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"Fredric L. Rice" |
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02 Jun 2004 12:01:38 AM |
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Is Bush Doing The Work Of (the Christian) God? |
Is Bush Doing The Work Of God?
Dr. Gerry Lower, Keystone, South Dakota
Either Bush is doing the work of God or he is not.
If God Were on Bush's side:
If God were on Bush's side (as Bush claims God to be) and if Bush were
actually doing the work of God in the world, then it is empirically
self-evident that Bush's God has not been doing a very good job of being on
Bush's side. Bush sidetracked his own "war on terrorism" with his
preemptory
war on Iraq and he has only made terrorism and the Middle Eastern political
situation into a deepening quagmire. If God were on Bush's side, then we
(the people) have certainly seen no empirical evidence in support ofthat
contension. We, the people, have been restricted to Bush's "bubble "world
of
faith in faith itself.
If God is not on Bush's side and if Bush is not doing the work of God in
the
world, then we (the people) see empirical evidence of that Godlessness with
every passing day. In this case, of course, Bush must be doing someone
else's work, i.e., the neo-conservative work of those with an agenda other
than Democracy and human rights.
If Bush were on God's side:
If Bush were on God's side, he would keep his self-righteous smirk to
himself. He would abandon faith in his Old Testament supernatural "god" and
renew his faith in the people and in Jefferson's God of all people. He
would
abandon belligerence in the world and establish fair and honest
relationships with the world's established democracies. He would reaffirm
the values of democracy over capitalism and the values of nascent
Christianity over Old Testament religion. He would embrace the concept of
human rights and disavow the political corruption of the Bush dynastic
family and America's corporate aristocracy in favor of a government of, by
and for the people.
None of these acts of atonement (at-one-ment) in striving to be on God's
side are possible for George W. Bush, not without a genuine spiritual
rebirth and the abandonment of most of what Bush has adopted since going
"dry" and being "reborn" in Billie Graham's image. Given Bush's disregard
for knowledge (outside of the Cabinet loop) and his disregard for
introspection and self-knowledge, Bush's only hope to sit on God's right
hand is to simply remove himself from office. --posted 05.23.04
http://www.bushwatch.net
---
Scientology tries to disrupt terrorist attacks relief efforts: http://www.cosvm.org/
"Bush is doing what's necessary to keep the military in top form." -- David Wilson
"Top form for an S&M porno." == Jingo
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05 Jun 2004 09:56:36 AM |
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"Fredric L. Rice" <REMOVEFRice@SkepticTank.ORG> wrote
Is Bush Doing The Work Of God?
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Why do so many people castigate newsworthy figures by somehow
trying to ridicule that person's personal association with his God?
By doing so, they are abundantly proving that they have no belief
in God for themselves. It is not for any of us to make a judgement
whether or not any person is acting from his conscience and heartfelt
religious morality. Too many, while pointing the finger at Bush as a
confessed Christian, have three of their own fingers pointing back at
themselves as hypocritical blowhards. Whether you love or hate Bush
as a politician, as a military commander-in-chief, as a father and
husband ... you have only (for the moment) John Kerry to consider
as an alternative. Good Grief! As if Kerry were really some kind of
true and viable alternative! Here is a wanton murderer of babies, real
human babies! Here is a person that fabricated the details of his own
medals in wartime, even to the submission of his own paperwork ...
and despite the testimony of the actual physicians who tended him.
Kerry is a person who disparaged the honor of countless thousands of
Vietnam veterans who did their duty instead of running to Canada.
AT LEAST Kerry could have done the honorable thing and faced the
music at home through court action like Mohammed Ali. Here is
Kerry, a multimillionaire (mainly his wife's moolah) that claims to
empathize with us poor folk, while he lives in magnificent splendor.
Love him or hate him .. Bush is the ONLY choice you have. And, he
is a real Christian, living a Christian life, and making only political
decisions that he and his cabinet hash out. And, no amount of lies
and cheatery by Kerry is going to gain him the White House.
Remember where you read it.
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| User: "Jez" |
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06 Jun 2004 06:02:57 AM |
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"Praetorian" <praetorian.@insightbb.com> wrote in message
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"Fredric L. Rice" <REMOVEFRice@SkepticTank.ORG> wrote
Is Bush Doing The Work Of God?
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Why do so many people castigate newsworthy figures by somehow
trying to ridicule that person's personal association with his God?
By doing so, they are abundantly proving that they have no belief
in God for themselves.
Hey ! Welcome to alt.atheism !
There is no 'God', twit !
It is not for any of us to make a judgement
whether or not any person is acting from his conscience and heartfelt
religious morality.
Conscience !!!! Bush !!!! Eeeeeechhh !
Your joking right ?....
Too many, while pointing the finger at Bush as a
confessed Christian, have three of their own fingers pointing back at
themselves as hypocritical blowhards. Whether you love or hate Bush
as a politician, as a military commander-in-chief, as a father and
husband ... you have only (for the moment) John Kerry to consider
as an alternative. Good Grief! As if Kerry were really some kind of
true and viable alternative! Here is a wanton murderer of babies, real
human babies! Here is a person that fabricated the details of his own
medals in wartime, even to the submission of his own paperwork ...
Whereas the coward Bush mearly went AWOL !
and despite the testimony of the actual physicians who tended him.
Kerry is a person who disparaged the honor of countless thousands of
Vietnam veterans who did their duty instead of running to Canada.
AT LEAST Kerry could have done the honorable thing and faced the
music at home through court action like Mohammed Ali. Here is
Kerry, a multimillionaire (mainly his wife's moolah) that claims to
empathize with us poor folk, while he lives in magnificent splendor.
And Bush is a poor peasant eh ?
Love him or hate him .. Bush is the ONLY choice you have.
Not really a choice then is it ?
And, he
is a real Christian, living a Christian life,
Where does the bible say a true 'christian' can wage illegal invasions
of countries that pose no international threat ?
and making only political
decisions that he and his cabinet hash out. And, no amount of lies
and cheatery by Kerry is going to gain him the White House.
Remember where you read it.
Yeah I will........in a post written by a fucking idiot !
--
Jez
"The condition of alienation, of being asleep, of being unconscious,
of being out of one's mind, is the condition of the normal man. Society
highly values its normal man.It educates children to lose themselves
and to become absurd,and thus to be normal. Normal men have killed
perhaps 100,000,000 of their fellow normal men in the last fifty years."
R.D. Laing
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| User: "Fredric L. Rice" |
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06 Jun 2004 01:03:40 AM |
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"Praetorian" <praetorian.@insightbb.com> wrote:
"Fredric L. Rice" <REMOVEFRice@SkepticTank.ORG> wrote
Is Bush Doing The Work Of God?
Why do so many people castigate newsworthy figures by somehow
trying to ridicule that person's personal association with his God?
There's no "ridicule" involved. What _is_ involved is the insane
religious kook's slaughtering of innocent Muslims as part of the
endless parade of atrocities such Christians commit against Muslims
because their Christian gods tell them to.
Didn't the world see enough of what religion means on September 11'th?
Now Bush comes along and slaughters tens of millions of innocent
Muslims for his Christian gods.
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Scientology tries to disrupt terrorist attacks relief efforts: http://www.cosvm.org/
"Bush is doing what's necessary to keep the military in top form." -- David Wilson
"Top form for an S&M porno." == Jingo
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| User: "Praetorian" |
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05 Jun 2004 06:08:25 PM |
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"Fredric L. Rice" <REMOVEFRice@SkepticTank.ORG> wrote
Now Bush comes along and slaughters tens of millions of innocent
Muslims for his Christian gods. .....
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????????????? You have completely lost your mind. Where
did this drivel comes from?
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| User: "Lord Calvert" |
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05 Jun 2004 11:52:27 AM |
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Why do so many people castigate newsworthy figures by somehow
trying to ridicule that person's personal association with his God?
Works when we castigate Osama bin Laden. We just don't see any difference
between bin Laden's fundamentalism and Bush's.
Rich Goranson, Amherst, NY, USA (aa#MCMXCIX, a-vet#1)
EAC Department of Applied Rattan Use
"Without faith we might relapse into scientific or rational thinking, which
leads by a slippery slope toward constitutional democracy." - Robert Anton
Wilson
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| User: "Christopher A. Lee" |
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05 Jun 2004 10:14:21 AM |
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On Sat, 05 Jun 2004 14:56:36 GMT, "Praetorian"
<praetorian.@insightbb.com> wrote:
"Fredric L. Rice" <REMOVEFRice@SkepticTank.ORG> wrote
Is Bush Doing The Work Of God?
