Dogma.
They are as true as your repeated -- dare I say obsessive -- assertions that
homosexuality is evil.
Oh, don't mind me. It's just my time of the month.
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| User: "Andrealphus" |
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19 May 2005 04:57:11 PM |
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rob wade <rob_c_wade_01@yahoo.com> wrote:
Is banning the Bible next?
One can only hope.
--
"Only Buddhism is compatible with science. It covers the smallest
particles to the largest creations of the cosmos. It is the only
religion capable of scientific truth."
Albert Einstein
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| User: "Daniel Kolle" |
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20 May 2005 04:59:54 PM |
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On Thu, 19 May 2005 21:57:11 GMT, "Andrealphus"
<OHNOLETSGO@NARNIA.WHOCARES_4> thought hard and wrote:
rob wade <rob_c_wade_01@yahoo.com> wrote:
Is banning the Bible next?
One can only hope.
It was only a matter of time before someone would say it...
--
-Daniel "Mr. Brevity" Kolle; 17 A.A. #2035
Koji Kondo, Yo-Yo Ma, Gustav Mahler, Krzysztof Penderecki, and Geirr Tveitt are my Gods.
Head of EAC Denial Department and Madly Insane Scientist.
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| User: "Andrealphus" |
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20 May 2005 05:02:58 PM |
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Daniel Kolle <Daniel.Kolle@gmail.com> wrote:
On Thu, 19 May 2005 21:57:11 GMT, "Andrealphus"
<OHNOLETSGO@NARNIA.WHOCARES_4> thought hard and wrote:
rob wade <rob_c_wade_01@yahoo.com> wrote:
Is banning the Bible next?
One can only hope.
It was only a matter of time before someone would say it...
Well, I personally think that the disappearance of organized religion would
raise the planet's average IQ by at least 100 points.
--
"Only Buddhism is compatible with science. It covers the smallest
particles to the largest creations of the cosmos. It is the only
religion capable of scientific truth."
Albert Einstein
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| User: "Rightard Whitey" |
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20 May 2005 05:26:29 PM |
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Daniel Kolle wrote:
On Thu, 19 May 2005 21:57:11 GMT, "Andrealphus"
<OHNOLETSGO@NARNIA.WHOCARES_4> thought hard and wrote:
rob wade <rob_c_wade_01@yahoo.com> wrote:
Is banning the Bible next?
One can only hope.
It was only a matter of time before someone would say it...
--
-Daniel "Mr. Brevity" Kolle; 17 A.A. #2035
Koji Kondo, Yo-Yo Ma, Gustav Mahler, Krzysztof Penderecki, and Geirr Tveitt are my Gods.
Head of EAC Denial Department and Madly Insane Scientist.
Why would a bronze age goat herder document be banned? Only the fascists
and NAZIs burn books.
--
Mort Sahl: Liberals feel unworthy of their possessions.
Conservatives feel they deserve everything they've stolen.
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| User: "Clayton, The Whore Whisperer" |
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20 May 2005 06:30:16 PM |
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"Rightard Whitey" <eelder1@tampabay.rr.com> wrote in message
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Daniel Kolle wrote:
On Thu, 19 May 2005 21:57:11 GMT, "Andrealphus"
<OHNOLETSGO@NARNIA.WHOCARES_4> thought hard and wrote:
rob wade <rob_c_wade_01@yahoo.com> wrote:
Is banning the Bible next?
One can only hope.
It was only a matter of time before someone would say it...
--
-Daniel "Mr. Brevity" Kolle; 17 A.A. #2035
Koji Kondo, Yo-Yo Ma, Gustav Mahler, Krzysztof Penderecki, and Geirr
Tveitt are my Gods.
Head of EAC Denial Department and Madly Insane Scientist.
Why would a bronze age goat herder document be banned? Only the fascists
and NAZIs burn books.
