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User: "donquijote1954"
Date: 06 May 2007 06:53:47 PM
Object: Is Bush the Antichrist?
Hey, as if the fact that the Religious Right voted for him weren't
enough evidence, there are even more clear signs that Bush is the
Antichrist. Nobody has advanced more the cause of evil: LIES, WAR and
ENVIRONMENTAL DESTRUCTION. His pro-Armageddon credentials are well
established, but it's other signs that seem to be the final proof, if
there was ever the need for one...
If you add up the name 'George Bush' in Hebrew letters it comes out:
G = 3 (gimel)
e = 5 (heh)
o = 70 (ayin)
r = 200 (resh)
g = 3 (gimel)
e = 5 (heh)
B = 2 (beth)
u = 70 (ayin)
s = 300 (shin)
h = 8 (cheth)
total = 666 (Antichrist)
I challenge anyone to find another powerful world leader, either now
or in the past, whose name adds up to 666 in Hebrew.
http://www.bushisantichrist.com/
So perhaps he's the angel of apocalypse...
http://www.flyingsnail.com/Dahbud/images/devings.jpg
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User: "Walter Bushell"

Title: Re: Is Bush the Antichrist? 12 May 2007 12:26:09 PM
In article <1178495627.023693.306120@y5g2000hsa.googlegroups.com>,
donquijote1954 <nolionnoproblem@hotmail.com> wrote:

Hey, as if the fact that the Religious Right voted for him weren't
enough evidence, there are even more clear signs that Bush is the
Antichrist. Nobody has advanced more the cause of evil: LIES, WAR and
ENVIRONMENTAL DESTRUCTION. His pro-Armageddon credentials are well
established, but it's other signs that seem to be the final proof, if
there was ever the need for one...

The anti Christ has to be a crowned king and is going to be extremely
popular. So no.
.

User: "0bserver"

Title: Re: Is Bush the Antichrist? 08 May 2007 08:42:07 PM
Isn't the antichrist supposed to be charismatic, according to Xtian
teachings?
Bush couldn't possibly be the antichrist.
--
Observer
.
User: "duke"

Title: Re: Is Bush the Antichrist? 09 May 2007 05:17:03 PM
On Tue, 08 May 2007 21:42:07 -0400, 0bserver <gunner.sucks@everything> wrote:


Isn't the antichrist supposed to be charismatic, according to Xtian
teachings?

What's a "xtian"?

Bush couldn't possibly be the antichrist.

duke, American-American
*****
"The Mass is the most perfect form of Prayer."
Pope Paul VI
*****
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User: "0bserver"

Title: Re: Is Bush the Antichrist? 11 May 2007 12:33:26 AM
On Wed, 09 May 2007 17:17:03 -0500, duke <duckgumbo32@cox.net> wrote:

On Tue, 08 May 2007 21:42:07 -0400, 0bserver <gunner.sucks@everything> wrote:


Isn't the antichrist supposed to be charismatic, according to Xtian
teachings?


What's a "xtian"?

Christ-stain.

Bush couldn't possibly be the antichrist.


duke, American-American
*****
"The Mass is the most perfect form of Prayer."
Pope Paul VI
*****

--
Observer
.
User: "duke"

Title: Re: Is Bush the Antichrist? 11 May 2007 03:57:27 PM
On Fri, 11 May 2007 01:33:26 -0400, 0bserver <gunner.sucks@everything> wrote:

What's a "xtian"?

Christ-stain.

??? Want to try again?
duke, American-American
*****
"The Mass is the most perfect form of Prayer."
Pope Paul VI
*****
.


User: "Free Lunch"

Title: Re: Is Bush the Antichrist? 09 May 2007 05:22:40 PM
On Wed, 09 May 2007 17:17:03 -0500, in alt.atheism
duke <duckgumbo32@cox.net> wrote in
<82i443lelv2vthoigijp2a63c6f5hqkeov@4ax.com>:

On Tue, 08 May 2007 21:42:07 -0400, 0bserver <gunner.sucks@everything> wrote:


Isn't the antichrist supposed to be charismatic, according to Xtian
teachings?


What's a "xtian"?

It's an old shorthand that Christians used to refer to themselves.
Apparently the Greek alphabet is part of your vast area of ignorance.

Bush couldn't possibly be the antichrist.


duke, American-American
*****
"The Mass is the most perfect form of Prayer."
Pope Paul VI
*****

.
User: "duke"

Title: Re: Is Bush the Antichrist? 11 May 2007 03:56:51 PM
On Wed, 09 May 2007 22:22:40 GMT, Free Lunch <lunch@nofreelunch.us> wrote:

What's a "xtian"?

It's an old shorthand that Christians used to refer to themselves.

Uh, no it isn't. Try again.

Apparently the Greek alphabet is part of your vast area of ignorance.

What is a xtain again?


Bush couldn't possibly be the antichrist.


duke, American-American
*****
"The Mass is the most perfect form of Prayer."
Pope Paul VI
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duke, American-American
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"The Mass is the most perfect form of Prayer."
Pope Paul VI
*****
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User: "Mike"

Title: Re: Is Bush the Antichrist? 11 May 2007 04:01:56 PM
duke wrote:

On Wed, 09 May 2007 22:22:40 GMT, Free Lunch <lunch@nofreelunch.us> wrote:

What's a "xtian"?


It's an old shorthand that Christians used to refer to themselves.


Uh, no it isn't. Try again.

You're right. It's "xian" and not "xtian."


Apparently the Greek alphabet is part of your vast area of ignorance.


What is a xtain again?

"The term Xian Goth comes from around 300 AD when missionaries lived
among the Goths. Xian is from the Greek (X = Xristo). To this day the
term remains alive among Gothic Christians."
.
User: "duke"

Title: Re: Is Bush the Antichrist? 11 May 2007 06:03:11 PM
On Fri, 11 May 2007 17:01:56 -0400, Mike <prabbit1@shamrocksgf.com> wrote:

duke wrote:

On Wed, 09 May 2007 22:22:40 GMT, Free Lunch <lunch@nofreelunch.us> wrote:

What's a "xtian"?


It's an old shorthand that Christians used to refer to themselves.


Uh, no it isn't. Try again.


You're right. It's "xian" and not "xtian."


Apparently the Greek alphabet is part of your vast area of ignorance.


What is a xtain again?


"The term Xian Goth comes from around 300 AD when missionaries lived
among the Goths. Xian is from the Greek (X = Xristo). To this day the
term remains alive among Gothic Christians."

Well, I do know what a "xain" is .
duke, American-American
*****
"The Mass is the most perfect form of Prayer."
Pope Paul VI
*****
.






User: "Paul Ransom Erickson"

Title: Re: Is Bush the Antichrist? 25 May 2007 09:16:04 PM
On 6 May 2007 16:53:47 -0700, donquijote1954
<nolionnoproblem@hotmail.com> wrote:

Hey, as if the fact that the Religious Right voted for him weren't
enough evidence, there are even more clear signs that Bush is the
Antichrist. Nobody has advanced more the cause of evil: LIES, WAR and
ENVIRONMENTAL DESTRUCTION. His pro-Armageddon credentials are well
established, but it's other signs that seem to be the final proof, if
there was ever the need for one...

If you add up the name 'George Bush' in Hebrew letters it comes out:

G = 3 (gimel)
e = 5 (heh)
o = 70 (ayin)
r = 200 (resh)
g = 3 (gimel)
e = 5 (heh)
B = 2 (beth)
u = 70 (ayin)
s = 300 (shin)
h = 8 (cheth)
total = 666 (Antichrist)
I challenge anyone to find another powerful world leader, either now
or in the past, whose name adds up to 666 in Hebrew.

George Bush senior?

http://www.bushisantichrist.com/

So perhaps he's the angel of apocalypse...

http://www.flyingsnail.com/Dahbud/images/devings.jpg

WELCOME TO THE JUNGLE
http://webspawner.com/users/donquijote

THE BANANA REVOLUTION ;)
http://webspawner.com/users/donquijote40

.

User: "duke"

Title: Re: Is Bush the Antichrist? 08 May 2007 04:01:31 PM
On 6 May 2007 16:53:47 -0700, donquijote1954 <nolionnoproblem@hotmail.com>
wrote:

Hey, as if the fact that the Religious Right voted for him weren't
enough evidence, there are even more clear signs that Bush is the
Antichrist.