============================================
Why do so many people castigate newsworthy figures by somehow
trying to ridicule that person's personal association with his God?
We don't. They do that to themselves.
By doing so, they are abundantly proving that they have no belief
in God for themselves. It is not for any of us to make a judgement
whether or not any person is acting from his conscience and heartfelt
religious morality. Too many, while pointing the finger at Bush as a
confessed Christian, have three of their own fingers pointing back at
themselves as hypocritical blowhards.
Why do you lie? The reason it is an issue is because he imposes his
version of Christianity on everybody else. He starts and wages a holy
war against a country that posed no threat to us.
Whether you love or hate Bush
as a politician, as a military commander-in-chief, as a father and
husband ... you have only (for the moment) John Kerry to consider
as an alternative.
Anything is better than the madman and his insane cohorts who are
running the country.
Good Grief! As if Kerry were really some kind of
true and viable alternative! Here is a wanton murderer of babies, real
human babies!
Why do you lie?
Here is a person that fabricated the details of his own
medals in wartime, even to the submission of his own paperwork ...
and despite the testimony of the actual physicians who tended him.
Why do you lie?
Kerry is a person who disparaged the honor of countless thousands of
Vietnam veterans who did their duty instead of running to Canada.
Why do you lie?
AT LEAST Kerry could have done the honorable thing and faced the
music at home through court action like Mohammed Ali. Here is
Kerry, a multimillionaire (mainly his wife's moolah) that claims to
empathize with us poor folk, while he lives in magnificent splendor.
When are you ever going to have somebody who isn't a multimillionaire
as president?
It takes money.
Love him or hate him .. Bush is the ONLY choice you have. And, he
is a real Christian, living a Christian life, and making only political
He exemplifies all that is wrong with fundamentalist Christianity.
decisions that he and his cabinet hash out. And, no amount of lies
and cheatery by Kerry is going to gain him the White House.
Bush is an evil, sociopathic megalomaniac who imagines he has God on
his side, and who imagines he is doing God's work.
It interferes with doing his job.
Apart from the fundies, everybody else wants a change.
Remember where you read it.
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| User: "Zaphod \stil prez" |
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02 Jun 2004 12:13:51 AM |
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"Fredric L. Rice" <REMOVEFRice@SkepticTank.ORG> wrote in message
news:10bqntvf74tp7ee@corp.supernews.com...
Is Bush Doing The Work Of God?
Dr. Gerry Lower, Keystone, South Dakota
Either Bush is doing the work of God or he is not.
If God Were on Bush's side:
If God were on Bush's side (as Bush claims God to be) and if Bush were
actually doing the work of God in the world, then it is empirically
self-evident that Bush's God has not been doing a very good job of being
on
Bush's side. Bush sidetracked his own "war on terrorism" with his
preemptory
war on Iraq and he has only made terrorism and the Middle Eastern
political
situation into a deepening quagmire. If God were on Bush's side, then we
(the people) have certainly seen no empirical evidence in support ofthat
contension. We, the people, have been restricted to Bush's "bubble "world
of
faith in faith itself.
If God is not on Bush's side and if Bush is not doing the work of God in
the
world, then we (the people) see empirical evidence of that Godlessness
with
every passing day. In this case, of course, Bush must be doing someone
else's work, i.e., the neo-conservative work of those with an agenda other
than Democracy and human rights.
If Bush were on God's side:
If Bush were on God's side, he would keep his self-righteous smirk to
himself. He would abandon faith in his Old Testament supernatural "god"
and
renew his faith in the people and in Jefferson's God of all people. He
would
abandon belligerence in the world and establish fair and honest
relationships with the world's established democracies. He would reaffirm
the values of democracy over capitalism and the values of nascent
Christianity over Old Testament religion. He would embrace the concept of
human rights and disavow the political corruption of the Bush dynastic
family and America's corporate aristocracy in favor of a government of, by
and for the people.
None of these acts of atonement (at-one-ment) in striving to be on God's
side are possible for George W. Bush, not without a genuine spiritual
rebirth and the abandonment of most of what Bush has adopted since going
"dry" and being "reborn" in Billie Graham's image. Given Bush's disregard
for knowledge (outside of the Cabinet loop) and his disregard for
introspection and self-knowledge, Bush's only hope to sit on God's right
hand is to simply remove himself from office. --posted 05.23.04
http://www.bushwatch.net
I'm on everybody side. I have no favorites, from your President Bush to the
lowest Arab, I love you all. I can not love one of my children any more or
less then the other. I love you all.
God
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05 Jun 2004 04:46:29 PM |
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"Zaphod \"stil prez\"" <zaphodB@safe-mail.net> wrote in message news:<yjdvc.1122$F2.290@bignews6.bellsouth.net>...
"Fredric L. Rice" <REMOVEFRice@SkepticTank.ORG> wrote in message
news:10bqntvf74tp7ee@corp.supernews.com...
Is Bush Doing The Work Of God?
Dr. Gerry Lower, Keystone, South Dakota
Either Bush is doing the work of God or he is not.
If God Were on Bush's side:
If God were on Bush's side (as Bush claims God to be) and if Bush were
actually doing the work of God in the world, then it is empirically
self-evident that Bush's God has not been doing a very good job of being
on
Bush's side. Bush sidetracked his own "war on terrorism" with his
preemptory
war on Iraq and he has only made terrorism and the Middle Eastern
political
situation into a deepening quagmire. If God were on Bush's side, then we
(the people) have certainly seen no empirical evidence in support ofthat
contension. We, the people, have been restricted to Bush's "bubble "world
of
faith in faith itself.
If God is not on Bush's side and if Bush is not doing the work of God in
the
world, then we (the people) see empirical evidence of that Godlessness
with
every passing day. In this case, of course, Bush must be doing someone
else's work, i.e., the neo-conservative work of those with an agenda other
than Democracy and human rights.
If Bush were on God's side:
If Bush were on God's side, he would keep his self-righteous smirk to
himself. He would abandon faith in his Old Testament supernatural "god"
and
renew his faith in the people and in Jefferson's God of all people. He
would
abandon belligerence in the world and establish fair and honest
relationships with the world's established democracies. He would reaffirm
the values of democracy over capitalism and the values of nascent
Christianity over Old Testament religion. He would embrace the concept of
human rights and disavow the political corruption of the Bush dynastic
family and America's corporate aristocracy in favor of a government of, by
and for the people.
None of these acts of atonement (at-one-ment) in striving to be on God's
side are possible for George W. Bush, not without a genuine spiritual
rebirth and the abandonment of most of what Bush has adopted since going
"dry" and being "reborn" in Billie Graham's image. Given Bush's disregard
for knowledge (outside of the Cabinet loop) and his disregard for
introspection and self-knowledge, Bush's only hope to sit on God's right
hand is to simply remove himself from office. --posted 05.23.04
http://www.bushwatch.net
I'm on everybody side. I have no favorites, from your President Bush to the
lowest Arab, I love you all. I can not love one of my children any more or
less then the other. I love you all.
God
What do you want for your birthday?
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| User: "Zaphod \stil prez" |
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06 Jun 2004 09:36:46 AM |
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"MrPepper11" <MrPepper11@go.com> wrote in message
news:57cfd534.0406051346.6f59e759@posting.google.com...
"Zaphod \"stil prez\"" <zaphodB@safe-mail.net> wrote in message
news:<yjdvc.1122$F2.290@bignews6.bellsouth.net>...
"Fredric L. Rice" <REMOVEFRice@SkepticTank.ORG> wrote in message
news:10bqntvf74tp7ee@corp.supernews.com...
Is Bush Doing The Work Of God?
Dr. Gerry Lower, Keystone, South Dakota
Either Bush is doing the work of God or he is not.
If God Were on Bush's side:
If God were on Bush's side (as Bush claims God to be) and if Bush were
actually doing the work of God in the world, then it is empirically
self-evident that Bush's God has not been doing a very good job of
being
on
Bush's side. Bush sidetracked his own "war on terrorism" with his
preemptory
war on Iraq and he has only made terrorism and the Middle Eastern
political
situation into a deepening quagmire. If God were on Bush's side, then
we
(the people) have certainly seen no empirical evidence in support
ofthat
contension. We, the people, have been restricted to Bush's "bubble
"world
of
faith in faith itself.
