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Religions > Atheism |
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"Yang, AthD h.c" |
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06 Sep 2004 01:57:42 PM |
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Is Duke a Liar For Saying That He "Served"? |
I report, you decide.
"No, we both served, but you hide."
-Earl Weber, 9/6/2004
"Now, did I want to go? Hell no. "
-Duke, explaining why it was patriotic for him to skip out on
Vietnam.
http://groups.google.com/groups?q=yang++alt.atheism+duke+hell+no&hl=en&lr=&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8&selm=5vki609f0ieglkd26debhtqmqjab4cqkrr%404ax.com&rnum=1
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Yang
a.a. #28
AthD (h.c.) conferred by the regents of the LCL
a.a. pastor #-273.15, the most frigid church of Celcius nee Kelvin
EAC Econometric Forecast and Sorcery Division
Proudly plonked by Lani Girl and Crazyalec
The Bush 'balanced' budget: 1.2 trillion and worsening
The Bush 'economic' policy: -3 million jobs and counting
The Bush Iraq lie: -996 GIs, one friend's co-worker's son and mounting
Having Bush ***** up my country: Worthless
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| User: "Vash The Stampede" |
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| Title: Re: Vash The Stampede Says: DILLIGAF |
08 Sep 2004 12:02:07 AM |
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On Tue, 07 Sep 2004 21:44:47 -0700, Yang, AthD (h.c) wrote:
On Tue, 07 Sep 2004 23:10:28 GMT, Vash The Stampede <trigun@2am.cn>
wrote:
On Mon, 06 Sep 2004 11:57:42 -0700, Yang, AthD (h.c) wrote:
I report, you decide.
Who friggin cares?
You, apparaently.
Just in hopes you'll stop posting CRAP!
Can't report issues, so you attack character?
NeoCon chickenhawk Draft Dodgers for the Truth, *****. Deal with it.
As I said...
C'mon. now call me 'anime boy' and teel me to stick my head up my *****...
Hey, anime boy, go stick your head up your *****.
Thank you for not surprising me...
"No, we both served, but you hide."
-Earl Weber, 9/6/2004
"Now, did I want to go? Hell no. "
-Duke, explaining why it was patriotic for him to skip out on
Vietnam.
http://groups.google.com/groups?q=yang++alt.atheism+duke+hell+no&hl=en&lr=&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8&selm=5vki609f0ieglkd26debhtqmqjab4cqkrr%404ax.com&rnum=1
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Yang
a.a. #28
AthD (h.c.) conferred by the regents of the LCL
a.a. pastor #-273.15, the most frigid church of Celcius nee Kelvin
EAC Econometric Forecast and Sorcery Division
Proudly plonked by Lani Girl and Crazyalec
The Bush 'balanced' budget: 1.2 trillion and worsening
The Bush 'economic' policy: -3 million jobs and counting
The Bush Iraq lie: -1000 GIs, one friend's co-worker's son and mounting
Having Bush ***** up my country: Worthless
.
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| User: "Yang, AthD h.c" |
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| Title: Re: Vash The Stampede Says: DILLIGAF |
08 Sep 2004 12:12:48 AM |
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On Wed, 08 Sep 2004 05:02:07 GMT, Vash The Stampede <trigun@2am.cn>
wrote:
On Tue, 07 Sep 2004 21:44:47 -0700, Yang, AthD (h.c) wrote:
On Tue, 07 Sep 2004 23:10:28 GMT, Vash The Stampede <trigun@2am.cn>
wrote:
On Mon, 06 Sep 2004 11:57:42 -0700, Yang, AthD (h.c) wrote:
I report, you decide.
Who friggin cares?
You, apparaently.
Just in hopes you'll stop posting CRAP!
Afraid of a little truth? What part of GI's dying in Iraq, WMD claims
turned out to be lie, Bush's AWOL-coke snorting past invalidates his
claim of a "honor and dignity" White House, Bush's sheer incompetence
on the national debt, the medicare, the economy don't you like?
-----
Yang
a.a. #28
AthD (h.c.) conferred by the regents of the LCL
a.a. pastor #-273.15, the most frigid church of Celcius nee Kelvin
EAC Econometric Forecast and Sorcery Division
Proudly plonked by Lani Girl and Crazyalec
The Bush 'balanced' budget: 1.2 trillion and worsening
The Bush 'economic' policy: -3 million jobs and counting
The Bush Iraq lie: -1000 GIs, one friend's co-worker's son and mounting
Having Bush ***** up my country: Worthless
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| User: "Hanoi Jane Fonda" |
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| Title: PROOF THAT LIBERALS HATE AMERICA ==> Vash The Stampede Says: DILLIGAF |
08 Sep 2004 02:54:09 AM |
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On Tue, 07 Sep 2004 22:12:48 -0700, "Yang, AthD (h.c)"
<eacmole@/*AWOLBUSH*/mail.com> wrote:
On Wed, 08 Sep 2004 05:02:07 GMT, Vash The Stampede <trigun@2am.cn>
wrote:
On Tue, 07 Sep 2004 21:44:47 -0700, Yang, AthD (h.c) wrote:
On Tue, 07 Sep 2004 23:10:28 GMT, Vash The Stampede <trigun@2am.cn>
wrote:
On Mon, 06 Sep 2004 11:57:42 -0700, Yang, AthD (h.c) wrote:
I report, you decide.
Who friggin cares?
You, apparaently.
Just in hopes you'll stop posting CRAP!
Afraid of a little truth? What part of GI's dying in Iraq, WMD claims
turned out to be lie, Bush's AWOL-coke snorting past invalidates his
claim of a "honor and dignity" White House, Bush's sheer incompetence
on the national debt, the medicare, the economy don't you like?
