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User: "Immortalist"
Date: 23 Dec 2007 10:49:46 PM
Object: Is Christianity derived from a set of appropriated characteristics ofPagan systems of worship, which tried to convince Pagans to think that theRoman Catholic System was the same - as their own pagan worship?
The Two Babylons by Hislop
The Two Babylons is a book written by Alexander Hislop which asserts
and documents 2 main points:
1. That the Ancient Pagan systems of worship of false gods were based
on "mysteries", and that the genesis of those mysteries could be found
within the old Babylonian (chaldean) system of worship.
2. That the Roman Catholic Church - [soon after its creation which
occured 300 Years after Christ] - appropriated the characteristics of
Pagan systems of worship, in order to try to convince Pagans into
thinking that the Roman Catholic System was the same - as their own
pagan worship.
This was not a deception. It is simply true. The majority of the extra
teachings of the Roman Catholic Church do Not come from the Bible, but
from the teachings of Pagan Gods of the Pantheon (family) of false
Gods of the Roman Empire and Roman Emperors.
------
The relationship between the 1st spiritual Babylon (in Ancient
Babylon) and the 2nd spiritual Babylon (the Roman Catholic Church) is
not something difficult to prove. But it is something difficult to
understand - if you do not know anything about ancient systems of
Pagan worship.
The Ancient systems of the Worship of the Roman Pantheon of Gods is
well documented. Those systems of worship:
a. were around and Still in practice at the time of the Roman Empire
b. were filled with symbology, meanings and methods which are still to
be found in the Roman Catholic Church (and the Eastern Orthodox Church
also).
------
Some people today who know ONLY of either The Two Babylons by Hislop
or the book by Ralph Woodrow think that - the contents of The Two
Babylons are some kind of "original" work, and that no one else has
figured this out.
The fact is that several modern sources and books have said the same
thing as The Two Babylons in 2 key points:
A. Pagan Rituals all over the world related to different godess-
worship movement are actually Almost All actually the worship of
Cybele/Isis/Ishtar.
B. The Roman Catholic Church has absorbed many Pagan rituals from the
pantheon of false goos and goddesses that surrounded it in the Roman
Empire.
Alexander Hislop - author of The Two Babylons - documents that the
worship of Mary in the Roman Catholic System is actually a system of
worship that is not supplementing, but is rather competing with the
worship of God through His one and only Son Jesus Christ. The system
of Mary-worship in the Roman Catholic Church is actually the worship
of Semiramis, the great Mother-Goddess worshipped in ancient
civilizations, as a companion to Baal-Nimrod. Critics of the Two
Babylons would have us think that the worship of Semiramis was almost
non-existent and never widespread. But that is not the case. As the
Two Babylon documents further, the worship of Semiramis-Ishtar was the
standard practice of many Ancient Empires.
....Semiramis is the Greek form of Sammuramat. She was probably a
Babylonian (for it was she who imposed the Babylonian cult of Nebo or
Nabu upon the Assyrian religion). A column discovered in 1909
describes her as " a woman of the palace of Samsi-Adad, King of the
World, King of Assyria, King of the Four Quarters of the World." Ninus
was her son.
The dedication of this column shows that Semiramis occupied a position
of unique influence, lasting probably for more than one reign. She
waged war against the Indo-Germanic Medes and the Chaldaeans. The
legends probably have a Median origin. A popular etymology, which
connected the name with the Assyrian summat, " dove," seems to have
first started the identification of the historical SemIramis with the
goddess Ishtar and her doves.
.....All ancient systems of Pagan worship have all of the same elements
that the Bible in fact - describes them as having:
1. They all worship demons & demonic beings
2. They all believe in the existence of Giants and demi-Gods, who were
powerful and/or supernatural - but in any case always evil
3. They all included the worship of an ancient Mother Goddess
4. They all included a Common origin for all of the Human Race
5. They all included a system of an event which shattered the Race of
men's attempt - to build a global system to be unified
6. They all included a global flood
7. they all included the payment of blood as an atoning sacrifice for
sin (in regular terms, that means - often...human sacrifice)
8. they all included pyramids, in an imitation of the original tower
of Babel, and also as the Place to contact the Pantheon of Gods.
(concerning the Pyramids, contact with the false gods was attempted
either on the Top of the Pyramids [mexico] or in the Pyramids
[egypt] )
These elements are already found in common in the ancient systems of
Pagan worship. These elements already exits in the ancient Pagan
systems of worship in the various Empires.
So what is the surprise supposedly created by the assertions of
Alexander Hislop in the Two Babylons ?
The Roman Catholic Church began when all of those systems of worship
of foreign Gods was thriving in the Roman Empire, both in the East AND
in the West. So how difficult would it have been to appropriate those
elements of worship [of pagan gods], and simply bring them in...to the
Roman Catholic System ?
The Catholic Church STILL does this today, incorporating aspects of
local deities or local customs into its own. Pagan celebration days
are now Roman Catholic Celebration days. the titles of certain early
saints, were the titles of pagans who were being celebrated. And the
doctrines found in the Roman Catholic Church were those found in Pagan
systems and rituals - long before they were incorporated into the
Roman Catholic System. Many of the Roman Catholic Cathedrals in Europe
are built on the exact location where human sacrifices, and sacrifices
to false Gods were committed, so that the locals would start coming to
the Roman Catholic Church, as a sacred place. Those early buildings
were sacred because they were in honor, hommage, veneration and
worship of Foreign and Pagan Gods.
In fact, this is so well known - that many occultists are Former Roman
Catholics who figured this out, and then decided on their own "short
cut" and went straight into worshipping those Pagan Gods directly.
The problem for those occultists is that their research was not
complete enough.
Just because the Roman Catholic Church has a history of allowing
occult pagan gods and systems to corrupt its own church is Not related
to the actual text of the Bible iself
- to the surprise of occultists. The Bible (both the New Testament
and the Old Testament existed Long Before the Roman Catholic Church).
The Old Testament predates the advent of Christ on Earth {He was in
Heaven}, and and the New Testament pre-dates the Roman Catholic Church
by 300 years.
http://www.exorthodoxforchrist.com/two_babylons.htm
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Two_Babylons
.