If God is not on Bush's side and if Bush is not doing the work of God
in
the
world, then we (the people) see empirical evidence of that Godlessness
with
every passing day. In this case, of course, Bush must be doing someone
else's work, i.e., the neo-conservative work of those with an agenda
other
than Democracy and human rights.
If Bush were on God's side:
If Bush were on God's side, he would keep his self-righteous smirk to
himself. He would abandon faith in his Old Testament supernatural
"god"
and
renew his faith in the people and in Jefferson's God of all people. He
would
abandon belligerence in the world and establish fair and honest
relationships with the world's established democracies. He would
reaffirm
the values of democracy over capitalism and the values of nascent
Christianity over Old Testament religion. He would embrace the concept
of
human rights and disavow the political corruption of the Bush dynastic
family and America's corporate aristocracy in favor of a government
of, by
and for the people.
None of these acts of atonement (at-one-ment) in striving to be on
God's
side are possible for George W. Bush, not without a genuine spiritual
rebirth and the abandonment of most of what Bush has adopted since
going
"dry" and being "reborn" in Billie Graham's image. Given Bush's
disregard
for knowledge (outside of the Cabinet loop) and his disregard for
introspection and self-knowledge, Bush's only hope to sit on God's
right
hand is to simply remove himself from office. --posted 05.23.04
http://www.bushwatch.net
I'm on everybody side. I have no favorites, from your President Bush to
the
lowest Arab, I love you all. I can not love one of my children any more
or
less then the other. I love you all.
God
What do you want for your birthday?
For all of you to forget about me, or rather I exist or not. Just take care
of each other and I'll be fine.
God
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| User: "Brainfried" |
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02 Jun 2004 12:50:06 AM |
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On Wed, 02 Jun 2004 00:13:51 -0500, Zaphod "stil prez" wrote:
"Fredric L. Rice" <REMOVEFRice@SkepticTank.ORG> wrote in message
news:10bqntvf74tp7ee@corp.supernews.com...
Is Bush Doing The Work Of God?
Dr. Gerry Lower, Keystone, South Dakota
Either Bush is doing the work of God or he is not.
If God Were on Bush's side:
If God were on Bush's side (as Bush claims God to be) and if Bush were
actually doing the work of God in the world, then it is empirically
self-evident that Bush's God has not been doing a very good job of being
on
Bush's side. Bush sidetracked his own "war on terrorism" with his
preemptory
war on Iraq and he has only made terrorism and the Middle Eastern
political
situation into a deepening quagmire. If God were on Bush's side, then we
(the people) have certainly seen no empirical evidence in support ofthat
contension. We, the people, have been restricted to Bush's "bubble "world
of
faith in faith itself.
If God is not on Bush's side and if Bush is not doing the work of God in
the
world, then we (the people) see empirical evidence of that Godlessness
with
every passing day. In this case, of course, Bush must be doing someone
else's work, i.e., the neo-conservative work of those with an agenda other
than Democracy and human rights.
If Bush were on God's side:
If Bush were on God's side, he would keep his self-righteous smirk to
himself. He would abandon faith in his Old Testament supernatural "god"
and
renew his faith in the people and in Jefferson's God of all people. He
would
abandon belligerence in the world and establish fair and honest
relationships with the world's established democracies. He would reaffirm
the values of democracy over capitalism and the values of nascent
Christianity over Old Testament religion. He would embrace the concept of
human rights and disavow the political corruption of the Bush dynastic
family and America's corporate aristocracy in favor of a government of, by
and for the people.
None of these acts of atonement (at-one-ment) in striving to be on God's
side are possible for George W. Bush, not without a genuine spiritual
rebirth and the abandonment of most of what Bush has adopted since going
"dry" and being "reborn" in Billie Graham's image. Given Bush's disregard
for knowledge (outside of the Cabinet loop) and his disregard for
introspection and self-knowledge, Bush's only hope to sit on God's right
hand is to simply remove himself from office. --posted 05.23.04
http://www.bushwatch.net
I'm on everybody side. I have no favorites, from your President Bush to the
lowest Arab, I love you all. I can not love one of my children any more or
less then the other. I love you all.
God
More like God is laughing his ***** off at how stupid his children are.
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| User: "Zaphod \stil prez" |
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02 Jun 2004 01:13:43 AM |
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"Brainfried" <no@way.com> wrote in message
news:pan.2004.06.02.05.50.03.471959@way.com...
On Wed, 02 Jun 2004 00:13:51 -0500, Zaphod "stil prez" wrote:
"Fredric L. Rice" <REMOVEFRice@SkepticTank.ORG> wrote in message
news:10bqntvf74tp7ee@corp.supernews.com...
Is Bush Doing The Work Of God?
Dr. Gerry Lower, Keystone, South Dakota
Either Bush is doing the work of God or he is not.
If God Were on Bush's side:
If God were on Bush's side (as Bush claims God to be) and if Bush were
actually doing the work of God in the world, then it is empirically
self-evident that Bush's God has not been doing a very good job of
being
on
Bush's side. Bush sidetracked his own "war on terrorism" with his
preemptory
war on Iraq and he has only made terrorism and the Middle Eastern
political
situation into a deepening quagmire. If God were on Bush's side, then
we
(the people) have certainly seen no empirical evidence in support
ofthat
contension. We, the people, have been restricted to Bush's "bubble
"world
of
faith in faith itself.
If God is not on Bush's side and if Bush is not doing the work of God
in
the
world, then we (the people) see empirical evidence of that Godlessness
with
every passing day. In this case, of course, Bush must be doing someone
else's work, i.e., the neo-conservative work of those with an agenda
other
than Democracy and human rights.
If Bush were on God's side:
If Bush were on God's side, he would keep his self-righteous smirk to
himself. He would abandon faith in his Old Testament supernatural "god"
and
renew his faith in the people and in Jefferson's God of all people. He
would
abandon belligerence in the world and establish fair and honest
relationships with the world's established democracies. He would
reaffirm
the values of democracy over capitalism and the values of nascent
Christianity over Old Testament religion. He would embrace the concept
of
human rights and disavow the political corruption of the Bush dynastic
family and America's corporate aristocracy in favor of a government of,
by
and for the people.
None of these acts of atonement (at-one-ment) in striving to be on
God's
side are possible for George W. Bush, not without a genuine spiritual
rebirth and the abandonment of most of what Bush has adopted since
going
"dry" and being "reborn" in Billie Graham's image. Given Bush's
disregard
for knowledge (outside of the Cabinet loop) and his disregard for
introspection and self-knowledge, Bush's only hope to sit on God's
right
hand is to simply remove himself from office. --posted 05.23.04
http://www.bushwatch.net
I'm on everybody side. I have no favorites, from your President Bush to
the
lowest Arab, I love you all. I can not love one of my children any more
or
less then the other. I love you all.
God
More like God is laughing his ***** off at how stupid his children are.
Yes I am, who do you think wrote the first joke? Hey have you heard the one
about the Buddhist, the Hindu and the squid that walked into a bar? Of
forget it, I know you know the punch line.
God
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| User: "Vic Sagerquist" |
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02 Jun 2004 08:57:10 AM |
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One day in alt.atheism, Also Sprach Zaphod "stil prez":
I'm on everybody side. I have no favorites, from your President Bush to
the lowest Arab, I love you all. I can not love one of my children any
more or less then the other. I love you all.
God
You "love" me? You don't even *know* me.
--
Vic Sagerquist
aa#2011
Supervisor, EAC Department of little adhesive-backed "L" shaped
chrome-plastic doo-dads to add feet to Jesus fish department.
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It's my funeral and I'll fry if I want to...
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| User: "Therion Ware" |
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| Title: Re: Is Bush Doing The Work Of (the Christian) God? |
02 Jun 2004 09:07:27 AM |
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On Wed, 02 Jun 2004 08:57:10 -0500 in alt.atheism, Vic Sagerquist
(address@withheld.com (Vic Sagerquist)) said, directing the reply to
alt.atheism
One day in alt.atheism, Also Sprach Zaphod "stil prez":
I'm on everybody side. I have no favorites, from your President Bush to
the lowest Arab, I love you all. I can not love one of my children any
more or less then the other. I love you all.
