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User:	"Sound of Trumpet"
Date:	27 Jun 2006 04:34:51 PM
Object:	Is Catholicism Now Unacceptable? Maryland Public Servant Fired For His Faith

http://www.wnd.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=50721
Is Catholicism now 'unacceptable'?
Patrick J. Buchanan
On the political roundtable "21 This Week," on Maryland's tiny Access
Montgomery cable channel 21, Robert J. Smith has been a regular
panelist. Introduced as a "Republican activist," Smith was also Gov.
Robert Ehrlich's appointee on the Metro Transit Authority board.
No more. Smith has been fired for remarks that the GOP governor
considers "inappropriate, insensitive and unacceptable." What did Smith
say? Did he cut loose into some racist rant using the "n" word?
Nope. One of the panelists on "21 This Week" had volunteered that Mary
Cheney, the vice president's daughter who has come out of the closet,
would not want the federal government interfering in her life. Smith
interrupted: "That's fine, that's fine. But that doesn't mean that the
government should proffer a special place of entitlement within the
laws of the United States for persons of sexual deviancy."
Parsing that statement, what was Smith saying? That the feds should not
intrude into private lives, but neither should the feds grant special
privileges to homosexuals. Smith was also saying that, in his view,
homosexuals are "persons of sexual deviancy." In short, Smith was
saying what most Americans have always thought.
But at the next meeting of the Metro board, he was confronted by D.C.
member James Graham, a homosexual activist, who demanded that Smith
recant and apologize, or be fired by the governor.
Smith held his ground. "Homosexual behavior, in my view, is deviant,"
Smith said. "I'm a Roman Catholic."
He added, "The comments I make outside of my (Metro board job) I'm
entitled to make." Moreover, said Smith, these were personal beliefs
that have "nothing to do with running trains and buses, and have not
affected my actions or decisions on the board."
Five hours later, Gov. Ehrlich, in a tight re-election race, fired
Smith. The episode is instructive for what it says about the
correlation of forces in America's religious war.
To save himself, Ehrlich threw Smith to the wolves. He declined to
defend traditional Christian teaching on homosexuality - i.e., that
it is unnatural and immoral, ruinous to body and soul alike. Ehrlich
sacrificed one of his own to appease the homosexuals and their media
auxiliary, rather than defy their moral authority.
Smith was fired by a Republican governor for standing by a truth rooted
in 2,000 years of Catholic doctrine, Natural Law, the Torah, the
Islamic faith, the teachings of every Christian denomination and the
laws of every Western nation up to the late 20th century. One has yet
to hear a word in defense of this faithful son from the Catholic
hierarchy of the Washington area.
As for homosexuality, where it has been prevalent - in the late Roman
Empire, Weimar Germany, San Francisco - it has been regarded as a
mark of and a metaphor for moral decadence and societal decline.
But the bottom line is this: What is the truth? Is homosexuality moral
or immoral, natural or unnatural, normal and healthy or deviant and
destructive behavior?
In 1983, when the AIDS epidemic first broke onto the national scene,
this writer wrote in a column predicting scores of thousands could
perish: "The poor homosexuals. They have declared war against nature,
and nature is exacting an awful retribution."
This sentence restated the Natural Law teaching of Thomas Aquinas.
Homosexuality is against nature, contra naturam. It also said what was,
by then, obvious to all. Acts that cannot be described in this
publication were transmitting a dread and deadly disease that was
killing homosexuals in the hundreds, and would soon kill them in the
scores of thousands.
Indeed, a subsequent clamor by homosexuals for a mass government
education program on the use of condoms suggested they knew exactly how
and why the disease was spreading.
But in a May 28 column, Nicholas Kristof of the New York Times accused
this writer, Ronald Reagan and the Rev. Jerry Falwell of "behaving more
immorally" in the 1980s than the clientele of "the San Francisco
bathhouses." It was our "indifference to the suffering of gays," said
Kristof, that "allowed the epidemic to spread."
Not a word of reproof - or even of recognition - may be found in
Kristof's column against those who actually spread the disease that has
now killed millions. Nick knows his readers.
What does all of this tell us? Our society is being marinated in lies
- the lie that homosexuality is a natural, normal and healthy
lifestyle; the lie that those who think otherwise are all hateful
bigots; the lie that the diseases that afflict the homosexual community
are the fault of an uncaring society.
Humankind cannot stand too much truth, said T.S. Eliot.
In the matter of Robert Smith, there was indeed intolerance: a savage
intolerance of one man with the courage to declare Christian truths in
the face of the fabricated and fake faith that has become the
established religion of America's secular elite.
.

User: "Woden"
Title: Re: Is Catholicism Now Unacceptable? Maryland Public Servant Fired For His Faith	27 Jun 2006 04:51:28 PM

"Sound of Trumpet" <soundoftrumpet@fastmail.fm> wrote in
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http://www.wnd.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=50721

(snip homophobic, intolerant, bigoted *****)

Humankind cannot stand too much truth, said T.S. Eliot.

This is funny (as well as ironic) coming from anyone who continually pushes
his religious idiocy.
--
Woden
"religion is a socio-political system for controlling people's thoughts,
lives and actions based on ancient myths and superstitions, perpetrated
through generations of subtle yet pervasive brainwashing."
.

User: "GoDrex"
Title: Re: Is Catholicism Now Unacceptable? Maryland Public Servant Fired For His Faith	28 Jun 2006 12:27:31 PM

"Sound of Trumpet" <soundoftrumpet@fastmail.fm> wrote in message
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http://www.wnd.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=50721

you're ugly
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User: "Juanjo"
Title: Re: Maryland Public Servant Fired For being really stupid in public	27 Jun 2006 06:29:51 PM

"Sound of Trumpet" <soundoftrumpet@fastmail.fm> wrote in message
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1. Political appointees serve at the pleasure of the politician who
appoints them.
2. The first commandment of the Republican Party is thou shalt not speak
evil of another Republican.
3. Ms. Cheney is the daughter of the Vice President, a Republican.
4. Ms. Cheney herself has been very active in Republican politics.
5. Mr. Smith confused his personal opinions with political reality and got
dinged for it. He is lucky Cheney didn't send a couple of black Ford
Navigators full of gentlemen in dark glasses over to talk to Smith about
dissing his daughter. I hear ***** is very protective about her.
.

