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Is 'Do Unto Others' Written Into Our Genes? |
Is 'Do Unto Others' Written Into Our Genes?
http://www.nytimes.com/2007/09/18/science/18mora.html?ref=science&pagewanted=all
By NICHOLAS WADE
Where do moral rules come from? From reason? From God? Some suggest
morality can be found buried deep in evolution.
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| User: "Greywolf" |
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| Title: Re: Is 'Do Unto Others' Written Into Our Genes? |
18 Sep 2007 10:00:49 PM |
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"maff" <maff91@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:1190167323.203117.326460@19g2000hsx.googlegroups.com...
Is 'Do Unto Others' Written Into Our Genes?
http://www.nytimes.com/2007/09/18/science/18mora.html?ref=science&pagewanted=all
By NICHOLAS WADE
Where do moral rules come from? From reason? From God? Some suggest
morality can be found buried deep in evolution.
If only my fellow atheists and Christians of noble hearts and minds could
just see how cruelly, inhumanely and sadistically I'm being treated by the
'love thy neighbor as thyself' and 'Do unto others as you would have them do
unto you', evil and immoral 'Christian' crowd out my way; you all would have
a hard time lifting your jaws off the ground!
You hate to think how they'd act if they *weren't' such Jesus-loving,
God-believing 'Christians'.
And *completely* clueless as to just how depraved and immoral their actions
are. Not a clue as to what hypocrites they are.
What a *bizarre* mind-set these people possess. It's downright scary. And to
be soooo easily manipulated -- double scary. It is the *strangest* damn
psychological phenomenon I've ever come across -- and one of the most
dangerous.
Greywolf
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| User: "Michael Gray" |
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| Title: Re: Is 'Do Unto Others' Written Into Our Genes? |
19 Sep 2007 02:06:08 AM |
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On Tue, 18 Sep 2007 22:00:49 -0500, "Greywolf" <greywolf@cybrzn.com>
wrote:
"maff" <maff91@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:1190167323.203117.326460@19g2000hsx.googlegroups.com...
Is 'Do Unto Others' Written Into Our Genes?
http://www.nytimes.com/2007/09/18/science/18mora.html?ref=science&pagewanted=all
By NICHOLAS WADE
Where do moral rules come from? From reason? From God? Some suggest
morality can be found buried deep in evolution.
If only my fellow atheists and Christians of noble hearts and minds could
just see how cruelly, inhumanely and sadistically I'm being treated by the
'love thy neighbor as thyself' and 'Do unto others as you would have them do
unto you', evil and immoral 'Christian' crowd out my way; you all would have
a hard time lifting your jaws off the ground!
You hate to think how they'd act if they *weren't' such Jesus-loving,
God-believing 'Christians'.
And *completely* clueless as to just how depraved and immoral their actions
are. Not a clue as to what hypocrites they are.
What a *bizarre* mind-set these people possess. It's downright scary. And to
be soooo easily manipulated -- double scary. It is the *strangest* damn
psychological phenomenon I've ever come across -- and one of the most
dangerous.
Greywolf
Your case is on object lesson that while altruism may well be innate,
Christianity is certainly able to displace it with viciousness to an
extreme level.
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| User: "Greywolf" |
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| Title: Re: Is 'Do Unto Others' Written Into Our Genes? |
19 Sep 2007 08:32:16 AM |
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"Michael Gray" <mikegray@newsguy.com> wrote in message
news:0hi1f3hkk8mp3hgc0skq783mito817n95u@4ax.com...
On Tue, 18 Sep 2007 22:00:49 -0500, "Greywolf" <greywolf@cybrzn.com>
wrote:
"maff" <maff91@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:1190167323.203117.326460@19g2000hsx.googlegroups.com...
Is 'Do Unto Others' Written Into Our Genes?
http://www.nytimes.com/2007/09/18/science/18mora.html?ref=science&pagewanted=all
By NICHOLAS WADE
Where do moral rules come from? From reason? From God? Some suggest
morality can be found buried deep in evolution.
If only my fellow atheists and Christians of noble hearts and minds could
just see how cruelly, inhumanely and sadistically I'm being treated by the
'love thy neighbor as thyself' and 'Do unto others as you would have them
do
unto you', evil and immoral 'Christian' crowd out my way; you all would
have
a hard time lifting your jaws off the ground!
You hate to think how they'd act if they *weren't' such Jesus-loving,
God-believing 'Christians'.
And *completely* clueless as to just how depraved and immoral their
actions
are. Not a clue as to what hypocrites they are.
What a *bizarre* mind-set these people possess. It's downright scary. And
to
be soooo easily manipulated -- double scary. It is the *strangest* damn
psychological phenomenon I've ever come across -- and one of the most
dangerous.