God
You "love" me? You don't even *know* me.
Oh my dear, don't you know a come-on when you see one?
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"Do Unto Others As You Would Have Them Do Unto You."
- Attrib: Pauline Reage.
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See: <http://www.Video2CD.com>. 35.00 gets your video on DVD.
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| User: "Zaphod \stil prez" |
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| Title: Re: Is Bush Doing The Work Of (the Christian) God? |
02 Jun 2004 10:33:33 AM |
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"Vic Sagerquist" <address@withheld.com> wrote in message
news:94FC47929vicman@127.0.0.1...
One day in alt.atheism, Also Sprach Zaphod "stil prez":
I'm on everybody side. I have no favorites, from your President Bush to
the lowest Arab, I love you all. I can not love one of my children any
more or less then the other. I love you all.
God
You "love" me? You don't even *know* me.
Love you just the same.
It's my funeral and I'll fry if I want to...
You will never fry. I would not create a universe with such dicey rules, you
are safe, will always be safe and will always be loved.
God
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| User: "Vic Sagerquist" |
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02 Jun 2004 01:07:53 PM |
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One day in alt.atheism, Also Sprach Zaphod "stil prez":
"Vic Sagerquist" <address@withheld.com> wrote in message
news:94FC47929vicman@127.0.0.1...
One day in alt.atheism, Also Sprach Zaphod "stil prez":
I'm on everybody side. I have no favorites, from your President Bush
to the lowest Arab, I love you all. I can not love one of my children
any more or less then the other. I love you all.
God
You "love" me? You don't even *know* me.
Love you just the same.
It's my funeral and I'll fry if I want to...
You will never fry. I would not create a universe with such dicey rules,
you are safe, will always be safe and will always be loved.
God
Eww. Get away from me...
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Vic Sagerquist
aa#2011
Supervisor, EAC Department of little adhesive-backed "L" shaped
chrome-plastic doo-dads to add feet to Jesus fish department.
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It's my funeral and I'll fry if I want to...
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| User: "Zaphod \stil prez" |
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02 Jun 2004 02:57:13 PM |
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"Vic Sagerquist" <address@withheld.com> wrote in message
news:94FC708F0vicman@127.0.0.1...
One day in alt.atheism, Also Sprach Zaphod "stil prez":
"Vic Sagerquist" <address@withheld.com> wrote in message
news:94FC47929vicman@127.0.0.1...
One day in alt.atheism, Also Sprach Zaphod "stil prez":
I'm on everybody side. I have no favorites, from your President Bush
to the lowest Arab, I love you all. I can not love one of my children
any more or less then the other. I love you all.
God
You "love" me? You don't even *know* me.
Love you just the same.
It's my funeral and I'll fry if I want to...
You will never fry. I would not create a universe with such dicey rules,
you are safe, will always be safe and will always be loved.
God
Eww. Get away from me...
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Vic Sagerquist
aa#2011
Supervisor, EAC Department of little adhesive-backed "L" shaped
chrome-plastic doo-dads to add feet to Jesus fish department.
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It's my funeral and I'll fry if I want to...
Sorry, I wouldn't let you, it isn't even possible. I just set up the
framework. You have to live within the construct I build and it didn't
include punishment, a lake of fire or any of that.
God.
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| User: "HP Opus" |
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13 Jun 2004 09:46:21 AM |
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(Fredric L. Rice) wrote in message news:<10bqntvf74tp7ee@corp.supernews.com>...
Is Bush Doing The Work Of God?
Dr. Gerry Lower, Keystone, South Dakota
Either Bush is doing the work of God or he is not.
If God Were on Bush's side:
If God were on Bush's side (as Bush claims God
to be) and if Bush were actually doing the work
of God in the world, then it is empirically
self-evident that Bush's God has not been doing
a very good job of being on Bush's side. Bush
sidetracked his own "war on terrorism" with his
preemptory war on Iraq and he has only made
terrorism and the Middle Eastern political
situation into a deepening quagmire. If God were
on Bush's side, then we (the people) have
certainly seen no empirical evidence in support
of that contension. We, the people, have been
restricted to Bush's "bubble "world of faith in
faith itself.
If God is not on Bush's side and if Bush is not
doing the work of God in the world, then we
(the people) see empirical evidence of that
Godlessness with every passing day. In this
case, of course, Bush must be doing someone
else's work, i.e., the neo-conservative work
of those with an agenda other than Democracy
and human rights.
If Bush were on God's side:
If Bush were on God's side, he would keep his
self-righteous smirk to himself. He would
abandon faith in his Old Testament supernatural
"god" and renew his faith in the people and in
Jefferson's God of all people. He would abandon
belligerence in the world and establish fair
and honest relationships with the world's
established democracies. He would reaffirm
the values of democracy over capitalism and
the values of nascent Christianity over Old
Testament religion. He would embrace the
concept of human rights and disavow the
political corruption of the Bush dynastic
family and America's corporate aristocracy
in favor of a government of, by and for the
people.
None of these acts of atonement (at-one-ment)
in striving to be on God's side are possible
for George W. Bush, not without a genuine
spiritual rebirth and the abandonment of most
of what Bush has adopted since going "dry"
and being "reborn" in Billie Graham's image.
Given Bush's disregard for knowledge (outside
of the Cabinet loop) and his disregard for
introspection and self-knowledge, Bush's only
hope to sit on God's right hand is to simply
remove himself from office. --posted 05.23.04
http://www.bushwatch.net
GEORGE W. BUSH: [You] no-good fucking sonovabitch. (1)
GERRY LOWER: God [is] on Bush's side (as Bush claims God to be)...
[The] work of God in the world...faith in [the] Old Testament
supernatural "god"...the values of...Old Testament religion...[are]
what Bush has adopted since going "dry" and being "reborn" in Billie
Graham's image.
GEORGE W. BUSH: We're gonna take this thing [the evangelicals] over...
(2)
GERRY LOWER: God [is] on Bush's side (as Bush claims God to be)...
[The] work of God in the world...faith in [the] Old Testament
supernatural "god"...the values of...Old Testament religion...[are]
what Bush has adopted since going "dry" and being "reborn" in Billie
Graham's image.
GEORGE W. BUSH: ***** [is what my father and I talk about]. (3)
GERRY LOWER: God [is] on Bush's side (as Bush claims God to be)...
[The] work of God in the world...faith in [the] Old Testament
supernatural "god"...the values of...Old Testament religion...[are]
what Bush has adopted since going "dry" and being "reborn" in Billie
Graham's image.
GEORGE W. BUSH: Go to hell... (4)
GERRY LOWER: God [is] on Bush's side (as Bush claims God to be)...
[The] work of God in the world...faith in [the] Old Testament
supernatural "god"...the values of...Old Testament religion...[are]
what Bush has adopted since going "dry" and being "reborn" in Billie
Graham's image.
GEORGE W. BUSH: I don't necessarily believe every single word [in the
Bible] is literally true. ...The verdict is still out on how God
created the earth. (5)
GERRY LOWER: God [is] on Bush's side (as Bush claims God to be)...
[The] work of God in the world...faith in [the] Old Testament
supernatural "god"...the values of...Old Testament religion...[are]
what Bush has adopted since going "dry" and being "reborn" in Billie
Graham's image.
GEORGE W. BUSH: I feel like God wants me to run for President. I
can't explain it, but I sense my country is going to need me.
Something is going to happen... I know it won't be easy on me or my
family, but God wants me to do it." (6)
GERRY LOWER: God [is] on Bush's side (as Bush claims God to be)...
[The] work of God in the world...faith in [the] Old Testament
supernatural "god"...the values of...Old Testament religion...[are]
what Bush has adopted since going "dry" and being "reborn" in Billie
Graham's image.
GEORGE W. BUSH: There's Adam Clymer -- major league ***** -- from
the New York Times... (7)
GERRY LOWER: God [is] on Bush's side (as Bush claims God to be)...
[The] work of God in the world...faith in [the] Old Testament
supernatural "god"...the values of...Old Testament religion...[are]
what Bush has adopted since going "dry" and being "reborn" in Billie
Graham's image.
GEORGE W. BUSH: People communicate with God and reach God in different
ways. ...And I am mindful of what Billy Graham one time told me, for
me not to try to figure out...who gets to go to heaven. ...And when I
told you I'm a sinner -- you need to take that in the figurative
sense. (8)
GERRY LOWER: God [is] on Bush's side (as Bush claims God to be)...