User: "bam"
Title: Re: Maryland Public Servant Fired For being really stupid in public	27 Jun 2006 07:13:40 PM

"Juanjo" <jonpetry@mindspring.com> wrote in message
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"Sound of Trumpet" <soundoftrumpet@fastmail.fm> wrote in message
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1. Political appointees serve at the pleasure of the politician who
appoints them.

2. The first commandment of the Republican Party is thou shalt not speak
evil of another Republican.

3. Ms. Cheney is the daughter of the Vice President, a Republican.

4. Ms. Cheney herself has been very active in Republican politics.

5. Mr. Smith confused his personal opinions with political reality and
got dinged for it. He is lucky Cheney didn't send a couple of black Ford
Navigators full of gentlemen in dark glasses over to talk to Smith about
dissing his daughter. I hear ***** is very protective about her.

You guys all missed the middle part:
"But at the next meeting of the Metro board, he was confronted by D.C.
member James Graham, a homosexual activist, who demanded that Smith
recant and apologize, or be fired by the governor."
It had nothing to do with Cheney.
BAM
.

User: "Juanjo"
Title: Re: Maryland Public Servant Fired For being really stupid in public	28 Jun 2006 12:49:30 PM

"bam" <mcca5761@bellsouthblahblah.net> wrote in message
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"Sound of Trumpet" <soundoftrumpet@fastmail.fm> wrote in message
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1. Political appointees serve at the pleasure of the politician who
appoints them.

2. The first commandment of the Republican Party is thou shalt not speak
evil of another Republican.

3. Ms. Cheney is the daughter of the Vice President, a Republican.

4. Ms. Cheney herself has been very active in Republican politics.

5. Mr. Smith confused his personal opinions with political reality and
got dinged for it. He is lucky Cheney didn't send a couple of black Ford
Navigators full of gentlemen in dark glasses over to talk to Smith about
dissing his daughter. I hear ***** is very protective about her.

You guys all missed the middle part:

"But at the next meeting of the Metro board, he was confronted by D.C.
member James Graham, a homosexual activist, who demanded that Smith
recant and apologize, or be fired by the governor."

It had nothing to do with Cheney.

Well that depends on which Cheney you are referring to in your response.
You ignored the first two points I made. First, if you are a political
appointee, you belong to the guy who appointed you to the position. You
have to toe the line or face the consequences of failing to do so. This is
not a Republican or Democrat thing, it is simple politics. You do not, as a
lower level appointee, shoot your mouth off about matters which could have
an impact on the bosses' bottom line. So Mr. Smith goes on air and shits
all over a Republican functionary and one who is the daughter of the Vice
President to boot. So Mr. Smith violated the First Commandment and did so
by attacking the daughter of the Vice President. He spoke without
permission of his boss. He got canned when some people started to make a
stink about it. Happens all the time.
.

User: "eddie"
Title: Re: Maryland Public Servant Fired For being really stupid in public	27 Jun 2006 11:45:34 PM

He probably should have said nothing and kept his job.
Whatever happened to the idea of love the sinner and hate the sin?
I don't care who does what in his or her own bedroom...I think most
people
still think that some parts of their life is private.
I just think that some gays are way too nutty about flaunting it, most
are not.
It's their private business not mine.
.

User: "bam"
Title: Re: Maryland Public Servant Fired For being really stupid in public	28 Jun 2006 09:04:59 AM

"eddie" <eddiestardust@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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He probably should have said nothing and kept his job.

Like any good chicken.

Whatever happened to the idea of love the sinner and hate the sin?

It's a ridiculous adage. The sinner commits the sin. Would you say that
about a bank robber? OK, we'll put the robbery in jail, and you go home.

I don't care who does what in his or her own bedroom...I think most
people
still think that some parts of their life is private.

Bedroom? What about the bars where they pull down their jeans and handcuff
themselves to barstools?

I just think that some gays are way too nutty about flaunting it, most
are not.

So then they are the source of the trouble. Why do they have to announce
their deviancy?
Why don't they act as if their sex lives were no one's business (like all
other normal people) and shut up about it?

It's their private business not mine.

Private? You've got to be kidding. I wish it were.
BAM
.

User: ""
Title: Re: Maryland Public Servant Fired For being really stupid in public	28 Jun 2006 11:41:49 AM

On Wed, 28 Jun 2006 10:04:59 -0400, "bam"
<mcca5761@bellsouthblahblah.net> wrote:

"eddie" <eddiestardust@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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He probably should have said nothing and kept his job.

Like any good chicken.

Like any good subordinate.

Whatever happened to the idea of love the sinner and hate the sin?

It's a ridiculous adage. The sinner commits the sin. Would you say that
about a bank robber? OK, we'll put the robbery in jail, and you go home.

Robbery is a crime and is therefore punished in a secular court.
Most, if not all, religions consider it a sin as well. It is up to
them to determine whether or not to hold the sinner responsible for
the sin. It is in the tradition of the Christians to hate the sin but
forgive the sinner. They still go to jail though
Being gay is not a crime.Try to come up with a better analogy. Or
don't.

I don't care who does what in his or her own bedroom...I think most
people
still think that some parts of their life is private.

Bedroom? What about the bars where they pull down their jeans and handcuff
themselves to barstools?

Don't go into those bars...problem solved.

I just think that some gays are way too nutty about flaunting it, most
are not.

It's their private business not mine.

Private? You've got to be kidding. I wish it were.

Yeah, you're right, with all those christers sticking their noses in
their business, how can they?

BAM

--
zamboni #2139
BAAWA Assistant to the Vice-Administrator of Malevolence
EAC Tertiary Adjunct to the Dispenser of Obfuscation.
.

