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Is Darwin Holy? |
http://www.sobran.com/columns/2005/051229.shtml
Is Darwin Holy?
Joseph Sobran
December 29, 2005
"The great sociologist of religion Emile Durkheim called the contrast
between the sacred and the profane the widest and deepest of all
contrasts the human mind is capable of making," wrote the late Robert
Nisbet. "Everything above the level of the instinctual, Durkheim
concluded, began in human veneration, awe, reverence of the sacred -
be it a god, spirit, grove of trees, or lake or stream. Religion in the
sense of gods, churches, liturgies, and bibles emerged in due time from
the primitive sacred essence. So did the rest of human culture, its
signs, symbols, words, drawings, and acts."
A fascinating observation. I happened to run across it while I was
marveling at the curious evangelical zeal of those who want Darwinism
taught in the public schools but want to ban the teaching of
intelligent design. Why do they care so much? Apparently nothing is
holy, but Darwin is Holy Writ.
I used to believe in evolution myself, but I took no joy in it. Who
could? If atheism is true, then nothing really matters - not even
atheism. Even as a kid I could see that. In my atheistic days I thought
nothing quite as silly as the militant atheist. I loved the story of
Jesus and the Catholic Church, I regretted losing my faith, and I
couldn't understand people who could be enthusiastic about living in
a cold, godless universe. I tried to make art - especially
Shakespeare and Beethoven - my consolation prizes for the religion
I'd lost. At least they made me feel as if I had a soul, even if the
cheerless dogma of Darwin said otherwise.
Then, as a young adult, I met two astounding people who might as well
have come straight from heaven on wings of angels. They were my first
two children. I could believe that the rest of the human race, myself
included, were accidents of mere matter, but it was soon obvious to me
that these two had immortal souls, and that I was responsible for them.
Life undeniably had a purpose after all - not survival, but love.
It wasn't just that I loved these kids; far more important, God loved
them and expected me to teach them about his love. Not to do so would
have been the worst form of neglect. And in teaching them that God
loved them, I realized that he loved me the same way, and always had,
even when I hadn't thought about him and denied his existence.
Now why would anyone want to teach kids that they are ultimately
worthless? I can see reluctantly believing that, maybe. But teaching it
eagerly?
Modern atheism, waving the banner of Science, has the emotional
character of a perverted religion, taking a morbid pleasure in
preaching and converting and, in its intolerance, demanding a
privileged place in education. This isn't just "separation of
church and state" - two things that are separate by nature anyway.
The glee with which Darwinists attack and insult Christianity tells you
what they really want, and why the idea of evolution appeals to them.
Like its nineteenth-century twin, Marxism, Darwinism demonstrates the
profound truth of the adage that misery loves company. Spoiled souls
always want to spoil other souls, as the drive for "sex education"
also shows. If I can't be innocent, neither can you! "Ye shall be
as gods." The Lord and the serpent both promise that the truth shall
make us free, but one of them is lying.
Survival isn't the purpose of life, just the necessary condition of
finding its real purpose. The universal sense of the sacred that
Durkheim noted is separate from the urge to survive, and often at war
with it. Biology can't explain the idea of the holy, which we all
share and, in varying degrees, understand, though nobody fully
comprehends it.
For Darwinism, the sense of the sacred is just awkward excess baggage,
possibly even a threat to survival. After all, atheism's only
commandment is "Thou shalt survive," and from its perspective what
could be more absurd than sacrifice and martyrdom, losing your life in
order to save it?
But denying a mystery is no way to solve it, and we are stuck with the
mystery of the human soul, which loves all sorts of useless things, as
long as they are true, or good, or beautiful. Any philosophy that
ignores our deepest loves is too crass to be interesting.
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19 Jan 2006 08:17:22 AM |
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"words of truth" <truth760@lycos.com> had me ROTFL with:
news:1137631901.692585.292230@g14g2000cwa.googlegroups.com:
http://www.sobran.com/columns/2005/051229.shtml
Is Darwin Holy?
No, just a man who had a functioning brain, you cretinous fucking shitstain.
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Lörd Phÿltêr
Alt.Atheism #1938
Denizen of Darkness #44 & AFJC Antipodean Attaché
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18 Jan 2006 08:13:42 PM |
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"words of truth" <truth760@lycos.com> wrote in message
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http://www.sobran.com/columns/2005/051229.shtml
Is Darwin Holy?
Why do you knucle dragging low brows still insist
on picking on Darwin? I mean good grief, that was
150 years ago. Do you think he is the only scientist
who contributed to evolution or are you just throwing
childish tantrums because he exposed the truth for
the world?! Creationism is done. We know better
now in something we call 'reality' in the 21st century.
