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"Yang, AthD h.c" |
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Is Duke a Liar For Saying That He "Served"? |
I report, you decide.
"No, we both served, but you hide."
-Earl Weber, 9/6/2004
"Now, did I want to go? Hell no. "
-Duke, explaining why it was patriotic for him to skip out on
Vietnam.
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The Bush 'balanced' budget: 1.2 trillion and worsening
The Bush 'economic' policy: -3 million jobs and counting
The Bush Iraq lie: -996 GIs, one friend's co-worker's son and mounting
Having Bush ***** up my country: Worthless
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| Title: Re: Is Duke a Liar For Saying That He "Served"? |
06 Sep 2004 04:07:05 PM |
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"Yang, AthD (h.c)" <eacmole@/*AWOLBUSH*/mail.com> wrote in
news:omcpj018qd72sg7j72icu8d32jpvlhhfm0@4ax.com:
I report, you decide.
"No, we both served, but you hide."
-Earl Weber, 9/6/2004
"Now, did I want to go? Hell no. "
-Duke, explaining why it was patriotic for him to skip out on
Vietnam.
Another day, another lie. Why would you expect anything else?
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Enkidu aa 2165
Now playing: [000] [Front-Cut] Patty Griffin - Goodbye (live)
That wall, embodied in the First Amendment, is perhaps
America's most important contribution to political progress
on this planet.
Lowell Weicker
Republican Senator 1971-1989
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| User: "Hanoi Jane Fonda" |
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06 Sep 2004 08:37:58 PM |
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Doctor Cosby was RIGHT!!!!
ARABS Murdering + Raping Blacks in Sudan (or How Al Qaeda Sharpton
shows us his "White Pride")
Al "Step-n-Fetchit" Sharpton and other so-called "black leaders"
support arab terrorists and always talk about their "European" allies.
Last I looked, Sharpton isn't (and other so-called "black leaders"
aren't)
European; then again, maybe "White Pride" Sharpton is a "trick baby."
Indeed, Dr. Bill Cosby was "keeping it real" when he noted that
so-called "black leaders" only speak for the ignorant, low-class
criminal thugs who terrorize their own community and who, thankfully,
don't vote.
The PARTY OF LINCOLN has always supported Equal Rights + Low Taxes for
ALL Americans Who Work Hard.
Whereas Demon-KKK-Rats have always supported rights for arab
Terrorists and other Criminals.
Peace Out
Demon-KKK-Rats Turning White Like Their Sheets
Lynette Clemetson. "Democrats worry as young blacks drift from party."
The New York Times. 08/08/2003.
LITTLE ROCK, Arkansas -- The debate had become a familiar one for
LaShannon Spencer. As director of political affairs for the Democratic
Party of Arkansas, Spencer, 30, is charged with taking the pulse of
voters and keeping them connected to the party. But at Cajun's Wharf,
a restaurant and bar on the banks of the Arkansas River that is
popular with young professionals, Spencer's political pitch was met
with skepticism.
"Democrats just assume my political affiliation, based on my ZIP code
or voting precinct," said Khayyam Eddings, a 31, a labor lawyer,
referring to his predominantly black neighborhood. He was one of three
African-American men engaged with Spencer in an animated discussion.
"I don't cast my ballot based on learned behavior."
Eddings's comments were emblematic of what some Democratic strategists
fear may be a growing problem: The party is perilously out of touch
with a large swath of black voters - those aged 18 to 35, who grew up
after the groundbreaking years of the civil rights movement.
It is a group too important and complex to ignore, many caution, when
analysts are predicting another close election in which every vote
counts.
Democrats have traditionally counted on more than 90 percent of the
black vote. Post-civil-rights-era blacks make up roughly 40 percent of
the black voting-age population, but turnout among young blacks was so
low in the 2000 elections that they made up only 2 percent of the
entire vote.
Democratic leaders are expressing concern about the disengagement.
Young blacks are responding by warning the party not to take their
votes for granted.
"Not only do I not see myself as part of the base," Nnamdi Thompson,
30, an investment banker, told Spencer at the restaurant, "I wish the
Democratic Party would stop seeing me as part of its base. We have
more power as voters if they have to come and court us."
A 32-year-old lawyer, a friend of the other two who did not want to
give his name because of his involvement in state politics, also
offered his take.
"I question whether the party sees us at all," he said.
First they calculate who they do not want to alienate, he said,
adding: "Then they decide on acceptable losses. We seem to fall into
the acceptable losses."
Spencer, who is also African-American, said these frustrations are not
unusual.
"These are the concerns I hear over and over," she said. "These are
people who care, people the party needs. If we could only convince
them of that."
Over the years, blacks have proved a reliable source of support for
Democrats, whom they viewed as more responsive than Republicans to
their issues and concerns.
But members of generations X and Y, raised on hip-hop and the
Internet, in a niche-marketed culture, are proving to be a tougher
sell.
[P]olls show that younger blacks are more open to at least exploring
initiatives shunned by the Democratic Party, like school vouchers and
the partial privatization of Social Security.