User: "Bill M"

Title: Re: Is Christianity derived from a set of appropriated characteristics of Pagan systems of worship, which tried to convince Pagans to think that the Roman Catholic System was the same - as their own pagan worship? 24 Dec 2007 09:16:51 AM
ALL religions are founded on ancient myths and fables - nothing more!
"Immortalist" <reanimater_2000@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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The Two Babylons by Hislop

The Two Babylons is a book written by Alexander Hislop which asserts
and documents 2 main points:

1. That the Ancient Pagan systems of worship of false gods were based
on "mysteries", and that the genesis of those mysteries could be found
within the old Babylonian (chaldean) system of worship.

2. That the Roman Catholic Church - [soon after its creation which
occured 300 Years after Christ] - appropriated the characteristics of
Pagan systems of worship, in order to try to convince Pagans into
thinking that the Roman Catholic System was the same - as their own
pagan worship.

This was not a deception. It is simply true. The majority of the extra
teachings of the Roman Catholic Church do Not come from the Bible, but
from the teachings of Pagan Gods of the Pantheon (family) of false
Gods of the Roman Empire and Roman Emperors.

------

The relationship between the 1st spiritual Babylon (in Ancient
Babylon) and the 2nd spiritual Babylon (the Roman Catholic Church) is
not something difficult to prove. But it is something difficult to
understand - if you do not know anything about ancient systems of
Pagan worship.

The Ancient systems of the Worship of the Roman Pantheon of Gods is
well documented. Those systems of worship:

a. were around and Still in practice at the time of the Roman Empire

b. were filled with symbology, meanings and methods which are still to
be found in the Roman Catholic Church (and the Eastern Orthodox Church
also).

------

Some people today who know ONLY of either The Two Babylons by Hislop
or the book by Ralph Woodrow think that - the contents of The Two
Babylons are some kind of "original" work, and that no one else has
figured this out.