I burned a Bible once. I wasn't being a Nazi or trying to eliminate it or
anything....it was more to prove to myself that nothing would happen and get
rid of those last lingering bits of indoctrination left over from the first
12 years of my life. It was actually quite freeing. I still had 12 other
Bibles in the house so I only burned one to show myself that I wouldn't be
struck down by lightning. Actually I think it's something every atheist
should do at least once in their life if they still have a few strings of
theism holding them down!!
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| User: "Daniel Kolle" |
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21 May 2005 01:03:23 PM |
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On Fri, 20 May 2005 22:26:29 GMT, Rightard Whitey
<eelder1@tampabay.rr.com> thought hard and wrote:
Daniel Kolle wrote:
On Thu, 19 May 2005 21:57:11 GMT, "Andrealphus"
<OHNOLETSGO@NARNIA.WHOCARES_4> thought hard and wrote:
rob wade <rob_c_wade_01@yahoo.com> wrote:
Is banning the Bible next?
One can only hope.
It was only a matter of time before someone would say it...
--
-Daniel "Mr. Brevity" Kolle; 17 A.A. #2035
Koji Kondo, Yo-Yo Ma, Gustav Mahler, Krzysztof Penderecki, and Geirr Tveitt are my Gods.
Head of EAC Denial Department and Madly Insane Scientist.
Why would a bronze age goat herder document be banned? Only the fascists
and NAZIs burn books.
Only narrow-minded idiots burn books.
--
-Daniel "Mr. Brevity" Kolle; 17 A.A. #2035
Koji Kondo, Yo-Yo Ma, Gustav Mahler, Krzysztof Penderecki, and Geirr Tveitt are my Gods.
Head of EAC Denial Department and Madly Insane Scientist.
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| User: "Andrealphus" |
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20 May 2005 05:36:44 PM |
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Rightard Whitey <eelder1@tampabay.rr.com> wrote:
Daniel Kolle wrote:
On Thu, 19 May 2005 21:57:11 GMT, "Andrealphus"
<OHNOLETSGO@NARNIA.WHOCARES_4> thought hard and wrote:
rob wade <rob_c_wade_01@yahoo.com> wrote:
Is banning the Bible next?
One can only hope.
It was only a matter of time before someone would say it...
--
-Daniel "Mr. Brevity" Kolle; 17 A.A. #2035
Koji Kondo, Yo-Yo Ma, Gustav Mahler, Krzysztof Penderecki, and Geirr
Tveitt are my Gods. Head of EAC Denial Department and Madly Insane
Scientist.
Why would a bronze age goat herder document be banned? Only the
fascists and NAZIs burn books.
Well, I wouldn't actually ban it, but if it just disappeared one day, I
certainly wouldn't miss it.
--
"Only Buddhism is compatible with science. It covers the smallest
particles to the largest creations of the cosmos. It is the only
religion capable of scientific truth."
Albert Einstein
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22 May 2005 07:31:51 PM |
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rob wade wrote:
Is banning the Bible next?
Yes.
(This message has been brought to you by the Society for the
Emasculation of Xians (SEX), which reminds you that, "If sex is a pain
in the *****, use more lube.")
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Little Things They Forget to Mention...
Item #5: Latex has an aftertaste.
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| User: "Sir Marksman" |
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22 May 2005 07:35:48 PM |
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"Dionisio" <moc.rr.thgisni@5ellimd.com> wrote in message
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rob wade wrote:
Is banning the Bible next?
Yes.
Thanks for admitting that is your plan LIEberal.
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| User: "Sven Svorvenvenver" |
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22 May 2005 07:56:32 PM |
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What's the big deal? The bible is just a bunch of lies anyway.
--
Sven
"Sir Marksman" <noneya@youwish.com> wrote in message
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"Dionisio" <moc.rr.thgisni@5ellimd.com> wrote in message
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rob wade wrote:
Is banning the Bible next?
Yes.
Thanks for admitting that is your plan LIEberal.