Stop trying to drag us backwards and try and keep up!
How many of you are familiar with heliocentric theory?
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DaveJr wrote:
"words of truth" <truth760@lycos.com> wrote in message
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http://www.sobran.com/columns/2005/051229.shtml
Is Darwin Holy?
Why do you knucle dragging low brows still insist
on picking on Darwin? I mean good grief, that was
150 years ago. Do you think he is the only scientist
who contributed to evolution or are you just throwing
childish tantrums because he exposed the truth for
the world?! Creationism is done. We know better
now in something we call 'reality' in the 21st century.
Stop trying to drag us backwards and try and keep up!
How many of you are familiar with heliocentric theory?
Spoken like a true religious fundamentalist.
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utopian sentimentalism
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DaveJr wrote:<br>
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Is Darwin Holy?
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Why do you knucle dragging low brows still insist
on picking on Darwin? I mean good grief, that was
150 years ago. Do you think he is the only scientist
who contributed to evolution or are you just throwing
childish tantrums because he exposed the truth for
the world?! Creationism is done. We know better
now in something we call 'reality' in the 21st century.
Stop trying to drag us backwards and try and keep up!
How many of you are familiar with heliocentric theory?
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Spoken like a true religious fundamentalist.<br>
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18 Jan 2006 09:40:23 PM |
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"words of truth" <truth760@lycos.com> wrote in message
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http://www.sobran.com/columns/2005/051229.shtml
Is Darwin Holy?
Joseph Sobran
[...]
But denying a mystery is no way to solve it, and we are stuck with the
mystery of the human soul, which loves all sorts of useless things, as
long as they are true, or good, or beautiful. Any philosophy that
ignores our deepest loves is too crass to be interesting.
Joseph Sobran: another hate-filled, prideful fool pronouncing his judgement
on others as if only he knew the mind of God.
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20 Jan 2006 08:04:26 AM |
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Dale wrote:
"words of truth" <truth760@lycos.com> wrote in message
news:1137631901.692585.292230@g14g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
http://www.sobran.com/columns/2005/051229.shtml
Is Darwin Holy?
Joseph Sobran
[...]
But denying a mystery is no way to solve it, and we are stuck with the
mystery of the human soul, which loves all sorts of useless things, as
long as they are true, or good, or beautiful. Any philosophy that
ignores our deepest loves is too crass to be interesting.
Joseph Sobran: another hate-filled, prideful fool pronouncing his judgement
on others as if only he knew the mind of God.
Envy is good.
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Dale wrote:<br>
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<pre wrap="">"words of truth" <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:truth760@lycos.com"><truth760@lycos.com></a> wrote in message
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<pre wrap=""><a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="http://www.sobran.com/columns/2005/051229.shtml">http://www.sobran.com/columns/2005/051229.shtml</a>
Is Darwin Holy?
Joseph Sobran
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<pre wrap="">But denying a mystery is no way to solve it, and we are stuck with the
mystery of the human soul, which loves all sorts of useless things, as
long as they are true, or good, or beautiful. Any philosophy that
ignores our deepest loves is too crass to be interesting.
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<pre wrap=""><!---->
Joseph Sobran: another hate-filled, prideful fool pronouncing his judgement
on others as if only he knew the mind of God.
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Envy is good.<br>
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19 Jan 2006 10:25:43 AM |
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"words of truth" <truth760@lycos.com> wrote in message
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Is Darwin Holy?
He's certainly holier than thou!
George
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19 Jan 2006 05:39:13 AM |
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"words of truth" <truth760@lycos.com> wrote in message
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http://www.sobran.com/columns/2005/051229.shtml
Is Darwin Holy?
I've got a sock that is.
--
Jez, MBA.,
Country Dancing and Advanced Astrology, UBS.
'Realism is seductive because once you have accepted the reasonable notion
that you should base your actions on reality, you are too often led to
accept, without much questioning, someone else's version of what that
reality is. It is a crucial act of independent thinking to be skeptical of
someone else's description of reality.'-
Howard Zinn
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18 Jan 2006 07:28:02 PM |
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In <1137631901.692585.292230@g14g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>, "words of
truth" <truth760@lycos.com> wrote:
Is Darwin Holy?
No.
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Mark K. Bilbo
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Mark K. Bilbo wrote:
In <1137631901.692585.292230@g14g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>, "words of
truth" <truth760@lycos.com> wrote:
Is Darwin Holy?
No.
Then why do you evangelize Darwinism?
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Mark K. Bilbo wrote:<br>
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<pre wrap="">In <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:1137631901.692585.292230@g14g2000cwa.googlegroups.com"><1137631901.692585.292230@g14g2000cwa.googlegroups.com></a>, "words of
truth" <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:truth760@lycos.com"><truth760@lycos.com></a> wrote:
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No.