Hey, don fool, do you even know what the antichrist is?
duke, American-American
*****
"The Mass is the most perfect form of Prayer."
Pope Paul VI
*****
.

User: ""

Title: Re: Is Bush the Antichrist? 06 May 2007 07:35:19 PM
On May 7, 9:53 am, donquijote1954 <nolionnoprob...@hotmail.com> wrote:

Hey, as if the fact that the Religious Right voted for him weren't
enough evidence, there are even more clear signs that Bush is the
Antichrist. Nobody has advanced more the cause of evil: LIES, WAR and
ENVIRONMENTAL DESTRUCTION. His pro-Armageddon credentials are well
established, but it's other signs that seem to be the final proof, if
there was ever the need for one...

If you add up the name 'George Bush' in Hebrew letters it comes out:

G = 3 (gimel)
e = 5 (heh)
o = 70 (ayin)
r = 200 (resh)
g = 3 (gimel)
e = 5 (heh)
B = 2 (beth)
u = 70 (ayin)
s = 300 (shin)
h = 8 (cheth)
total = 666 (Antichrist)
I challenge anyone to find another powerful world leader, either now
or in the past, whose name adds up to 666 in Hebrew.

http://www.bushisantichrist.com/

So perhaps he's the angel of apocalypse...

http://www.flyingsnail.com/Dahbud/images/devings.jpg

WELCOME TO THE JUNGLEhttp://webspawner.com/users/donquijote

THE BANANA REVOLUTION ;)http://webspawner.com/users/donquijote40

As a Catholic I don't go in for this business of adding up various
codes, but I do believe there will one day be an anti-Christ, who will
simply be a world dictator, with an agenda to destroy Christianity and
the Church in particular. Today's technology would be a considerable
boon. Imagine Adolf Hitler with today's computer technology. There'd
be no escape.
To the ancient Jews seven was the perfect number, and the writers of
the New Testament were either Jewish or were taught by the Jewish
apostles. John was a Jew.
Six falls short of seven. In other words, the anti-Christ will simply
be a man, who will seem to have all the answers, but in actual fact
falling short of perfection in body, mind and soul. That's all the
666 means, in my interpretation. It doesn't give a single clue as to
his identity and it isn't meant to. I suppose I am as amused as you
are by trying to identify the person by some sort of numerical
chicanery.
Nevertheless I do believe he's around today, for the simple reason
that we are for the first time in history able to create a one world
dictatorship due to technology being advanced enough. I also believe
that terrorism is going to create the conditions where people will
trade away their civil rights in exchange for "security". As for the
"mark of the beast", I have a booklet at home called "Issues for a
Cashless Society", which was produced by a "Committee for the Future"
and chaired by an atheist. In it the statement is made that the best
way to monitor a person's movement's without their being aware of it
would be the compulsory use of eletronic money. They'd know what you
bought, where you had breakfast, which nightclubs you visited, where
you filled up and how much, how far you could travel on that amount of
fuel etc.
However in a debate on another forum I lifted off the web an article
in The Observer, already five years old, where a proposal had been
made to put chips in paedophiles so they could be monitored by
satellite. "No one could buy or sell ...." etc.- that technology is
already here, although it probably needs fine tuning before it becomes
available. And why the hand or forehead? If you're going to wave
something like a bar code reader over a person's body to extract
information from a hidden chip, then the hand and forehead would be
the most accessible and least intrusive parts to reach.
As to "forcing everyone, great and small" to accede to this
compulsion, how would this be done? I personally believe it will be
nuclear blackmail, backed up by invincibility to nuclear attack by
anyone else. In other words, if a certain nation becomes reluctant,
blow away a couple of their major cities. The rest will soon toe the
line.
As far as I can see the USA is the most likely place for this to
happen. As for this being impossible in Protestant America, Hitler by
and large got a lot of support from Protestants. All it would take is
a situation desperate enough. How's your Star Wars going? Gotten to
the point where you're nearly invincible to outside attack, other than
by smuggled nuclear weapons or low flying cruise missiles?
That's my thought. I agree with you that the coding is a joke. But I
also believe the writer of Revelation had a real vision, since he
lived in an age when the world hadn't even been discovered in large
measure, and the technology to monitor people by inserting devices
readable by satellite if necessary, and insertable in hand or
forehead, was still nearly 2000 years off. He also mentioned the sun
burning men's skin. For while now we've had news of the ozone layer
receding, and the sun getting warmer, along with global warming. It
seems to me that's a few too many coincidences to be purely
happenchance.
To say nothing of the portent of the woman in heaven (chapter 12),
already fulfilled at Fatima and Akita, less than a century ago.
.
User: ""

Title: Re: Is Bush the Antichrist? 06 May 2007 08:55:13 PM
On May 7, 10:35 am,
wrote:

On May 7, 9:53 am, donquijote1954 <nolionnoprob...@hotmail.com> wrote:





Hey, as if the fact that the Religious Right voted for him weren't
enough evidence, there are even more clear signs that Bush is the
Antichrist. Nobody has advanced more the cause of evil: LIES, WAR and
ENVIRONMENTAL DESTRUCTION. His pro-Armageddon credentials are well
established, but it's other signs that seem to be the final proof, if
there was ever the need for one...


If you add up the name 'George Bush' in Hebrew letters it comes out:


G = 3 (gimel)
e = 5 (heh)
o = 70 (ayin)
r = 200 (resh)
g = 3 (gimel)
e = 5 (heh)
B = 2 (beth)
u = 70 (ayin)
s = 300 (shin)
h = 8 (cheth)
total = 666 (Antichrist)
I challenge anyone to find another powerful world leader, either now
or in the past, whose name adds up to 666 in Hebrew.


http://www.bushisantichrist.com/


So perhaps he's the angel of apocalypse...


http://www.flyingsnail.com/Dahbud/images/devings.jpg


WELCOME TO THE JUNGLEhttp://webspawner.com/users/donquijote


THE BANANA REVOLUTION ;)http://webspawner.com/users/donquijote40


As a Catholic I don't go in for this business of adding up various
codes, but I do believe there will one day be an anti-Christ, who will
simply be a world dictator, with an agenda to destroy Christianity and
the Church in particular. Today's technology would be a considerable
boon. Imagine Adolf Hitler with today's computer technology. There'd
be no escape.

To the ancient Jews seven was the perfect number, and the writers of
the New Testament were either Jewish or were taught by the Jewish
apostles. John was a Jew.

Six falls short of seven. In other words, the anti-Christ will simply
be a man, who will seem to have all the answers, but in actual fact
falling short of perfection in body, mind and soul. That's all the
666 means, in my interpretation. It doesn't give a single clue as to
his identity and it isn't meant to. I suppose I am as amused as you
are by trying to identify the person by some sort of numerical
chicanery.

Nevertheless I do believe he's around today, for the simple reason
that we are for the first time in history able to create a one world
dictatorship due to technology being advanced enough. I also believe
that terrorism is going to create the conditions where people will
trade away their civil rights in exchange for "security". As for the
"mark of the beast", I have a booklet at home called "Issues for a
Cashless Society", which was produced by a "Committee for the Future"
and chaired by an atheist. In it the statement is made that the best
way to monitor a person's movement's without their being aware of it
would be the compulsory use of eletronic money. They'd know what you
bought, where you had breakfast, which nightclubs you visited, where
you filled up and how much, how far you could travel on that amount of
fuel etc.

However in a debate on another forum I lifted off the web an article
in The Observer, already five years old, where a proposal had been
made to put chips in paedophiles so they could be monitored by
satellite. "No one could buy or sell ...." etc.- that technology is
already here, although it probably needs fine tuning before it becomes
available. And why the hand or forehead? If you're going to wave
something like a bar code reader over a person's body to extract
information from a hidden chip, then the hand and forehead would be
the most accessible and least intrusive parts to reach.

As to "forcing everyone, great and small" to accede to this
compulsion, how would this be done? I personally believe it will be
nuclear blackmail, backed up by invincibility to nuclear attack by
anyone else. In other words, if a certain nation becomes reluctant,
blow away a couple of their major cities. The rest will soon toe the
line.