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| User: "Sir Marksman" |
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22 May 2005 07:59:59 PM |
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"Sven Svorvenvenver" <sven@nospam.net> wrote in message
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What's the big deal? The bible is just a bunch of lies anyway.
Your proof?
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| User: "Sven Svorvenvenver" |
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23 May 2005 12:29:35 AM |
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ROFL. Yeah, ok. I'll disprove anything you prove. How's that?
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Sven
"Sir Marksman" <noneya@youwish.com> wrote in message
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"Sven Svorvenvenver" <sven@nospam.net> wrote in message
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What's the big deal? The bible is just a bunch of lies anyway.
Your proof?
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23 May 2005 06:21:29 AM |
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"Sven Svorvenvenver" <sven@nospam.net> wrote in message
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ROFL. Yeah, ok. I'll disprove anything you prove. How's that?
So you have no proof and are a LIAR. Thanks for admitting it.
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23 May 2005 09:30:14 AM |
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Is your world really that fragile? Hey buddy, believe in the tooth fairy if
you want, but don't ask me to prove he exists FOR you.
--
Sven
"Sir Marksman" <noneya@youwish.com> wrote in message
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"Sven Svorvenvenver" <sven@nospam.net> wrote in message
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ROFL. Yeah, ok. I'll disprove anything you prove. How's that?
So you have no proof and are a LIAR. Thanks for admitting it.
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23 May 2005 09:32:48 AM |
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"Sven Svorvenvenver" <sven@nospam.net> wrote in message
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Is your world really that fragile? Hey buddy, believe in the tooth fairy
if
you want, but don't ask me to prove he exists FOR you.
So you have no proof and are a LIAR. Thanks for admitting it.
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21 May 2005 10:53:54 AM |
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rob wade wrote:
Is banning the Bible next?
Mark Steyn
If you live pretty much anywhere in the Western world these days,
you'll notice a certain kind of news item cropping up with quiet
regularity. The Irish Times had one last week.
As Liam Reid reported, the Irish Council for Civil Liberties has
warned
Catholic bishops that distributing the Vatican's latest statement on
homosexuality could lead to prosecution under the 1989 Incitement to
Hatred Act, and a six-month jail term.
"The document itself may not violate the Act, but if you were to use
the document to say that gays are evil, it is likely to give rise to
hatred, which is against the Act," says Aisling Reidy, director of
the
ICCL. "The wording is very strong and certainly goes against the
spirit
of the legislation."
No Irish bishop has actually called gays evil yet. But best to be on
the safe side and shut down all debate.
From Dublin, let us zip 6,000 miles to Quesnel, a small paper-mill
town
in British Columbia. Chris Kempling is a high-school teacher and a
Christian conservative and he likes writing letters to his local
newspaper. In one of them he said that "homosexuality is not
something
to be applauded."
The regulatory body for his profession, the British Columbia College
of
Teachers, suspended him for a month without pay for "conduct
unbecoming
a member of the college."
No student, parent or fellow teacher at Correlieu Secondary School
has
ever complained about Mr. Kempling: he was punished by the BCCT for
expressing an opinion in the paper. The British Columbia Civil
Liberties Association supported the suspension, not because of
anything
he's done but because of what he might do in the future. He might
discriminate against gay and lesbian students in the future. He
hasn't
done so yet, but, if we don't preemptively punish him now, he might
well commit a hate crime somewhere down the road.
He didn't say gays are evil. But he did say homosexuality wasn't
something to be applauded. And, if we start letting people decide who
they are and aren't going to applaud, there's no telling where it
will
end. As in Dublin, best to be on the safe side and shut down all
debate.
In Sweden, meanwhile, they've passed a constitutional amendment
making
criticism of homosexuality a crime, punishable by up to four years in
jail. Expressing a moral objection to homosexuality is illegal, even
on
religious grounds, even in church. Those preachers may not be talking
about how gays are evil this Sunday. But they might do next week, or
next month. As in Ireland and British Columbia, best to be on the
safe
side and shut down all debate.