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Then why do you evangelize Darwinism?<br>
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19 Jan 2006 01:27:52 AM |
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In article <1137631901.692585.292230@g14g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>,
"words of truth" <truth760@lycos.com> wrote:
http://www.sobran.com/columns/2005/051229.shtml
Is Darwin Holy?
Nope. He was just a man.
--
John Hachmann aa #1782
"Those who can make you believe absurdities can make you commit atrocities"
-Voltaire
Contact - Throw a .net over the .com
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johac wrote:
In article <1137631901.692585.292230@g14g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>,
"words of truth" <truth760@lycos.com> wrote:
http://www.sobran.com/columns/2005/051229.shtml
Is Darwin Holy?
Nope. He was just a man.
A holy man?
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johac wrote:<br>
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<pre wrap="">In article <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:1137631901.692585.292230@g14g2000cwa.googlegroups.com"><1137631901.692585.292230@g14g2000cwa.googlegroups.com></a>,
"words of truth" <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:truth760@lycos.com"><truth760@lycos.com></a> wrote:
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<pre wrap=""><a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="http://www.sobran.com/columns/2005/051229.shtml">http://www.sobran.com/columns/2005/051229.shtml</a>
Is Darwin Holy?
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<pre wrap=""><!---->Nope. He was just a man.
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A holy man?<br>
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21 Jan 2006 03:26:06 AM |
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In article
<ue6Af.509117$zb5.343517@bgtnsc04-news.ops.worldnet.att.net>,
Roy Jose Lorr <mosestorah@worldnet.att.net> wrote:
johac wrote:
In article <1137631901.692585.292230@g14g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>,
"words of truth" <truth760@lycos.com> wrote:
http://www.sobran.com/columns/2005/051229.shtml
Is Darwin Holy?
Nope. He was just a man.
A holy man?
A smart man.
--
John Hachmann aa #1782
"Those who can make you believe absurdities can make you commit atrocities"
-Voltaire
Contact - Throw a .net over the .com
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19 Jan 2006 04:58:32 AM |
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No need for a Creator and certainly no need for the interpretation that
humans are descended from primordial foam and filth best adapted to
wash itself upon the seashores.
KP 271 Evolution Acolytes see this case and run for cover.
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21 Jan 2006 02:58:04 AM |
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In article <1137668312.313550.199060@g47g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>,
"Ha SATAN [Sin Tet Nun]" <hasatan@grex.cyberspace.org> wrote:
No need for a Creator and certainly no need for the interpretation that
humans are descended from primordial foam and filth best adapted to
wash itself upon the seashores.
KP 271 Evolution Acolytes see this case and run for cover.
Wrong.
From http://www.talkorigins.org/indexcc/CC/CC054.html:
Claim CC054:
The fossil humerus KP 271 is an apparently human fossil from four
million years ago, which, according to the standard evolutionary model,
is well before the appearance of modern humans.
Source: Lubenow, Marvin L. 1992. Bones of Contention: A creationist assessment of the
human fossils. Grand Rapids, MI: Baker Books, pp. 54-58.
Response:
1. Even a humerus from a chimpanzee looks similar to a human humerus;
it should not be surprising that the humerus from a closer relative
would look even more similar. However, the anatomical evidence strongly
indicates that the specimen is not human and is a good match with
Australopithecus anamensis (Lague and Jungers 1996).
Links:
Foley, Jim. 2004. Creationist arguments: Anomalous fossils.
http://www.talkorigins.org/faqs/homs/a_anomaly.html#kp271
References:
1. Lague, M. R. and W. L. Jungers, 1996. Morphometric variation in
Plio-Pleistocene hominid distal humeri. American Journal of Physical
Anthropology 101: 401-427.
655321
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21 Jan 2006 10:54:02 PM |
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655321 wrote:
In article <1137668312.313550.199060@g47g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>,
"Ha SATAN [Sin Tet Nun]" <hasatan@grex.cyberspace.org> wrote:
No need for a Creator and certainly no need for the interpretation that
humans are descended from primordial foam and filth best adapted to
wash itself upon the seashores.
KP 271 Evolution Acolytes see this case and run for cover.
Wrong.
From http://www.talkorigins.org/indexcc/CC/CC054.html:
Claim CC054:
The fossil humerus KP 271 is an apparently human fossil from four
million years ago, which, according to the standard evolutionary model,
is well before the appearance of modern humans.
Source: Lubenow, Marvin L. 1992. Bones of Contention: A creationist assessment of the
human fossils. Grand Rapids, MI: Baker Books, pp. 54-58.