As far as I can see the USA is the most likely place for this to
happen. As for this being impossible in Protestant America, Hitler by
and large got a lot of support from Protestants. All it would take is
a situation desperate enough. How's your Star Wars going? Gotten to
the point where you're nearly invincible to outside attack, other than
by smuggled nuclear weapons or low flying cruise missiles?

That's my thought. I agree with you that the coding is a joke. But I
also believe the writer of Revelation had a real vision, since he
lived in an age when the world hadn't even been discovered in large
measure, and the technology to monitor people by inserting devices
readable by satellite if necessary, and insertable in hand or
forehead, was still nearly 2000 years off. He also mentioned the sun
burning men's skin. For while now we've had news of the ozone layer
receding, and the sun getting warmer, along with global warming. It
seems to me that's a few too many coincidences to be purely
happenchance.

To say nothing of the portent of the woman in heaven (chapter 12),
already fulfilled at Fatima and Akita, less than a century ago.- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

More to the point, if I'm correct and my hypothesis about an American
politician is correct, why would Satan taunt us with an image of
himself in the smoke of 9/11?
.
User: "Charles & Mambo Duckman"

Title: Re: Is Bush the Antichrist? 07 May 2007 12:46:03 AM
wrote:

More to the point, if I'm correct and my hypothesis about an American
politician is correct, why would Satan taunt us with an image of
himself in the smoke of 9/11?

Because you're a lunatic?
--
Come down off the cross
We can use the wood
Tom Waits, Come On Up To The House
.
User: ""

Title: Re: Is Bush the Antichrist? 07 May 2007 01:07:12 AM
On May 7, 3:46 pm, Charles & Mambo Duckman <duck...@gfy.slf> wrote:

bobcrow...@dodo.com.au wrote:

More to the point, if I'm correct and my hypothesis about an American
politician is correct, why would Satan taunt us with an image of
himself in the smoke of 9/11?


Because you're a lunatic?

--
Come down off the cross
We can use the wood

Tom Waits, Come On Up To The House

Oh, well, if you want that thing as your master, it's no concern of
mine. It's your eternity.
.
User: "Doc Smartass"

Title: Re: Is Bush the Antichrist? 07 May 2007 08:57:48 PM
wrote in news:1178518032.199232.315970
@n59g2000hsh.googlegroups.com:

On May 7, 3:46 pm, Charles & Mambo Duckman <duck...@gfy.slf> wrote:

bobcrow...@dodo.com.au wrote:

More to the point, if I'm correct and my hypothesis about an

American

politician is correct, why would Satan taunt us with an image of
himself in the smoke of 9/11?


Because you're a lunatic?

--
Come down off the cross
We can use the wood

Tom Waits, Come On Up To The House


Oh, well, if you want that thing as your master, it's no concern of
mine. It's your eternity.

This is just stooopit with three o's.
--
Doc Smartass, BAAWA Knight of Heckling
aa # 1939
Help Prevent Projectile Stupidity
Duct-Tape a Fundie's Mouth Shut Today!
.

User: "Vlad the accountant"

Title: Re: Is Bush the Antichrist? 07 May 2007 06:08:14 AM
On 7 May, 07:07,
wrote:

On May 7, 3:46 pm, Charles & Mambo Duckman <duck...@gfy.slf> wrote:

wrote:

More to the point, if I'm correct and my hypothesis about an American
politician is correct, why would Satan taunt us with an image of
himself in the smoke of 9/11?


Because you're a lunatic?


--
Come down off the cross
We can use the wood


Tom Waits, Come On Up To The House


Oh, well, if you want that thing as your master, it's no concern of
mine. It's your eternity.

I always thought that 666 related C=C6SAR NERO, not the most popular of
people among first century christians, but I did a little research and
found this http://www.aloha.net/~mikesch/666.htm.
Also Bob, look at this :-) its a smiling face! And this is a winking
face ;-) I dont know about you but im not running away from my screen
with mortal fear right now. The reasons we see faces in all sorts of
things, including stains on the subway and on burned toast, is a well
documented phycological phenominon. Do a little research geezer, not
all the answers are in that silly book of yours you know,
.
User: ""

Title: Re: Is Bush the Antichrist? 07 May 2007 06:26:29 PM
On May 7, 9:08 pm, Vlad the accountant
<vlad.the.account...@googlemail.com> wrote:

On 7 May, 07:07,

wrote:





On May 7, 3:46 pm, Charles & Mambo Duckman <duck...@gfy.slf> wrote:


wrote:

More to the point, if I'm correct and my hypothesis about an Americ=

an

politician is correct, why would Satan taunt us with an image of
himself in the smoke of 9/11?


Because you're a lunatic?


--
Come down off the cross
We can use the wood


Tom Waits, Come On Up To The House


Oh, well, if you want that thing as your master, it's no concern of
mine. It's your eternity.


I always thought that 666 related C=C6SAR NERO, not the most popular of
people among first century christians, but I did a little research and
found thishttp://www.aloha.net/~mikesch/666.htm.

Also Bob, look at this :-) its a smiling face! And this is a winking
face ;-) I dont know about you but im not running away from my scr
with mortal fear right now. The reasons we see faces in all sorts of
things, including stains on the subway and on burned toast, is a well
documented phycological phenominon. Do a little research geezer, not
all the answers are in that silly book of yours you know,- Hide quoted te=

xt -


- Show quoted text -

Scripture often has a double meaning, or double audience. John was
writing to first century Christians, at a time when Nero was already
dead to the best of my knowledge, and therefore could hardly be the
persecutor in question. The seven churches mentioned for example, one
of which your city Philadelphia was named after, all existed at that
time, most of them in Asia Minor.
However it also has a universal meaning, and that is, I believe the
intent of the 666 business. I wouldn't give a fig for the chances of
identifying a particular person using it.
The fact remains the several versions of faces have a satanic image
about them. They're not winking faces or smiling faces, although they
are grinning. Why not? Nearly 3000 people are about to be murdered,
and the sort of world the devil wants is coming up for grabs.
As far as I'm concerned, the images of the Jews from the Holocaust and
similtaneously the twin clouds of Nagasaki and Hiroshima indicated the
sort of world we're heading for.
.
User: "Joy Oink"

Title: Re: Is Bush the Antichrist? 07 May 2007 06:45:23 PM
<bobcrowley@dodo.com.au> wrote in message news:1178580389.683910.304480@l77g2000hsb.googlegroups.com...
On May 7, 9:08 pm, Vlad the accountant
<vlad.the.account...@googlemail.com> wrote:

On 7 May, 07:07,

wrote:

On May 7, 3:46 pm, Charles & Mambo Duckman <duck...@gfy.slf> wrote:


wrote:

More to the point, if I'm correct and my hypothesis about an American
politician is correct, why would Satan taunt us with an image of
himself in the smoke of 9/11?


Because you're a lunatic?
Tom Waits, Come On Up To The House


Oh, well, if you want that thing as your master, it's no concern of
mine. It's your eternity.


I always thought that 666 related CÆSAR NERO, not the most popular of
people among first century christians, but I did a little research and
found thishttp://www.aloha.net/~mikesch/666.htm.

Also Bob, look at this :-) its a smiling face! And this is a winking
face ;-) I dont know about you but im not running away from my scr
with mortal fear right now. The reasons we see faces in all sorts of
things, including stains on the subway and on burned toast, is a well
documented phycological phenominon. Do a little research geezer, not
all the answers are in that silly book of yours you know,- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