Greywolf
Your case is on object lesson that while altruism may well be innate,
Christianity is certainly able to displace it with viciousness to an
extreme level.
It's also an object lesson as to what atheists positioned in so vulnerable
and defenseless a position can expect from these religious right crazies.
No, let me rephrase that; these are otherwise 'normal, decent, individuals
going along with what's being done to me. *That* is what so scary about it.
These Christians going 'with the flow' or turning a blind eye to my plight
are *not* a bunch of bible humpers standing on the edge of my property
screaming out that I'm 'possessed by Satan' and that I'm going straight to
Hell for my unbelief or anything of the sort; it's your every-day small-town
resident: *That's* what so scary. That and the fact that an unimaginarily
corrupt individual with the morals and ethics of a hyena and his underlings
have so easily, so successfully, manipulated these otherwise 'honorable'
area Christians to behave so abominably and so amazingly counter to their
religious principles and faith that should concern *all* freethinkers to the
point of sweat. Unless you were experiencing this bizarre, sadistic
treatment firsthand, you simply would not believe this kind of communal sick
behavior could possibly exist!
Michael, you're one of the few who has a sense of the real 'flavor' behind
what is going on out here.
But I've got to learn to quit with the 'in your face' approach I've been
using (out of desperation) in trying to get some sort of relief. It appears
my approach has been nothing but counterproductive. I can't afford to 'turn
off' the freethinking community.
Let me end this message with what *will* put an end to my suffering out
here. And that's for the Democrats in my 8th Congressional District (with
perhaps some help from the Party of Democrats at-large) to stand tall and do
something about Daniel J. Miron and the corrupt people tied to him
(including 'Democrats'!). To do nothing is to condone what's been done --
and *continues* to be done -- to me out here. They've got to put their foot
down if they're counting on any kind of credibility. Otherwise what the past
election has done is simply exchange one group of corrupt politicians for
another. I assume the position that what is being done to *this* atheist is
what the religious right and its 'allies' would like to do to *all*
freethinkers. To put us in our 'place'. In a sense, Michael, the
freethinking community is fortunate that I am suffering in so unfortunate a
way. You all can see what to expect from these loathsome creatures should
they ever gain even more power. Expect to be treated like a Jew in Hitler's
Germany. And that is NO exaggeration!
Greywolf
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| User: "Michael Gray" |
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| Title: Re: Is 'Do Unto Others' Written Into Our Genes? |
19 Sep 2007 08:12:41 PM |
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On Wed, 19 Sep 2007 08:32:16 -0500, "Greywolf" <greywolf@cybrzn.com>
wrote:
"Michael Gray" <mikegray@newsguy.com> wrote in message
news:0hi1f3hkk8mp3hgc0skq783mito817n95u@4ax.com...
On Tue, 18 Sep 2007 22:00:49 -0500, "Greywolf" <greywolf@cybrzn.com>
wrote:
"maff" <maff91@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:1190167323.203117.326460@19g2000hsx.googlegroups.com...
Is 'Do Unto Others' Written Into Our Genes?
http://www.nytimes.com/2007/09/18/science/18mora.html?ref=science&pagewanted=all
By NICHOLAS WADE
Where do moral rules come from? From reason? From God? Some suggest
morality can be found buried deep in evolution.
If only my fellow atheists and Christians of noble hearts and minds could
just see how cruelly, inhumanely and sadistically I'm being treated by the
'love thy neighbor as thyself' and 'Do unto others as you would have them
do
unto you', evil and immoral 'Christian' crowd out my way; you all would
have
a hard time lifting your jaws off the ground!
You hate to think how they'd act if they *weren't' such Jesus-loving,
God-believing 'Christians'.
And *completely* clueless as to just how depraved and immoral their
actions
are. Not a clue as to what hypocrites they are.
What a *bizarre* mind-set these people possess. It's downright scary. And
to
be soooo easily manipulated -- double scary. It is the *strangest* damn
psychological phenomenon I've ever come across -- and one of the most
dangerous.
Greywolf
Your case is on object lesson that while altruism may well be innate,
Christianity is certainly able to displace it with viciousness to an
extreme level.
It's also an object lesson as to what atheists positioned in so vulnerable
and defenseless a position can expect from these religious right crazies.
No, let me rephrase that; these are otherwise 'normal, decent, individuals
going along with what's being done to me. *That* is what so scary about it.
These Christians going 'with the flow' or turning a blind eye to my plight
are *not* a bunch of bible humpers standing on the edge of my property
screaming out that I'm 'possessed by Satan' and that I'm going straight to
Hell for my unbelief or anything of the sort; it's your every-day small-town
resident: *That's* what so scary.