Response:
1. Even a humerus from a chimpanzee looks similar to a human humerus;
it should not be surprising that the humerus from a closer relative
would look even more similar. However, the anatomical evidence strongly
indicates that the specimen is not human and is a good match with
Australopithecus anamensis (Lague and Jungers 1996).
Links:
Foley, Jim. 2004. Creationist arguments: Anomalous fossils.
http://www.talkorigins.org/faqs/homs/a_anomaly.html#kp271
References:
1. Lague, M. R. and W. L. Jungers, 1996. Morphometric variation in
Plio-Pleistocene hominid distal humeri. American Journal of Physical
Anthropology 101: 401-427.
655321
False.
Three sets of tests were done on the humerus and the outcome is that
the bone is that of a modern homo sapiens.
For references quotations citations etc cf. http://tinyurl.com/blwxb
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18 Jan 2006 10:33:29 PM |
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Sing along with me...:
PRATT PRATT PRATT, PRATTIPY-PRATT, PRATTPRATTPRATT, PRATTIPY-PRATT...
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Romans 2:24 revised:
"For the name of God is blasphemed among the Gentiles through you
cretinists, as it is written on aig."
Why I am not a christian:
http://www.carcosa.de/nojebus/nojebus
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"Thurisaz the Einherjer" <MAILTOcommoner@carcosa.de> wrote in message
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Sing along with me...:
PRATT PRATT PRATT, PRATTIPY-PRATT, PRATTPRATTPRATT, PRATTIPY-PRATT...
Sung to, 'The Archers', theme ??
--
Jez, MBA.,
Country Dancing and Advanced Astrology, UBS.
'Realism is seductive because once you have accepted the reasonable notion
that you should base your actions on reality, you are too often led to
accept, without much questioning, someone else's version of what that
reality is. It is a crucial act of independent thinking to be skeptical of
someone else's description of reality.'-
Howard Zinn
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"Jez" <iced_spear@nodamnspamdsl.pipex.com> wrote in message
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"Thurisaz the Einherjer" <MAILTOcommoner@carcosa.de> wrote in message
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Sing along with me...:
PRATT PRATT PRATT, PRATTIPY-PRATT, PRATTPRATTPRATT, PRATTIPY-PRATT...
Sung to, 'The Archers', theme ??
Curse my unfortunate maiden name ;)
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Resident Witchypoo
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Today our 'Scientific' society has certainly made 'evolution' into a hugely
fundamental part of belief , education and qualification.
Darwin is venerated and his works are the foundation of the huge
'evolution' cathedral called Science.
Without paying lip service to this belief no student can gain credence or
advancement in the world today.
Denial of the fundamentals of the 'evolution' faith causes apoplectic
reactions from adherants great and small.
The Bible tells us that there is only one who is Holy and that is God
Himself the Creator of Heaven and Earth and all that we have ever seen or
observed.
"words of truth" <truth760@lycos.com> wrote in message
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http://www.sobran.com/columns/2005/051229.shtml
Is Darwin Holy?
Joseph Sobran
December 29, 2005
"The great sociologist of religion Emile Durkheim called the contrast
between the sacred and the profane the widest and deepest of all
contrasts the human mind is capable of making," wrote the late Robert
Nisbet. "Everything above the level of the instinctual, Durkheim
concluded, began in human veneration, awe, reverence of the sacred -
be it a god, spirit, grove of trees, or lake or stream. Religion in the
sense of gods, churches, liturgies, and bibles emerged in due time from
the primitive sacred essence. So did the rest of human culture, its
signs, symbols, words, drawings, and acts."
A fascinating observation. I happened to run across it while I was
marveling at the curious evangelical zeal of those who want Darwinism
taught in the public schools but want to ban the teaching of
intelligent design. Why do they care so much? Apparently nothing is
holy, but Darwin is Holy Writ.
I used to believe in evolution myself, but I took no joy in it. Who
could? If atheism is true, then nothing really matters - not even
atheism. Even as a kid I could see that. In my atheistic days I thought
nothing quite as silly as the militant atheist. I loved the story of
Jesus and the Catholic Church, I regretted losing my faith, and I
couldn't understand people who could be enthusiastic about living in
a cold, godless universe. I tried to make art - especially
Shakespeare and Beethoven - my consolation prizes for the religion
I'd lost. At least they made me feel as if I had a soul, even if the
cheerless dogma of Darwin said otherwise.
Then, as a young adult, I met two astounding people who might as well
have come straight from heaven on wings of angels. They were my first
two children. I could believe that the rest of the human race, myself
included, were accidents of mere matter, but it was soon obvious to me
that these two had immortal souls, and that I was responsible for them.
Life undeniably had a purpose after all - not survival, but love.