Scripture often has a double meaning, or double audience. John was
writing to first century Christians, at a time when Nero was already
dead to the best of my knowledge, and therefore could hardly be the
persecutor in question. The seven churches mentioned for example, one
of which your city Philadelphia was named after, all existed at that
time, most of them in Asia Minor.
However it also has a universal meaning, and that is, I believe the
intent of the 666 business. I wouldn't give a fig for the chances of
identifying a particular person using it.
The fact remains the several versions of faces have a satanic image
about them. They're not winking faces or smiling faces, although they
are grinning. Why not? Nearly 3000 people are about to be murdered,
and the sort of world the devil wants is coming up for grabs.
As far as I'm concerned, the images of the Jews from the Holocaust and
similtaneously the twin clouds of Nagasaki and Hiroshima indicated the
sort of world we're heading for.
THE ***** and the Fox, having entered into partnership together for their
mutual protection, went out into the forest to hunt. They had not proceeded
far when they met a Lion. The Fox, seeing imminent danger, approached the
Lion and promised to contrive for him the capture of the ***** if the Lion
would pledge his word not to harm the Fox. Then, upon assuring the ***** that
he would not be injured, the Fox led him to a deep pit and arranged that he
should fall into it. The Lion, seeing that the ***** was secured, immediately
clutched the Fox, and attacked the ***** at his leisure.
[1]
Placing your trust in the one who can be trusted is essential for
everlasting life.
(Romans 8:28 NASB)
28 And we know that ?1?God causes ?a?all things to work together
for good to those who love God, to those who are ?b?called according
to His purpose. [2]
All afternoon a little boy tried to put together his birthday gift from his
father, a picture puzzle. Some of the pieces were bright, some dark; some
seemed to go together, others seemed to fit nowhere. Finally, frustrated
and exhausted and with nothing to show for his efforts, the boy gathered
the pieces, put them in the box, and gave it to his dad. "I can't do it,"
he explained. "You try it."
To his amazement, his father assembled the entire puzzle in a few minutes.
"You see," he said, "I knew what the picture was like all the time. I saw
the picture in the puzzle, but you saw only the pieces."
Paul tells us here that God causes all things to work together for good.
Those "all things" are the pieces. He then tells us how they work together
for the good-according to God's purpose. That is the picture. Are you
perplexed and frustrated over this event or that happening in your life? Do
not take the situation out of God's hand and try to work it into your own
design. God made the picture your life is composed of, and he will complete
it-if you will let him.
[3]
8:28 It may not always seem so! Sometimes when we are suffering
heartbreak, tragedy, disappointment, frustration, and bereavement, we
wonder what good can come out of it. But the following verse gives the
answer: whatever God permits to come into our lives is designed to conform
us to the image of His Son. When we see this, it takes the question mark
out of our prayers. Our lives are not controlled by impersonal forces such
as chance, luck, or fate, but by our wonderful, personal Lord, who is "too
loving to be unkind and too wise to err." [4]
.. ==
(John 3:16 KJV)
16 For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that
whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.[5]
(John 3:16 NASB)
16 "For God so ?a?loved the world, that He ?b?gave His ?1??c?only
begotten Son, that whoever ?d?believes in Him shall not perish, but
have eternal life. [6]
There are two things that we need to note here. One is that we must be born
again. The other is that the Son of Man must be lifted up. They are
related. It takes the death of Christ and the resurrection of Christ-He
must be lifted up. Since He has been lifted up, since He bore our penalty,
the Spirit of God can regenerate us. And we must be born again-that is the
only way God can receive us.
The motivation for all of this is that God so loved the world. God never
saved the world by love, which is the mistaken thinking of today. It
doesn't say that God's love saved the world, because the love of God could
never save a sinner. God does not save by love, friends. God saves by
grace! "For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of
yourselves: it is the gift of God: Not of works, lest any man should boast"
(Eph. 2:8-9). Now, how does God save? God saves by grace. But God so loved
the world, that He gave His only begotten Son that whoever (you can write
your name in here and I can write mine) believes in Him should not perish,
but have everlasting life. Notice that with the word believe is the little
preposition in which means to believe in Christ. That is, we trust Him as
the One who bore the penalty for our sins. This is a personal thing. We
must each believe that He died in our place and in our stead. My friend,
you must believe that He died for you.
[7]
Presenting the gospel in a nutshell, 3:16 clarifies
.. the source of the gospel: God's love, demonstrated in the giving of
his only Son to die on the cross . the beneficiaries of the gospel:
"everyone who believes" . the required response: simple faith in Jesus
(see 6:29) . the importance of that response: Those who believe will
live forever; those who do not believe will perish.
[8]
Jesus is speaking and He tells us that if we have a relationship with Him
we will not perish - but we will live forever. You see, as a believer, our
hope is grounded in our relationship to Jesus Christ. If we believe in Him,
if we have put our trust in Him, if we do what He has asked us to do, we
can have eternal life. That is what John 3:16 guarantees us. In John 14 the
Bible tells us that not only will we live forever but that He has prepared
a special place for us. Let me read that passage now:
1 "Let not your heart be troubled; you believe in God, believe also in Me.
2 In My Father's house are many mansions; if it were not so, I would have
told you. I go to prepare a place for you. 3 And if I go and prepare a
place for you, I will come again and receive you to Myself; that where I
am, there you may be also. John 14:1-3 (NKJV)
Not only will Jesus give us eternal life He will also give us a home - an
eternal home - in heaven with him. Not like the home we have in this world
- it will be different. It will be more beautiful then anything we can
imagine. There will be no more pain or sorrow - Revelation 21 tells us
this:
And God will wipe away every tear from their eyes; there shall be no more
death, nor sorrow, nor crying. There shall be no more pain, for the former
things have passed away." Revelation 21:4 (NKJV)
The former things mean the things in this world. They have passed away - no
more sickness - no more suffering - no more illness - no more disease -
only perfect health. No more crying - no more sorrow - no more pain - just
joy - laughter - and peace. That is so different then what most us
experience in life - isn't it? But that is what God has promised us if we
believe in Him.
Jesus is speaking of death when He says:
37 All that the Father gives Me will come to Me, and the one who comes to
Me I will by no means cast out. 38 For I have come down from heaven, not to
do My own will, but the will of Him who sent Me. 39 This is the will of the
Father who sent Me, that of all He has given Me I should lose nothing, but
should raise it up at the last day. 40 And this is the will of Him who sent
Me, that everyone who sees the Son and believes in Him may have everlasting
life; and I will raise him up at the last day." John 6:37-40 (NKJV)
God has promised us life - eternal life in Christ Jesus. We have come today
because we have suffered a loss and it hurts. __________ has died. But we
also must realize that God's Word is a Word of Hope. Let me end with one
more passage of scripture to you - it is from the 23rd Psalm.
Yea, though I walk through the valley of the shadow of death, I will fear
no evil; For You are with me. Psalms 23:4 (NKJV)
God has promised that if we believe in Him - He will always be with us. He
will never leave us - He will never abandon us. That is God's Word - That
is God's promise.
--------------------------------------------------------------------------
[1]Aesop. Aesop's Fables.
1 One early ms reads all things work together for good
a Rom 8:32 b Rom 8:30; 9:24; 11:29; 1 Cor 1:9; Gal 1:6, 15; 5:8; Eph 1:11;
3:11; 2 Thess 2:14; Heb 9:15; 1 Pet 2:9; 3:9
[2]New American Standard Bible : 1995 update. 1995 (Ro 8:28). LaHabra, CA:
The Lockman Foundation.
[3]Green, M. P. (1989). Illustrations for Bilical Preaching : Over 1500
sermon illustrations arranged by topic and indexed exhaustively (Revised
edition of: The expositor's illustration file.). Grand Rapids: Baker Book
House.
[4]MacDonald, W., & Farstad, A. (1997, c1995). Believer's Bible Commentary
: Old and New Testaments (Ro 8:28). Nashville: Thomas Nelson.
[5]The Holy Bible : King James Version. 1995 (electronic ed. of the 1769
edition of the 1611 Authorized Version.) (Jn 3:16). Bellingham WA: Logos
Research Systems, Inc.
a Rom 5:8; Eph 2:4; 2 Thess 2:16; 1 John 4:10; Rev 1:5 b Rom 8:32; 1 John
4:9
1 Or unique, only one of His kind
c John 1:18; 3:18; 1 John 4:9 d John 3:36; 6:40; 11:25f
[6]New American Standard Bible : 1995 update. 1995 (Jn 3:16). LaHabra, CA:
The Lockman Foundation.
[7]McGee, J. V. (1997, c1981). Thru the Bible commentary. Based on the Thru
the Bible radio program. (electronic ed.) (4:385). Nashville: Thomas
Nelson.
[8]Willmington, H. L. (1997). Willmington's Bible handbook (608). Wheaton,
Ill.: Tyndale House Publishers.
More on the The Antichrist
Greek, anti = "over against"; "instead of." [Cf. Latin, Vicar of Christ.]
"Son of Perdition"? Judas Iscariot "Reincarnated"? Ps 55:11-14; Death
& Hell (Isa 28:18, Rev 6:8; Mt 12:41-43; Jn 17:12; Jn 6:7; 2 Thess 2:3; Acts
1:25, with Rev 11:7).
.. Old Testament Allusions
Adversary Ps 74:8-10; Isa 59:19; Lam 4:11,12; Amos 3:11
Assyrian Isa 10:5, 12; Micah 5:5, 6
Belial Nahum 1:15
Bloody and Deceitful Man Ps 5:6
Branch of the Terrible Ones Isa 25:5
Chief Prince Ex 38:2
Crooked Serpent Job 26:13; Isa 27:1
Cruel One Jer 30:14,23
Destroyer of the Gentiles Jer 4:7
Enemy Ps 55:3; Jer 30:14, 23
Evil Man Ps 140:1
Head over many countries Ps 110:6
Head of Northern Army Joel 2:20
Idol Shepherd Zech 11:16, 17
King of Princes Hos 8:10
King of Babylon Isa 14:11-20
Little Horn Dan 7:8f; 8:9f
Man of the Earth Ps 10:18
Merchant, with balances Hos 12:7
of deceit
Mighty Man Ps 52:1
Nail Isa 22:25
Prince that shall come Dan 9:26
Prince of Tyre Ezek 28:2-10
Profane Wicked Prince Ezek 21:25-27
of Israel
Proud Man Hab 2:5
Rod of God's anger Isa 10:5
Seed of the Serpent Gen 3:15
Son of the Morning Isa 14:12
Spoiler, Destroyer Isa 16:4,5
Vile Person Dan 11:21
Violent Man Ps 140:1f
Wicked One Ps 9:17; 10:2,4; Isa 11:4; Jer 30:14, 23
Wilful King Dan 11:36
.. New Testament Allusions
.. Angel of the Bottomless Pit Rev 9:11
.. Antichrist, (Pseudo-Christ) 1 Jn 2:22
.. Beast Rev 11:7; 13
.. False Prophet Rev 13
.. Father of the lie Jn 8:44; 2 Thess 2:11
.. Lawless One 2 Thess 2:8
.. Man of Sin 2 Thess 2:3
.. One come in his own name Jn 5:43
.. Prince of Darkness 1 Thess 5
.. Son of Perdition 2 Thess 2:3
.. Star Rev 8:10; 9:1
.. Unclean Spirit Mt 12:43
.. Vine of the earth Rev 14:18
.
User: "TT"