[The] work of God in the world...faith in [the] Old Testament
supernatural "god"...the values of...Old Testament religion...[are]
what Bush has adopted since going "dry" and being "reborn" in Billie
Graham's image.
GEORGE W. BUSH: I joined Skull and Bones, a secret society, so secret
I can't say anything more. (9)
GERRY LOWER: God [is] on Bush's side (as Bush claims God to be)...
[The] work of God in the world...faith in [the] Old Testament
supernatural "god"...the values of...Old Testament religion...[are]
what Bush has adopted since going "dry" and being "reborn" in Billie
Graham's image.
GEORGE W. BUSH: ...four Gentile governors - one Methodist, two
Catholics, and a Mormon, and several Jewish-American friends...prayed
together, on bended knee...around an altar kneeling, one common Lord.
Faith changes lives. I know, because faith has changed mine. (10)
GERRY LOWER: God [is] on Bush's side (as Bush claims God to be)...
[The] work of God in the world...faith in [the] Old Testament
supernatural "god"...the values of...Old Testament religion...[are]
what Bush has adopted since going "dry" and being "reborn" in Billie
Graham's image.
GEORGE W. BUSH: ["Did I have any qualms, say, about joining an elite
secret club like Skull and Bones at Yale University?"] No qualms at
all. I was honored. ...["How do I demystify it a bit for those who
might think it's a cross between a Masonic Lodge and the Trilateral
Commission?"] Without revealing all the great secrets? ...Someone a
year ahead of me tapped me. There was an entry celebration. I can't
remember whether my dad showed up or not. (11)
GERRY LOWER: God [is] on Bush's side (as Bush claims God to be)...
[The] work of God in the world...faith in [the] Old Testament
supernatural "god"...the values of...Old Testament religion...[are]
what Bush has adopted since going "dry" and being "reborn" in Billie
Graham's image.
GEORGE W. BUSH: Throughout the world, people of all religions
recognize Jesus Christ as an example of love, compassion, sacrifice
and service. Reaching out to the poor, the suffering and the
marginalized, he provided moral leadership that continues to inspire
countless men, women and children today. (12)
GERRY LOWER: God [is] on Bush's side (as Bush claims God to be)...
[The] work of God in the world...faith in [the] Old Testament
supernatural "god"...the values of...Old Testament religion...[are]
what Bush has adopted since going "dry" and being "reborn" in Billie
Graham's image.
GEORGE W. BUSH: All Presidents of the United States have come to the
National Prayer Breakfast, regardless of their religious views. No
matter what our background, in prayer we share something universal --
a desire to speak and listen to our Maker, and to know His plan for
our lives. ...Men and women can be good without faith, but faith is a
force of goodness. Men and women can be compassionate without faith,
but faith often inspires compassion. Human beings can love without
faith, but faith is a great teacher of love. ...Faith is also
important to the civility of our country. It teaches us not merely to
tolerate one another, but to respect one another -- to show a regard
for different views and the courtesy to listen. This is essential to
democracy. It is also the proper way to treat human beings created
in the divine image. We'll have our disagreements. Civility does not
require us to abandon deeply-held beliefs. Civility does not demand
casual creeds and colorless convictions. Americans have always
believed that civility and firm resolve could live easily with one
another. But civility does mean that our public debate ought to be
free from bitterness and anger, rancor and ill-will. We have an
obligation to make our case, not to demonize our opponents. As the
Book of James reminds us, fresh water and salt water cannot flow from
the same spring. (13)
GERRY LOWER: God [is] on Bush's side (as Bush claims God to be)...
[The] work of God in the world...faith in [the] Old Testament
supernatural "god"...the values of...Old Testament religion...[are]
what Bush has adopted since going "dry" and being "reborn" in Billie
Graham's image.
GEORGE W. BUSH: It's...a high honor for me to be on the podium with so
many outstanding leaders of faith. I've had the honor of meeting many
of the cardinals who are here, and many of the bishops and archbishops
from around the country. ...The Catholic Church is fortunate to have
such strong, capable, decent leadership. And America is fortunate to
have such strong leaders in our midst. ...All of you are part of the
humanizing mission which is part of the "great commission" and the
Pope John Paul II Cultural Center, which we will dedicate tomorrow,
will bring this message to generations of Americans in this capital of
our nation. The best way to honor Pope John Paul II, truly one of the
great men, is to take his teaching seriously; is to listen to his
words and put his words and teachings into action here in America.
This is a challenge we must accept. (14)
GERRY LOWER: God [is] on Bush's side (as Bush claims God to be)...
[The] work of God in the world...faith in [the] Old Testament
supernatural "god"...the values of...Old Testament religion...[are]
what Bush has adopted since going "dry" and being "reborn" in Billie
Graham's image.
GEORGE W. BUSH: Cardinal Maida, ...Cardinal Szocha, ...and, Cardinal
McCarrick, ...I'm proud to live in your archdiocese. ...When Cardinal
Wojtyla spoke here at Catholic University in 1976, few imagined the
course his life would take, or the history his life would shape.
....Now he's kissed the ground of 123 countries and leads a flock of 1
billion into the Third Millennium. We remember the Pope's visit to
Israel and his mission of reconciliation and mutual respect between
Christians and Jews. He is the first modern Pope to enter a synagogue
or visit an Islamic country. ...His is not the power of armies or
technology or wealth. It is the unexpected power of a baby in a
stable, of a man on a cross, of a simple fisherman who carried a
message of hope to Rome. ...We thank God for this rare man, a servant
of God and a hero of history. And I thank all of you for building this
center of conscience and reflection in our Nation's Capital. (15)
GERRY LOWER: God [is] on Bush's side (as Bush claims God to be)...
[The] work of God in the world...faith in [the] Old Testament
supernatural "god"...the values of...Old Testament religion...[are]
what Bush has adopted since going "dry" and being "reborn" in Billie
Graham's image.
GEORGE W. BUSH: This crusade, this war on terrorism, is going to take
a while... [But] we will rid the world of the evil-doers. (16)
GERRY LOWER: God [is] on Bush's side (as Bush claims God to be)...
[The] work of God in the world...faith in [the] Old Testament
supernatural "god"...the values of...Old Testament religion...[are]
what Bush has adopted since going "dry" and being "reborn" in Billie
Graham's image.
GEORGE W. BUSH: I have told the nation more than once that...the
teachings of Islam are the teachings of peace and good. ...And I also
appreciate the prayers to the universal God. (17)
GERRY LOWER: God [is] on Bush's side (as Bush claims God to be)...
[The] work of God in the world...faith in [the] Old Testament
supernatural "god"...the values of...Old Testament religion...[are]
what Bush has adopted since going "dry" and being "reborn" in Billie
Graham's image.
GEORGE W. BUSH: I appreciate your [the Russians'] understanding there
is a universal and gracious God. (18)
GERRY LOWER: God [is] on Bush's side (as Bush claims God to be)...
[The] work of God in the world...faith in [the] Old Testament
supernatural "god"...the values of...Old Testament religion...[are]
what Bush has adopted since going "dry" and being "reborn" in Billie
Graham's image.
GEORGE W. BUSH: ...universal God...is important -- obviously,
important part of my life, but very important part of the life of our
country. (19)
GERRY LOWER: God [is] on Bush's side (as Bush claims God to be)...
[The] work of God in the world...faith in [the] Old Testament
supernatural "god"...the values of...Old Testament religion...[are]
what Bush has adopted since going "dry" and being "reborn" in Billie
Graham's image.
GEORGE W. BUSH: As more and more people go to their churches and
synagogues and mosques and hear that universal call to love a
neighbor, America's culture is changing. ...Out of the evil done to
this great land is going to come incredible good... (20)
GERRY LOWER: God [is] on Bush's side (as Bush claims God to be)...
[The] work of God in the world...faith in [the] Old Testament
supernatural "god"...the values of...Old Testament religion...[are]
what Bush has adopted since going "dry" and being "reborn" in Billie
Graham's image.
GEORGE W. BUSH: Islam is...a faith based upon love, not hate.
....Americans of all faiths will come together in a spirit of unity...
Everybody ought to worship the Almighty, however they choose. (21)
GERRY LOWER: God [is] on Bush's side (as Bush claims God to be)...