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In 2000, 74 percent of African-Americans identified themselves as
Democrats. By last year, that number had dropped to 63 percent,
according to a recent survey by the Joint Center for Political and
Economic Studies, an organization devoted to African-American issues.
[A]n increasing number, especially those between the ages of 18 and
35, are identifying as independents. Some 24 percent of black adults
now characterize themselves that way. Among those 35 and under, said
David Bositis, a senior researcher at the Joint Center who conducted
the survey, the figures run between 30 and 35 percent, with men
leaning more heavily independent than women.
If it whines like a Demon-KKK-Rat, it must be a Nazi Aryan
Jim Oliphant. Legal Times. 2002/05/23.
The FBI says the National Alliance is a domestic terror group. William
Pierce says he's in the communications business.
It is much easier to find William Pierce than it is to see him.
His work, that's everywhere. The radio. The Internet. Leaflets on
Fairfax County mailboxes. Protests at the Israeli Embassy. Video
games. CDs. In that sense, he and his National Alliance -- the White
Power, neo-Nazi organization that Pierce personifies -- surround you,
even if you aren't aware of it.
But a face-to-face meeting is trickier.
You travel six hours out of the District of Columbia, and three hours
into the journey you leave behind any trace of a highway. Instead, you
adopt unsteady two-lane blacktops that snake through despairing West
Virginia hill towns, looking for an anonymous dirt road that you'll
probably never find.
The SUV is a good thing, because you will need it. For the roads, for
the rain, and especially for the rocky path that, if you do find it,
leads to Pierce's compound.
Compound. A word that should bring uneasiness, but a word that
everyone uses to describe Pierce's mountain hideaway. Compounds make
you think of David Koresh, or Manuel Noriega. And a compound it is. A
secluded lot. Multiple buildings on acres of land. Fences.
He sounded small on the telephone. He gave you directions like your
Uncle Al. But to hear him on his weekly radio and Internet broadcast
is to hear someone else entirely.
"As long as the Jews who control America's mass media are permitted to
continue teaching our women that frolicking with Blacks is
fashionable, and as long as they are permitted to continue teaching
our men that
being thought a 'racist' is a fate worse than death, we will not be
able to avoid the future the media bosses have planned for us," is an
example of Pierce's usual didactic. "The governmental structure is in
place that
will annihilate our race and our civilization, and the masters of the
mass media are at the controls of this structure."
The dirt road leads to a gate. You pass a house. There are other
buildings. Then, you see it, a barn-like structure adorned with a huge
circular symbol, something that looks like an anorexic version of the
United Way logo. You will find that it adorns Pierce's headquarters in
multiple forms. It's raining hard. You get out of the car. Your
portable phone can't grab a signal. You realize no one knows where you
are.
A man emerges, one of as many as 20 people who live on the property.
"You're here to see Dr. Pierce?"
You nod. You are led into the building. There is a small auditorium.
At the front stands a podium with the National Alliance symbol.
William Pierce, whom hate-monitors such as the Anti-Defamation League
have labeled one of the most dangerous racists in America, whose
organization the Federal Bureau of Investigation places at the
forefront of potential domestic terrorists, is waiting in a small room
at the rear.
He looks like an aging tenured college professor who has been stashed
in a windowless office writing tracts no one will read. And then you
notice one thing that throws you.
He has a cat.
The cat, of course, is white.
Despite his age, the 69-year-old Pierce is a high-tech spin doctor of
an age-old yarn. Over the Internet, through music CDs, with books, he
repeats his dusty motifs: Jews control American government. Jews
control the media.
The Anti-Defamation League calls the National Alliance "the largest
and most active neo-Nazi organization in the nation" and estimates it
has 16 active cells nationwide and a membership of more than 1,500.
The
Southern Poverty Law Center, which also monitors hate groups, says the
National Alliance's membership has increased 30-fold since 1990.
Although Pierce denies advocating the violent overthrow of the U.S.
government, he frequently makes use of the phrase "white revolution."
Because of that, the FBI considers the National Alliance to be a
domestic terrorist organization. In testimony before Congress in
February, the bureau's senior counterterrorism expert, Dale Watson,
told
a Senate panel that the Alliance represents "a continuing terrorist
threat."
Pierce and the Alliance were allegedly tied to a 1980s white
supremacist gang named The Order whose leader died in a shootout with
federal agents in 1984.
"The organization is openly revolutionary," says Mark Pitcavage,
director of fact finding for the Anti-Defamation League. "They say now
is not the right time for organized violent action, but maybe down the
road."
Pierce's Alliance, of which he is the unquestioned philosopher-king,
seems of late emboldened. On May 11 it organized the most recent in a
series of demonstrations in Washington, D.C., this time in front of
the
Israeli Embassy. The event drew an estimated 300 people, almost 10
times more than a similar protest last year.
"Only in the last year did [the Alliance] really come out with this
kind of public action," says Mark Potok, spokesman for the Southern
Poverty Law Center.
There is one clear reason for that. To Pierce, the attacks of Sept. 11
were validation of his anti-Black, anti-Israel platform.
"In many ways, what 9/11 did most was dramatize the revolutionary
nature of the radical right today," Potok says. "[They were] standing
back and applauding."