Anyone sense a trend here? Even in America, where the First Amendment
(on freedom of expression) still just about trumps "hate crimes" law,
you can see where things are headed.
A FEW weeks back, the Senate Judiciary Committee interrogated William
Pryor, attorney-general of Alabama and President George W. Bush's
nominee to the Circuit Court of Appeals. As part of an exhaustive
effort to establish Pryor's unfitness for office, the Democrats
delved
into his history of homophobic vacationing.
Was it true, demanded Senator Russ Feingold, that "you even went so
far
as to reschedule a family vacation at Disney World in order to avoid
Gay Day?" Gay Day is an annual event at Disney, and Pryor is a
practicing Catholic.
Yes, he even went so far! "My wife and I had two daughters, who at
the
time of that vacation were six and four," replied Pryor.
"But are you saying," gasped Senator Feingold in mock astonishment,
"that you actually made that decision on purpose to be away at the
time
of that?" He actually did! "We made a value judgment and changed our
plan and went another weekend."
"Well, I appreciate your candor on that," said Feingold, like Perry
Mason on cross-examination, after artfully trapping the witness into
an
irreparably damaging admission.
Gay Day has its sweet side - Mickey Mouse and Donald Duck walk around
holding hands, and so do Minnie and Daisy. I always figured Mickey
was
gay anyway. But the photographic souvenirs of the day unearthed by
National Review also included a man quaffing on a beer bottle rising
out from the unzipped pants of another chap. I wouldn't advise any
young lady visitor to Disney to try that with her boyfriend: The park
is very rigorously policed the other 364 days of the year.
But the disinclination of a devout Catholic to expose his
four-year-old
to the delights of Gay Day now renders one unfit for public office.
Which exactly is the love that dare not speak its name here?
Pryor hasn't made any anti-gay rulings, but he might do one day, if
we
allow him to go around avoiding gay carousing on his vacations. Best
to
be on the safe side and vote him down now. And any other Catholics
who
still take that jazz seriously.
THIRTY YEARS ago, in the early days of gay liberation, most of us
assumed we were being asked to live and let live. But throughout the
Western world, tolerance has become remarkably intolerant, and
diversity demands ruthless conformity. In New Zealand, an appeals
court
upheld a nationwide ban on importing a Christian video Gay
Rights/Special Rights: Inside The Homosexual Agenda.
In Saskatchewan, The Saskatoon Star-Phoenix was fined by the Human
Rights Commission for publishing an advertisement quoting biblical
passages on homosexuality. Fining publishers of the Bible surely
can't
be far off. The coerciveness of the most "liberal" cultures in the
Western world is not a pretty sight.
Whatever happened to "live and let live?" If I can live with the
occasional rustle from the undergrowth as I'm strolling through a
condom-strewn park or a come-hither look from George Michael in the
men's room, why can't gays live with the occasional expression of
disapproval?
Christian opponents of gay marriage oppose gay marriage, they don't
oppose the right of gays to advocate it. But increasingly gays oppose
the right of Christians to advocate their beliefs. Gay activists have
figured that instead of trying to persuade people to change their
opinions, it's easier just to get them banned.
We used to burn these people alive or hung them on the
trees. Of course "live and let live" was a mistake,
because it is known for all wise men that these people
will be claiming more rights once they got accepeted
by the rule of "live and let live."
I think we should go back to basics of stonning them to death.
As Rodney King, celebrated black victim of the LAPD, once plaintively
said, "Why can't we all just get along?"
But, if that's not possible, why can't we all just not get along?
What's so bad about disagreement that it needs to be turned into a
crime?
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| Title: Re: Is banning the Bible next? Admit it Rob, you're on F-I-R-E. |
19 May 2005 05:04:00 PM |
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rob wade wrote:
Is banning the Bible next?