[The] work of God in the world...faith in [the] Old Testament
supernatural "god"...the values of...Old Testament religion...[are]
what Bush has adopted since going "dry" and being "reborn" in Billie
Graham's image.
GEORGE W. BUSH: Tomorrow is September the 12th. A milestone is passed,
and a mission goes on. Be confident. Our country is strong. And our
cause is even larger than our country. Ours is the cause of human
dignity; freedom guided by conscience and guarded by peace. This ideal
of America is the hope of all mankind. That hope drew millions to this
harbor. That hope still lights our way. And the light shines in the
darkness. And the darkness will not overcome it. [John 1:5] May God
bless America. (22)
GERRY LOWER: God [is] on Bush's side (as Bush claims God to be)...
[The] work of God in the world...faith in [the] Old Testament
supernatural "god"...the values of...Old Testament religion...[are]
what Bush has adopted since going "dry" and being "reborn" in Billie
Graham's image.
GEORGE W. BUSH: I am pleased to join you today in the celebration of
Eid, the culmination of the Holy Month of Ramadan. ...Islam traces
its origins back to God's call on Abraham. And Ramadan commemorates
the revelation of God's word in the Holy Koran to the prophet
Mohammad... The spirit behind this holiday is a reminder that...Islam
affirms God's justice... Eid Mubarak. God bless. (23)
GERRY LOWER: God [is] on Bush's side (as Bush claims God to be)...
[The] work of God in the world...faith in [the] Old Testament
supernatural "god"...the values of...Old Testament religion...[are]
what Bush has adopted since going "dry" and being "reborn" in Billie
Graham's image.
GEORGE W. BUSH: The crew of the shuttle Columbia did not return safely
to Earth; yet we can pray that all are safely home. (24)
GERRY LOWER: God [is] on Bush's side (as Bush claims God to be)...
[The] work of God in the world...faith in [the] Old Testament
supernatural "god"...the values of...Old Testament religion...[are]
what Bush has adopted since going "dry" and being "reborn" in Billie
Graham's image.
GEORGE W. BUSH: F___ Saddam. We're taking him out. (25)
GERRY LOWER: God [is] on Bush's side (as Bush claims God to be)...
[The] work of God in the world...faith in [the] Old Testament
supernatural "god"...the values of...Old Testament religion...[are]
what Bush has adopted since going "dry" and being "reborn" in Billie
Graham's image.
GEORGE W. BUSH: America welcomes individuals of all backgrounds and
religions, and our citizens hold diverse beliefs. In prayer, we share
the universal desire to speak and listen to our Maker and to seek the
plans He has for our lives. ...In this hour of history's calling,
Americans are bowing humbly in churches, synagogues, temples, mosques,
and in their own homes, in the presence of the Almighty. ...Now,
therefore, I, George W. Bush, President of the United States of
America, do hereby proclaim May 1, 2003, as a National Day of Prayer.
I ask the citizens of our Nation to pray, each after his or her own
faith, in thanksgiving for the freedoms and blessings we have received
and for God's continued guidance and protection. (26)
GERRY LOWER: God [is] on Bush's side (as Bush claims God to be)...
[The] work of God in the world...faith in [the] Old Testament
supernatural "god"...the values of...Old Testament religion...[are]
what Bush has adopted since going "dry" and being "reborn" in Billie
Graham's image.
GEORGE W. BUSH: We are mindful as well that some good men and women
are not making the journey home. ...Every name, every life is a loss
to our military, to our nation and to the loved ones who grieve.
There is no homecoming for these families. Yet we pray in God's time
their reunion will come. (27)
GERRY LOWER: God [is] on Bush's side (as Bush claims God to be)...
[The] work of God in the world...faith in [the] Old Testament
supernatural "god"...the values of...Old Testament religion...[are]
what Bush has adopted since going "dry" and being "reborn" in Billie
Graham's image.
GEORGE W. BUSH: God told me to strike at al Qaida and I struck them,
and then he instructed me to strike at Saddam [Hussein], which I did,
and now I am determined to solve the problem in the Middle East. If
you [Palestinian Prime Minister Mahmoud Abbas] help me I will act, and
if not, the elections will come and I will have to focus on them. (28)
GERRY LOWER: God [is] on Bush's side (as Bush claims God to be)...
[The] work of God in the world...faith in [the] Old Testament
supernatural "god"...the values of...Old Testament religion...[are]
what Bush has adopted since going "dry" and being "reborn" in Billie
Graham's image.
GEORGE W. BUSH: Islam's a peaceful religion. The basic tenets of
Islam is peace and respect and tolerance. (29)
GERRY LOWER: God [is] on Bush's side (as Bush claims God to be)...
[The] work of God in the world...faith in [the] Old Testament
supernatural "god"...the values of...Old Testament religion...[are]
what Bush has adopted since going "dry" and being "reborn" in Billie
Graham's image.
GEORGE W. BUSH: Ramadan...provides Muslims a time to...practice God's
commands. ...Islam is a peaceful religion... (30)
GERRY LOWER: God [is] on Bush's side (as Bush claims God to be)...
[The] work of God in the world...faith in [the] Old Testament
supernatural "god"...the values of...Old Testament religion...[are]
what Bush has adopted since going "dry" and being "reborn" in Billie
Graham's image.
GEORGE W. BUSH: Ramadan...this holy time..is...a good time for people
of all faiths to reflect on...[our] gratitude to God... I
particularly want to thank Imam Faizul Khan, who will lead us in
prayer. ...Islam is a religion that brings hope and comfort to good
people across America and around the world. Tonight we honor...the
tradition of Islam by hosting this Iftaar at the White House. (31)
GERRY LOWER: God [is] on Bush's side (as Bush claims God to be)...
[The] work of God in the world...faith in [the] Old Testament
supernatural "god"...the values of...Old Testament religion...[are]
what Bush has adopted since going "dry" and being "reborn" in Billie
Graham's image.
GEORGE W. BUSH: By encouraging the celebration of faith and sharing of
God's love and boundless mercy, churches like yours [the Metropolitan
Community Churches] put hope in people's hearts and a sense of purpose
in their lives... This milestone provides an opportunity to reflect
on your years of service and to rejoice in God's faithfulness to your
congregation. (32)
GERRY LOWER: God [is] on Bush's side (as Bush claims God to be)...
[The] work of God in the world...faith in [the] Old Testament
supernatural "god"...the values of...Old Testament religion...[are]
what Bush has adopted since going "dry" and being "reborn" in Billie
Graham's image.
GEORGE W. BUSH: [To the remark, "Some people who share your beliefs
don't believe that Muslims worship the same Almighty."] I do say
that...I believe we worship the same God. (33)
GERRY LOWER: God [is] on Bush's side (as Bush claims God to be)...
[The] work of God in the world...faith in [the] Old Testament
supernatural "god"...the values of...Old Testament religion...[are]
what Bush has adopted since going "dry" and being "reborn" in Billie
Graham's image.
GEORGE W. BUSH: [To Diane Sawyer's question "are you saying you will
absolutely support a Constitutional amendment against gay marriage and
against gay civil unions?" my answer is:] the position of this
administration is that whatever legal arrangements people want to
make, they're allowed to make, so long as it's embraced by the state
or start[s] at the state level. ...[To her statement that "Vice
President Cheney has spoken out in favor of civil unions [and] In the
2000 election, you said pretty much it was a state issue", I say:]
That's right. Except and unless judicial rulings undermine the
sanctity of marriage. In which case, we may need a Constitutional
amendment. ...I also think it's very important, on this subject, that
the country be tolerant of people and understand people, but tolerance
and belief in marriage aren't mutually exclusive points of view. ...I
do believe in the sanctity of marriage. ... but I don't see that as
conflict with being a tolerant person or an understanding person...
(34)
GERRY LOWER: God [is] on Bush's side (as Bush claims God to be)...
[The] work of God in the world...faith in [the] Old Testament
supernatural "god"...the values of...Old Testament religion...[are]
what Bush has adopted since going "dry" and being "reborn" in Billie
Graham's image.
GEORGE W. BUSH: I deserve a second term because, first, I've showed
the American people I'm capable of handling tough times... And
secondly, we're changing the world... Let me rephrase that: The world
is changing, and we're helping to change it. ... (35)
GERRY LOWER: God [is] on Bush's side (as Bush claims God to be)...