It wasn't just that I loved these kids; far more important, God loved
them and expected me to teach them about his love. Not to do so would
have been the worst form of neglect. And in teaching them that God
loved them, I realized that he loved me the same way, and always had,
even when I hadn't thought about him and denied his existence.
Now why would anyone want to teach kids that they are ultimately
worthless? I can see reluctantly believing that, maybe. But teaching it
eagerly?
Modern atheism, waving the banner of Science, has the emotional
character of a perverted religion, taking a morbid pleasure in
preaching and converting and, in its intolerance, demanding a
privileged place in education. This isn't just "separation of
church and state" - two things that are separate by nature anyway.
The glee with which Darwinists attack and insult Christianity tells you
what they really want, and why the idea of evolution appeals to them.
Like its nineteenth-century twin, Marxism, Darwinism demonstrates the
profound truth of the adage that misery loves company. Spoiled souls
always want to spoil other souls, as the drive for "sex education"
also shows. If I can't be innocent, neither can you! "Ye shall be
as gods." The Lord and the serpent both promise that the truth shall
make us free, but one of them is lying.
Survival isn't the purpose of life, just the necessary condition of
finding its real purpose. The universal sense of the sacred that
Durkheim noted is separate from the urge to survive, and often at war
with it. Biology can't explain the idea of the holy, which we all
share and, in varying degrees, understand, though nobody fully
comprehends it.
For Darwinism, the sense of the sacred is just awkward excess baggage,
possibly even a threat to survival. After all, atheism's only
commandment is "Thou shalt survive," and from its perspective what
could be more absurd than sacrifice and martyrdom, losing your life in
order to save it?
But denying a mystery is no way to solve it, and we are stuck with the
mystery of the human soul, which loves all sorts of useless things, as
long as they are true, or good, or beautiful. Any philosophy that
ignores our deepest loves is too crass to be interesting.
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"Pierre" <peter.legge@btinternet.com> wrote in message
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Today our 'Scientific' society has certainly made 'evolution' into a
hugely fundamental part of belief , education and qualification.
Darwin is venerated and his works are the foundation of the huge
'evolution' cathedral called Science.
Without paying lip service to this belief no student can gain credence or
advancement in the world today.
Denial of the fundamentals of the 'evolution' faith causes apoplectic
reactions from adherants great and small.
The Bible tells us that there is only one who is Holy and that is God
Himself the Creator of Heaven and Earth and all that we have ever seen or
observed.
Yeah, well, the bible is a load of crap.
"words of truth" <truth760@lycos.com> wrote in message
news:1137631901.692585.292230@g14g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
http://www.sobran.com/columns/2005/051229.shtml
--
Jez, MBA.,
Country Dancing and Advanced Astrology, UBS.
'Realism is seductive because once you have accepted the reasonable notion
that you should base your actions on reality, you are too often led to
accept, without much questioning, someone else's version of what that
reality is. It is a crucial act of independent thinking to be skeptical of
someone else's description of reality.'-
Howard Zinn
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21 Jan 2006 02:01:07 AM |
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In article <dqp0pi$ovt$1@nwrdmz03.dmz.ncs.ea.ibs-infra.bt.com>,
"Pierre" <peter.legge@btinternet.com> wrote:
The Bible tells us
....not much at all, really. It's just a book.
655321
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In article <dqp0pi$ovt$1@nwrdmz03.dmz.ncs.ea.ibs-infra.bt.com>,
"Pierre" <peter.legge@btinternet.com> wrote:
The Bible tells us
...not much at all, really. It's just a book.
And a fictional one at that.
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19 Jan 2006 03:41:04 PM |
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Pierre wrote:
Today our 'Scientific' society has certainly made 'evolution' into a hugely
fundamental part of belief , education and qualification.
Darwin is venerated and his works are the foundation of the huge
'evolution' cathedral called Science.
Without paying lip service to this belief no student can gain credence or
advancement in the world today.
Denial of the fundamentals of the 'evolution' faith causes apoplectic
reactions from adherants great and small.
The Bible tells us that there is only one who is Holy and that is God
Himself the Creator of Heaven and Earth and all that we have ever seen or
observed.
The glib answer to this of course is "it would say that, wouldn't it."
After all, given the agenda it is trying to promote it is hardly going
to say different. How do you decide that the Bible is right and all
other religious texts are wrong in the equivalent statements?
Nicholas
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19 Jan 2006 05:03:23 PM |
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"Nicholas" <nmfa@netcomuk.co.uk> wrote in message
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Pierre wrote:
Today our 'Scientific' society has certainly made 'evolution' into a
hugely fundamental part of belief , education and qualification.