-----
Yang
a.a. #28
AthD (h.c.) conferred by the regents of the LCL
a.a. pastor #-273.15, the most frigid church of Celcius nee Kelvin
EAC Econometric Forecast and Sorcery Division
Proudly plonked by Lani Girl and Crazyalec
The Bush 'balanced' budget: 1.2 trillion and worsening
The Bush 'economic' policy: -3 million jobs and counting
The Bush Iraq lie: -1000 GIs, one friend's co-worker's son and mounting
Having Bush ***** up my country: Worthless
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| User: "Vash The Stampede" |
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| Title: Re: Vash The Stampede Says: DILLIGAF |
08 Sep 2004 08:34:52 PM |
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On Tue, 07 Sep 2004 22:12:48 -0700, Yang, AthD (h.c) wrote:
On Wed, 08 Sep 2004 05:02:07 GMT, Vash The Stampede <trigun@2am.cn>
wrote:
On Tue, 07 Sep 2004 21:44:47 -0700, Yang, AthD (h.c) wrote:
On Tue, 07 Sep 2004 23:10:28 GMT, Vash The Stampede <trigun@2am.cn>
wrote:
On Mon, 06 Sep 2004 11:57:42 -0700, Yang, AthD (h.c) wrote:
I report, you decide.
Who friggin cares?
You, apparaently.
Just in hopes you'll stop posting CRAP!
Afraid of a little truth? What part of GI's dying in Iraq, WMD claims
turned out to be lie, Bush's AWOL-coke snorting past invalidates his
claim of a "honor and dignity" White House, Bush's sheer incompetence
on the national debt, the medicare, the economy don't you like?
OK, so I can't debate some of your points.
But, the economy is not *that* bad, as bad as you would have us believe.
Coke snorting? So he had a white nose once or twice. And Clinton 'didn't'
inhale, right? How often has your nose been white? Or Kerry's? They had
*good* weed in 'Nam...ask any vet! Me? I hate 'snow'. Not worth the money.
Chivas on the rocks is much, much better!
And Medicare is not in that bad a state, ATC.
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Yang
a.a. #28
AthD (h.c.) conferred by the regents of the LCL a.a. pastor #-273.15,
the most frigid church of Celcius nee Kelvin EAC Econometric Forecast
and Sorcery Division Proudly plonked by Lani Girl and Crazyalec
The Bush 'balanced' budget: 1.2 trillion and worsening The Bush
'economic' policy: -3 million jobs and counting The Bush Iraq lie:
-1000 GIs, one friend's co-worker's son and mounting
Having Bush ***** up my country: Worthless
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| User: "Yang, AthD h.c" |
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| Title: Re: Vash The Stampede Says: DILLIGAF |
08 Sep 2004 09:13:26 PM |
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On Thu, 09 Sep 2004 01:34:52 GMT, Vash The Stampede <trigun@2am.cn>
wrote:
On Tue, 07 Sep 2004 22:12:48 -0700, Yang, AthD (h.c) wrote:
On Wed, 08 Sep 2004 05:02:07 GMT, Vash The Stampede <trigun@2am.cn>
wrote:
On Tue, 07 Sep 2004 21:44:47 -0700, Yang, AthD (h.c) wrote:
On Tue, 07 Sep 2004 23:10:28 GMT, Vash The Stampede <trigun@2am.cn>
wrote:
On Mon, 06 Sep 2004 11:57:42 -0700, Yang, AthD (h.c) wrote:
I report, you decide.
Who friggin cares?
You, apparaently.
Just in hopes you'll stop posting CRAP!
Afraid of a little truth? What part of GI's dying in Iraq, WMD claims
turned out to be lie, Bush's AWOL-coke snorting past invalidates his
claim of a "honor and dignity" White House, Bush's sheer incompetence
on the national debt, the medicare, the economy don't you like?
OK, so I can't debate some of your points.
Look, at this point being a conservative and being a Republican are
two completely different things. Non-defense spending has gone up
faster under Bush than under Clinton.
But, the economy is not *that* bad, as bad as you would have us believe.
No, it's merely far worse than what AWOL woudl have you believe, it is
his own estiamtes, not mine that his policies would lead to an average
of 300.000 job gains a month.
Coke snorting? So he had a white nose once or twice. And Clinton 'didn't'
inhale, right? How often has your nose been white? Or Kerry's? They had
*good* weed in 'Nam...ask any vet! Me? I hate 'snow'. Not worth the money.
Chivas on the rocks is much, much better!
You're right, but since Bush ran on a "bringing honor and dignity back
to the White House" platform, it is only fair that he gets hoisted by
his own petard.
And Medicare is not in that bad a state, ATC.
No, it's only worse now. Everything Bush touches turns to *****.
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Yang
a.a. #28
AthD (h.c.) conferred by the regents of the LCL
a.a. pastor #-273.15, the most frigid church of Celcius nee Kelvin
EAC Econometric Forecast and Sorcery Division
Proudly plonked by Lani Girl and Crazyalec
The Bush 'balanced' budget: 1.2 trillion and worsening
The Bush 'economic' policy: -3 million jobs and counting
The Bush Iraq lie: -1003 GIs, one friend's co-worker's son and mounting
Having Bush ***** up my country: Worthless
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| User: "Hanoi Jane Fonda" |
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| Title: PROOF THAT LIBERALS HATE AMERICA ==> Vash The Stampede Says: DILLIGAF |
08 Sep 2004 10:54:29 PM |
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On Wed, 08 Sep 2004 19:13:26 -0700, "Yang, AthD (h.c)"
<eacmole@/*AWOLBUSH*/mail.com> wrote:
On Thu, 09 Sep 2004 01:34:52 GMT, Vash The Stampede <trigun@2am.cn>
wrote:
On Tue, 07 Sep 2004 22:12:48 -0700, Yang, AthD (h.c) wrote:
On Wed, 08 Sep 2004 05:02:07 GMT, Vash The Stampede <trigun@2am.cn>
wrote:
On Tue, 07 Sep 2004 21:44:47 -0700, Yang, AthD (h.c) wrote:
On Tue, 07 Sep 2004 23:10:28 GMT, Vash The Stampede <trigun@2am.cn>
wrote:
On Mon, 06 Sep 2004 11:57:42 -0700, Yang, AthD (h.c) wrote:
I report, you decide.
Who friggin cares?
You, apparaently.
Just in hopes you'll stop posting CRAP!