The fact is that several modern sources and books have said the same
thing as The Two Babylons in 2 key points:

A. Pagan Rituals all over the world related to different godess-
worship movement are actually Almost All actually the worship of
Cybele/Isis/Ishtar.

B. The Roman Catholic Church has absorbed many Pagan rituals from the
pantheon of false goos and goddesses that surrounded it in the Roman
Empire.

Alexander Hislop - author of The Two Babylons - documents that the
worship of Mary in the Roman Catholic System is actually a system of
worship that is not supplementing, but is rather competing with the
worship of God through His one and only Son Jesus Christ. The system
of Mary-worship in the Roman Catholic Church is actually the worship
of Semiramis, the great Mother-Goddess worshipped in ancient
civilizations, as a companion to Baal-Nimrod. Critics of the Two
Babylons would have us think that the worship of Semiramis was almost
non-existent and never widespread. But that is not the case. As the
Two Babylon documents further, the worship of Semiramis-Ishtar was the
standard practice of many Ancient Empires.

...Semiramis is the Greek form of Sammuramat. She was probably a
Babylonian (for it was she who imposed the Babylonian cult of Nebo or
Nabu upon the Assyrian religion). A column discovered in 1909
describes her as " a woman of the palace of Samsi-Adad, King of the
World, King of Assyria, King of the Four Quarters of the World." Ninus
was her son.

The dedication of this column shows that Semiramis occupied a position
of unique influence, lasting probably for more than one reign. She
waged war against the Indo-Germanic Medes and the Chaldaeans. The
legends probably have a Median origin. A popular etymology, which
connected the name with the Assyrian summat, " dove," seems to have
first started the identification of the historical SemIramis with the
goddess Ishtar and her doves.

....All ancient systems of Pagan worship have all of the same elements
that the Bible in fact - describes them as having:

1. They all worship demons & demonic beings

2. They all believe in the existence of Giants and demi-Gods, who were
powerful and/or supernatural - but in any case always evil

3. They all included the worship of an ancient Mother Goddess

4. They all included a Common origin for all of the Human Race

5. They all included a system of an event which shattered the Race of
men's attempt - to build a global system to be unified

6. They all included a global flood

7. they all included the payment of blood as an atoning sacrifice for
sin (in regular terms, that means - often...human sacrifice)

8. they all included pyramids, in an imitation of the original tower
of Babel, and also as the Place to contact the Pantheon of Gods.

(concerning the Pyramids, contact with the false gods was attempted
either on the Top of the Pyramids [mexico] or in the Pyramids
[egypt] )

These elements are already found in common in the ancient systems of
Pagan worship. These elements already exits in the ancient Pagan
systems of worship in the various Empires.

So what is the surprise supposedly created by the assertions of
Alexander Hislop in the Two Babylons ?

The Roman Catholic Church began when all of those systems of worship
of foreign Gods was thriving in the Roman Empire, both in the East AND
in the West. So how difficult would it have been to appropriate those
elements of worship [of pagan gods], and simply bring them in...to the
Roman Catholic System ?

The Catholic Church STILL does this today, incorporating aspects of
local deities or local customs into its own. Pagan celebration days
are now Roman Catholic Celebration days. the titles of certain early
saints, were the titles of pagans who were being celebrated. And the
doctrines found in the Roman Catholic Church were those found in Pagan
systems and rituals - long before they were incorporated into the
Roman Catholic System. Many of the Roman Catholic Cathedrals in Europe
are built on the exact location where human sacrifices, and sacrifices
to false Gods were committed, so that the locals would start coming to
the Roman Catholic Church, as a sacred place. Those early buildings
were sacred because they were in honor, hommage, veneration and
worship of Foreign and Pagan Gods.

In fact, this is so well known - that many occultists are Former Roman
Catholics who figured this out, and then decided on their own "short
cut" and went straight into worshipping those Pagan Gods directly.

The problem for those occultists is that their research was not
complete enough.