The cat has relocated to a warm spot on top of Pierce's computer. His
cramped office is jammed with books with titles like "A History of the
Jews" and "The Jewish Lists." It feels like a bunker.
Pierce is talking about Sept. 11.
"My initial reaction was, 'Wow! Spectacular!' " he says. "This really
was the most televised terrorism event, the most televised act of war
ever."
For Pierce, there are two ready answers for any equation: Israel and
Blacks. At the time, the most recent issue of Free Speech, the
newsletter he publishes, carried an article titled "Send Them All
Back." He is not subtle.
"The September 11 attack is a very minor consequence of bad
immigration policy if you consider that most of the people involved
were people who shouldn't have been here," Pierce says. "The loss of
life, the damage, is trivial to the damage that has been done to our
changing demographics."
Pierce had already written "The Turner Diaries," the novel about an
American race war that allegedly inspired Timothy McVeigh to blow up
the Oklahoma City federal building in 1995.
Pierce denies that the book served as McVeigh's muse for his terrorist
act, but Pierce says he understands why McVeigh did it. "He didn't
have any other way of expressing his anger," he says. "If you are some
little guy that doesn't have any other way, doesn't have any money, no
powerful friends, no medium to express yourself, you may well use
terrorism.
"One cannot beat the government at this stage. The government has too
many secret police, too many guns," he says. "It may be later on that
the balance of power will shift."
A few years ago, Robert Griffin, a professor of education at the
University of Vermont, became so intrigued by Pierce that he moved to
Pierce's West Virginia stronghold and lived there for a month.
"I found him the most fascinating human being I've ever been around in
my life," says Griffin, who describes himself as "right-of-center."
"He's a very honorable man of the highest character. People can't get
beyond 'The Turner Diaries.' He has to grab people by the lapels and
get their attention through elevated language and heated talk."
Griffin attended National Alliance leadership conferences at the
compound, where, he says, as many as 70 leaders of chapters nationwide
would attend. He followed Pierce on a speaking tour in Germany. He
wrote
a book about Pierce and then shopped it around. He called it "The Fame
of a Dead Man's Deeds." There were no takers.
After the 1995 Oklahoma City bombing, more Americans seemed to know
about "The Turner Diaries" than "Anna Karenina." Pierce wrote the book
in 1978 under a pseudonym, and followed it up with "Hunter," a book
that serves as a guide to assassination.
In recent years, however, Pierce has gone multimedia. Three years ago,
he bought a struggling white-power record label called Resistance
Records ("The Soundtrack to the White Revolution") for $250,000, a
transaction consummated at the University Club in the District.
The label and its Web site feature skinheaded-and-tattooed bands.
Earlier this year Pierce released his first video game, Ethnic
Cleansing, which, he says, gave his record label "a big boost." The
label describes the game like this: "Run through the ghetto blasting
away various blacks and spics in an attempt to gain entrance to the
subway system, where the Jews have hidden to avoid the carnage."
Griffin says Pierce is conscious that, at almost 70, he is running out
of time. He seems to be making a late-in-the-game push to stretch his
influence.
Using his anti-Israel rhetoric, Pierce has been cozying up to
extremist Islamic states. He was interviewed on Iranian radio last
year. And the Simon Wiesenthal Center in Los Angeles, which tracks
neo-Nazi groups, claims Pierce has ties with Ahmed Huber, a Swiss
banker and Islamic right-wing activist. Huber reportedly financially
backed a Holocaust denial conference featuring Pierce that was
scheduled to be held in Beirut last year before the Lebanese
government put a stop to it. "From a global point of view, there are
two names: his and David Duke's," says Rabbi Abraham Cooper, associate
dean of the center. "In terms of
transnational hate, he is the most sophisticated global thinker."
Locally, besides organizing demonstrations, the National Alliance has
been littering Northern Virginia communities such as Herndon, Reston,
and Great Falls with propaganda. "We started seeing them last year,
before September 11," says Lt. Mike Ditmer, bias crimes coordinator
for Fairfax County. "They would go to a neighborhood and do a mass
leafleting."
Brittanie Werbel, the assistant director of the Anti-Defamation
League's Washington office, says the National Alliance "is making a
strong effort there. As far as success, that's what we don't know.
They're very frank about trying to draw people in."
Pierce says most of the demonstrators at this month's rally came from
this area. "It used to be hard to organize in Washington, "he says.
"But the attitude is shifting now. If I keep working, if I do the best
job I
can, I can do good things. Other people will come along."
* * *
Like the Demon-KKK-Rats' "Dixie" Dean, KKKlanman Kucinich, and John
"Flipflopper" KKKerry.
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Liberals Hate America!
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| User: "duke" |
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| Title: Re: Is Duke a Liar For Saying That He "Served"? |
06 Sep 2004 04:09:01 PM |
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On Mon, 06 Sep 2004 11:57:42 -0700, "Yang, AthD (h.c)" <eacmole@/*AWOLBUSH*/mail.com>
wrote:
"No, we both served, but you hide."
-Earl Weber, 9/6/2004
"Now, did I want to go? Hell no. "
-Duke, explaining why it was patriotic for him to skip out on
Vietnam.