User: "V"
Title: Re: Maryland Public Servant Fired For being really stupid in public	28 Jun 2006 10:35:05 AM

bam wrote:

I don't care who does what in his or her own bedroom...I think most
people
still think that some parts of their life is private.

Bedroom? What about the bars where they pull down their jeans and handcuff
themselves to barstools?

BDSM clubs? Most of them are straight
I've never seen that happen in a Lesbian club.

--
"The truth is, there is something terribly wrong with this country. The only
verdict is vengeance..a vendetta...what they did to me was monstrous...and
they created a monster"
V for Vendetta
.

User: "V"
Title: Re: Maryland Public Servant Fired For being really stupid in public	28 Jun 2006 08:22:31 AM

eddie wrote:

He probably should have said nothing and kept his job.
Whatever happened to the idea of love the sinner and hate the sin?
I don't care who does what in his or her own bedroom...I think most
people
still think that some parts of their life is private.

I just think that some gays are way too nutty about flaunting it, most
are not.

It's their private business not mine.

I was a government official. Anything that I said to the media reflected
upon the administration of which I was a member and the executive who
appointed me. You do NOT say things in public at variance with that
without permission form the boss.
--
"The truth is, there is something terribly wrong with this country. The
only verdict is vengeance..a vendetta...what they did to me was
monstrous...and they created a monster"
V for Vendetta
.

User: "Cary Kittrell"
Title: Re: Maryland Public Servant Fired For being really stupid in public	28 Jun 2006 12:01:26 PM

In article <EQjog.26376$gv2.11701@bignews3.bellsouth.net> "bam" <mcca5761@bellsouthblahblah.net> writes:

"Juanjo" <jonpetry@mindspring.com> wrote in message
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"Sound of Trumpet" <soundoftrumpet@fastmail.fm> wrote in message
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1. Political appointees serve at the pleasure of the politician who
appoints them.

2. The first commandment of the Republican Party is thou shalt not speak
evil of another Republican.

3. Ms. Cheney is the daughter of the Vice President, a Republican.

4. Ms. Cheney herself has been very active in Republican politics.

5. Mr. Smith confused his personal opinions with political reality and
got dinged for it. He is lucky Cheney didn't send a couple of black Ford
Navigators full of gentlemen in dark glasses over to talk to Smith about
dissing his daughter. I hear ***** is very protective about her.

You guys all missed the middle part:

"But at the next meeting of the Metro board, he was confronted by D.C.
member James Graham, a homosexual activist, who demanded that Smith
recant and apologize, or be fired by the governor."

It had nothing to do with Cheney.

I see. If a low-level employee is confronted by a "homosexual
activist" making a bit of noise, then at this point irrevocable forces
have been set in motion, and the Governor of the soverign state of
Maryland now has no choice but to fire his employee, no matter how
badly the governor personally may wish not to.
I had absolutely NO idea that gays wield such power.
And, I suspect, neither do they.
-- cary
.

User: ""
Title: Is Pat Buchanan Now Unacceptable?	28 Jun 2006 09:02:11 PM

He always was - or at least since he suggested that US should have
joined Hitler in WW2.
Sound of Trumpet wrote:

http://www.wnd.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=50721

Is Catholicism now 'unacceptable'?

Patrick J. Buchanan

User: ""
Title: Re: Is Catholicism Now Unacceptable? Maryland Public Servant Fired For His Faith	28 Jun 2006 12:15:44 PM

If this guy had praised Islam and all the bombs that go with it, the
hysterical left would've demanded he be given a promotion.
Sound of Trumpet wrote:

http://www.wnd.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=50721

Is Catholicism now 'unacceptable'?

Patrick J. Buchanan

On the political roundtable "21 This Week," on Maryland's tiny Access
Montgomery cable channel 21, Robert J. Smith has been a regular
panelist. Introduced as a "Republican activist," Smith was also Gov.
Robert Ehrlich's appointee on the Metro Transit Authority board.

No more. Smith has been fired for remarks that the GOP governor
considers "inappropriate, insensitive and unacceptable." What did Smith
say? Did he cut loose into some racist rant using the "n" word?

Nope. One of the panelists on "21 This Week" had volunteered that Mary
Cheney, the vice president's daughter who has come out of the closet,
would not want the federal government interfering in her life. Smith
interrupted: "That's fine, that's fine. But that doesn't mean that the
government should proffer a special place of entitlement within the
laws of the United States for persons of sexual deviancy."

Parsing that statement, what was Smith saying? That the feds should not
intrude into private lives, but neither should the feds grant special
privileges to homosexuals. Smith was also saying that, in his view,
homosexuals are "persons of sexual deviancy." In short, Smith was
saying what most Americans have always thought.

But at the next meeting of the Metro board, he was confronted by D.C.
member James Graham, a homosexual activist, who demanded that Smith
recant and apologize, or be fired by the governor.

Smith held his ground. "Homosexual behavior, in my view, is deviant,"
Smith said. "I'm a Roman Catholic."

He added, "The comments I make outside of my (Metro board job) I'm
entitled to make." Moreover, said Smith, these were personal beliefs
that have "nothing to do with running trains and buses, and have not
affected my actions or decisions on the board."

Five hours later, Gov. Ehrlich, in a tight re-election race, fired
Smith. The episode is instructive for what it says about the
correlation of forces in America's religious war.

To save himself, Ehrlich threw Smith to the wolves. He declined to
defend traditional Christian teaching on homosexuality - i.e., that
it is unnatural and immoral, ruinous to body and soul alike. Ehrlich
sacrificed one of his own to appease the homosexuals and their media
auxiliary, rather than defy their moral authority.

Smith was fired by a Republican governor for standing by a truth rooted
in 2,000 years of Catholic doctrine, Natural Law, the Torah, the
Islamic faith, the teachings of every Christian denomination and the
laws of every Western nation up to the late 20th century. One has yet
to hear a word in defense of this faithful son from the Catholic
hierarchy of the Washington area.