Just because the Roman Catholic Church has a history of allowing
occult pagan gods and systems to corrupt its own church is Not related
to the actual text of the Bible iself

- to the surprise of occultists. The Bible (both the New Testament
and the Old Testament existed Long Before the Roman Catholic Church).
The Old Testament predates the advent of Christ on Earth {He was in
Heaven}, and and the New Testament pre-dates the Roman Catholic Church
by 300 years.

http://www.exorthodoxforchrist.com/two_babylons.htm
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Two_Babylons

.
User: "Immortalist"

Title: Re: Is Christianity derived from a set of appropriatedcharacteristics of Pagan systems of worship, which tried to convince Pagans tothink that the Roman Catholic System was the same - as their own paganworship? 24 Dec 2007 07:35:22 PM
On Dec 24, 7:16 am, "Bill M" <wm...@bellsouth.net> wrote:

ALL religions are founded on ancient myths and fables - nothing more!

Suppose for a moment that Religion is a by-product of the way our
minds evolved to negotiate the natural and the social world,
additionally consider that if people were somehow raised from birth in
an environment devoid of most cultural influence, they would construct
basic elements of human social life ab initio, then you
quanitification of "ALL" would have to be vhanged to "SOME" or even
"MOST" since there is a possible outcome that you have failed to make
impossible by you thesis. In other words if religious behavior is
partly an inborn instinct and humans were raised with no cultural
influences from our cultural history, they could hypothetically
"found" a religion not in the least upon ancient myths and fables. See
below...
....Why are we humans predisposed to have only these kinds of religious
concepts? Boyer's answer, in brief, is that our brains have been
"designed by evolution" to employ particular cognitive systems that
help us to make sense of "particular aspects of objects around us and
produce specific kinds of inferences about them." There are, for
instance, brain-systems in this sense that deal with inanimate
objects, others that deal with human persons, and yet others that deal
with supernatural agents. Just as our brains have become by evolution
such that they inevitably (and mostly unconsciously) deploy the
complex inferential systems that permit us to survive and get around
in a world of inanimate objects, so they also have become such that we
find ideas about full-access strategic agents to be plausible because
these ideas generate for us rich inferences about how to behave and
what choices to make, and they do so with particular richness in a
social context in which we can reasonably assume that everyone else
shares such ideas.
Boyer thus reverses many traditional attempts to explain religion
away. It is not that we invent the gods because by so doing we can
meet needs otherwise difficult to satisfy, or because they permit us
to explain things otherwise hard to explain, or because they give us
the illusion of comfort in a harsh and comfortless world, or because
they give us persuasive reasons to act morally. It is, rather, that
evolution has equipped us (or most of us) with certain proclivities or
dispositions to explain misfortune, gain scarce social goods, and act
morally (by which Boyer means, roughly, acting in such a way as
evolutionarily to benefit either ourselves or the tribe). Moreover,
these proclivities dispose us to accept and act upon the idea that
there are gods--or, if you prefer, full-access strategic agents.
Evolution, in Boyer's story, makes all of us likely worshipers in much
the same way that it makes all of us likely language-users. We are
innately predisposed for both, and so such disparate religious
traditions as Christian theology, Islamic law, and Buddhist
metaphysics are merely different forms of baroque ornamentations added
on to an evolutionary edifice.
....Boyer's explanation for the attractiveness of Mass-going is that it
is a "snare for thought that produces highly salient effects by
activating special systems in the mental basement."
http://www.firstthings.com/ftissues/ft0201/reviews/griffiths.html
....if people were somehow raised from birth in an environment devoid
of most cultural influence, they would construct basic elements of
human social life ab initio. In short time new elements of language
would be invented and their culture enriched. Robin Fox, an
anthropologist and pioneer in human sociobiology, has expressed this
hypothesis in its strongest possible terms. Suppose, he conjectured,
that we performed the cruel experiment linked in legend to the Pharaoh
Psammetichus and King James IV of Scotland, who were said to have
reared children by remote control, in total social isolation from
their elders. Would the children learn to speak to one another?
I do not doubt that they could speak and that, theoretically, given
time, they or their offspring would invent and develop a language
despite their never having been taught one. Furthermore, this
language, although totally different from any known to us, would be
analyzable to linguists on the same basis as other languages and
translatable into all known languages. But I would push this further.
If our new Adam and Eve could survive and breed -- still in total
isolation from any cultural influences -- then eventually they would
produce a society which would have laws about property, rules about
incest and marriage, customs of taboo and avoidance, methods of
settling disputes with a minimum of bloodshed, beliefs about the
supernatural and practices relating to it, a system of social status
and methods of indicating it, initiation ceremonies for young men,
courtship practices including the adornment of females, systems of
symbolic body adornment generally, certain activities and associations
set aside for men from which women were excluded, gambling of some
kind, a tool- and weapon-making industry, myths and legends, dancing,
adultery, and various doses of homicide, suicide, homosexuality,
schizophrenia, psychosis and neuroses, and various practitioners to
take advantage of or cure these, depending on how they are viewed.
In 1945 the American anthropologist George P. Murdock listed the
following characteristics that have been recorded in every culture
known to history and ethnography:
Age-grading, athletic sports, bodily adornment, calendar, cleanliness
training, community organization, cooking, cooperative labor,
cosmology, courtship, dancing, decorative art, divination, division of
labor, dream interpretation, education, eschatology, ethics,
ethnobotany, etiquette, faith healing, family feasting, fire making,
folklore, food taboos, funeral rites, games, gestures, gift giving,
government, greetings, hair styles, hospitality, housing, hygiene,
incest taboos, inheritance rules, joking, kin groups, kinship
nomenclature, language, law, luck superstitions, magic, marriage,
mealtimes, medicine, obstetrics, penal sanctions, personal names,
population policy, postnatal care, pregnancy usages, property rights,
propitiation of supernatural beings, puberty customs, religious
ritual, residence rules, sexual restrictions, soul concepts, status
differentiation, surgery, tool making, trade, visiting, weaving, and
weather control.
From On Human Nature by Edward O Wilson http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/067463442X/