Afraid of a little truth? What part of GI's dying in Iraq, WMD claims
turned out to be lie, Bush's AWOL-coke snorting past invalidates his
claim of a "honor and dignity" White House, Bush's sheer incompetence
on the national debt, the medicare, the economy don't you like?
OK, so I can't debate some of your points.
Look, at this point being a conservative and being a Republican are
two completely different things. Non-defense spending has gone up
faster under Bush than under Clinton.
But, the economy is not *that* bad, as bad as you would have us believe.
No, it's merely far worse than what AWOL woudl have you believe, it is
his own estiamtes, not mine that his policies would lead to an average
of 300.000 job gains a month.
Coke snorting? So he had a white nose once or twice. And Clinton 'didn't'
inhale, right? How often has your nose been white? Or Kerry's? They had
*good* weed in 'Nam...ask any vet! Me? I hate 'snow'. Not worth the money.
Chivas on the rocks is much, much better!
You're right, but since Bush ran on a "bringing honor and dignity back
to the White House" platform, it is only fair that he gets hoisted by
his own petard.
And Medicare is not in that bad a state, ATC.
No, it's only worse now. Everything Bush touches turns to *****.
-----
Yang
a.a. #28
AthD (h.c.) conferred by the regents of the LCL
a.a. pastor #-273.15, the most frigid church of Celcius nee Kelvin
EAC Econometric Forecast and Sorcery Division
Proudly plonked by Lani Girl and Crazyalec
The Bush 'balanced' budget: 1.2 trillion and worsening
The Bush 'economic' policy: -3 million jobs and counting
The Bush Iraq lie: -1003 GIs, one friend's co-worker's son and mounting
Having Bush ***** up my country: Worthless
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| User: "Vash The Stampede" |
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| Title: Re: PROOF THAT LIBERALS HATE AMERICA ==> Vash The Stampede Says: DILLIGAF |
09 Sep 2004 09:32:48 PM |
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Are these two posts typed with *invisible* fonts?
On Wed, 08 Sep 2004 23:54:29 -0400, Hanoi Jane Fonda wrote:
On Wed, 08 Sep 2004 19:13:26 -0700, "Yang, AthD (h.c)"
<eacmole@/*AWOLBUSH*/mail.com> wrote:
On Thu, 09 Sep 2004 01:34:52 GMT, Vash The Stampede <trigun@2am.cn>
wrote:
On Tue, 07 Sep 2004 22:12:48 -0700, Yang, AthD (h.c) wrote:
On Wed, 08 Sep 2004 05:02:07 GMT, Vash The Stampede <trigun@2am.cn>
wrote:
On Tue, 07 Sep 2004 21:44:47 -0700, Yang, AthD (h.c) wrote:
On Tue, 07 Sep 2004 23:10:28 GMT, Vash The Stampede <trigun@2am.cn>
wrote:
On Mon, 06 Sep 2004 11:57:42 -0700, Yang, AthD (h.c) wrote:
I report, you decide.
Who friggin cares?
You, apparaently.
Just in hopes you'll stop posting CRAP!
Afraid of a little truth? What part of GI's dying in Iraq, WMD claims
turned out to be lie, Bush's AWOL-coke snorting past invalidates his
claim of a "honor and dignity" White House, Bush's sheer incompetence
on the national debt, the medicare, the economy don't you like?
OK, so I can't debate some of your points.
Look, at this point being a conservative and being a Republican are
two completely different things. Non-defense spending has gone up
faster under Bush than under Clinton.
But, the economy is not *that* bad, as bad as you would have us believe.
No, it's merely far worse than what AWOL woudl have you believe, it is
his own estiamtes, not mine that his policies would lead to an average
of 300.000 job gains a month.
Coke snorting? So he had a white nose once or twice. And Clinton 'didn't'
inhale, right? How often has your nose been white? Or Kerry's? They had
*good* weed in 'Nam...ask any vet! Me? I hate 'snow'. Not worth the money.
Chivas on the rocks is much, much better!
You're right, but since Bush ran on a "bringing honor and dignity back
to the White House" platform, it is only fair that he gets hoisted by
his own petard.
And Medicare is not in that bad a state, ATC.
No, it's only worse now. Everything Bush touches turns to *****.
-----
Yang
a.a. #28
AthD (h.c.) conferred by the regents of the LCL
a.a. pastor #-273.15, the most frigid church of Celcius nee Kelvin
EAC Econometric Forecast and Sorcery Division
Proudly plonked by Lani Girl and Crazyalec
The Bush 'balanced' budget: 1.2 trillion and worsening
The Bush 'economic' policy: -3 million jobs and counting
The Bush Iraq lie: -1003 GIs, one friend's co-worker's son and mounting
Having Bush ***** up my country: Worthless
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| User: "Jésus Pépé" |
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| Title: PROOF THAT LIBERALS HATE AMERICA ==> Vash The Stampede Says: DILLIGAF |
08 Sep 2004 10:58:47 PM |
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On Wed, 08 Sep 2004 19:13:26 -0700, "Yang, AthD (h.c)"
<eacmole@/*AWOLBUSH*/mail.com> wrote:
On Thu, 09 Sep 2004 01:34:52 GMT, Vash The Stampede <trigun@2am.cn>
wrote:
On Tue, 07 Sep 2004 22:12:48 -0700, Yang, AthD (h.c) wrote:
On Wed, 08 Sep 2004 05:02:07 GMT, Vash The Stampede <trigun@2am.cn>
wrote:
On Tue, 07 Sep 2004 21:44:47 -0700, Yang, AthD (h.c) wrote:
On Tue, 07 Sep 2004 23:10:28 GMT, Vash The Stampede <trigun@2am.cn>
wrote:
On Mon, 06 Sep 2004 11:57:42 -0700, Yang, AthD (h.c) wrote:
I report, you decide.
Who friggin cares?
You, apparaently.
Just in hopes you'll stop posting CRAP!
Afraid of a little truth? What part of GI's dying in Iraq, WMD claims
turned out to be lie, Bush's AWOL-coke snorting past invalidates his
claim of a "honor and dignity" White House, Bush's sheer incompetence
on the national debt, the medicare, the economy don't you like?
OK, so I can't debate some of your points.