As for homosexuality, where it has been prevalent - in the late Roman
Empire, Weimar Germany, San Francisco - it has been regarded as a
mark of and a metaphor for moral decadence and societal decline.

But the bottom line is this: What is the truth? Is homosexuality moral
or immoral, natural or unnatural, normal and healthy or deviant and
destructive behavior?

In 1983, when the AIDS epidemic first broke onto the national scene,
this writer wrote in a column predicting scores of thousands could
perish: "The poor homosexuals. They have declared war against nature,
and nature is exacting an awful retribution."

This sentence restated the Natural Law teaching of Thomas Aquinas.
Homosexuality is against nature, contra naturam. It also said what was,
by then, obvious to all. Acts that cannot be described in this
publication were transmitting a dread and deadly disease that was
killing homosexuals in the hundreds, and would soon kill them in the
scores of thousands.

Indeed, a subsequent clamor by homosexuals for a mass government
education program on the use of condoms suggested they knew exactly how
and why the disease was spreading.

But in a May 28 column, Nicholas Kristof of the New York Times accused
this writer, Ronald Reagan and the Rev. Jerry Falwell of "behaving more
immorally" in the 1980s than the clientele of "the San Francisco
bathhouses." It was our "indifference to the suffering of gays," said
Kristof, that "allowed the epidemic to spread."

Not a word of reproof - or even of recognition - may be found in
Kristof's column against those who actually spread the disease that has
now killed millions. Nick knows his readers.

What does all of this tell us? Our society is being marinated in lies
- the lie that homosexuality is a natural, normal and healthy
lifestyle; the lie that those who think otherwise are all hateful
bigots; the lie that the diseases that afflict the homosexual community
are the fault of an uncaring society.

Humankind cannot stand too much truth, said T.S. Eliot.

In the matter of Robert Smith, there was indeed intolerance: a savage
intolerance of one man with the courage to declare Christian truths in
the face of the fabricated and fake faith that has become the
established religion of America's secular elite.

User: "Cary Kittrell"
Title: Re: Is Catholicism Now Unacceptable? Maryland Public Servant Fired For His Faith	27 Jun 2006 05:35:26 PM

In article <1151444091.705811.315270@u72g2000cwu.googlegroups.com> "Sound of Trumpet" <soundoftrumpet@fastmail.fm> writes:

{...}

To save himself, Ehrlich threw Smith to the wolves. He declined to
defend traditional Christian teaching on homosexuality - i.e., that
it is unnatural and immoral, ruinous to body and soul alike. Ehrlich
sacrificed one of his own to appease the homosexuals and their media
auxiliary, rather than defy their moral authority.

Either that, or he found having a bigot for a subordinate distasteful.
{...}

Humankind cannot stand too much truth, said T.S. Eliot.

No, he didn't. Eliot, whose ear for scansion was better
than Patrick J. Buchanan's said "Human kind cannot bear
very much reality". And he said it in "Burnt Norton".
-- cary
.

User: "johac"
Title: Re: Is Catholicism Now Unacceptable? Maryland Public Servant Fired For His Faith	28 Jun 2006 12:10:40 AM

In article <1151444091.705811.315270@u72g2000cwu.googlegroups.com>,
"Sound of Trumpet" <soundoftrumpet@fastmail.fm> wrote:

http://www.wnd.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=50721

Is Catholicism now 'unacceptable'?

Patrick J. Buchanan

Buchanan is a notorious 'Culture Warrior' and here he is a gay basher
defending a bigot.
--
John Hachmann aa #1782
"Those who can make you believe absurdities can make you commit atrocities"
-Voltaire
Contact - Throw a .net over the .com
.

User: "bam"
Title: Re: Is Catholicism Now Unacceptable? Maryland Public Servant Fired For His Faith	28 Jun 2006 09:06:34 AM

"johac" <jhachmann@sbcglobal.com> wrote in message
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In article <1151444091.705811.315270@u72g2000cwu.googlegroups.com>,
"Sound of Trumpet" <soundoftrumpet@fastmail.fm> wrote:

http://www.wnd.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=50721

Is Catholicism now 'unacceptable'?

Patrick J. Buchanan

Buchanan is a notorious 'Culture Warrior' and here he is a gay basher
defending a bigot.

No. You're the bigot.
BAM
.

User: "bobandcarole"
Title: Re: Is Catholicism Now Unacceptable? Maryland Public Servant Fired For His Faith	28 Jun 2006 09:09:41 AM

bam wrote:

"johac" <jhachmann@sbcglobal.com> wrote in message
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In article <1151444091.705811.315270@u72g2000cwu.googlegroups.com>,
"Sound of Trumpet" <soundoftrumpet@fastmail.fm> wrote:

http://www.wnd.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=50721

Is Catholicism now 'unacceptable'?

Patrick J. Buchanan

Buchanan is a notorious 'Culture Warrior' and here he is a gay basher
defending a bigot.

No. You're the bigot.

pot kettle

BAM

User: "V"
Title: Re: Is Catholicism Now Unacceptable? Maryland Public Servant Fired ForHis Faith	28 Jun 2006 08:13:47 AM

johac wrote:

In article <1151444091.705811.315270@u72g2000cwu.googlegroups.com>,
"Sound of Trumpet" <soundoftrumpet@fastmail.fm> wrote:

http://www.wnd.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=50721

Is Catholicism now 'unacceptable'?

Patrick J. Buchanan

Buchanan is a notorious 'Culture Warrior' and here he is a gay basher
defending a bigot.

Some speech is unacceptable for a government figure. If I stated that Catholics
should not hold office since the Bishops and the Pope have now PUBLICALLY
demanded that they vote in line with the Church's instructions of face
excommunication, I would be labelled a bigot as well..

--
John Hachmann aa #1782

"Those who can make you believe absurdities can make you commit atrocities"
-Voltaire

Contact - Throw a .net over the .com

--
"The truth is, there is something terribly wrong with this country. The only
verdict is vengeance..a vendetta...what they did to me was monstrous...and they
created a monster"
V for Vendetta
.