[The] work of God in the world...faith in [the] Old Testament
supernatural "god"...the values of...Old Testament religion...[are]
what Bush has adopted since going "dry" and being "reborn" in Billie
Graham's image.
S O U R C E S
(1) George W. Bush in April 1986, addressing Al Hunt of the Wall
Street Journal, quoted in Jake Tapper, "God Is Their CoPilot: Both
Born-Again, Bush and Gore Have Made This the Most God-Fearing
Presidential Race in 100 Years. But Their Faiths Have Led these Men in
Two Completely Different Directions," SALON, 07 July 2000,
http://archive.salon.com/politics/feature/2000/07/07/born_again/.
(2) George W. Bush in March 1987 quoted by Doug Wead, cited in Hanna
Rosin, "Applying Personal Faith to Public Policy: 'Changed Man'
Advocates Church-Based Programs," WASHINGTON POST, 24 July 2000,
http://www.washingtonpost.com/ac2/wp-dyn?pagename=article&node=&contentId=A31740-2000Jul23¬Found=true.
"[George W. Bush's] father, then running for president, was under
attack by what inside the campaign they called 'the aliens' --
evangelical Republicans flocking to the candidacy of Pat Robertson.
Bush arrived in Washington in March 1987 and was put in charge of
'coalitions,' the campaign code word for evangelicals. 'He came in
and said, "We're gonna take this thing over,"' recalls Doug Wead, a
campaign aide with ties to the evangelicals and Bush's partner in the
venture."
(3) George W. Bush in response to a Hartford [Connecticut] Courant
reporter who asked what Bush and his father talked about when they
weren't discussing politics at the 1988 Republican convention, quoted
in Jake Tapper, op. cit.
(4) Texas Governor George W. Bush in 1998, right before leaving for a
trip to Israel, in response to an Austin American-Statesman reporter
who asked Bush what he would say to the Israelis upon arrival, quoted
in Jake Tapper, op. cit.
(5) Texas Governor George W. Bush, quoted in "Bush: Christianity
Central to His Life", RELIGION TODAY, 26 January 2000, or in Peter
Glover, "Playing the Christian Card: The Politics of Religion", CRN
NEWS, Number 9, 2000,
http://www.c-r-n.org.uk/articles/gen_playing.pdf, or in Michael Lind,
"Bush Whistles Dixie," NEWSWEEK, 23 December 2003,
http://www.newamerica.net/index.cfm?pg=article&pubID=1078, or in
Daniel Lazare, "THE NEW YORKER Goes to War", NATION, 15 May 2003,
http://www.thenation.com/doc.mhtml?i=20030602&c=1&s=lazare, or in
Robin McKie and Martin Bright, "In the Beginning", OBSERVER, 17 March
2002, http://observer.guardian.co.uk/focus/story/0,6903,668840,00.html,
or in Patrick Johnston, "Why Christians Should Not Vote for George W.
Bush", INTELLECTUAL CONSERVATIVE, 15 February 2004,
http://www.intellectualconservative.com/article3114.html)
(6) Texas Governor George W. Bush, speaking to James Robinson in the
election year 2000, quoted in Stephen Mansfield, THE FAITH OF GEORGE
W. BUSH, Tarcher/Penguin, November 2003.
(7) Texas Governor George W. Bush, quoted in Jake Tapper, "A 'Major
League *****': In an Embarrassing Gaffe, George W. Bush Insults a
New York Times Reporter," SALON, 04 September 2000,
http://archive.salon.com/politics/feature/2000/09/04/cuss_word/.
(8) Texas Governor George W. Bush, "George W. Bush: Running on His
Faith," US NEWS ONLINE, 1999,
http://www.beliefnet.com/story/33/story_3345_1.html.
(9) Texas Governor George W. Bush, A CHARGE TO KEEP, ed. Mickey
Herskowitz, Morrow,William & Co., November 1999.
(10) Ibid.
(11) Texas Governor George W. Bush interviewed in Walter Isaacson, "My
Heritage Is Part of Who I Am," TIME, 30 July 2000,
http://www.time.com/time/campaign2000/story/textframe_bushinterview1.html
and http://www.time.com/time/campaign2000/story/textframe_bushinterview2.html.
(12) Texas Governor George W. Bush, quoted in Laurie Goodstein,
"Bush's 'Jesus Day' Is Called a First Amendment Violation," NEW YORK
TIMES, 06 August 2000, http://www.beth-am.org/index2.cfm?page=362.
(13) US President George W. Bush, "Remarks by the President at
National Prayer Breakfast, Washington Hilton Hotel, Washington. D.C.,"
Office of the Press Secretary, 01 February 2001,
http://www.whitehouse.gov/news/releases/2001/02/20010201.html.
(14) US President George W. Bush, "Remarks by the President to
Cardinals, Bishops and Catholic Leaders, The East Room", Office of the
Press Secretary, 21 March 2001,
http://www.whitehouse.gov/news/releases/2001/03/20010322.html.
(15) US President George W. Bush, "Remarks by the President at
Dedication of the Pope John Paul II Cultural Center, Catholic
University Washington, D.C.", Office of the Press Secretary, 22 March
2001, http://www.whitehouse.gov/news/releases/2001/03/20010322-14.html
and http://www.usembassy.it/file2001_03/alia/a1032206.htm.
(16) US President George W. Bush quoted in John F. Harris, "Bush Gets
More International Support For U.S. Campaign Against Terrorism:
Officials Warn New Attacks Are Possible," WASHINGTON POST, 17
September 2001, page A01,
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A41157/2001Sep16.html.
(17) US President George W. Bush, "Text: Bush Welcomes Muslim
Americans to White House," 26 September 2001,
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-srv/nation/specials/attacked/transcripts/bushtext2_092601.html.
(18) US President George W. Bush, "Remarks by the President to
Community and Religious Leaders, Spaso House, Moscow, Russia," Office
of the Press Secretary, 24 May 2002,
http://www.whitehouse.gov/news/releases/2002/05/20020524-12.html.
(19) US President George W. Bush, "President Bush, President Putin
Discuss Joint Efforts against Terrorism: Remarks by President Bush and
Russian President Putin in Photo Opportunity - Calgary, Kananaskis,
Canada," Office of the Press Secretary, 27 June 2002,
http://www.whitehouse.gov/news/releases/2002/06/20020627-3.html.
(20) US President George W. Bush, "President Talks Homeland/Economic
Security at Mt. Rushmore: Remarks by the President on Homeland
Security and the Budget," Mount Rushmore, South Dakota, Office of the
Press Secretary, 15 August 2002,
http://www.whitehouse.gov/news/releases/2002/08/20020815.html.
(21) US President George W. Bush, "President Bush Holds Roundtable
with Arab- and Muslim-American Leaders, Embassy at Afghanistan,
Washington, D.C.," Office of the Press Secretary, 10 September 2002,
http://www.whitehouse.gov/news/releases/2002/09/20020910-7.html.
(22) US President George W. Bush, "President's Remarks to the Nation,
Ellis Island, New York, New York", Office of the Press Secretary, 11
September 2002, http://www.whitehouse.gov/news/releases/2002/09/20020911-3.html.
(23) US President George W. Bush, "President Commemorates Eid al-Fitr:
Remarks by the President on Eid Al-Fitr, The Islamic Center of
Washington, D.C., Washington, D.C.," Office of the Press Secretary, 05
December 2002, http://www.whitehouse.gov/news/releases/2002/12/20021205-5.html.
(24) US President George W. Bush, "President Addresses Nation on Space
Shuttle Columbia Tragedy: Remarks by the President on the Loss of
Space Shuttle Columbia, The Cabinet Room, 01 February 2003,
http://www.whitehouse.gov/news/releases/2003/02/20030201-2.html.
(25) US President George W. Bush at the White House in March 2002,
quoted in Michael Elliott and James Carney, "First Stop, Iraq: How Did
the U.S. End up Taking on Saddam? The Inside Story of How Iraq Jumped
to the Top of Bush's Agenda -- and Why the Outcome There May
Foreshadow a Different World Order," TIME, 23 March 2003,
http://www.time.com/time/covers/1101030331/wroad.html.
(26) US President George W. Bush, "National Day of Prayer, 2003, by
the President of the United States of America: A Proclamation," Office
of the Press Secretary, 30 April 2003,
http://www.whitehouse.gov/news/releases/2003/04/20030430-22.html.