Darwin is venerated and his works are the foundation of the huge
'evolution' cathedral called Science.
Without paying lip service to this belief no student can gain credence
or advancement in the world today.
Denial of the fundamentals of the 'evolution' faith causes apoplectic
reactions from adherants great and small.
The Bible tells us that there is only one who is Holy and that is God
Himself the Creator of Heaven and Earth and all that we have ever seen or
observed.
The glib answer to this of course is "it would say that, wouldn't it."
After all, given the agenda it is trying to promote it is hardly going to
say different. How do you decide that the Bible is right and all other
religious texts are wrong in the equivalent statements?
Nicholas
Hi Nicholas - I think rather that the question should be - do we believe in
the God of the Bible or not?
There is massive evidence to show that the Judeo/Christian nations have
benefitted from belief in and acting on the Word of God, the Bible.
For instance we have used the 10 commandments as the basis for our legal
systems for a long time to great social benefit. Modern adherance to
'evolutionary' change has wrought a lot of social change, confusion and
downright unfair judgements.
There are so many facets of human life today which are affected by
'evolution' belief that it would be easy to suggest that little is normal.
The lack of belief in a Creator God has produced a society that has replaced
morality and love with political correctness.
The Bible if studied closely gives answers to all the ills of the world.
It especially shows a God who loves the world and will one day re-create it
to correct all the problems that man has caused on it.
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21 Jan 2006 02:05:09 AM |
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In article <dqp5rr$apn$1@nwrdmz01.dmz.ncs.ea.ibs-infra.bt.com>,
"Pierre" <peter.legge@btinternet.com> wrote:
For instance we have used the 10 commandments as the basis for our legal
systems for a long time
No, we haven't. Thankfully. The *bulk* of the so-called "10
commandments" have *never* been part of the legal system in the U.S. or
any other half-way enlightened society.
655321
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19 Jan 2006 05:17:49 PM |
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On Thu, 19 Jan 2006 23:03:23 +0000 (UTC), "Pierre"
<peter.legge@btinternet.com> wrote:
"Nicholas" <nmfa@netcomuk.co.uk> wrote in message
news:dqp11g$evbg$1@news3.infoave.net...
Pierre wrote:
Today our 'Scientific' society has certainly made 'evolution' into a
hugely fundamental part of belief , education and qualification.
Darwin is venerated and his works are the foundation of the huge
'evolution' cathedral called Science.
Without paying lip service to this belief no student can gain credence
or advancement in the world today.
Denial of the fundamentals of the 'evolution' faith causes apoplectic
reactions from adherants great and small.
The Bible tells us that there is only one who is Holy and that is God
Himself the Creator of Heaven and Earth and all that we have ever seen or
observed.
The glib answer to this of course is "it would say that, wouldn't it."
After all, given the agenda it is trying to promote it is hardly going to
say different. How do you decide that the Bible is right and all other
religious texts are wrong in the equivalent statements?
Nicholas
Hi Nicholas - I think rather that the question should be - do we believe in
the God of the Bible or not?
There is massive evidence to show that the Judeo/Christian nations have
benefitted from belief in and acting on the Word of God, the Bible.
And even more that it's been detrimental. Check out two millennia of
church-encouraged anti-Semitism as ordered by Chrysostom, Martin
Luther etc. Not to mention the dark ages and the horrors of the
reformation.
For instance we have used the 10 commandments as the basis for our legal
systems for a long time to great social benefit. Modern adherance to
'evolutionary' change has wrought a lot of social change, confusion and
downright unfair judgements.
No, we haven't. The ones at the top of the list order people to be
Christian. The others are pretty well universal to all cultures.
And there is no "adherence to evolutionary change" outside the deluded
imagination of fundamentalists.
There are so many facets of human life today which are affected by
'evolution' belief that it would be easy to suggest that little is normal.
*****.
Evolution is simply an observed fact.
The lack of belief in a Creator God has produced a society that has replaced
morality and love with political correctness.
More *****.
The Bible if studied closely gives answers to all the ills of the world.
Still more *****.
You can take your bible and use it to wipe the ***** from your
arsehole.
It especially shows a God who loves the world and will one day re-create it
to correct all the problems that man has caused on it.
Only in the fantasies of those who can't distinguish between fairy
stories and reality.
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19 Jan 2006 06:13:06 PM |
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Christopher A. Lee wrote:
On Thu, 19 Jan 2006 23:03:23 +0000 (UTC), "Pierre"
<peter.legge@btinternet.com> wrote:
"Nicholas" <nmfa@netcomuk.co.uk> wrote in message
news:dqp11g$evbg$1@news3.infoave.net...
Pierre wrote:
Today our 'Scientific' society has certainly made 'evolution' into a
hugely fundamental part of belief , education and qualification.