User: "bam"
Title: Re: Is Catholicism Now Unacceptable? Maryland Public Servant Fired For His Faith	28 Jun 2006 09:09:00 AM

"V" <V@forVendetta.uk> wrote in message
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johac wrote:

In article <1151444091.705811.315270@u72g2000cwu.googlegroups.com>,
"Sound of Trumpet" <soundoftrumpet@fastmail.fm> wrote:

http://www.wnd.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=50721

Is Catholicism now 'unacceptable'?

Patrick J. Buchanan

Buchanan is a notorious 'Culture Warrior' and here he is a gay basher
defending a bigot.

Some speech is unacceptable for a government figure. If I stated that
Catholics
should not hold office since the Bishops and the Pope have now PUBLICALLY
demanded that they vote in line with the Church's instructions of face
excommunication, I would be labelled a bigot as well..

But you would be. That's different.
This guy merely said that homosexuality is deviant behavior. He probably
also would have said that orgies are deviant behavior, and that sleeping
with your neighbor's wife is deviant behavior, and alluring a young person
to sex and drugs is deviant behavior. You guys will do anything to confuse
the issue.
BAM
.

User: "Juanjo"
Title: Re: Is Catholicism Now Unacceptable? Maryland Public Servant Fired For His Faith	28 Jun 2006 12:59:00 PM

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"V" <V@forVendetta.uk> wrote in message
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johac wrote:

In article <1151444091.705811.315270@u72g2000cwu.googlegroups.com>,
"Sound of Trumpet" <soundoftrumpet@fastmail.fm> wrote:

http://www.wnd.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=50721

Is Catholicism now 'unacceptable'?

Patrick J. Buchanan

Buchanan is a notorious 'Culture Warrior' and here he is a gay basher
defending a bigot.

Some speech is unacceptable for a government figure. If I stated that
Catholics
should not hold office since the Bishops and the Pope have now PUBLICALLY
demanded that they vote in line with the Church's instructions of face
excommunication, I would be labelled a bigot as well..

But you would be. That's different.

This guy merely said that homosexuality is deviant behavior. He probably
also would have said that orgies are deviant behavior, and that sleeping
with your neighbor's wife is deviant behavior, and alluring a young person
to sex and drugs is deviant behavior. You guys will do anything to confuse
the issue.

No that is not true. He said according to the article:
"That's fine, that's fine. But that doesn't mean that the
government should proffer a special place of entitlement within the
laws of the United States for persons of sexual deviancy."
Now I would say that this goes beyond merely stating that he believes that
homosexuals are deviates. But lets not take my word for it. Pat Buchanan
says the following:
"Parsing that statement, what was Smith saying? That the feds should not
intrude into private lives, but neither should the feds grant special
privileges to homosexuals. Smith was also saying that, in his view,
homosexuals are "persons of sexual deviancy."
Now the real issue here is that the government should not grant "special
privileges" which is a fundamentalist buzz word, to homosexuals. According
to most of the fundamentalist propaganda I have read, this includes any
comments or actions short of outright condemnation of homosexuality. But
the issue of what that term means to Mr. Smith is not at issue. What is of
issue so exactly what has been mentioned in other posts. Mr. Smith spoke
out of school on a matter which was beyond his purview in the administration
of which he was a member. He got fired for it. NO big surprise.
.

User: "Strife767"
Title: Re: Is Catholicism Now Unacceptable? Maryland Public Servant Fired For His Faith	28 Jun 2006 07:40:04 PM

On Wed, 28 Jun 2006 10:09:00 -0400, bam <mcca5761@bellsouthblahblah.net>=
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wrote:

"V" <V@forVendetta.uk> wrote in message
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johac wrote:

In article <1151444091.705811.315270@u72g2000cwu.googlegroups.com>,
"Sound of Trumpet" <soundoftrumpet@fastmail.fm> wrote:

http://www.wnd.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=3D50721

Is Catholicism now 'unacceptable'?

Patrick J. Buchanan

Buchanan is a notorious 'Culture Warrior' and here he is a gay bashe=

defending a bigot.

Some speech is unacceptable for a government figure. If I stated that=
Catholics
should not hold office since the Bishops and the Pope have now =
PUBLICALLY
demanded that they vote in line with the Church's instructions of fac=

excommunication, I would be labelled a bigot as well..

But you would be. That's different.

This guy merely said that homosexuality is deviant behavior.

Deviant from what?
.

User: "V"
Title: Re: Is Catholicism Now Unacceptable? Maryland Public Servant Fired ForHis Faith	28 Jun 2006 10:33:38 AM

bam wrote:

"V" <V@forVendetta.uk> wrote in message
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johac wrote:

In article <1151444091.705811.315270@u72g2000cwu.googlegroups.com>,
"Sound of Trumpet" <soundoftrumpet@fastmail.fm> wrote:

http://www.wnd.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=50721

Is Catholicism now 'unacceptable'?

Patrick J. Buchanan

Buchanan is a notorious 'Culture Warrior' and here he is a gay basher
defending a bigot.

Some speech is unacceptable for a government figure. If I stated that
Catholics
should not hold office since the Bishops and the Pope have now PUBLICALLY
demanded that they vote in line with the Church's instructions of face
excommunication, I would be labelled a bigot as well..

But you would be. That's different.

This guy merely said that homosexuality is deviant behavior. He probably
also would have said that orgies are deviant behavior, and that sleeping
with your neighbor's wife is deviant behavior, and alluring a young person
to sex and drugs is deviant behavior. You guys will do anything to confuse
the issue.

BAM

Homosexuality is being attracted to the same sex.
It is a normal variant.
--
"The truth is, there is something terribly wrong with this country. The only
verdict is vengeance..a vendetta...what they did to me was monstrous...and they
created a monster"
V for Vendetta
.