That's right - I served just exactly as my country told me to do. Now a coward like you
hides behind his surf board.
That means President Bush and I served our country, and you and your uncle obl are hiding
in holes.
duke
*****
Matthew 22
14"For many are invited, but few are chosen."
*****
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| User: "Mike Painter" |
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06 Sep 2004 05:11:18 PM |
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duke wrote:
On Mon, 06 Sep 2004 11:57:42 -0700, "Yang, AthD (h.c)"
<eacmole@/*AWOLBUSH*/mail.com> wrote:
"No, we both served, but you hide."
-Earl Weber, 9/6/2004
"Now, did I want to go? Hell no. "
-Duke, explaining why it was patriotic for him to skip out on
Vietnam.
That's right - I served just exactly as my country told me to do.
Now a coward like you hides behind his surf board.
That means President Bush and I served our country, and you and your
uncle obl are hiding in holes.
The US had a draft during that period. It could force you into involantary
service, thus could tell you what to do.
The only other time the US can "tell" you what to do is prison.
Other than that it is a free country.
So explain again how and why the government told somebody fresh out of a
second rate school to do something?
How, exactly, were you exempted from the draft?
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| User: "duke" |
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07 Sep 2004 05:36:22 PM |
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On Mon, 06 Sep 2004 22:11:18 GMT, "Mike Painter" <mddotpainter@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
That means President Bush and I served our country, and you and your
uncle obl are hiding in holes.
The US had a draft during that period. It could force you into involantary
service, thus could tell you what to do.
The only other time the US can "tell" you what to do is prison.
Other than that it is a free country.
I served as called.
So explain again how and why the government told somebody fresh out of a
second rate school to do something?
How, exactly, were you exempted from the draft?
duke
*****
Matthew 22
14"For many are invited, but few are chosen."
*****
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| User: "Douglas Berry" |
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| Title: Re: Is Duke a Liar For Saying That He "Served"? |
08 Sep 2004 01:30:25 AM |
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In our last thrilling episode, duke <duckgumbo32@cox.net> was pushed
over the cliffs of alt.atheism on Tue, 07 Sep 2004 17:36:22 -0500 by
Zoog, minion of Zathar. As he fell, he screamed:
On Mon, 06 Sep 2004 22:11:18 GMT, "Mike Painter" <mddotpainter@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
That means President Bush and I served our country, and you and your
uncle obl are hiding in holes.
The US had a draft during that period. It could force you into involantary
service, thus could tell you what to do.
The only other time the US can "tell" you what to do is prison.
Other than that it is a free country.
I served as called.
You lied. I checked. At no0 time did the Selective Service
Administration or any other governmental body ask anyone to enter or
remain in an industry.
What happened was you had to tell them you worked in a vital industry,
and apply for the deferement.
Duke, you got on your knees and cried your eyes out, whining that you
couldn't go be a man, since you managed to get into a job that saved
your punk little *****.
Now, you try to salvage some shred of dignity by bearing false
witness.
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Douglas E. Berry Do the OBVIOUS thing to send e-mail
Atheist #2147, Atheist Vet #5
"Men never do evil so completely and cheerfully as
when they do it from religious conviction."
Blaise Pascal (1623-1662), Pense'es, #894.
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| User: "duke" |
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09 Sep 2004 05:08:10 AM |
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On Wed, 08 Sep 2004 06:30:25 GMT, Douglas Berry <penguin_boy@mindOBVIOUSspring.com> wrote:
You lied. I checked. At no0 time did the Selective Service
Administration or any other governmental body ask anyone to enter or
remain in an industry.
Lied??? Nope, no lie.
I served my country.
duke
*****
Matthew 22
14"For many are invited, but few are chosen."
*****
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| User: "Douglas Berry" |
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| Title: Re: Is Duke a Liar For Saying That He "Served"? |
09 Sep 2004 01:19:54 PM |
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In our last thrilling episode, duke <duckgumbo32@cox.net> was pushed
over the cliffs of alt.atheism on Thu, 09 Sep 2004 05:08:10 -0500 by
Zoog, minion of Zathar. As he fell, he screamed:
On Wed, 08 Sep 2004 06:30:25 GMT, Douglas Berry <penguin_boy@mindOBVIOUSspring.com> wrote:
You lied. I checked. At no time did the Selective Service
Administration or any other governmental body ask anyone to enter or
remain in an industry.
Lied??? Nope, no lie.
I served my country.
Earl, you said that your country *asked* you to serve in a defense
industry.
That was a lie. Nobody was asked to do that. If you received a draft
notice, you told them you were working in a vital industry and got a
deferement. That's how it worked.
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Douglas E. Berry Do the OBVIOUS thing to send e-mail
Atheist #2147, Atheist Vet #5
"Men never do evil so completely and cheerfully as
when they do it from religious conviction."
Blaise Pascal (1623-1662), Pense'es, #894.
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| User: "duke" |
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09 Sep 2004 05:51:20 PM |
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On Thu, 09 Sep 2004 18:19:54 GMT, Douglas Berry <penguin_boy@mindOBVIOUSspring.com> wrote:
Lied??? Nope, no lie.