Title: Re: Is Bush the Antichrist? 07 May 2007 08:20:47 PM
Joy Oink wrote:
etc, etc, etc... down to here

Wilful King Dan 11:36

. New Testament Allusions

. Angel of the Bottomless Pit Rev 9:11
. Antichrist, (Pseudo-Christ) 1 Jn 2:22
. Beast Rev 11:7; 13
. False Prophet Rev 13
. Father of the lie Jn 8:44; 2 Thess 2:11
. Lawless One 2 Thess 2:8
. Man of Sin 2 Thess 2:3
. One come in his own name Jn 5:43
. Prince of Darkness 1 Thess 5
. Son of Perdition 2 Thess 2:3
. Star Rev 8:10; 9:1
. Unclean Spirit Mt 12:43
. Vine of the earth Rev 14:18



You forgot to list the medications you're taking( or should be taking)...
.


User: "Vlad the accountant"

Title: Re: Is Bush the Antichrist? 08 May 2007 03:59:12 AM
On May 8, 12:26 am,
wrote:

On May 7, 9:08 pm, Vlad the accountant





<vlad.the.account...@googlemail.com> wrote:

On 7 May, 07:07,

wrote:


On May 7, 3:46 pm, Charles & Mambo Duckman <duck...@gfy.slf> wrote:


wrote:

More to the point, if I'm correct and my hypothesis about an Amer=

ican

politician is correct, why would Satan taunt us with an image of
himself in the smoke of 9/11?


Because you're a lunatic?


--
Come down off the cross
We can use the wood


Tom Waits, Come On Up To The House


Oh, well, if you want that thing as your master, it's no concern of
mine. It's your eternity.


I always thought that 666 related C=C6SAR NERO, not the most popular of
people among first century christians, but I did a little research and
found thishttp://www.aloha.net/~mikesch/666.htm.


Also Bob, look at this :-) its a smiling face! And this is a winking
face ;-) I dont know about you but im not running away from my scr
with mortal fear right now. The reasons we see faces in all sorts of
things, including stains on the subway and on burned toast, is a well
documented phycological phenominon. Do a little research geezer, not
all the answers are in that silly book of yours you know,- Hide quoted =

text -


- Show quoted text -


Scripture often has a double meaning, or double audience. John was
writing to first century Christians, at a time when Nero was already
dead to the best of my knowledge, and therefore could hardly be the
persecutor in question. The seven churches mentioned for example, one
of which your city Philadelphia was named after, all existed at that
time, most of them in Asia Minor.

However it also has a universal meaning, and that is, I believe the
intent of the 666 business. I wouldn't give a fig for the chances of
identifying a particular person using it.

The fact remains the several versions of faces have a satanic image
about them. They're not winking faces or smiling faces, although they
are grinning. Why not? Nearly 3000 people are about to be murdered,
and the sort of world the devil wants is coming up for grabs.

As far as I'm concerned, the images of the Jews from the Holocaust and
similtaneously the twin clouds of Nagasaki and Hiroshima indicated the
sort of world we're heading for.- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted te

Because I have google and not a leather bound book as a research tool
I have found the following.
If you accept that John was the same john who wrote the gospel (and
if you dont, i'll just do more googling...quiet day in work), then he
was writing during the reign of Domitian AD 81-96 (thats AD by 80
years for all you literalists). Nero ruled 54-68, just 12 years
previously.
Now for the hard of thinking bobby boy, lets use some modern
examples, hitler and stalin, as great persicutors of the last century
doing their evil 80-60 years ago are well remembered in folk memory, I
even played british and germans with my friends in the seventies, 30
years after the event. Some Biblical scholers (ha ha ha) have even
taken to describing Hitler or stalin as the Anti christ.
It doesnt take a great leap of the imagination (although pos for you)
to see that john was "REMEMBERING" nasty nero and used him as a model
in his mushroom induced fantasy.
Now kiss my arse knob jockey
Regards
.





User: ""

Title: Re: Is Bush the Antichrist? 06 May 2007 09:52:08 PM
On May 7, 11:55 am,
wrote:

On May 7, 10:35 am,

wrote:





On May 7, 9:53 am, donquijote1954 <nolionnoprob...@hotmail.com> wrote:


Hey, as if the fact that the Religious Right voted for him weren't
enough evidence, there are even more clear signs that Bush is the
Antichrist. Nobody has advanced more the cause of evil: LIES, WAR and
ENVIRONMENTAL DESTRUCTION. His pro-Armageddon credentials are well
established, but it's other signs that seem to be the final proof, if
there was ever the need for one...


If you add up the name 'George Bush' in Hebrew letters it comes out:


G = 3 (gimel)
e = 5 (heh)
o = 70 (ayin)
r = 200 (resh)
g = 3 (gimel)
e = 5 (heh)
B = 2 (beth)
u = 70 (ayin)
s = 300 (shin)
h = 8 (cheth)
total = 666 (Antichrist)
I challenge anyone to find another powerful world leader, either now
or in the past, whose name adds up to 666 in Hebrew.


http://www.bushisantichrist.com/


So perhaps he's the angel of apocalypse...


http://www.flyingsnail.com/Dahbud/images/devings.jpg


WELCOME TO THE JUNGLEhttp://webspawner.com/users/donquijote


THE BANANA REVOLUTION ;)http://webspawner.com/users/donquijote40


As a Catholic I don't go in for this business of adding up various
codes, but I do believe there will one day be an anti-Christ, who will
simply be a world dictator, with an agenda to destroy Christianity and
the Church in particular. Today's technology would be a considerable
boon. Imagine Adolf Hitler with today's computer technology. There'd
be no escape.


To the ancient Jews seven was the perfect number, and the writers of
the New Testament were either Jewish or were taught by the Jewish
apostles. John was a Jew.


Six falls short of seven. In other words, the anti-Christ will simply
be a man, who will seem to have all the answers, but in actual fact
falling short of perfection in body, mind and soul. That's all the
666 means, in my interpretation. It doesn't give a single clue as to
his identity and it isn't meant to. I suppose I am as amused as you
are by trying to identify the person by some sort of numerical
chicanery.