User: "tooly"
Title: Re: Is Catholicism Now Unacceptable? Maryland Public Servant Fired For His Faith	29 Jun 2006 04:57:32 PM

"V" <V@forVendetta.uk> wrote in message
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bam wrote:

"V" <V@forVendetta.uk> wrote in message
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johac wrote:

In article <1151444091.705811.315270@u72g2000cwu.googlegroups.com>,
"Sound of Trumpet" <soundoftrumpet@fastmail.fm> wrote:

http://www.wnd.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=50721

Is Catholicism now 'unacceptable'?

Patrick J. Buchanan

Buchanan is a notorious 'Culture Warrior' and here he is a gay basher
defending a bigot.

Some speech is unacceptable for a government figure. If I stated that
Catholics
should not hold office since the Bishops and the Pope have now
PUBLICALLY
demanded that they vote in line with the Church's instructions of face
excommunication, I would be labelled a bigot as well..

But you would be. That's different.

This guy merely said that homosexuality is deviant behavior. He probably
also would have said that orgies are deviant behavior, and that sleeping
with your neighbor's wife is deviant behavior, and alluring a young
person
to sex and drugs is deviant behavior. You guys will do anything to
confuse
the issue.

BAM

Homosexuality is being attracted to the same sex.
It is a normal variant.

The question is one of 'naturalness'...not normalcy. It is hardly normal.
It most certainly deviates from the norm.
And many of us believe embracing it as 'normal' harms society immeasurably.
It makes it sick...much like the original post suggested. Decadence has two
most notable observations when a society becomes so sick it's fiber is
challenged...Homosexuality is most definitely one. The other is
pornography.
Our society is so sick another 'deviant' behavior is even
rising...pedophilia. Are you, the liberal, so open minded as to even
'accept' this behavior just because there are some whose chemistry is simply
arranged that it be so? And don't kid yourself about victimless
behaviors...for as the society goes, we are all affected.
No...homosexuality, whether it is natural or not, has no functional value to
the species, and harms us overall. Sorry to gays. Live and let live I
say...but when they push an agenda to force the entire mainstream to their
way politically...well, we need to sober up and smell some coffee.
Even a gay should see the sense of this. Hell, nature deals us all some bad
cards in life. I should think gays should feel fortunate they live in times
they do as past eras they would not have been treated nearly so humanely.
But for them, as a group, to push and push and push for more and more...to
even threaten the very sanctity of marriage and the human family unit, that
most holy sacrosanct foundry of human envaluement...well, I suppose I should
think most of you here should pray you are right and there is no God.
By the time He shows up, I doubt he will have his better face on. But
then...a child's fantasyland vision...of course. We all know there is no
God. No...really. At least no old guy sitting on top of clouds to throw
down lightning bolts. But the oceans have tides nonetheless and even the
crust of the very continents upon which we exist, move like liquid water.
The orignal post mentioned the decadence of Weimar Germany before WWII...a
rising energy rubbing upon the vindication of a moral humanity by the more
primal beastly nature left over from the jungles...creating an exasperating
void whereupon, a leap across decadent hopelessness was warranted. A
faultline was created...and beneath it's violent arrest, A new hope
arose...in the form of Adolf Hitler.
That should tell you something about the possibility of God's faces.
The faultline of today is even greater than then; I am most assured of
that...for America herself has been, now...raped.
.

User: "turtoni"
Title: Re: Is Catholicism Now Unacceptable? Maryland Public Servant Fired For His Faith	01 Jul 2006 12:49:48 AM

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bam wrote:

"V" <V@forVendetta.uk> wrote in message
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johac wrote:

In article <1151444091.705811.315270@u72g2000cwu.googlegroups.com>,
"Sound of Trumpet" <soundoftrumpet@fastmail.fm> wrote:

http://www.wnd.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=50721

Is Catholicism now 'unacceptable'?

Patrick J. Buchanan

Buchanan is a notorious 'Culture Warrior' and here he is a gay basher
defending a bigot.

Some speech is unacceptable for a government figure. If I stated that
Catholics
should not hold office since the Bishops and the Pope have now
PUBLICALLY
demanded that they vote in line with the Church's instructions of face
excommunication, I would be labelled a bigot as well..

But you would be. That's different.

This guy merely said that homosexuality is deviant behavior. He probably
also would have said that orgies are deviant behavior, and that sleeping
with your neighbor's wife is deviant behavior, and alluring a young
person
to sex and drugs is deviant behavior. You guys will do anything to
confuse
the issue.

BAM

Homosexuality is being attracted to the same sex.
It is a normal variant.

The question is one of 'naturalness'...not normalcy. It is hardly normal.
It most certainly deviates from the norm.

And many of us believe embracing it as 'normal' harms society
immeasurably. It makes it sick...much like the original post suggested.
Decadence has two most notable observations when a society becomes so sick
it's fiber is challenged...Homosexuality is most definitely one. The
other is pornography.

Our society is so sick another 'deviant' behavior is even
rising...pedophilia. Are you, the liberal, so open minded as to even
'accept' this behavior just because there are some whose chemistry is
simply arranged that it be so? And don't kid yourself about victimless
behaviors...for as the society goes, we are all affected.

No...homosexuality, whether it is natural or not, has no functional value
to the species, and harms us overall. Sorry to gays. Live and let live I
say...but when they push an agenda to force the entire mainstream to their
way politically...well, we need to sober up and smell some coffee.

Even a gay should see the sense of this. Hell, nature deals us all some
bad cards in life. I should think gays should feel fortunate they live in
times they do as past eras they would not have been treated nearly so
humanely. But for them, as a group, to push and push and push for more and
more...to even threaten the very sanctity of marriage and the human family
unit, that most holy sacrosanct foundry of human envaluement...well, I
suppose I should think most of you here should pray you are right and
there is no God.