Look, at this point being a conservative and being a Republican are
two completely different things. Non-defense spending has gone up
faster under Bush than under Clinton.
But, the economy is not *that* bad, as bad as you would have us believe.
No, it's merely far worse than what AWOL woudl have you believe, it is
his own estiamtes, not mine that his policies would lead to an average
of 300.000 job gains a month.
Coke snorting? So he had a white nose once or twice. And Clinton 'didn't'
inhale, right? How often has your nose been white? Or Kerry's? They had
*good* weed in 'Nam...ask any vet! Me? I hate 'snow'. Not worth the money.
Chivas on the rocks is much, much better!
You're right, but since Bush ran on a "bringing honor and dignity back
to the White House" platform, it is only fair that he gets hoisted by
his own petard.
And Medicare is not in that bad a state, ATC.
No, it's only worse now. Everything Bush touches turns to *****.
-----
Yang
a.a. #28
AthD (h.c.) conferred by the regents of the LCL
a.a. pastor #-273.15, the most frigid church of Celcius nee Kelvin
EAC Econometric Forecast and Sorcery Division
Proudly plonked by Lani Girl and Crazyalec
The Bush 'balanced' budget: 1.2 trillion and worsening
The Bush 'economic' policy: -3 million jobs and counting
The Bush Iraq lie: -1003 GIs, one friend's co-worker's son and mounting
Having Bush ***** up my country: Worthless
.
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| User: "Vash The Stampede" |
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| Title: Re: Vash The Stampede Says: DILLIGAF |
09 Sep 2004 09:32:00 PM |
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On Wed, 08 Sep 2004 19:13:26 -0700, Yang, AthD (h.c) wrote:
On Thu, 09 Sep 2004 01:34:52 GMT, Vash The Stampede <trigun@2am.cn>
wrote:
On Tue, 07 Sep 2004 22:12:48 -0700, Yang, AthD (h.c) wrote:
On Wed, 08 Sep 2004 05:02:07 GMT, Vash The Stampede <trigun@2am.cn>
wrote:
On Tue, 07 Sep 2004 21:44:47 -0700, Yang, AthD (h.c) wrote:
On Tue, 07 Sep 2004 23:10:28 GMT, Vash The Stampede <trigun@2am.cn>
wrote:
On Mon, 06 Sep 2004 11:57:42 -0700, Yang, AthD (h.c) wrote:
I report, you decide.
Who friggin cares?
You, apparaently.
Just in hopes you'll stop posting CRAP!
Afraid of a little truth? What part of GI's dying in Iraq, WMD claims
turned out to be lie, Bush's AWOL-coke snorting past invalidates his
claim of a "honor and dignity" White House, Bush's sheer incompetence
on the national debt, the medicare, the economy don't you like?
OK, so I can't debate some of your points.
Look, at this point being a conservative and being a Republican are
two completely different things. Non-defense spending has gone up
faster under Bush than under Clinton.
First part is accurate. I never said I was a Republican!
Second point, I don't know and can't debate. Could very well be, but since
Clinton was a spender, if Bush *is* worse, whew...
But, the economy is not *that* bad, as bad as you would have us believe.
No, it's merely far worse than what AWOL woudl have you believe, it is
his own estiamtes, not mine that his policies would lead to an average
of 300.000 job gains a month.
First point, true. I live in an Historically repressed area, when the
country does great, we do so-so. We aren't *quite* so-so right now.
Definitely *need* tose 300,000 a month right now, and, no, I don't see it.
Coke snorting? So he had a white nose once or twice. And Clinton
'didn't' inhale, right? How often has your nose been white? Or Kerry's?
They had *good* weed in 'Nam...ask any vet! Me? I hate 'snow'. Not worth
the money. Chivas on the rocks is much, much better!
You're right, but since Bush ran on a "bringing honor and dignity back
to the White House" platform, it is only fair that he gets hoisted by
his own petard.
You know, I was *never* imporessed by Bush, and still am not! So, I don't
pay a great deal of attention to him, and I *was* hoping the Democrats
would pick a candidate I could get behind (Sorry, Yang, I'm from mass,
Kerry ain't it!)
Did he ever *admit* to 'Christams in July' ;)
It would seem to me, and this applies to *all*, that if he *did* and he
admitted it, I could excuse that. As I said, at this point, non0users are
the exception...
And Medicare is not in that bad a state, ATC.
No, it's only worse now. Everything Bush touches turns to *****.
Have to disagree. My Mom's on it and she gets *great* care!
Thank you, Yang, *sincerely* ! An actual debate! I knew you're no dummy!
You had me worried there...I didn't think you had a heart.
Having no brain I can deal with, having no heart is the worst. You can't
reason with someone with out a heart.
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Yang
a.a. #28
AthD (h.c.) conferred by the regents of the LCL
a.a. pastor #-273.15, the most frigid church of Celcius nee Kelvin
EAC Econometric Forecast and Sorcery Division
Proudly plonked by Lani Girl and Crazyalec
The Bush 'balanced' budget: 1.2 trillion and worsening
The Bush 'economic' policy: -3 million jobs and counting
The Bush Iraq lie: -1003 GIs, one friend's co-worker's son and mounting
Having Bush ***** up my country: Worthless
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| User: "Yang, AthD h.c" |
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| Title: Re: Vash The Stampede Says: DILLIGAF |
10 Sep 2004 03:50:33 AM |
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On Fri, 10 Sep 2004 02:32:00 GMT, Vash The Stampede <trigun@2am.cn>
wrote:
Look, at this point being a conservative and being a Republican are
two completely different things. Non-defense spending has gone up
faster under Bush than under Clinton.
First part is accurate. I never said I was a Republican!
Second point, I don't know and can't debate. Could very well be, but since
Clinton was a spender, if Bush *is* worse, whew...
One cite for this comes from Robert Barro of Businessweek*, who is an
University of Chicago conservative- hardly a Clinton apologist.
* (Economic Viewpoint, Dec. 15, 2003),
No, it's merely far worse than what AWOL woudl have you believe, it is
his own estiamtes, not mine that his policies would lead to an average
of 300.000 job gains a month.