Numbnuts doesn't care about the bible, he's never read it. He cares
about spreading his hatred of gays, do to his hidden gay urges and
self-loathing.
Flushing the bible would be better than burning it. It is more
ecologically sound.
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| User: "Gregory Gadow" |
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| Title: Re: Is banning the Bible next? Admit it Rob, you're on F-I-R-E. |
20 May 2005 08:19:41 AM |
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D-word wrote:
rob wade wrote:
Is banning the Bible next?
Numbnuts doesn't care about the bible, he's never read it. He cares
about spreading his hatred of gays, do to his hidden gay urges and
self-loathing.
Flushing the bible would be better than burning it. It is more
ecologically sound.
Bibles tend to clog the septic tank; even bacteria had difficulty
digesting it. If you want an ecological solution, might I recommend
running it through a mulcher then adding it to the compost pile?
--
Gregory Gadow
techbear@serv.net
http://www.serv.net/~techbear
"I contend that we are both atheists. I just believe
in one fewer god than you do. When you understand
why you dismiss all the other possible gods, you
will understand why I dismiss yours."
-Stephen F. Roberts
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| User: "RoB WAde" |
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| Title: Re: Is banning the Bible next? Admit it Rob, you're on F-I-R-E. |
20 May 2005 08:29:30 AM |
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On Thu, 19 May 2005 15:04:00 -0700, D-word wrote:
rob wade wrote:
Is banning the Bible next?
Numbnuts doesn't care about the bible, he's never read it. He cares
about spreading his hatred of gays, do to his hidden gay urges and
self-loathing.
I'm so deep in the closet I can't stand it.
Flushing the bible would be better than burning it. It is more
ecologically sound.
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| User: "Rightard Whitey" |
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| Title: Re: Is banning the Bible next? Admit it Rob, you're on F-I-R-E. |
20 May 2005 09:46:52 AM |
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RoB WAde wrote:
On Thu, 19 May 2005 15:04:00 -0700, D-word wrote:
rob wade wrote:
Is banning the Bible next?
Numbnuts doesn't care about the bible, he's never read it. He cares
about spreading his hatred of gays, do to his hidden gay urges and
self-loathing.
I'm so deep in the closet I can't stand it.
Flushing the bible would be better than burning it. It is more
ecologically sound.
Why would anyone want to ban a historical document written by goat
herding nomads?
--
Mort Sahl: Liberals feel unworthy of their possessions.
Conservatives feel they deserve everything they've stolen.
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| User: "" |
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19 May 2005 10:39:29 PM |
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rob wade wrote:
Is banning the Bible next?
Mark Steyn
The cut-and-paste plagiarist rob *wallow* - as in "wallow in his
own faeces" - strikes (out) again.
Wallow wouldn't know a good argument if he paid Monty Python for one.
Bob Dog
Atheist #153 = 1^3 + 5^3 + 3^3
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"You won't find any opposition to the idea of evolution among
sophisticated, educated theologians. It comes from an
exceedingly retarded, primitive version of religion, which
unfortunately is at present undergoing an epidemic in the
United States."
- Richard Dawkins
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| User: "James" |
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19 May 2005 02:34:07 PM |
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rob wade wrote:
Is banning the Bible next?
Why ban fairy tales? Mother Goose probably isn't going anywhere, so I
wouldn't worry about the bible.
<snip>
Whatever happened to "live and let live?" If I can live with the
occasional rustle from the undergrowth as I'm strolling through a
condom-strewn park or a come-hither look from George Michael in the
men's room, why can't gays live with the occasional expression of
disapproval?
And why can't them silly Negroes just sit in the back of the bus and
shut up?
Because it isn't right.
Christian opponents of gay marriage oppose gay marriage, they don't
oppose the right of gays to advocate it. But increasingly gays oppose
the right of Christians to advocate their beliefs. Gay activists have
figured that instead of trying to persuade people to change their
opinions, it's easier just to get them banned.