Exactly my point: so-called 'moderate' Xtians are just as culpable of
the crimes committed by their fellow tribe members as if they had done
the dirty deeds with their own hands.
And I most definitely include amongst the guilty parties, those who
actively choose to be ignorant of said deeds.
That and the fact that an unimaginarily
corrupt individual with the morals and ethics of a hyena and his underlings
have so easily, so successfully, manipulated these otherwise 'honorable'
area Christians to behave so abominably and so amazingly counter to their
religious principles and faith that should concern *all* freethinkers to the
point of sweat. Unless you were experiencing this bizarre, sadistic
treatment firsthand, you simply would not believe this kind of communal sick
behavior could possibly exist!
That is precisely what the Christian Churches were established for!
Note that I am talking about *churches*, and the social hierarchy
thereby engendered, not the religious beliefs themselves, which are in
most cases wholly contradictory.
Michael, you're one of the few who has a sense of the real 'flavor' behind
what is going on out here.
But I've got to learn to quit with the 'in your face' approach I've been
using (out of desperation) in trying to get some sort of relief. It appears
my approach has been nothing but counterproductive. I can't afford to 'turn
off' the freethinking community.
I understand that.
But think of it as not so much abandoning a stance, but more as
reserving your ammunition for when its use will be effective.
Pressing the 'pause' button to regain a tactical advantage.
Let me end this message with what *will* put an end to my suffering out
here. And that's for the Democrats in my 8th Congressional District (with
perhaps some help from the Party of Democrats at-large) to stand tall and do
something about Daniel J. Miron and the corrupt people tied to him
(including 'Democrats'!). To do nothing is to condone what's been done --
and *continues* to be done -- to me out here. They've got to put their foot
down if they're counting on any kind of credibility. Otherwise what the past
election has done is simply exchange one group of corrupt politicians for
I wish that I could have some influence on that matter, but alas, even
though they allow dead people to vote, as well as macines, they may
not accept an Australian citizen voting from Australia as being
acceptable. ;)
another. I assume the position that what is being done to *this* atheist is
what the religious right and its 'allies' would like to do to *all*
freethinkers. To put us in our 'place'. In a sense, Michael, the
freethinking community is fortunate that I am suffering in so unfortunate a
way. You all can see what to expect from these loathsome creatures should
they ever gain even more power. Expect to be treated like a Jew in Hitler's
Germany. And that is NO exaggeration!
As you know, I think that the comparison is startlingly accurate on
many levels.
It must 'suck' big-time to be randomly chosen as a martyr though...
Greywolf
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| User: "Greywolf" |
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| Title: Re: Is 'Do Unto Others' Written Into Our Genes? |
19 Sep 2007 08:42:59 AM |
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"Michael Gray" <mikegray@newsguy.com> wrote in message
news:0hi1f3hkk8mp3hgc0skq783mito817n95u@4ax.com...
On Tue, 18 Sep 2007 22:00:49 -0500, "Greywolf" <greywolf@cybrzn.com>
wrote:
"maff" <maff91@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:1190167323.203117.326460@19g2000hsx.googlegroups.com...
Is 'Do Unto Others' Written Into Our Genes?
http://www.nytimes.com/2007/09/18/science/18mora.html?ref=science&pagewanted=all
By NICHOLAS WADE
Where do moral rules come from? From reason? From God? Some suggest
morality can be found buried deep in evolution.
If only my fellow atheists and Christians of noble hearts and minds could
just see how cruelly, inhumanely and sadistically I'm being treated by the
'love thy neighbor as thyself' and 'Do unto others as you would have them
do
unto you', evil and immoral 'Christian' crowd out my way; you all would
have
a hard time lifting your jaws off the ground!
You hate to think how they'd act if they *weren't' such Jesus-loving,
God-believing 'Christians'.
And *completely* clueless as to just how depraved and immoral their
actions
are. Not a clue as to what hypocrites they are.
What a *bizarre* mind-set these people possess. It's downright scary. And
to
be soooo easily manipulated -- double scary. It is the *strangest* damn
psychological phenomenon I've ever come across -- and one of the most
dangerous.
Greywolf
Your case is on object lesson that while altruism may well be innate,
Christianity is certainly able to displace it with viciousness to an
extreme level.