I served my country.
Earl, you said that your country *asked* you to serve in a defense
industry.
berry boy, you're so penny ante. When is a CAR15 an M16, or vice versa, or inside out,
or.............whatever?
duke
*****
Matthew 22
14"For many are invited, but few are chosen."
*****
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10 Sep 2004 01:28:16 AM |
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In our last thrilling episode, duke <duckgumbo32@cox.net> was pushed
over the cliffs of alt.atheism on Thu, 09 Sep 2004 17:51:20 -0500 by
Zoog, minion of Zathar. As he fell, he screamed:
On Thu, 09 Sep 2004 18:19:54 GMT, Douglas Berry <penguin_boy@mindOBVIOUSspring.com> wrote:
Lied??? Nope, no lie.
I served my country.
Earl, you said that your country *asked* you to serve in a defense
industry.
berry boy, you're so penny ante. When is a CAR15 an M16, or vice versa, or inside out,
or.............whatever?
Trying to change the subject, i see.
You stated you were asked by the government to work in an industry.
You lied.
--
Douglas E. Berry Do the OBVIOUS thing to send e-mail
Atheist #2147, Atheist Vet #5
"Men never do evil so completely and cheerfully as
when they do it from religious conviction."
Blaise Pascal (1623-1662), Pense'es, #894.
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| User: "JessHC" |
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| Title: Re: Is Duke a Liar For Saying That He "Served"? |
09 Sep 2004 04:52:24 PM |
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duke <duckgumbo32@cox.net> wrote in message news:<pla0k05l6p2me6jr2sd20blqqivvl509n7@4ax.com>...
On Wed, 08 Sep 2004 06:30:25 GMT, Douglas Berry <penguin_boy@mindOBVIOUSspring.com> wrote:
You lied. I checked. At no0 time did the Selective Service
Administration or any other governmental body ask anyone to enter or
remain in an industry.
Lied??? Nope, no lie.
You're a proven habitual liar. Why would anyone believe anything you say?
I served my country.
In a broad sense, so does anyone with a job.
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| User: "Martin W. Smith" |
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09 Sep 2004 05:15:23 AM |
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duke <duckgumbo32@cox.net> wrote:
On Wed, 08 Sep 2004 06:30:25 GMT, Douglas Berry <penguin_boy@mindOBVIOUSspring.com> wrote:
You lied. I checked. At no0 time did the Selective Service
Administration or any other governmental body ask anyone to enter or
remain in an industry.
Lied??? Nope, no lie.
I served my country.
In which branch of the military did you enlist?
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| User: "duke" |
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| Title: Re: Is Duke a Liar For Saying That He "Served"? |
09 Sep 2004 05:49:20 PM |
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On Thu, 09 Sep 2004 12:15:23 +0200, Martin W. Smith <no.email@this.time> wrote:
duke <duckgumbo32@cox.net> wrote:
On Wed, 08 Sep 2004 06:30:25 GMT, Douglas Berry <penguin_boy@mindOBVIOUSspring.com> wrote:
You lied. I checked. At no0 time did the Selective Service
Administration or any other governmental body ask anyone to enter or
remain in an industry.
Lied??? Nope, no lie.
I served my country.
In which branch of the military did you enlist?
You don't get it, do you. I was told to make weapons, not carry one.
duke
*****
Matthew 22
14"For many are invited, but few are chosen."
*****
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| User: "wbarwell" |
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09 Sep 2004 01:27:44 PM |
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duke wrote:
On Wed, 08 Sep 2004 06:30:25 GMT, Douglas Berry
<penguin_boy@mindOBVIOUSspring.com> wrote:
You lied. I checked. At no0 time did the Selective Service
Administration or any other governmental body ask anyone to enter or
remain in an industry.
Lied??? Nope, no lie.
I served my country.
Prevarication.
When we say "served my country" this means performed
military duty. To say I held down a job at some weapons
factory equates serving in teh military is *****.
Kerry served his country in the sense that he served
in teh military. You obviouslydid not and did not serve your country in
teh same meaning as when we say Kerry served his country in Vietnam.
And we know you know the diffrence.
The argument is, Bush served his country. No, he failed to perform his
duty as agreed to and skated only because he could pull strings.
You avoided military servuce and in the same sense, did not serve your
country as Kerry did and as Bush failed to.
In the immortal words of radio hatemonger Drugs Limbaugh,
"Words have meaning!". No matter what word games you ply, you are not
being honest and its obvious, you aren't foolng anybody.
Your words are prevarications meant to mislead.
You are not anywhere near the same category as Kerry with two
medals to his name for service in war time.
Kerry served his country, you did not serve, Bush failed
at his lame attempt to serve which was really just avoidance
of service in Vietnam as Kerry served.
--
Bush added $2 trillion in national debt in three years. The
biggest addition of national debt of any president. There are
280 million Americans. That is $3,333 per American, $13,332
For a family of four. Bush wants to make the tax cuts that are
generating these vast debts permanent.Vote Kerry, we cannot
afford more massive debt.