Nevertheless I do believe he's around today, for the simple reason
that we are for the first time in history able to create a one world
dictatorship due to technology being advanced enough. I also believe
that terrorism is going to create the conditions where people will
trade away their civil rights in exchange for "security". As for the
"mark of the beast", I have a booklet at home called "Issues for a
Cashless Society", which was produced by a "Committee for the Future"
and chaired by an atheist. In it the statement is made that the best
way to monitor a person's movement's without their being aware of it
would be the compulsory use of eletronic money. They'd know what you
bought, where you had breakfast, which nightclubs you visited, where
you filled up and how much, how far you could travel on that amount of
fuel etc.


However in a debate on another forum I lifted off the web an article
in The Observer, already five years old, where a proposal had been
made to put chips in paedophiles so they could be monitored by
satellite. "No one could buy or sell ...." etc.- that technology is
already here, although it probably needs fine tuning before it becomes
available. And why the hand or forehead? If you're going to wave
something like a bar code reader over a person's body to extract
information from a hidden chip, then the hand and forehead would be
the most accessible and least intrusive parts to reach.


As to "forcing everyone, great and small" to accede to this
compulsion, how would this be done? I personally believe it will be
nuclear blackmail, backed up by invincibility to nuclear attack by
anyone else. In other words, if a certain nation becomes reluctant,
blow away a couple of their major cities. The rest will soon toe the
line.


As far as I can see the USA is the most likely place for this to
happen. As for this being impossible in Protestant America, Hitler by
and large got a lot of support from Protestants. All it would take is
a situation desperate enough. How's your Star Wars going? Gotten to
the point where you're nearly invincible to outside attack, other than
by smuggled nuclear weapons or low flying cruise missiles?


That's my thought. I agree with you that the coding is a joke. But I
also believe the writer of Revelation had a real vision, since he
lived in an age when the world hadn't even been discovered in large
measure, and the technology to monitor people by inserting devices
readable by satellite if necessary, and insertable in hand or
forehead, was still nearly 2000 years off. He also mentioned the sun
burning men's skin. For while now we've had news of the ozone layer
receding, and the sun getting warmer, along with global warming. It
seems to me that's a few too many coincidences to be purely
happenchance.


To say nothing of the portent of the woman in heaven (chapter 12),
already fulfilled at Fatima and Akita, less than a century ago.- Hide quoted text -


- Show quoted text -


More to the point, if I'm correct and my hypothesis about an American
politician is correct, why would Satan taunt us with an image of
himself in the smoke of 9/11?- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

Probably the easiest site to view the photos. No doubt you're
familiar with them, and have probably rubbished them in the past.
However I'd like to know what the odds are of at least 4 different
appearances of Satan appearing in the same event, in different
locations, when nothing else of any symbolic form appeared at any time
during the collapse of the Twin Towers?
Had it just been a single image, I'd probably give it the benefit of
the doubt. But there are at least four or them, while at the same
time there is not one other significant symbolic appearance.
website ---> http://www.christianmedia.us/devil-face.html
The devil doesn't exist?. Doesn't he? Why do you think the history of
the human race has been one long litany of war and instability?
.
User: "TheLetterK"

Title: Re: Is Bush the Antichrist? 07 May 2007 09:52:17 AM
wrote:

On May 7, 11:55 am,

wrote:

On May 7, 10:35 am,

wrote:





On May 7, 9:53 am, donquijote1954 <nolionnoprob...@hotmail.com> wrote:

Hey, as if the fact that the Religious Right voted for him weren't
enough evidence, there are even more clear signs that Bush is the
Antichrist. Nobody has advanced more the cause of evil: LIES, WAR and
ENVIRONMENTAL DESTRUCTION. His pro-Armageddon credentials are well
established, but it's other signs that seem to be the final proof, if
there was ever the need for one...
If you add up the name 'George Bush' in Hebrew letters it comes out:
G = 3 (gimel)
e = 5 (heh)
o = 70 (ayin)
r = 200 (resh)
g = 3 (gimel)
e = 5 (heh)
B = 2 (beth)
u = 70 (ayin)
s = 300 (shin)
h = 8 (cheth)
total = 666 (Antichrist)
I challenge anyone to find another powerful world leader, either now
or in the past, whose name adds up to 666 in Hebrew.
http://www.bushisantichrist.com/
So perhaps he's the angel of apocalypse...
http://www.flyingsnail.com/Dahbud/images/devings.jpg
WELCOME TO THE JUNGLEhttp://webspawner.com/users/donquijote
THE BANANA REVOLUTION ;)http://webspawner.com/users/donquijote40

As a Catholic I don't go in for this business of adding up various
codes, but I do believe there will one day be an anti-Christ, who will
simply be a world dictator, with an agenda to destroy Christianity and
the Church in particular. Today's technology would be a considerable
boon. Imagine Adolf Hitler with today's computer technology. There'd
be no escape.
To the ancient Jews seven was the perfect number, and the writers of
the New Testament were either Jewish or were taught by the Jewish
apostles. John was a Jew.
Six falls short of seven. In other words, the anti-Christ will simply
be a man, who will seem to have all the answers, but in actual fact
falling short of perfection in body, mind and soul. That's all the
666 means, in my interpretation. It doesn't give a single clue as to
his identity and it isn't meant to. I suppose I am as amused as you
are by trying to identify the person by some sort of numerical
chicanery.
Nevertheless I do believe he's around today, for the simple reason
that we are for the first time in history able to create a one world
dictatorship due to technology being advanced enough. I also believe
that terrorism is going to create the conditions where people will
trade away their civil rights in exchange for "security". As for the
"mark of the beast", I have a booklet at home called "Issues for a
Cashless Society", which was produced by a "Committee for the Future"
and chaired by an atheist. In it the statement is made that the best
way to monitor a person's movement's without their being aware of it
would be the compulsory use of eletronic money. They'd know what you
bought, where you had breakfast, which nightclubs you visited, where
you filled up and how much, how far you could travel on that amount of
fuel etc.
However in a debate on another forum I lifted off the web an article
in The Observer, already five years old, where a proposal had been
made to put chips in paedophiles so they could be monitored by
satellite. "No one could buy or sell ...." etc.- that technology is
already here, although it probably needs fine tuning before it becomes
available. And why the hand or forehead? If you're going to wave
something like a bar code reader over a person's body to extract
information from a hidden chip, then the hand and forehead would be
the most accessible and least intrusive parts to reach.
As to "forcing everyone, great and small" to accede to this
compulsion, how would this be done? I personally believe it will be
nuclear blackmail, backed up by invincibility to nuclear attack by
anyone else. In other words, if a certain nation becomes reluctant,
blow away a couple of their major cities. The rest will soon toe the
line.
As far as I can see the USA is the most likely place for this to
happen. As for this being impossible in Protestant America, Hitler by
and large got a lot of support from Protestants. All it would take is
a situation desperate enough. How's your Star Wars going? Gotten to
the point where you're nearly invincible to outside attack, other than
by smuggled nuclear weapons or low flying cruise missiles?
That's my thought. I agree with you that the coding is a joke. But I
also believe the writer of Revelation had a real vision, since he
lived in an age when the world hadn't even been discovered in large
measure, and the technology to monitor people by inserting devices
readable by satellite if necessary, and insertable in hand or
forehead, was still nearly 2000 years off. He also mentioned the sun
burning men's skin. For while now we've had news of the ozone layer
receding, and the sun getting warmer, along with global warming. It
seems to me that's a few too many coincidences to be purely
happenchance.
To say nothing of the portent of the woman in heaven (chapter 12),
already fulfilled at Fatima and Akita, less than a century ago.- Hide quoted text -
- Show quoted text -

More to the point, if I'm correct and my hypothesis about an American
politician is correct, why would Satan taunt us with an image of
himself in the smoke of 9/11?- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -


Probably the easiest site to view the photos. No doubt you're
familiar with them, and have probably rubbished them in the past.
However I'd like to know what the odds are of at least 4 different
appearances of Satan appearing in the same event,

Given that these "appearances" are such only if one is predisposed to
believe that they are, I don't see how you could even calculate odds.
There's no finite set of arrangements that would characterize all such
"appearances", since the person interpreting the image will make of it
what they will.


The devil doesn't exist?. Doesn't he? Why do you think the history of
the human race has been one long litany of war and instability?