Your free speech extends to where it starts violating other people's
rights, unfortunately. If anti-homosexuality arguments stemmed from
anything other than bigotry and religious babble, getting swatted
wouldn't be an issue.
As Rodney King, celebrated black victim of the LAPD, once plaintively
said, "Why can't we all just get along?"
Because some people are so vehement in their prejudice that they
cannot, and probably will never, be able to do so. I'm sure Mr. King
knew all about that.
But, if that's not possible, why can't we all just not get along?
What's so bad about disagreement that it needs to be turned into a
crime?
Very few people are truly interested in constructive disagreement.
This is about recognizing the rights for an entire group of people, not
whether dogs should be able to run around the park without leashes.
Most people that consider themselves as holding a stake in the issue
end up frothing at the mouth for one reason or another.
For that matter, what's up with all the "boo hoo, everyone's holding us
down" theist posts these days?
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| User: "" |
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20 May 2005 09:30:52 AM |
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James wrote:
rob wade wrote:
Is banning the Bible next?
Why ban fairy tales? Mother Goose probably isn't going anywhere, so
I
wouldn't worry about the bible.
<snip>
Whatever happened to "live and let live?" If I can live with the
occasional rustle from the undergrowth as I'm strolling through a
condom-strewn park or a come-hither look from George Michael in the
men's room, why can't gays live with the occasional expression of
disapproval?
And why can't them silly Negroes just sit in the back of the bus and
shut up?
Because it isn't right.
Christian opponents of gay marriage oppose gay marriage, they don't
oppose the right of gays to advocate it. But increasingly gays
oppose
the right of Christians to advocate their beliefs. Gay activists
have
figured that instead of trying to persuade people to change their
opinions, it's easier just to get them banned.
Your free speech extends to where it starts violating other people's
rights, unfortunately.
I think that the whole debate this article throws up is where exactly
is the limit of this extension? Vatican documents tend to say things
like "homosexuality is gravely disordered", is a "moral evil". That
sort of stuff. If this kind otalk runs the risk of prosecution under
incitement-to-hatred law, where does that leave the "you shall burn in
hell for all eternity" Bible?
In essence, *how* does this guff - as distinct from any violence etc
that it might actually incite - *actually* impact on other peoples'
rights? Which rights?
I think Steyn is essentially correct in his argument. People should be
allowed to say and think what they like to the greatest possible
extent. They don't have to be right and the law can't punish them for
being wrong.
If anti-homosexuality arguments stemmed from
anything other than bigotry and religious babble, getting swatted
wouldn't be an issue.
As Rodney King, celebrated black victim of the LAPD, once
plaintively
said, "Why can't we all just get along?"
Because some people are so vehement in their prejudice that they
cannot, and probably will never, be able to do so. I'm sure Mr. King
knew all about that.
But, if that's not possible, why can't we all just not get along?
What's so bad about disagreement that it needs to be turned into a
crime?
Very few people are truly interested in constructive disagreement.
This is about recognizing the rights for an entire group of people,
not
whether dogs should be able to run around the park without leashes.
Most people that consider themselves as holding a stake in the issue
end up frothing at the mouth for one reason or another.
For that matter, what's up with all the "boo hoo, everyone's holding
us
down" theist posts these days?
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| User: "James" |
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20 May 2005 10:10:46 AM |
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wrote:
James wrote:
rob wade wrote:
Is banning the Bible next?
Why ban fairy tales? Mother Goose probably isn't going anywhere,
so
I
wouldn't worry about the bible.
<snip>
Whatever happened to "live and let live?" If I can live with the
occasional rustle from the undergrowth as I'm strolling through a
condom-strewn park or a come-hither look from George Michael in
the
men's room, why can't gays live with the occasional expression of
disapproval?
And why can't them silly Negroes just sit in the back of the bus
and
shut up?
Because it isn't right.