Cheerful Charlie
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| User: "duke" |
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| Title: Re: Is Duke a Liar For Saying That He "Served"? |
09 Sep 2004 05:52:40 PM |
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On Thu, 09 Sep 2004 14:27:44 -0400, wbarwell <wbarwell@munnnged.mylinuxisp.com> wrote:
When we say "served my country" this means performed
military duty. To say I held down a job at some weapons
factory equates serving in teh military is *****.
Like I really care if you understand or not.
duke
*****
Matthew 22
14"For many are invited, but few are chosen."
*****
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| User: "JessHC" |
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| Title: Re: Is Duke a Liar For Saying That He "Served"? |
10 Sep 2004 09:14:06 AM |
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duke <duckgumbo32@cox.net> wrote in message news:<hjn1k0h0qj4qjvs45ag5tak454si53kp2n@4ax.com>...
On Thu, 09 Sep 2004 14:27:44 -0400, wbarwell <wbarwell@munnnged.mylinuxisp.com> wrote:
When we say "served my country" this means performed
military duty. To say I held down a job at some weapons
factory equates serving in teh military is *****.
Like I really care if you understand or not.
The entire world already knew this, even though, in the face of
overwhelming evidence to the contrary, you've repeatedly insisted
you're only trying to help us. If you *really* cared, you'd make the
effort to communicate effectively, would provide evidence to support
your claims, wouldn't constantly lie about easily verifiable subjects,
and wouldn't insult every atheist you come in contact with merely
because he or she is an atheist. But thank you for that rare
admission of truth.
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| User: "Puck Greenman" |
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| Title: Re: Is Duke a Liar For Saying That He "Served"? |
10 Sep 2004 02:31:23 PM |
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duke <duckgumbo32@cox.net> wrote in message
news:<hjn1k0h0qj4qjvs45ag5tak454si53kp2n@4ax.com>...
On Thu, 09 Sep 2004 14:27:44 -0400, wbarwell <wbarwell@munnnged.mylinuxisp.com> wrote:
When we say "served my country" this means performed
military duty. To say I held down a job at some weapons
factory equates serving in teh military is *****.
Like I really care if you understand or not.
I suspect that I do understand, and I accept that your service was not
voluntary: Prison sentences never are...
--
Puck Greenman
#162
BAAWA Knight.
Blesed is the self righteous xtian,
for his is the sure and certain knowledge
that no matter what load of tripe he
comes out with:
God told him to say it.
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| User: "Mike Painter" |
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| Title: Re: Is Duke a Liar For Saying That He "Served"? |
09 Sep 2004 07:49:18 PM |
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duke wrote:
On Thu, 09 Sep 2004 14:27:44 -0400, wbarwell
<wbarwell@munnnged.mylinuxisp.com> wrote:
When we say "served my country" this means performed
military duty. To say I held down a job at some weapons
factory equates serving in teh military is *****.
Like I really care if you understand or not.
As I've said befoe, if I don't care I don't keep responding.
If I do care I do more than mouth the same thing over and over again without
providing details.
You claim the country *told* you what to do but can't provide either general
or specific examples where the government has a right to do this.
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| User: "duke" |
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| Title: Re: Is Duke a Liar For Saying That He "Served"? |
10 Sep 2004 05:38:58 PM |
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On Fri, 10 Sep 2004 00:49:18 GMT, "Mike Painter" <mddotpainter@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
When we say "served my country" this means performed
military duty. To say I held down a job at some weapons
factory equates serving in teh military is *****.
Like I really care if you understand or not.
As I've said befoe, if I don't care I don't keep responding.
If I do care I do more than mouth the same thing over and over again without
providing details.
Read my lips, mikey. The United States of America told me to make weapons rather than
carry one.
I don't care what you think.
You claim the country *told* you what to do but can't provide either general
or specific examples where the government has a right to do this.
That's life, bubba.
duke
*****
Matthew 22
14"For many are invited, but few are chosen."
*****
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| User: "Douglas Berry" |
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| Title: Re: Is Duke a Liar For Saying That He "Served"? |
11 Sep 2004 11:52:33 AM |
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In our last thrilling episode, duke <duckgumbo32@cox.net> was pushed
over the cliffs of alt.atheism on Fri, 10 Sep 2004 17:38:58 -0500 by
Zoog, minion of Zathar. As he fell, he screamed:
Read my lips, mikey. The United States of America told me to make weapons rather than
carry one.
Really? What office of the government told you to do this? Under
what section of the Selectiv e Service Act? When? I can do a FOIA
to find your name, you know.
I don't care what you think.
Because you've been caught in a lie, Earl. You got your yellow little
rear into a protected induistry while others went and fought, and now
to cover up your chickenhawk tendancies, you have to claim that you
were somehow drafted into making weapons.
--
Douglas E. Berry Do the OBVIOUS thing to send e-mail
Atheist #2147, Atheist Vet #5
"Men never do evil so completely and cheerfully as
when they do it from religious conviction."
Blaise Pascal (1623-1662), Pense'es, #894.