Because humans accepted the trade off that resulted from agriculture. It
allowed us to maintain very high population density, but it also
resulted in territorial wars and malnutrition. When you concentrate
power (by controlling food sources) in social elites, you create an
inherently volatile situation. One elite will always want to take what
another elite has, and so they'll use the tools at hand to do so
(namely, the people and weapons under their control).
.
User: ""

Title: Re: Is Bush the Antichrist? 07 May 2007 06:29:55 PM
On May 8, 12:52 am, TheLetterK <n...@none.net> wrote:

wrote:

On May 7, 11:55 am,

wrote:

On May 7, 10:35 am,

wrote:


On May 7, 9:53 am, donquijote1954 <nolionnoprob...@hotmail.com> wrote:

Hey, as if the fact that the Religious Right voted for him weren't
enough evidence, there are even more clear signs that Bush is the
Antichrist. Nobody has advanced more the cause of evil: LIES, WAR and
ENVIRONMENTAL DESTRUCTION. His pro-Armageddon credentials are well
established, but it's other signs that seem to be the final proof, if
there was ever the need for one...
If you add up the name 'George Bush' in Hebrew letters it comes out:
G = 3 (gimel)
e = 5 (heh)
o = 70 (ayin)
r = 200 (resh)
g = 3 (gimel)
e = 5 (heh)
B = 2 (beth)
u = 70 (ayin)
s = 300 (shin)
h = 8 (cheth)
total = 666 (Antichrist)
I challenge anyone to find another powerful world leader, either now
or in the past, whose name adds up to 666 in Hebrew.
http://www.bushisantichrist.com/
So perhaps he's the angel of apocalypse...
http://www.flyingsnail.com/Dahbud/images/devings.jpg
WELCOME TO THE JUNGLEhttp://webspawner.com/users/donquijote
THE BANANA REVOLUTION ;)http://webspawner.com/users/donquijote40

As a Catholic I don't go in for this business of adding up various
codes, but I do believe there will one day be an anti-Christ, who will
simply be a world dictator, with an agenda to destroy Christianity and
the Church in particular. Today's technology would be a considerable
boon. Imagine Adolf Hitler with today's computer technology. There'd
be no escape.
To the ancient Jews seven was the perfect number, and the writers of
the New Testament were either Jewish or were taught by the Jewish
apostles. John was a Jew.
Six falls short of seven. In other words, the anti-Christ will simply
be a man, who will seem to have all the answers, but in actual fact
falling short of perfection in body, mind and soul. That's all the
666 means, in my interpretation. It doesn't give a single clue as to
his identity and it isn't meant to. I suppose I am as amused as you
are by trying to identify the person by some sort of numerical
chicanery.
Nevertheless I do believe he's around today, for the simple reason
that we are for the first time in history able to create a one world
dictatorship due to technology being advanced enough. I also believe
that terrorism is going to create the conditions where people will
trade away their civil rights in exchange for "security". As for the
"mark of the beast", I have a booklet at home called "Issues for a
Cashless Society", which was produced by a "Committee for the Future"
and chaired by an atheist. In it the statement is made that the best
way to monitor a person's movement's without their being aware of it
would be the compulsory use of eletronic money. They'd know what you
bought, where you had breakfast, which nightclubs you visited, where
you filled up and how much, how far you could travel on that amount of
fuel etc.
However in a debate on another forum I lifted off the web an article
in The Observer, already five years old, where a proposal had been
made to put chips in paedophiles so they could be monitored by
satellite. "No one could buy or sell ...." etc.- that technology is
already here, although it probably needs fine tuning before it becomes
available. And why the hand or forehead? If you're going to wave
something like a bar code reader over a person's body to extract
information from a hidden chip, then the hand and forehead would be
the most accessible and least intrusive parts to reach.
As to "forcing everyone, great and small" to accede to this
compulsion, how would this be done? I personally believe it will be
nuclear blackmail, backed up by invincibility to nuclear attack by
anyone else. In other words, if a certain nation becomes reluctant,
blow away a couple of their major cities. The rest will soon toe the
line.
As far as I can see the USA is the most likely place for this to
happen. As for this being impossible in Protestant America, Hitler by
and large got a lot of support from Protestants. All it would take is
a situation desperate enough. How's your Star Wars going? Gotten to
the point where you're nearly invincible to outside attack, other than
by smuggled nuclear weapons or low flying cruise missiles?
That's my thought. I agree with you that the coding is a joke. But I
also believe the writer of Revelation had a real vision, since he
lived in an age when the world hadn't even been discovered in large
measure, and the technology to monitor people by inserting devices
readable by satellite if necessary, and insertable in hand or
forehead, was still nearly 2000 years off. He also mentioned the sun
burning men's skin. For while now we've had news of the ozone layer
receding, and the sun getting warmer, along with global warming. It
seems to me that's a few too many coincidences to be purely
happenchance.
To say nothing of the portent of the woman in heaven (chapter 12),
already fulfilled at Fatima and Akita, less than a century ago.- Hide quoted text -
- Show quoted text -

More to the point, if I'm correct and my hypothesis about an American
politician is correct, why would Satan taunt us with an image of
himself in the smoke of 9/11?- Hide quoted text -


- Show quoted text -


Probably the easiest site to view the photos. No doubt you're
familiar with them, and have probably rubbished them in the past.
However I'd like to know what the odds are of at least 4 different
appearances of Satan appearing in the same event,


Given that these "appearances" are such only if one is predisposed to
believe that they are, I don't see how you could even calculate odds.
There's no finite set of arrangements that would characterize all such
"appearances", since the person interpreting the image will make of it
what they will.



The devil doesn't exist?. Doesn't he? Why do you think the history of
the human race has been one long litany of war and instability?


Because humans accepted the trade off that resulted from agriculture. It
allowed us to maintain very high population density, but it also
resulted in territorial wars and malnutrition. When you concentrate
power (by controlling food sources) in social elites, you create an
inherently volatile situation. One elite will always want to take what
another elite has, and so they'll use the tools at hand to do so
(namely, the people and weapons under their control).- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

So Hitler's murder of millions of people was the inevitable trade off
of a high population density? Likewise Pol Pot's genocide? Stalin's
decimation of the Ukraine? Charles Manson's slaughter of Sharon
Tate? The local murder here some years ago by four girls who slit a
blokes throat and drank his blood? That's nothing more than a trade
off? The Rape of Nanking? The gas chambers? The wholesale slaughter
of bison in the old West? Waco, Texas?
No possibility of a thing called personal evil?
.
User: "TheLetterK"

Title: Re: Is Bush the Antichrist? 09 May 2007 10:37:53 PM
wrote:

On May 8, 12:52 am, TheLetterK <n...@none.net> wrote:

wrote:

On May 7, 11:55 am,

wrote:

On May 7, 10:35 am,

wrote:

On May 7, 9:53 am, donquijote1954 <nolionnoprob...@hotmail.com> wrote:

Hey, as if the fact that the Religious Right voted for him weren't
enough evidence, there are even more clear signs that Bush is the
Antichrist. Nobody has advanced more the cause of evil: LIES, WAR and
ENVIRONMENTAL DESTRUCTION. His pro-Armageddon credentials are well
established, but it's other signs that seem to be the final proof, if
there was ever the need for one...
If you add up the name 'George Bush' in Hebrew letters it comes out:
G = 3 (gimel)
e = 5 (heh)
o = 70 (ayin)
r = 200 (resh)
g = 3 (gimel)
e = 5 (heh)
B = 2 (beth)
u = 70 (ayin)
s = 300 (shin)
h = 8 (cheth)
total = 666 (Antichrist)
I challenge anyone to find another powerful world leader, either now
or in the past, whose name adds up to 666 in Hebrew.
http://www.bushisantichrist.com/
So perhaps he's the angel of apocalypse...
http://www.flyingsnail.com/Dahbud/images/devings.jpg
WELCOME TO THE JUNGLEhttp://webspawner.com/users/donquijote
THE BANANA REVOLUTION ;)http://webspawner.com/users/donquijote40