(27) US President George W. Bush, "Full Text: Bush Speech Aboard the
USS Abraham Lincoln," 01 May 2003,
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A2627-2003May1.html.
(28) US President George W. Bush, quoted by Palestinian Prime Minister
Mahmoud Abbas, in Arnon Regular, "'Road Map Is a Life Saver for Us,'
PM Abbas Tells Hamas," HAARETZ, 25 June 2003,
http://www.haaretz.com/hasen/pages/ShArt.jhtml?itemNo=310788&contrassID=2&subContrassID=1&sbSubContrassID=0&listSrc=Y.
Also cf. Chris Floyd, "Errand Boy," MOSCOW TIMES, 27 June 2003,
http://www.themoscowtimes.com/stories/2003/06/27/120.html.
(29) US President George W. Bush, "Roundtable Interview of the
President by the Press Pool, Aboard Air Force One, En Route Canberra,
Australia," Office of the Press Secretary, 22 October 2003,
http://www.whitehouse.gov/news/releases/2003/10/20031022-7.html.
(30) US President George W. Bush, "President's Ramadan Message,"
Office of the Press Secretary, 24 October 2003,
http://www.whitehouse.gov/news/releases/2003/10/20031024-10.html.
(31) US President George W. Bush, "Remarks by the President at Iftaar
with Ambassadors and Muslim Leaders, State Floor," Office of the Press
Secretary, 28 October 2003,
http://www.whitehouse.gov/news/releases/2003/10/20031028-9.html.
(32) US President George W. Bush, Letter dating 14 October 2003 to the
founding congregation in Los Angeles of the Metropolitan Community
Churches, led by leading homosexual activist Rev. Troy D. Perry, on
the occasion of its 35th anniversary. quoted in "Bush Cheers 'Gay'
Church after 'Marriage Week': Attempts to Please Family Advocates,
Homosexuals Baffle Both Groups", WORLDNETDAILY, 12 November 2003,
http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=35539.
(33) US President George W. Bush, "President Bush, Prime Minister Hold
Joint Press Conference, Foreign and Commonwealth Offices, London,
England," Office of the Press Secretary, 20 November 2003,
http://www.whitehouse.gov/news/releases/2003/11/20031120-3.html; also
"Text of Bush, Blair Remarks: A Text of President Bush's and British
Prime Minister Tony Blair's Remarks Thursday at the Foreign and
Commonwealth Offices in London, As provided by the White House,"
ASSOCIATED PRESS, 20 November 2003,
http://www.newsday.com/news/nationworld/world/wire/sns-ap-bush-blair-text,0,5763089.story?coll=sns-ap-world-headlines.
(34) US President George W. Bush, "‘Ultimate Penalty': Excerpts From
Interview With President Bush -- Part 3," Diane Sawyer's Dec. 16
interview with President Bush, 16 December 2003,
http://abcnews.go.com/sections/primetime/US/bush_sawyer_excerpts_3_031216.html.
(35) US President George W. Bush, quoted in Bill Sammon, "Bush Aims to
Avoid Father's Mistakes", WASHINGTON TIMES, 10 May 2004,
http://washingtontimes.com/national/20040510-122703-4851r.htm.
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HP Opus wrote:
GEORGE W. BUSH: [You] no-good fucking sonovabitch. (1)
GERRY LOWER: God [is] on Bush's side (as Bush claims God to be)...
[The] work of God in the world...faith in [the] Old Testament
supernatural "god"...the values of...Old Testament religion...[are]
what Bush has adopted since going "dry" and being "reborn" in Billie
Graham's image.
GEORGE W. BUSH: We're gonna take this thing [the evangelicals] over...
(2)
GERRY LOWER: God [is] on Bush's side (as Bush claims God to be)...
[The] work of God in the world...faith in [the] Old Testament
supernatural "god"...the values of...Old Testament religion...[are]
what Bush has adopted since going "dry" and being "reborn" in Billie
Graham's image.
GEORGE W. BUSH: ***** [is what my father and I talk about]. (3)
GERRY LOWER: God [is] on Bush's side (as Bush claims God to be)...
[The] work of God in the world...faith in [the] Old Testament
supernatural "god"...the values of...Old Testament religion...[are]
what Bush has adopted since going "dry" and being "reborn" in Billie
Graham's image.
GEORGE W. BUSH: Go to hell... (4)
GERRY LOWER: God [is] on Bush's side (as Bush claims God to be)...
[The] work of God in the world...faith in [the] Old Testament
supernatural "god"...the values of...Old Testament religion...[are]
what Bush has adopted since going "dry" and being "reborn" in Billie
Graham's image.
GEORGE W. BUSH: I don't necessarily believe every single word [in the
Bible] is literally true. ...The verdict is still out on how God
created the earth. (5)
GERRY LOWER: God [is] on Bush's side (as Bush claims God to be)...
[The] work of God in the world...faith in [the] Old Testament
supernatural "god"...the values of...Old Testament religion...[are]
what Bush has adopted since going "dry" and being "reborn" in Billie
Graham's image.
GEORGE W. BUSH: I feel like God wants me to run for President. I
can't explain it, but I sense my country is going to need me.
Something is going to happen... I know it won't be easy on me or my
family, but God wants me to do it." (6)
GERRY LOWER: God [is] on Bush's side (as Bush claims God to be)...
[The] work of God in the world...faith in [the] Old Testament
supernatural "god"...the values of...Old Testament religion...[are]
what Bush has adopted since going "dry" and being "reborn" in Billie
Graham's image.
GEORGE W. BUSH: There's Adam Clymer -- major league ***** -- from
the New York Times... (7)
GERRY LOWER: God [is] on Bush's side (as Bush claims God to be)...
[The] work of God in the world...faith in [the] Old Testament
supernatural "god"...the values of...Old Testament religion...[are]
what Bush has adopted since going "dry" and being "reborn" in Billie
Graham's image.
GEORGE W. BUSH: People communicate with God and reach God in different
ways. ...And I am mindful of what Billy Graham one time told me, for
me not to try to figure out...who gets to go to heaven. ...And when I
told you I'm a sinner -- you need to take that in the figurative
sense. (8)
GERRY LOWER: God [is] on Bush's side (as Bush claims God to be)...
[The] work of God in the world...faith in [the] Old Testament
supernatural "god"...the values of...Old Testament religion...[are]
what Bush has adopted since going "dry" and being "reborn" in Billie
Graham's image.
GEORGE W. BUSH: I joined Skull and Bones, a secret society, so secret
I can't say anything more. (9)
GERRY LOWER: God [is] on Bush's side (as Bush claims God to be)...
[The] work of God in the world...faith in [the] Old Testament
supernatural "god"...the values of...Old Testament religion...[are]
what Bush has adopted since going "dry" and being "reborn" in Billie
Graham's image.
What I see on all of this is a very dangerous thread where the only
winners will be the richest.
Correct me if I'm wrong.
Now that communism failed, there is nothing to stop the riches from
suppressing the masses in US. Someone may say the law, but the law only
favor those in power. If the needy loose the power, there is no law.
This is the case in Latin America. Someone may think that the rich
people wouldn't favor this type of system. I think they would love it.
Why? Because traditional companies don't go into bankruptcy in poor
countries. The rich families are always rich no matter how bad is the
economy, they control the monopolies. Their money is outside the
country, their children study in the best universities of the world.
When things get out of control, they just leave the country.
What religion has to do with this? A lot. Religion was a very powerful
weapon to stop communism from getting into Latin America. Religion
makes the peasants very handy. I'm religious myself, but I see religion
as a very dangerous tool when it's used for those in power to manipulate
the ignorants.
In the United States, that was never the case, because religious groups
here are divided. The only way to stop communism was by being fair with
the masses.
The republicans always come with tax cuts and a whole package to favor
the upper class. They favor the "Christian Religion" (not the one
according to Jesus, but the one that benefits them).
There is nothing to empower the richest more than wars. When there is a
war, there are huge contracts where the big piece of the pie goes to the
packets of the big suppliers. On the other hand, the inflation
increases. Which means that everything is more expensive.
I may be wrong, but I see Bush representing this class, the class in the
side of the elite. This is dangerous for the middle class and for the poor.
When the economy is bad for someone, it may be very good for somebody
else.
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