First point, true. I live in an Historically repressed area, when the
country does great, we do so-so. We aren't *quite* so-so right now.
Definitely *need* tose 300,000 a month right now, and, no, I don't see it.
The macro arithmatics are straightforward. Roughly 150K people enter
into the workforce every month for teh first time. So you need 150K
just to keep employment-to-population ratio constant. You need 300 to
make sure that employment-to-population ratio improves.
You're right, but since Bush ran on a "bringing honor and dignity back
to the White House" platform, it is only fair that he gets hoisted by
his own petard.
You know, I was *never* imporessed by Bush, and still am not! So, I don't
pay a great deal of attention to him, and I *was* hoping the Democrats
would pick a candidate I could get behind
If you think Kerry is not your cup of tea then pick someone you agree
with. Go with Bush, Go with Libertarian. It is up to John Kerry to
convince you that he deserves your vote.
Thank you, Yang, *sincerely* ! An actual debate! I knew you're no dummy!
You had me worried there...I didn't think you had a heart.
Fair enough, and I sincerely apologize for taking cheapshots at you. I
plead usenet mentality- shoot first, ask questions later. It was wrong
of me and I give you unlimited right to take shots at me, my mom, my
dog and my Lego set :-)
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Yang
a.a. #28
AthD (h.c.) conferred by the regents of the LCL
a.a. pastor #-273.15, the most frigid church of Celcius nee Kelvin
EAC Econometric Forecast and Sorcery Division
Proudly plonked by Lani Girl and Crazyalec
The Bush 'balanced' budget: 1.2 trillion and worsening
The Bush 'economic' policy: -3 million jobs and counting
The Bush Iraq lie: -1004 GIs, one friend's co-worker's son and mounting
Having Bush ***** up my country: Worthless
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| User: "Hanoi Jane Fonda" |
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| Title: PROOF THAT LIBERALS HATE AMERICA ==> Vash The Stampede Says: DILLIGAF |
10 Sep 2004 04:14:30 AM |
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On Fri, 10 Sep 2004 01:50:33 -0700, "Yang, AthD (h.c)"
<eacmole@/*AWOLBUSH*/mail.com> wrote:
On Fri, 10 Sep 2004 02:32:00 GMT, Vash The Stampede <trigun@2am.cn>
wrote:
Look, at this point being a conservative and being a Republican are
two completely different things. Non-defense spending has gone up
faster under Bush than under Clinton.
First part is accurate. I never said I was a Republican!
Second point, I don't know and can't debate. Could very well be, but since
Clinton was a spender, if Bush *is* worse, whew...
One cite for this comes from Robert Barro of Businessweek*, who is an
University of Chicago conservative- hardly a Clinton apologist.
* (Economic Viewpoint, Dec. 15, 2003),
No, it's merely far worse than what AWOL woudl have you believe, it is
his own estiamtes, not mine that his policies would lead to an average
of 300.000 job gains a month.
First point, true. I live in an Historically repressed area, when the
country does great, we do so-so. We aren't *quite* so-so right now.
Definitely *need* tose 300,000 a month right now, and, no, I don't see it.
The macro arithmatics are straightforward. Roughly 150K people enter
into the workforce every month for teh first time. So you need 150K
just to keep employment-to-population ratio constant. You need 300 to
make sure that employment-to-population ratio improves.
You're right, but since Bush ran on a "bringing honor and dignity back
to the White House" platform, it is only fair that he gets hoisted by
his own petard.
You know, I was *never* imporessed by Bush, and still am not! So, I don't
pay a great deal of attention to him, and I *was* hoping the Democrats
would pick a candidate I could get behind
If you think Kerry is not your cup of tea then pick someone you agree
with. Go with Bush, Go with Libertarian. It is up to John Kerry to
convince you that he deserves your vote.
Thank you, Yang, *sincerely* ! An actual debate! I knew you're no dummy!
You had me worried there...I didn't think you had a heart.
Fair enough, and I sincerely apologize for taking cheapshots at you. I
plead usenet mentality- shoot first, ask questions later. It was wrong
of me and I give you unlimited right to take shots at me, my mom, my
dog and my Lego set :-)
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Yang
a.a. #28
AthD (h.c.) conferred by the regents of the LCL
a.a. pastor #-273.15, the most frigid church of Celcius nee Kelvin
EAC Econometric Forecast and Sorcery Division
Proudly plonked by Lani Girl and Crazyalec
The Bush 'balanced' budget: 1.2 trillion and worsening
The Bush 'economic' policy: -3 million jobs and counting
The Bush Iraq lie: -1004 GIs, one friend's co-worker's son and mounting
Having Bush ***** up my country: Worthless
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| User: "Vash The Stampede" |
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10 Sep 2004 07:23:26 AM |
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On Fri, 10 Sep 2004 01:50:33 -0700, Yang, AthD (h.c) wrote:
On Fri, 10 Sep 2004 02:32:00 GMT, Vash The Stampede <trigun@2am.cn>
wrote:
Look, at this point being a conservative and being a Republican are
two completely different things. Non-defense spending has gone up
faster under Bush than under Clinton.
First part is accurate. I never said I was a Republican!
Second point, I don't know and can't debate. Could very well be, but since
Clinton was a spender, if Bush *is* worse, whew...
One cite for this comes from Robert Barro of Businessweek*, who is an
University of Chicago conservative- hardly a Clinton apologist.
* (Economic Viewpoint, Dec. 15, 2003),
No, it's merely far worse than what AWOL woudl have you believe, it is
his own estiamtes, not mine that his policies would lead to an average
of 300.000 job gains a month.
First point, true. I live in an Historically repressed area, when the
country does great, we do so-so. We aren't *quite* so-so right now.
Definitely *need* tose 300,000 a month right now, and, no, I don't see it.
The macro arithmatics are straightforward. Roughly 150K people enter
into the workforce every month for teh first time. So you need 150K
just to keep employment-to-population ratio constant. You need 300 to
make sure that employment-to-population ratio improves.
In an economy such as the United States has become, I don't know if 300K
is doable.