Darwin is venerated and his works are the foundation of the huge
'evolution' cathedral called Science.
Without paying lip service to this belief no student can gain credence
or advancement in the world today.
Denial of the fundamentals of the 'evolution' faith causes apoplectic
reactions from adherants great and small.
The Bible tells us that there is only one who is Holy and that is God
Himself the Creator of Heaven and Earth and all that we have ever seen or
observed.
The glib answer to this of course is "it would say that, wouldn't it."
After all, given the agenda it is trying to promote it is hardly going to
say different. How do you decide that the Bible is right and all other
religious texts are wrong in the equivalent statements?
Nicholas
Hi Nicholas - I think rather that the question should be - do we believe in
the God of the Bible or not?
There is massive evidence to show that the Judeo/Christian nations have
benefitted from belief in and acting on the Word of God, the Bible.
And even more that it's been detrimental. Check out two millennia of
church-encouraged anti-Semitism as ordered by Chrysostom, Martin
Luther etc. Not to mention the dark ages and the horrors of the
reformation.
Why-o-why-o-why do you consider the treatment of the Jews to be
significant in the light of all else that has happened in European
history? How are the Jews so much more important as victims than the
Chinese, Amerindians, East Indians, Africans, Irish, Arabs, and South
Sea Islanders?
Anti-semitism, ideed. As though the world had only one victim ever.
TCross
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19 Jan 2006 08:41:31 PM |
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Terry Cross wrote:
Christopher A. Lee wrote:
On Thu, 19 Jan 2006 23:03:23 +0000 (UTC), "Pierre"
<peter.legge@btinternet.com> wrote:
Hi Nicholas - I think rather that the question should be - do we believe in
the God of the Bible or not?
There is massive evidence to show that the Judeo/Christian nations have
benefitted from belief in and acting on the Word of God, the Bible.
And even more that it's been detrimental. Check out two millennia of
church-encouraged anti-Semitism as ordered by Chrysostom, Martin
Luther etc. Not to mention the dark ages and the horrors of the
reformation.
Why-o-why-o-why do you consider the treatment of the Jews to be
significant in the light of all else that has happened in European
history?
Missed the part in that paragraph about the dark ages and the
Reformation, I see. How very odd.
How are the Jews so much more important as victims than the
Chinese, Amerindians, East Indians, Africans, Irish, Arabs, and South
Sea Islanders?
He didn't say they were.
Enjoy putting words in other peoples' mouths much?
Anti-semitism, ideed. As though the world had only one victim ever.
OTOH, people who make issues out of quotes or contexts
that *simply aren't there* seem to be A-OK in your book,
which means that it'll be acceptable for someone to start
accusing you of being the Martian alien invasion scout
who stole their flamingo lawn ornament later on when this
thread really begins to degenerate badly.
-Chris Krolczyk
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Terry Cross wrote:
Christopher A. Lee wrote:
On Thu, 19 Jan 2006 23:03:23 +0000 (UTC), "Pierre"
<peter.legge@btinternet.com> wrote:
"Nicholas" <nmfa@netcomuk.co.uk> wrote in message
news:dqp11g$evbg$1@news3.infoave.net...
Pierre wrote:
Today our 'Scientific' society has certainly made 'evolution' into a
hugely fundamental part of belief , education and qualification.
Darwin is venerated and his works are the foundation of the huge
'evolution' cathedral called Science.
Without paying lip service to this belief no student can gain credence
or advancement in the world today.
Denial of the fundamentals of the 'evolution' faith causes apoplectic
reactions from adherants great and small.
The Bible tells us that there is only one who is Holy and that is God
Himself the Creator of Heaven and Earth and all that we have ever seen or
observed.
The glib answer to this of course is "it would say that, wouldn't it."
After all, given the agenda it is trying to promote it is hardly going to
say different. How do you decide that the Bible is right and all other
religious texts are wrong in the equivalent statements?
Nicholas
Hi Nicholas - I think rather that the question should be - do we believe in
the God of the Bible or not?
There is massive evidence to show that the Judeo/Christian nations have
benefitted from belief in and acting on the Word of God, the Bible.
And even more that it's been detrimental. Check out two millennia of
church-encouraged anti-Semitism as ordered by Chrysostom, Martin
Luther etc. Not to mention the dark ages and the horrors of the
reformation.
Why-o-why-o-why do you consider the treatment of the Jews to be
significant in the light of all else that has happened in European
history? How are the Jews so much more important as victims than the
Chinese, Amerindians, East Indians, Africans, Irish, Arabs, and South
Sea Islanders?
Can you show how any of the above are victims of being pursued around the
globe for ultimate extinction, as are the Jews? And since when have arabs
been earmarked for annihilation, and by whom?