Let me just follow-up my previous reply by reporting that *part* of the
mistreatment I've been on the receiving end by these religiously diseased
extremists and their politically corrupt overlords is due to their concerted
effort to turn me into a 'Christian'!! I kid you not!! These sick, demented,
retardos have held a belief that with a little bit of Christian 'tough
love', I'd become one of *them*. Now how god-damn stupid can these morons
get?! They're lucky that I've shown enough mental toughness to maintain my
respect and admiration for the Christian of good heart and noble mind and
not utterly despise and hate with a vengeful, bitter *hate* of *all*
Christians, *regardless* of stripe. But, I'm happy to report, I've
maintained a reasonable amount of common sense and an intact integrity. *****
on the bastards. They're never going to torture me into becoming one of
them. I'd commit suicide before *that* and die one damn proud atheist!
Greywolf
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| User: "Michael Gray" |
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19 Sep 2007 08:16:59 PM |
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On Wed, 19 Sep 2007 08:42:59 -0500, "Greywolf" <greywolf@cybrzn.com>
wrote:
"Michael Gray" <mikegray@newsguy.com> wrote in message
news:0hi1f3hkk8mp3hgc0skq783mito817n95u@4ax.com...
On Tue, 18 Sep 2007 22:00:49 -0500, "Greywolf" <greywolf@cybrzn.com>
wrote:
"maff" <maff91@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:1190167323.203117.326460@19g2000hsx.googlegroups.com...
Is 'Do Unto Others' Written Into Our Genes?
http://www.nytimes.com/2007/09/18/science/18mora.html?ref=science&pagewanted=all
By NICHOLAS WADE
Where do moral rules come from? From reason? From God? Some suggest
morality can be found buried deep in evolution.
If only my fellow atheists and Christians of noble hearts and minds could
just see how cruelly, inhumanely and sadistically I'm being treated by the
'love thy neighbor as thyself' and 'Do unto others as you would have them
do
unto you', evil and immoral 'Christian' crowd out my way; you all would
have
a hard time lifting your jaws off the ground!
You hate to think how they'd act if they *weren't' such Jesus-loving,
God-believing 'Christians'.
And *completely* clueless as to just how depraved and immoral their
actions
are. Not a clue as to what hypocrites they are.
What a *bizarre* mind-set these people possess. It's downright scary. And
to
be soooo easily manipulated -- double scary. It is the *strangest* damn
psychological phenomenon I've ever come across -- and one of the most
dangerous.
Greywolf
Your case is on object lesson that while altruism may well be innate,
Christianity is certainly able to displace it with viciousness to an
extreme level.
Let me just follow-up my previous reply by reporting that *part* of the
mistreatment I've been on the receiving end by these religiously diseased
extremists and their politically corrupt overlords is due to their concerted
effort to turn me into a 'Christian'!! I kid you not!! These sick, demented,
retardos have held a belief that with a little bit of Christian 'tough
love', I'd become one of *them*. Now how god-damn stupid can these morons
get?! They're lucky that I've shown enough mental toughness to maintain my
respect and admiration for the Christian of good heart and noble mind and
not utterly despise and hate with a vengeful, bitter *hate* of *all*
Christians, *regardless* of stripe. But, I'm happy to report, I've
maintained a reasonable amount of common sense and an intact integrity. *****
on the bastards. They're never going to torture me into becoming one of
them. I'd commit suicide before *that* and die one damn proud atheist!
Greywolf
It is the meme inside their now empty heads, pulling their strings
like so many brain-dead zombies.
The Xtian meme wants your head to lay it's eggs in, and your voice to
spread thge parasite yet further.
These are sick individuals, infected with the virus of blind faith.
And New York has witnessed what comes from blind faith.
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| User: "V" |
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20 Sep 2007 02:45:35 PM |
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On Sep 18, 10:02?pm, maff <maf...@yahoo.com> wrote:
Is 'Do Unto Others' Written Into Our Genes?http://www.nytimes.com/2007/09/18/science/18mora.html?ref=science&pag...
By NICHOLAS WADE
Where do moral rules come from? From reason? From God? Some suggest
morality can be found buried deep in evolution.
Humans need moral guidance or a moral conscience since they have a
'free will' of sorts.
Actually it is like this.
We are free to do what we want -- but are not free to want what we
want.
All our actions have consequences, and many of our actions produce
consequences that end up destroying peace. (both ours and other's
peace).
This is what separates us from the animals that run solely on
instinct.
Humans run by instinct as well as moral guidance.
Whether this moral conscience in divinely inspired or from Nature I
don't know - that is why I am an agnostic.
But If I had to guess I would lean towards the atheistic view of
Nature based, since I have not found any evidence of a God such as the
monotheists claim.
.....my discussion of this topic from an earlier post.
http://jesusneverexisted.org/jne/forum/index.php?topic=504.0
Take care,
V (Male)
Agnostic Freethinker
Practical Philosopher
AA#2
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