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| User: "duke" |
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| Title: Re: Is Duke a Liar For Saying That He "Served"? |
11 Sep 2004 02:09:12 PM |
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On Sat, 11 Sep 2004 16:52:33 GMT, Douglas Berry <penguin_boy@mindOBVIOUSspring.com> wrote:
Really? What office of the government told you to do this? Under
what section of the Selectiv e Service Act? When? I can do a FOIA
to find your name, you know.
I don't care what you think.
Because you've been caught in a lie, Earl. You got your yellow little
rear into a protected induistry while others went and fought, and now
to cover up your chickenhawk tendancies, you have to claim that you
were somehow drafted into making weapons.
Read my lips, berry, I was told to make weapons rather than carry one.
duke
*****
Matthew 22
14"For many are invited, but few are chosen."
*****
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| User: "Douglas Berry" |
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| Title: Re: Is Duke a Liar For Saying That He "Served"? |
12 Sep 2004 01:10:31 AM |
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In our last thrilling episode, duke <duckgumbo32@cox.net> was pushed
over the cliffs of alt.atheism on Sat, 11 Sep 2004 14:09:12 -0500 by
Zoog, minion of Zathar. As he fell, he screamed:
On Sat, 11 Sep 2004 16:52:33 GMT, Douglas Berry <penguin_boy@mindOBVIOUSspring.com> wrote:
Really? What office of the government told you to do this? Under
what section of the Selectiv e Service Act? When? I can do a FOIA
to find your name, you know.
I don't care what you think.
Because you've been caught in a lie, Earl. You got your yellow little
rear into a protected induistry while others went and fought, and now
to cover up your chickenhawk tendancies, you have to claim that you
were somehow drafted into making weapons.
Read my lips, berry, I was told to make weapons rather than carry one.
By whom?
When?
Have proof? Under what section of the Selective Service Act were you
directed by the government of the United States to work in the weapons
industry?
I'm calling you a liar, little one. Show some proof. Since my uncle
worked for Lockheed on things like nuclear missile systems, and he got
drafted. He had to go to the board with proof of his employment in a
protected industry.
--
Douglas E. Berry Do the OBVIOUS thing to send e-mail
Atheist #2147, Atheist Vet #5
"Men never do evil so completely and cheerfully as
when they do it from religious conviction."
Blaise Pascal (1623-1662), Pense'es, #894.
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| User: "Shouie Ouinie" |
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| Title: Re: Is Duke a Liar For Saying That He "Served"? |
12 Sep 2004 07:22:35 PM |
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On Sun, 12 Sep 2004 06:10:31 +0000, Douglas Berry wrote:
In our last thrilling episode, duke <duckgumbo32@cox.net> was pushed
over the cliffs of alt.atheism on Sat, 11 Sep 2004 14:09:12 -0500 by
Zoog, minion of Zathar. As he fell, he screamed:
On Sat, 11 Sep 2004 16:52:33 GMT, Douglas Berry <penguin_boy@mindOBVIOUSspring.com> wrote:
Really? What office of the government told you to do this? Under
what section of the Selectiv e Service Act? When? I can do a FOIA
to find your name, you know.
I don't care what you think.
Because you've been caught in a lie, Earl. You got your yellow little
rear into a protected induistry while others went and fought, and now
to cover up your chickenhawk tendancies, you have to claim that you
were somehow drafted into making weapons.
Read my lips, berry, I was told to make weapons rather than carry one.
By whom?
When?
Have proof? Under what section of the Selective Service Act were you
directed by the government of the United States to work in the weapons
industry?
I'm calling you a liar, little one. Show some proof. Since my uncle
worked for Lockheed on things like nuclear missile systems, and he got
drafted. He had to go to the board with proof of his employment in a
protected industry.
If he was making weapons, then he was eligible for an exemption under the
Selective Service act. And since he *was* granted an exemption, it was
something they wanted badly.
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| User: "Mike Painter" |
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| Title: Re: Is Duke a Liar For Saying That He "Served"? |
12 Sep 2004 11:34:59 PM |
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Shouie Ouinie wrote:
When?
Have proof? Under what section of the Selective Service Act were you
directed by the government of the United States to work in the
weapons industry?
I'm calling you a liar, little one. Show some proof. Since my uncle
worked for Lockheed on things like nuclear missile systems, and he
got drafted. He had to go to the board with proof of his employment
in a protected industry.
If he was making weapons, then he was eligible for an exemption under
the Selective Service act. And since he *was* granted an exemption,
it was something they wanted badly.
The main point is his statement that the government "told" him to make
weapons. He may have gotten an exemption but there is no evidence of that.
He has told too many lies here to be taken on face value for any reason.
He has made claims that may or may not be true but has refused to supply any
information to validate those claims and has done a lot, admittedly
circumstantial, to imply that he did not do what he says.
He has the opportunity to show that he believes what he says in at least one
situation and gain $5,000.00 if he is right. All he has to do is contact
*his* priest, let him hold the money and determine the truth. But he will
not do that.
His claim to computer knowledge (and that of his "friend") was exposed when
he became an open relay and apparently bought a new hard drive rather than
take the steps that would have prevented the situation or doing the few
simple things needed to fix his problem.
In many areas he is in the position of the man who said he was an expert in
American poetry and when asked about the works of Joyce Kilmer responded
that she had written a lot of good poems.