--
The last stage of
utopian sentimentalism
is homicidal mania.
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<pre wrap="">Today our 'Scientific' society has certainly made 'evolution' into a
hugely fundamental part of belief , education and qualification.
Darwin is venerated and his works are the foundation of the huge
'evolution' cathedral called Science.
Without paying lip service to this belief no student can gain credence
or advancement in the world today.
Denial of the fundamentals of the 'evolution' faith causes apoplectic
reactions from adherants great and small.
The Bible tells us that there is only one who is Holy and that is God
Himself the Creator of Heaven and Earth and all that we have ever seen or
observed.
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<pre wrap="">The glib answer to this of course is "it would say that, wouldn't it."
After all, given the agenda it is trying to promote it is hardly going to
say different. How do you decide that the Bible is right and all other
religious texts are wrong in the equivalent statements?
Nicholas
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<pre wrap="">Hi Nicholas - I think rather that the question should be - do we believe in
the God of the Bible or not?
There is massive evidence to show that the Judeo/Christian nations have
benefitted from belief in and acting on the Word of God, the Bible.
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<pre wrap="">And even more that it's been detrimental. Check out two millennia of
church-encouraged anti-Semitism as ordered by Chrysostom, Martin
Luther etc. Not to mention the dark ages and the horrors of the
reformation.
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Why-o-why-o-why do you consider the treatment of the Jews to be
significant in the light of all else that has happened in European
history? How are the Jews so much more important as victims than the
Chinese, Amerindians, East Indians, Africans, Irish, Arabs, and South
Sea Islanders?
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Can you show how any of the above are victims of being pursued around
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globe for ultimate extinction, as are the Jews? And since when have
arabs <br>
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Pierre wrote:
"Nicholas" <nmfa@netcomuk.co.uk> wrote in message
news:dqp11g$evbg$1@news3.infoave.net...
Pierre wrote:
Today our 'Scientific' society has certainly made 'evolution' into a
hugely fundamental part of belief , education and qualification.
Darwin is venerated and his works are the foundation of the huge
'evolution' cathedral called Science.
Without paying lip service to this belief no student can gain credence
or advancement in the world today.
Denial of the fundamentals of the 'evolution' faith causes apoplectic
reactions from adherants great and small.
The Bible tells us that there is only one who is Holy and that is God
Himself the Creator of Heaven and Earth and all that we have ever seen or
observed.
The glib answer to this of course is "it would say that, wouldn't it."
After all, given the agenda it is trying to promote it is hardly going to
say different. How do you decide that the Bible is right and all other
religious texts are wrong in the equivalent statements?
Nicholas
Hi Nicholas - I think rather that the question should be - do we believe in
the God of the Bible or not?
Why don't you answer Nicholas' question instead of making up a new one?
There is massive evidence to show that the Judeo/Christian nations have
benefitted from belief in and acting on the Word of God, the Bible.
For instance we have used the 10 commandments as the basis for our legal
systems for a long time to great social benefit.
Only a few of the "commandments" are part of the legal system, and by
the way, the ones that are are also part of the legal systems of most
other non-Christian societies in history. I know of very few cultures
(and the ones that spring to mind were Christian! Hello Nazi Germany!)
that condoned murder, stealing, and whatever marriage taboos they had.
In the West no one is getting arrested for making graven images, etc,
so a lot of your "commandments" are completely ignored in a secular
society. Good thing too.
Modern adherance to
'evolutionary' change has wrought a lot of social change, confusion and
downright unfair judgements.
Social change was needed, confusion was experienced by the religious,
and they're confused anyway, and tell me what unfair judgements you are
referring to.
There are so many facets of human life today which are affected by
'evolution' belief that it would be easy to suggest that little is normal.
What facets of life are affected by believing evolution to be true?
What is "normal?"
The lack of belief in a Creator God has produced a society that has replaced
morality and love with political correctness.
You're from the US, I assume? Since when does the US suffer from the
lack of a belief in the "Creator God?" And how does political
correctness differ from morality and love? The intention of political
correctness is to have everyone treated fairly and with respect (no,
I'm not particularly politically correct).
The Bible if studied closely gives answers to all the ills of the world.
From what I've seen, the Bible creates more ills of the world than it
answers.
It especially shows a God who loves the world and will one day re-create it
to correct all the problems that man has caused on it.
Yeah, sure. If the "God" loves the world so much why does it send
tsunamis, earthquakes, hurricanes, wars, droughts, volcanoes, meteors,
etc. I know! It's because there is not "God," only nature.
I suggest you start school again from Grade 1, in a public school this
time, and forget about that home schooling.
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