A great deal of goods manufacturing has gone off shore for two reasons:
Americans want price points, and Americans want good wages. The two are
mutually exclusive. If you want Real Money for the job you perform, then
you have to be prepared, basically, to pay yourself. We aren't willing to
do that.
In my lifetime, different groups have stepped up to this plate, in my
lifetime it was the Taiwanese, the Japanese, the Koreans and now the
Chinese and the Indians. But, there is a caveat: as each new player steps
forward, at first the goods are cheap, both in price and quality. Then, as
they get the hang of manufacturing, the quality increases, but since their
monetery system is still comparatively devalued, the prices stay low. My
first car, a brand new Toyota Corolla, was a steal when compared to a
Domestic or European model of similar quality. But look at what has
happened to Toyota. As the monentry system catches up, and more and more
people buy their goods, their currency isn't quite so cheap. Example, when
I bought that Toyota, the dollar was worth 422 Yen, in 1974. Now it hovers
about 100. So Japanese goods aren't quite the bargain they were.
The same is now happeneing with the Koreans and the Taiwanese. And in a
few years, China will catch up, too, although being a Communist counrty,
there may not be the wage pressure like in the examples of the Japanese or
the Koreans.
I doubt Americans will be wiling to pay the prices required to affors to
pay Americans the wages they are seeking. So, we lok to ways other than
manufacturing to make our money, which is services.
Remember the British in the 70's? We took their manufacturing base away
from them and they became a 'service' society. Well, once the service
sector gets saturated, you have to find a niche, or flounder.
America had that niche in the Computer sector, and with data and
inforamtion services. But the Indians turned out to be pretty adept at
learning these services, so now, one of *my* favourite jobs, Helpdesk, has
moved there. *Lots* of unemployed Info system workers now. I used to get
called from Boston, Hartford, and points even further away to take one or
two day contract jobs within 150 miles of home, and get paid at about $30
working as part of a team, or $50 for other skills. Last time I got a call
like that was almost a year ago, because there are so many info tech
workers out of work, they don't need to go long distance anymore. And my
home area is saturated, because info systems was going to be the Next Big
Thing and tech schools and colleges cranked them out in droves.
So, until we are ready to pay the price, I don't think we'll see full
employment again for a while, or wages will take a Big hit!
You're right, but since Bush ran on a "bringing honor and dignity back
to the White House" platform, it is only fair that he gets hoisted by
his own petard.
You know, I was *never* imporessed by Bush, and still am not! So, I don't
pay a great deal of attention to him, and I *was* hoping the Democrats
would pick a candidate I could get behind
If you think Kerry is not your cup of tea then pick someone you agree
with. Go with Bush, Go with Libertarian. It is up to John Kerry to
convince you that he deserves your vote.
I haven't found one yet. McCain was my choice in the last election, a
moderate Conservative. Perot before that. He probably would have been a
good "Home" president, but I think his Foreign policy would have sucked.
Dean was actually my choice this time around! I worked in Vermont for a
while, and I liked what I saw had happened up there. Also, except for that
first Gaff (EEEEEEyahhhhhhh!!!!) he seemed pretty unflappable.
He didn't get it, obviously (so you see, being a Liberal doesn't bother
me, just being a Flake does!)
No, not this time 'round, again...
Thank you, Yang, *sincerely* ! An actual debate! I knew you're no dummy!
You had me worried there...I didn't think you had a heart.
Fair enough, and I sincerely apologize for taking cheapshots at you. I
plead usenet mentality- shoot first, ask questions later. It was wrong
of me and I give you unlimited right to take shots at me, my mom, my
dog and my Lego set :-)
Yeah, man, it happens and we are all guilty of it! And I don't need shots
at your Mom (she raised a bright boy), your dog(I love dogs), or your Lego
set (I love them, but not enough of an Artist to use one...BTW, I live
near the Lego plant in Ct....ever seen what *they* can do with them?)
I'll save *my* 'cheap shots' for when I *totally* disagree with something
you say. But I won't ever be calling you Yin again...
But, as I said, you show intelligence *and* a heart. I can deal with that!
Ask peeance: I made a truce with him, too.
Thanks for showing me who you *really* are. I appreciate it. You seemed
too smart to be that mean spirited.
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Yang
a.a. #28
AthD (h.c.) conferred by the regents of the LCL
a.a. pastor #-273.15, the most frigid church of Celcius nee Kelvin
EAC Econometric Forecast and Sorcery Division
Proudly plonked by Lani Girl and Crazyalec
The Bush 'balanced' budget: 1.2 trillion and worsening
The Bush 'economic' policy: -3 million jobs and counting
The Bush Iraq lie: -1004 GIs, one friend's co-worker's son and mounting
Having Bush ***** up my country: Worthless
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| User: "Mike Painter" |
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| Title: Re: Vash The Stampede Says: DILLIGAF |
09 Sep 2004 11:01:35 PM |
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Vash The Stampede wrote:
<Snip>
No, it's only worse now. Everything Bush touches turns to *****.
Have to disagree. My Mom's on it and she gets *great* care!
You're either very lucky or your mom isn't very sick and I hope you know the
difference between great care and being cared for by great people.
I've worked with some really nice doctors and some arrogant assholes. If
anything the really good ones tend more toward the "a" side of the equation.
Make sure you have copies of all her medical records and that they are kept
up to date.
If she switches docs or gets put in a new hospital, after 5:00 pm or on a
week end and runs out of a needed (really needed) med she may not get it
till the next working day if you can't show her records.
Existing scripts don't count.
Spend an hour at almost any busy pharmacy and you will see people walking
away from prescriptions or just takeing a few because of the cost.
Insurance companies, of course, pay a *lot* less for the same prescription.
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| User: "Mike Painter" |
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| Title: Re: Vash The Stampede Says: DILLIGAF |
08 Sep 2004 11:53:29 PM |
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Vash The Stampede wrote:
OK, so I can't debate some of your points.
But, the economy is not *that* bad, as bad as you would have us
believe.
With the destruction of unions by ray-gun the middle class is disappearing.
How many single income families are you aware of that have to scrimp a bit
to put the kids through collage.