By the time He shows up, I doubt he will have his better face on. But
then...a child's fantasyland vision...of course. We all know there is no
God. No...really. At least no old guy sitting on top of clouds to throw
down lightning bolts. But the oceans have tides nonetheless and even the
crust of the very continents upon which we exist, move like liquid water.
The orignal post mentioned the decadence of Weimar Germany before WWII...a
rising energy rubbing upon the vindication of a moral humanity by the more
primal beastly nature left over from the jungles...creating an
exasperating void whereupon, a leap across decadent hopelessness was
warranted. A faultline was created...and beneath it's violent arrest, A
new hope arose...in the form of Adolf Hitler.

That should tell you something about the possibility of God's faces.

The faultline of today is even greater than then; I am most assured of
that...for America herself has been, now...raped.

As Sir.. Hamlet wood say:
Tho Does Protest tooo much.
"Tooly" has to deal with it's on deviation. Of that we can be sure.
.

User: "Jeff North"
Title: Re: Is Catholicism Now Unacceptable? Maryland Public Servant Fired For His Faith	30 Jun 2006 02:26:20 AM

On Thu, 29 Jun 2006 17:57:32 -0400, in alt.politics.homosexuality
"tooly" <rdh11@bellsouth.net>
<21Yog.1476$IF2.664@bignews7.bellsouth.net> wrote:

| The question is one of 'naturalness'...not normalcy. It is hardly normal.
| It most certainly deviates from the norm.
|
| And many of us believe embracing it as 'normal' harms society immeasurably.

Who is 'us' precisely?

| It makes it sick...much like the original post suggested. Decadence has two
| most notable observations when a society becomes so sick it's fiber is
| challenged...Homosexuality is most definitely one. The other is
| pornography.

Only 2??????

| Our society is so sick another 'deviant' behavior is even
| rising...pedophilia.

The incidents of paedophilia isn't rising just more and more people
are making it more visible. It's called educating the community.

| Are you, the liberal, so open minded as to even
| 'accept' this behavior just because there are some whose chemistry is simply
| arranged that it be so? And don't kid yourself about victimless
| behaviors...for as the society goes, we are all affected.

The only people supporting paedophilia are the paedophiles. Other
people, gay or straight, find these perpetrators as being sick and
vile.

| No...homosexuality, whether it is natural or not, has no functional value to
| the species, and harms us overall.

Please list what 'harms' are being caused by homosexuals.

| Sorry to gays. Live and let live I
| say...but when they push an agenda to force the entire mainstream to their
| way politically...well, we need to sober up and smell some coffee.
|
| Even a gay should see the sense of this. Hell, nature deals us all some bad
| cards in life. I should think gays should feel fortunate they live in times
| they do as past eras they would not have been treated nearly so humanely.

Tell Matthew Sheppard that he was treated humanely.
Tell the number of gay men and women who are bashed that they are
being treated humanely.

| But for them, as a group, to push and push and push for more and more...to
| even threaten the very sanctity of marriage and the human family unit, that
| most holy sacrosanct foundry of human envaluement...well, I suppose I should
| think most of you here should pray you are right and there is no God.

You should learn about your religion before opening your big mouth.
The Roman Catholic Church performed same-sex marriages for centuries.
Even 2 of the churches saints were married to each other.
The church, and god, had no problems with same-sex marriage all those
centuries ago, why should there be a problem now?

| By the time He shows up, I doubt he will have his better face on. But
| then...a child's fantasyland vision...of course. We all know there is no
| God. No...really. At least no old guy sitting on top of clouds to throw
| down lightning bolts. But the oceans have tides nonetheless and even the
| crust of the very continents upon which we exist, move like liquid water.
| The orignal post mentioned the decadence of Weimar Germany before WWII...a
| rising energy rubbing upon the vindication of a moral humanity by the more
| primal beastly nature left over from the jungles...creating an exasperating
| void whereupon, a leap across decadent hopelessness was warranted. A
| faultline was created...and beneath it's violent arrest, A new hope
| arose...in the form of Adolf Hitler.
|
| That should tell you something about the possibility of God's faces.
|
| The faultline of today is even greater than then; I am most assured of
| that...for America herself has been, now...raped.

---------------------------------------------------------------
jnorthau@yourpantsyahoo.com.au : Remove your pants to reply
---------------------------------------------------------------
.

User: "tooly"
Title: Re: Is Catholicism Now Unacceptable? Maryland Public Servant Fired For His Faith	02 Jul 2006 04:24:47 PM

The only people supporting paedophilia are the paedophiles. Other
people, gay or straight, find these perpetrators as being sick and
vile.

Thank you for making my case here. But, such pedophiles [sp...who
cares]...are probably functional to some sort of genetic malformation or
chemical makeup right...just as homosexuals are linked to a material reality
of their brains and bodies. But, to justify one group, while continuing to
see the other as 'vile and sick'...well, not rationally consistent, now is
it?
Of course I agree...and you have 'made a stand' in life...professed there
are things you cannot believe in, no matter their scientific or rational
justification. Good for you. I make the same stand 'against'
homosexuality, not to condemn the person, but the act.
There remains our instincts, a linkup of emotionality and intellect,
whereupon our better guide to life might be found...and some of us find
'homosexuality' also 'sick'...though I would not attach 'vile' to it [seems
I'm even more tolerant to you, as I judge no human as 'vile' except the
truely malformed and wicked (can't see any baby being that) ha]. I condemn
no one...but only work to protect the things that are important to us.
A homosexual is always welcome in my house even if his homosexuality is
not...for a human being is a human being no matter. But I plead to his
sanity and reason, that to force law to reorder the whole to sanctify his
malady that he/she live more comfortably, well, that is not really in
anyone's interest.
The grace the homosexual is given in todays world is rooted to that
humaneness evolved through much time and exposure of developing human
relations, and as I mention before, the greatest foundry of creation of
which, coming by way of the traditional family unit.
Destroying that, or making it weaker, or diffusing it's influence in any way
is 'insanity'...probably self destructivness pleading it's case to the court
that we should all destroy ourselves for sake that some of us are born
without tails [ref Aesop's fable].
.