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| User: "duke" |
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| Title: Re: Is Duke a Liar For Saying That He "Served"? |
12 Sep 2004 01:18:05 PM |
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On Sun, 12 Sep 2004 06:10:31 GMT, Douglas Berry <penguin_boy@mindOBVIOUSspring.com> wrote:
Read my lips, berry, I was told to make weapons rather than carry one.
By whom?
When?
That's your problem, not mine.
Have proof? Under what section of the Selective Service Act were you
directed by the government of the United States to work in the weapons
industry?
I suggest the Freedom of Information Act.
I'm calling you a liar, little one.
Hahahahahahahaha.
Show some proof. Since my uncle
worked for Lockheed on things like nuclear missile systems, and he got
drafted. He had to go to the board with proof of his employment in a
protected industry.
Wow.
duke
*****
Matthew 22
14"For many are invited, but few are chosen."
*****
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| User: "Enkidu" |
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| Title: Re: Is Duke a Liar For Saying That He "Served"? |
12 Sep 2004 02:59:34 PM |
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duke <duckgumbo32@cox.net> wrote in
news:ii49k0t9ug7j3fbrs3ss8ldd7tvk97eusv@4ax.com:
On Sun, 12 Sep 2004 06:10:31 GMT, Douglas Berry
<penguin_boy@mindOBVIOUSspring.com> wrote:
Read my lips, berry, I was told to make weapons rather than carry
one.
By whom?
When?
That's your problem, not mine.
Have proof? Under what section of the Selective Service Act were you
directed by the government of the United States to work in the weapons
industry?
I suggest the Freedom of Information Act.
Same lie, same liar, not even a different day. You are dull in every
sense of the word.
--
Enkidu aa 2165
Now playing: Persuasions - Electric Aunt Jemima (with Fre
That wall, embodied in the First Amendment, is perhaps
America's most important contribution to political progress
on this planet.
Lowell Weicker
Republican Senator 1971-1989
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| User: "duke" |
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| Title: Re: Is Duke a Liar For Saying That He "Served"? |
13 Sep 2004 05:44:36 AM |
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On Sun, 12 Sep 2004 19:59:34 GMT, Enkidu <enkidu@leaddogs.org> wrote:
I suggest the Freedom of Information Act.
Same lie, same liar, not even a different day. You are dull in every
sense of the word.
And my dull truths have a lockdown on you.
duke
*****
Matthew 22
14"For many are invited, but few are chosen."
*****
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| User: "JessHC" |
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| Title: Re: Is Duke a Liar For Saying That He "Served"? |
13 Sep 2004 09:43:40 AM |
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duke <duckgumbo32@cox.net> wrote in message news:<4guak0tbec17huk65qn3j3r6dapcjlbb43@4ax.com>...
On Sun, 12 Sep 2004 19:59:34 GMT, Enkidu <enkidu@leaddogs.org> wrote:
I suggest the Freedom of Information Act.
Same lie, same liar, not even a different day. You are dull in every
sense of the word.
And my dull truths have a lockdown on you.
Fantasies don't become true with additional alcohol.
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| User: "Mike Painter" |
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| Title: Re: Is Duke a Liar For Saying That He "Served"? |
13 Sep 2004 02:07:44 PM |
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JessHC wrote:
duke <duckgumbo32@cox.net> wrote in message
news:<4guak0tbec17huk65qn3j3r6dapcjlbb43@4ax.com>...
On Sun, 12 Sep 2004 19:59:34 GMT, Enkidu <enkidu@leaddogs.org> wrote:
I suggest the Freedom of Information Act.
Same lie, same liar, not even a different day. You are dull in
every sense of the word.
And my dull truths have a lockdown on you.
Fantasies don't become true with additional alcohol.
I lean towards that now.
For a while I though it might be mental but his errors and childish
repetation of phrases happens too regularly.
It could be that he actually has to work at a regular job and is extremely
tired towards the end of the week. However if this was the case he could
just post at the beginning of the week.
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| User: "Mike Painter" |
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| Title: Re: Is Duke a Liar For Saying That He "Served"? |
10 Sep 2004 06:50:48 PM |
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duke wrote:
On Fri, 10 Sep 2004 00:49:18 GMT, "Mike Painter"
<mddotpainter@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
When we say "served my country" this means performed
military duty. To say I held down a job at some weapons
factory equates serving in teh military is *****.
Like I really care if you understand or not.
As I've said befoe, if I don't care I don't keep responding.
If I do care I do more than mouth the same thing over and over again
without providing details.
Read my lips, mikey. The United States of America told me to make
weapons rather than carry one.
I don't care what you think.
Then why respond over and over? Why continue with the same statements that
clearly no one accepts as true.
The government tellds you you are goiong to jail, the government at the time
told you you were drafted, the government does not tell anybody to make
weapons.
The government did not pick a second rate student and tell him to make
weapons.
You claim the country *told* you what to do but can't provide either
general or specific examples where the government has a right to do
this.
That's life, bubba.
duke
*****
Matthew 22
14"For many are invited, but few are chosen."
*****
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