One of the big cultural changes I've become aware of in the near by collage
town is that it is extremely rare to find people with a single room-mate.
When I went to school here two people would frequently share a two bed-room
apartment but many lived in single apartments. Now two per bedroom seems the
norm and in many rentals the living room is also a bedroom. The kids now see
4 - 10 people in a house as normal.
My candy bar theory of economics points out that when minimum wage was $1.00
an hour you could buy 20 candy bars of one ounce or more. How many can you
buy today for minimum wage?
Coke snorting? So he had a white nose once or twice. And Clinton
'didn't' inhale, right? How often has your nose been white? Or
Kerry's? They had *good* weed in 'Nam...ask any vet! Me? I hate
'snow'. Not worth the money. Chivas on the rocks is much, much better!
And Medicare is not in that bad a state, ATC.
Clearly you are not on medicare or have tried to help anyone who is.
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| User: "Vash The Stampede" |
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| Title: Re: Vash The Stampede Says: DILLIGAF |
09 Sep 2004 09:21:29 PM |
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On Thu, 09 Sep 2004 04:53:29 +0000, Mike Painter wrote:
Vash The Stampede wrote:
OK, so I can't debate some of your points.
But, the economy is not *that* bad, as bad as you would have us
believe.
With the destruction of unions by ray-gun the middle class is disappearing.
How many single income families are you aware of that have to scrimp a bit
to put the kids through collage.
One of the big cultural changes I've become aware of in the near by collage
town is that it is extremely rare to find people with a single room-mate.
When I went to school here two people would frequently share a two bed-room
apartment but many lived in single apartments. Now two per bedroom seems the
norm and in many rentals the living room is also a bedroom. The kids now see
4 - 10 people in a house as normal.
My candy bar theory of economics points out that when minimum wage was $1.00
an hour you could buy 20 candy bars of one ounce or more. How many can you
buy today for minimum wage?
You know, he's right.
I live in or about Amherst, Mass (Being a Conservative I will *NEVER*
admit that again!)
I own my house, so I don't look too much at Real Estate, etc.
Imagine my surprise when I took a look and saw that a 1 br apartment in
Amherst/Leverette/Hadley/Northampton was going for a minimum of $600, with
gusts up to $1000, and 2 br's were *starting* at $1000 going to $1500!
Damn, I'm a fixin up the cellar!
Here in Mass, the blame can be laid on the Big Dig, the plan to put the
traffic to Loagn Airport under the city, that ran the tab up to $14B, or
approx $13B *over* budget! The contractor shoulb be shot at sunrise.
Oh, yeah...union labor.
I was in a union. Great wages. Narrow thinking... Let's get that $0.25,
and watch 1,000 lose their jobs. Great.
I was in the last group. The guy who would have struck for that $0.25 was
in the 2nd group, 3 ahead of me...
Coke snorting? So he had a white nose once or twice. And Clinton
'didn't' inhale, right? How often has your nose been white? Or
Kerry's? They had *good* weed in 'Nam...ask any vet! Me? I hate
'snow'. Not worth the money. Chivas on the rocks is much, much better!
And Medicare is not in that bad a state, ATC.
Clearly you are not on medicare or have tried to help anyone who is.
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| User: "wbarwell" |
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| Title: Re: Is Duke a Liar For Saying That He "Served"? |
06 Sep 2004 08:48:47 PM |
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Yang, AthD (h.c) wrote:
I report, you decide.
"No, we both served, but you hide."
-Earl Weber, 9/6/2004
"Now, did I want to go? Hell no. "
-Duke, explaining why it was patriotic for him to skip out on
Vietnam.
Duke, a proven liar it looks like.
--
Bush added $2 trillion in national debt in three years. The
biggest addition of national debt of any president. There are
280 million Americans. That is $3,333 per American, $13,332
For a family of four. Bush wants to make the tax cuts that are
generating these vast debts permanent.Vote Kerry, we cannot
afford more massive debt.
Cheerful Charlie
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| User: "Yang, AthD h.c" |
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| Title: Re: Is Duke a Liar For Saying That He "Served"? |
06 Sep 2004 10:11:54 PM |
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On Mon, 06 Sep 2004 21:48:47 -0400, wbarwell
<wbarwell@munnnged.mylinuxisp.com> wrote:
Yang, AthD (h.c) wrote:
I report, you decide.
"No, we both served, but you hide."
-Earl Weber, 9/6/2004
"Now, did I want to go? Hell no. "
-Duke, explaining why it was patriotic for him to skip out on
Vietnam.
Duke, a proven liar it looks like.
I just report the facts.
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Yang
a.a. #28
AthD (h.c.) conferred by the regents of the LCL
a.a. pastor #-273.15, the most frigid church of Celcius nee Kelvin
EAC Econometric Forecast and Sorcery Division
Proudly plonked by Lani Girl and Crazyalec
The Bush 'balanced' budget: 1.2 trillion and worsening
The Bush 'economic' policy: -3 million jobs and counting
The Bush Iraq lie: -992 GIs, one friend's co-worker's son and mounting
Having Bush ***** up my country: Worthless
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| User: "duke" |
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| Title: Re: Is Duke a Liar For Saying That He "Served"? |
07 Sep 2004 05:38:35 PM |
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On Mon, 06 Sep 2004 21:48:47 -0400, wbarwell <wbarwell@munnnged.mylinuxisp.com> wrote:
Duke, a proven liar it looks like.
This from a child that singularly believes he proved God doesn't exist. Your scenario is
almost as good as mikeys - he said he went scuba diving, therefore there could not have
been a biblical flood.
duke
*****
Matthew 22
14"For many are invited, but few are chosen."
*****
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| User: "Mike Painter" |
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| Title: Re: Is Duke a Liar For Saying That He "Served"? |
06 Sep 2004 10:11:53 PM |
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wbarwell wrote:
Yang, AthD (h.c) wrote:
I report, you decide.
"No, we both served, but you hide."
-Earl Weber, 9/6/2004
"Now, did I want to go? Hell no. "
-Duke, explaining why it was patriotic for him to skip out on
Vietnam.
Duke, a proven liar it looks like.