Christian opponents of gay marriage oppose gay marriage, they
don't
oppose the right of gays to advocate it. But increasingly gays
oppose
the right of Christians to advocate their beliefs. Gay activists
have
figured that instead of trying to persuade people to change their
opinions, it's easier just to get them banned.
Your free speech extends to where it starts violating other
people's
rights, unfortunately.
I think that the whole debate this article throws up is where exactly
is the limit of this extension? Vatican documents tend to say things
like "homosexuality is gravely disordered", is a "moral evil". That
sort of stuff. If this kind otalk runs the risk of prosecution under
incitement-to-hatred law, where does that leave the "you shall burn
in
hell for all eternity" Bible?
In essence, *how* does this guff - as distinct from any violence etc
that it might actually incite - *actually* impact on other peoples'
rights? Which rights?
I think Steyn is essentially correct in his argument. People should
be
allowed to say and think what they like to the greatest possible
extent. They don't have to be right and the law can't punish them for
being wrong.
You have the right to think whatever you want, regardless of how
bigoted or stupid the thoughts might be. You do not, unfortunately,
have the right to abuse others according to your religious, cultural,
or traditional systems. I know that "freedom of religion" is a big
thing religious folk bandy about nowdays, but it's completely absurd;
free speech is a wonderful thing, but the downside is that few people
know when to shut the hell up. If they need to have that imaginary
line explained to them, then so be it.
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| User: "" |
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| Title: Re: Is banning the Bible next? |
21 May 2005 04:58:53 AM |
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James wrote:
cavello@yahoo.com wrote:
James wrote:
rob wade wrote:
Is banning the Bible next?
Why ban fairy tales? Mother Goose probably isn't going anywhere,
so
I
wouldn't worry about the bible.
<snip>
Whatever happened to "live and let live?" If I can live with
the
occasional rustle from the undergrowth as I'm strolling through
a
condom-strewn park or a come-hither look from George Michael in
the
men's room, why can't gays live with the occasional expression
of
disapproval?
And why can't them silly Negroes just sit in the back of the bus
and
shut up?
Because it isn't right.
Christian opponents of gay marriage oppose gay marriage, they
don't
oppose the right of gays to advocate it. But increasingly gays
oppose
the right of Christians to advocate their beliefs. Gay
activists
have
figured that instead of trying to persuade people to change
their
opinions, it's easier just to get them banned.
Your free speech extends to where it starts violating other
people's
rights, unfortunately.
I think that the whole debate this article throws up is where
exactly
is the limit of this extension? Vatican documents tend to say
things
like "homosexuality is gravely disordered", is a "moral evil". That
sort of stuff. If this kind otalk runs the risk of prosecution
under
incitement-to-hatred law, where does that leave the "you shall burn
in
hell for all eternity" Bible?
In essence, *how* does this guff - as distinct from any violence
etc
that it might actually incite - *actually* impact on other peoples'
rights? Which rights?
I think Steyn is essentially correct in his argument. People should
be
allowed to say and think what they like to the greatest possible
extent. They don't have to be right and the law can't punish them
for
being wrong.
You have the right to think whatever you want, regardless of how
bigoted or stupid the thoughts might be. You do not, unfortunately,
have the right to abuse others according to your religious, cultural,
or traditional systems.
*****. Of course you do. It's called free speech, *****. Oh *****,
I just abused you according to my 'cultural systems'. How many years in
jail do I get for that?
I know that "freedom of religion" is a big
thing religious folk bandy about nowdays, but it's completely absurd;
No it isn't. It simply means that each of us has the right to follow
whatever religious beleifs and practices we like as long as it doesn't
impact on the rights of others. Telling other people that you think
they're going to go to Hell for being gay (or for any other reason for
that matter) doesn't impact on anyone's rights.
free speech is a wonderful thing, but the downside is that few people
know when to shut the hell up. If they need to have that imaginary
line explained to them, then so be it.
The line in imaginary in the sense that you've invented it.
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