User: "Andrealphus"
Title: Re: Is Catholicism Now Unacceptable? Maryland Public Servant Fired For His Faith	02 Jul 2006 04:42:12 PM

In News jQWpg.13484$Ud4.10636@bignews1.bellsouth.net,, tooly at
rdh11@bellsouth.net, typed this:

The only people supporting paedophilia are the paedophiles. Other
people, gay or straight, find these perpetrators as being sick and
vile.

It is rationally consistent if one considers the fact that one causes harm,
and the other does not.
--
Question with boldness even the existence of god; because if there be
one, he must more approve the homage of reason than that of blindfolded
fear. � Thomas Jefferson
.

User: "Jeff North"
Title: Re: Is Catholicism Now Unacceptable? Maryland Public Servant Fired For His Faith	03 Jul 2006 12:33:13 AM

On Sun, 2 Jul 2006 17:24:47 -0400, in alt.politics.homosexuality
"tooly" <rdh11@bellsouth.net>
<jQWpg.13484$Ud4.10636@bignews1.bellsouth.net> wrote:

| > The only people supporting paedophilia are the paedophiles. Other
| > people, gay or straight, find these perpetrators as being sick and
| > vile.
| >

Before I answer this post I need some clarification.
Which part is reference to Aesop's fables?

| Thank you for making my case here. But, such pedophiles [sp...who
| cares]...are probably functional to some sort of genetic malformation or
| chemical makeup right...just as homosexuals are linked to a material reality
| of their brains and bodies. But, to justify one group, while continuing to
| see the other as 'vile and sick'...well, not rationally consistent, now is
| it?
|
| Of course I agree...and you have 'made a stand' in life...professed there
| are things you cannot believe in, no matter their scientific or rational
| justification. Good for you. I make the same stand 'against'
| homosexuality, not to condemn the person, but the act.
|
| There remains our instincts, a linkup of emotionality and intellect,
| whereupon our better guide to life might be found...and some of us find
| 'homosexuality' also 'sick'...though I would not attach 'vile' to it [seems
| I'm even more tolerant to you, as I judge no human as 'vile' except the
| truely malformed and wicked (can't see any baby being that) ha]. I condemn
| no one...but only work to protect the things that are important to us.
|
| A homosexual is always welcome in my house even if his homosexuality is
| not...for a human being is a human being no matter. But I plead to his
| sanity and reason, that to force law to reorder the whole to sanctify his
| malady that he/she live more comfortably, well, that is not really in
| anyone's interest.
|
| The grace the homosexual is given in todays world is rooted to that
| humaneness evolved through much time and exposure of developing human
| relations, and as I mention before, the greatest foundry of creation of
| which, coming by way of the traditional family unit.
|
| Destroying that, or making it weaker, or diffusing it's influence in any way
| is 'insanity'...probably self destructivness pleading it's case to the court
| that we should all destroy ourselves for sake that some of us are born
| without tails [ref Aesop's fable].
|
|
|

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jnorthau@yourpantsyahoo.com.au : Remove your pants to reply
---------------------------------------------------------------
.

User: "Strife767"
Title: Re: Is Catholicism Now Unacceptable? Maryland Public Servant Fired For His Faith	29 Jun 2006 08:08:49 PM

On Thu, 29 Jun 2006 17:57:32 -0400, tooly <rdh11@bellsouth.net> wrote:

"V" <V@forVendetta.uk> wrote in message
news:44A2A14C.4783EE60@forVendetta.uk...

bam wrote:

"V" <V@forVendetta.uk> wrote in message
news:44A28084.A0572116@forVendetta.uk...

johac wrote:

In article <1151444091.705811.315270@u72g2000cwu.googlegroups.com=

"Sound of Trumpet" <soundoftrumpet@fastmail.fm> wrote:

http://www.wnd.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=3D50721

Is Catholicism now 'unacceptable'?

Patrick J. Buchanan

Buchanan is a notorious 'Culture Warrior' and here he is a gay =

basher

defending a bigot.

Some speech is unacceptable for a government figure. If I stated t=

hat

Catholics
should not hold office since the Bishops and the Pope have now
PUBLICALLY
demanded that they vote in line with the Church's instructions of =

face

excommunication, I would be labelled a bigot as well..

But you would be. That's different.

This guy merely said that homosexuality is deviant behavior. He =
probably
also would have said that orgies are deviant behavior, and that =
sleeping
with your neighbor's wife is deviant behavior, and alluring a young
person
to sex and drugs is deviant behavior. You guys will do anything to
confuse
the issue.

BAM

Homosexuality is being attracted to the same sex.
It is a normal variant.

The question is one of 'naturalness'...not normalcy.

In that case:
http://www.adherents.com/misc/paradoxEvolution.html

It is hardly normal.
It most certainly deviates from the norm.

So? Albinism does too. Just because something is unusual or uncommon =
doesn't make it bad.

And many of us believe embracing it as 'normal' harms society =
immeasurably.

We call those people "morons."
.

User: "johac"
Title: Re: Is Catholicism Now Unacceptable? Maryland Public Servant Fired For His Faith	29 Jun 2006 11:42:33 PM

In article <44A28084.A0572116@forVendetta.uk>, V <V@forVendetta.uk>
wrote:

johac wrote:

In article <1151444091.705811.315270@u72g2000cwu.googlegroups.com>,
"Sound of Trumpet" <soundoftrumpet@fastmail.fm> wrote:

http://www.wnd.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=50721

Is Catholicism now 'unacceptable'?

Patrick J. Buchanan

Buchanan is a notorious 'Culture Warrior' and here he is a gay basher
defending a bigot.

Some speech is unacceptable for a government figure. If I stated that
Catholics
should not hold office since the Bishops and the Pope have now PUBLICALLY
demanded that they vote in line with the Church's instructions of face
excommunication, I would be labelled a bigot as well..

Fortunately not all Catholics including some clergy don't always listen
to the Pope.
--
John Hachmann aa #1782
"Those who can make you believe absurdities can make you commit atrocities"
-Voltaire
Contact - Throw a .net over the .com
.

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