As a Catholic I don't go in for this business of adding up various
codes, but I do believe there will one day be an anti-Christ, who will
simply be a world dictator, with an agenda to destroy Christianity and
the Church in particular. Today's technology would be a considerable
boon. Imagine Adolf Hitler with today's computer technology. There'd
be no escape.
To the ancient Jews seven was the perfect number, and the writers of
the New Testament were either Jewish or were taught by the Jewish
apostles. John was a Jew.
Six falls short of seven. In other words, the anti-Christ will simply
be a man, who will seem to have all the answers, but in actual fact
falling short of perfection in body, mind and soul. That's all the
666 means, in my interpretation. It doesn't give a single clue as to
his identity and it isn't meant to. I suppose I am as amused as you
are by trying to identify the person by some sort of numerical
chicanery.
Nevertheless I do believe he's around today, for the simple reason
that we are for the first time in history able to create a one world
dictatorship due to technology being advanced enough. I also believe
that terrorism is going to create the conditions where people will
trade away their civil rights in exchange for "security". As for the
"mark of the beast", I have a booklet at home called "Issues for a
Cashless Society", which was produced by a "Committee for the Future"
and chaired by an atheist. In it the statement is made that the best
way to monitor a person's movement's without their being aware of it
would be the compulsory use of eletronic money. They'd know what you
bought, where you had breakfast, which nightclubs you visited, where
you filled up and how much, how far you could travel on that amount of
fuel etc.
However in a debate on another forum I lifted off the web an article
in The Observer, already five years old, where a proposal had been
made to put chips in paedophiles so they could be monitored by
satellite. "No one could buy or sell ...." etc.- that technology is
already here, although it probably needs fine tuning before it becomes
available. And why the hand or forehead? If you're going to wave
something like a bar code reader over a person's body to extract
information from a hidden chip, then the hand and forehead would be
the most accessible and least intrusive parts to reach.
As to "forcing everyone, great and small" to accede to this
compulsion, how would this be done? I personally believe it will be
nuclear blackmail, backed up by invincibility to nuclear attack by
anyone else. In other words, if a certain nation becomes reluctant,
blow away a couple of their major cities. The rest will soon toe the
line.
As far as I can see the USA is the most likely place for this to
happen. As for this being impossible in Protestant America, Hitler by
and large got a lot of support from Protestants. All it would take is
a situation desperate enough. How's your Star Wars going? Gotten to
the point where you're nearly invincible to outside attack, other than
by smuggled nuclear weapons or low flying cruise missiles?
That's my thought. I agree with you that the coding is a joke. But I
also believe the writer of Revelation had a real vision, since he
lived in an age when the world hadn't even been discovered in large
measure, and the technology to monitor people by inserting devices
readable by satellite if necessary, and insertable in hand or
forehead, was still nearly 2000 years off. He also mentioned the sun
burning men's skin. For while now we've had news of the ozone layer
receding, and the sun getting warmer, along with global warming. It
seems to me that's a few too many coincidences to be purely
happenchance.
To say nothing of the portent of the woman in heaven (chapter 12),
already fulfilled at Fatima and Akita, less than a century ago.- Hide quoted text -
- Show quoted text -

More to the point, if I'm correct and my hypothesis about an American
politician is correct, why would Satan taunt us with an image of
himself in the smoke of 9/11?- Hide quoted text -
- Show quoted text -

Probably the easiest site to view the photos. No doubt you're
familiar with them, and have probably rubbished them in the past.
However I'd like to know what the odds are of at least 4 different
appearances of Satan appearing in the same event,

Given that these "appearances" are such only if one is predisposed to
believe that they are, I don't see how you could even calculate odds.
There's no finite set of arrangements that would characterize all such
"appearances", since the person interpreting the image will make of it
what they will.



The devil doesn't exist?. Doesn't he? Why do you think the history of
the human race has been one long litany of war and instability?

Because humans accepted the trade off that resulted from agriculture. It
allowed us to maintain very high population density, but it also
resulted in territorial wars and malnutrition. When you concentrate
power (by controlling food sources) in social elites, you create an
inherently volatile situation. One elite will always want to take what
another elite has, and so they'll use the tools at hand to do so
(namely, the people and weapons under their control).- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -


So Hitler's murder of millions of people was the inevitable trade off
of a high population density?

The names and groups aren't set in stone, but things like that are
inevitable.

Likewise Pol Pot's genocide? Stalin's
decimation of the Ukraine? Charles Manson's slaughter of Sharon
Tate? The local murder here some years ago by four girls who slit a
blokes throat and drank his blood? That's nothing more than a trade
off? The Rape of Nanking? The gas chambers? The wholesale slaughter
of bison in the old West? Waco, Texas?

No possibility of a thing called personal evil?

There is no such thing as "personal evil".
.



User: "Earle Jones"

Title: Re: Is Bush the Antichrist? 03 Jun 2007 03:51:52 PM
In article <1178506328.295610.204520@e51g2000hsg.googlegroups.com>,
wrote:

On May 7, 11:55 am,

wrote:

On May 7, 10:35 am,

wrote:





On May 7, 9:53 am, donquijote1954 <nolionnoprob...@hotmail.com> wrote:


Hey, as if the fact that the Religious Right voted for him weren't
enough evidence, there are even more clear signs that Bush is the
Antichrist. Nobody has advanced more the cause of evil: LIES, WAR and
ENVIRONMENTAL DESTRUCTION. His pro-Armageddon credentials are well
established, but it's other signs that seem to be the final proof, if
there was ever the need for one...


If you add up the name 'George Bush' in Hebrew letters it comes out:


G = 3 (gimel)
e = 5 (heh)
o = 70 (ayin)
r = 200 (resh)
g = 3 (gimel)
e = 5 (heh)
B = 2 (beth)
u = 70 (ayin)
s = 300 (shin)
h = 8 (cheth)
total = 666 (Antichrist)
I challenge anyone to find another powerful world leader, either now
or in the past, whose name adds up to 666 in Hebrew.


http://www.bushisantichrist.com/

*
In fact, it is well known that the world will end when the antichrist
(666) crosses the trinity (3). That means it will happen in
666 x 3 = 1998.
So you'd better prepare.
Oh *****, that happened already, didn't it!
earle
*
.
User: "Bill M"

Title: Re: Is Bush the Antichrist? 03 Jun 2007 06:06:09 PM
There probably wasn't a Christ of the Bible stories so there not likely to
be any antichrist.
"Earle Jones" <earle.jones@comcast.net> wrote in message
news:earle.jones-297505.13515203062007@netnews.comcast.net...

In article <1178506328.295610.204520@e51g2000hsg.googlegroups.com>,
bobcrowley@dodo.com.au wrote:

On May 7, 11:55 am,

wrote:

On May 7, 10:35 am,

wrote:





On May 7, 9:53 am, donquijote1954 <nolionnoprob...@hotmail.com>
wrote:


Hey, as if the fact that the Religious Right voted for him weren't
enough evidence, there are even more clear signs that Bush is the
Antichrist. Nobody has advanced more the cause of evil: LIES, WAR
and
ENVIRONMENTAL DESTRUCTION. His pro-Armageddon credentials are well
established, but it's other signs that seem to be the final proof,
if
there was ever the need for one...


If you add up the name 'George Bush' in Hebrew letters it comes
out:


G = 3 (gimel)
e = 5 (heh)
o = 70 (ayin)
r = 200 (resh)
g = 3 (gimel)
e = 5 (heh)
B = 2 (beth)
u = 70 (ayin)
s = 300 (shin)
h = 8 (cheth)
total = 666 (Antichrist)
I challenge anyone to find another powerful world leader, either
now
or in the past, whose name adds up to 666 in Hebrew.


http://www.bushisantichrist.com/


*
In fact, it is well known that the world will end when the antichrist
(666) crosses the trinity (3). That means it will happen in

666 x 3 = 1998.

So you'd better prepare.

Oh *****, that happened already, didn't it!

earle
*

.





User: "Luminoso"

Title: Re: Is Bush the Antichrist? 09 May 2007 04:41:39 PM
The "anti-Christ" was supposed to usher in 1000 years
of world peace. That's not exactly anything I'd expect
from G.W. Bush.
.
User: "Tim McGaughy"

Title: Re: Is Bush the Antichrist? 13 Jun 2007 07:30:30 PM
Luminoso wrote:

The "anti-Christ" was supposed to usher in 1000 years
of world peace. That's not exactly anything I'd expect
from G.W. Bush.

Once we're all dead, it'll be quite pea