Earl is the only person who says that he does not lie, no others have ever
supported him.
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| User: "duke" |
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| Title: Re: Is Duke a Liar For Saying That He "Served"? |
07 Sep 2004 05:40:07 PM |
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On Tue, 07 Sep 2004 03:11:53 GMT, "Mike Painter" <mddotpainter@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
wbarwell wrote:
Yang, AthD (h.c) wrote:
I report, you decide.
"No, we both served, but you hide."
-Earl Weber, 9/6/2004
"Now, did I want to go? Hell no. "
-Duke, explaining why it was patriotic for him to skip out on
Vietnam.
Duke, a proven liar it looks like.
Earl is the only person who says that he does not lie, no others have ever
supported him.
Hey, mikey, tell me again about scuba diving again, and why it proves there is no God.
duke
*****
Matthew 22
14"For many are invited, but few are chosen."
*****
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| User: "Mike Painter" |
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| Title: Re: Is Duke a Liar For Saying That He "Served"? |
07 Sep 2004 11:17:34 PM |
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duke wrote:
On Tue, 07 Sep 2004 03:11:53 GMT, "Mike Painter"
<mddotpainter@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
wbarwell wrote:
Yang, AthD (h.c) wrote:
I report, you decide.
"No, we both served, but you hide."
-Earl Weber, 9/6/2004
"Now, did I want to go? Hell no. "
-Duke, explaining why it was patriotic for him to skip out
on Vietnam.
Duke, a proven liar it looks like.
Earl is the only person who says that he does not lie, no others
have ever supported him.
Hey, mikey, tell me again about scuba diving again, and why it proves
there is no God.
Bad memory Earl?
I said that a SCUBA diver with a minimum education would know one of the
reasons why there was no flood.
You never demonstrated that you comprehended the high school physics
involved much less offered an argument as to why this might not be true.
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| User: "duke" |
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| Title: Re: Is Duke a Liar For Saying That He "Served"? |
09 Sep 2004 05:12:33 AM |
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On Wed, 08 Sep 2004 04:17:34 GMT, "Mike Painter" <mddotpainter@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
Hey, mikey, tell me again about scuba diving again, and why it proves
there is no God.
Bad memory Earl?
I said that a SCUBA diver with a minimum education would know one of the
reasons why there was no flood.
You never demonstrated that you comprehended the high school physics
involved much less offered an argument as to why this might not be true.
Bad memory, mikey? **Might** not be true? You were sure before.
You're the one that said your experience as a scuba diver eliminated any chance of their
being a biblical flood.
All about partial pressures. Remember.
AND, I even showed you why you were wrong.
duke
*****
Matthew 22
14"For many are invited, but few are chosen."
*****
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| User: "Mike Painter" |
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| Title: Re: Is Duke a Liar For Saying That He "Served"? |
09 Sep 2004 04:31:13 PM |
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duke wrote:
On Wed, 08 Sep 2004 04:17:34 GMT, "Mike Painter"
<mddotpainter@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
Hey, mikey, tell me again about scuba diving again, and why it
proves there is no God.
Bad memory Earl?
I said that a SCUBA diver with a minimum education would know one of
the reasons why there was no flood.
You never demonstrated that you comprehended the high school physics
involved much less offered an argument as to why this might not be
true.
Bad memory, mikey? **Might** not be true? You were sure before.
I'm sure, somebody with a minimal knowlegde of physics or the bible might
offer another argument. One is being mde right now in another thread.
You're the one that said your experience as a scuba diver eliminated
any chance of their being a biblical flood.
No and I'll add $1,000.00 to the bet if you insist I said that.
"I said that a SCUBA diver with a minimum education would know one of the
reasons why there was no flood."
All about partial pressures. Remember.
AND, I even showed you why you were wrong.
You never even claimed to have understood the claim. Google keeps all the
posts Earl and your snipping does not remove them.
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| User: "duke" |
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| Title: Re: Is Duke a Liar For Saying That He "Served"? |
09 Sep 2004 05:55:04 PM |
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On Thu, 09 Sep 2004 21:31:13 GMT, "Mike Painter" <mddotpainter@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
Bad memory, mikey? **Might** not be true? You were sure before.
I'm sure, somebody with a minimal knowlegde of physics or the bible might
offer another argument. One is being mde right now in another thread.
Invite him/her over. Your scuba diving experience does not equate to proof that there was
no biblical flood.
You're the one that said your experience as a scuba diver eliminated
any chance of their being a biblical flood.
No and I'll add $1,000.00 to the bet if you insist I said that.
"I said that a SCUBA diver with a minimum education would know one of the
reasons why there was no flood."
Thank you.
All about partial pressures. Remember.
AND, I even showed you why you were wrong.
You never even claimed to have understood the claim. Google keeps all the
posts Earl and your snipping does not remove them.
So go find them.
duke
*****
Matthew 22
14"For many are invited, but few are chosen."
*****
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| User: "Mike Painter" |
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| Title: Re: Is Duke a Liar For Saying That He "Served"? |
09 Sep 2004 07:46:37 PM |
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duke wrote:
On Thu, 09 Sep 2004 21:31:13 GMT, "Mike Painter"
<mddotpainter@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
Bad memory, mikey? **Might** not be true? You were sure before.
I'm sure, somebody with a minimal knowlegde of physics or the bible
might offer another argument. One is being mde right now in another
thread.
Invite him/her over. Your scuba diving experience does not equate to
proof that there was no biblical flood.
Thursday and Earl is in his drunk mode. I'm now convinced it is drinking and
not any other problems that causes this behavior.
You're the one that said your experience as a scuba diver eliminated
any chance of their being a biblical flood.
No and I'll add $1,000.00 to the bet if you insist I said that.
"I said that a SCUBA diver with a minimum education would know one
of the reasons why there was no flood."
Thank you.
All about partial pressures. Remember.
AND, I even showed you why you were wrong.
You never even claimed to have understood the claim. Google keeps
all the posts Earl and your snipping does not remove them.
So go find them.
You can't find something that isn't there Earl. You never said you
understood or even knew what was involved.
Can you do it now?
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