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The Two Babylons by Hislop


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User: ""

Title: Re: Is Christianity derived from a set of appropriated characteristics of Pagan systems of worship, which tried to convince Pagans to think that the Roman Catholic System was the same - as their own pagan worship? 25 Dec 2007 05:43:20 PM
On Mon, 24 Dec 2007 15:16:51 -0000, "Bill M" <wmech@bellsouth.net>
wrote:

ALL religions are founded on ancient myths and fables - nothing more!

Nice theory. It takes no study, no brains, no intelligence to make
such a statement, but you have made it. It figures.
But of course you cannot prove it.
Checker
.
User: "Christopher A.Lee"

Title: Re: Is Christianity derived from a set of appropriated characteristics of Pagan systems of worship, which tried to convince Pagans to think that the Roman Catholic System was the same - as their own pagan worship? 25 Dec 2007 06:46:11 PM
On Tue, 25 Dec 2007 16:43:20 -0700,
wrote:

On Mon, 24 Dec 2007 15:16:51 -0000, "Bill M" <wmech@bellsouth.net>
wrote:

ALL religions are founded on ancient myths and fables - nothing more!

Nice theory. It takes no study, no brains, no intelligence to make
such a statement, but you have made it. It figures.

A liar as well as an idiot.

But of course you cannot prove it.

Your dishonesty tells us you are a Christian.

Checker

<plonk>
.


User: "Michael Gray"

Title: Re: Is Christianity derived from a set of appropriated characteristics of Pagan systems of worship, which tried to convince Pagans to think that the Roman Catholic System was the same - as their own pagan worship? 25 Dec 2007 04:25:13 PM
On Mon, 24 Dec 2007 15:16:51 -0000, "Bill M" <wmech@bellsouth.net>
wrote:

ALL religions are founded on ancient myths and fables - nothing more!

The religions of Sun worship are not.
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