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"John Clancy McDonald kookwoman1\@kooksof theworld.net" |
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20 Jan 2008 07:04:36 PM |
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Is Evolution a Fact? |
“EVOLUTION is as much a fact as the heat of the sun,” asserts Professor
Richard Dawkins, a prominent evolutionary scientist. Of course,
experiments and direct observations prove that the sun is hot. But do
experiments and direct observations provide the teaching of evolution
with the same undisputed support?
Before we answer that question, something needs to be cleared up. Many
scientists have noted that over time, the descendants of living things
may change slightly. Charles Darwin called this process “descent with
subsequent modification.” Such changes have been observed directly,
recorded in experiments, and used ingeniously by plant and animal
breeders. These changes can be considered facts. However, scientists
attach to such slight changes the term “microevolution.” Even the name
implies what many scientists assert—that these minute changes furnish
the proof for an altogether different phenomenon, one that no one has
observed, which they call macroevolution.
You see, Darwin went far beyond such observable changes. He wrote in his
famous book The Origin of Species: “I view all beings not as special
creations, but as the lineal descendants of some few beings.” Darwin
said that over vast periods of time, these original “few beings,” or
so-called simple life-forms, slowly evolved—by means of “extremely
slight modifications”—into the millions of different forms of life on
earth. Evolutionists teach that these small changes accumulated and
produced the big changes needed to make fish into amphibians and apes
into men. These proposed big changes are referred to as macroevolution.
To many, this second claim sounds reasonable. They wonder, ‘If small
changes can occur within a species, why should not evolution produce big
changes over long periods of time?’
The teaching of macroevolution rests on three main assumptions:
1. Mutations provide the raw materials needed to create new species.
2. Natural selection leads to the production of new species.
3. The fossil record documents macroevolutionary changes in plants and
animals.
Is the evidence for macroevolution so strong that it should be
considered a fact?
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| User: "Mike Painter" |
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| Title: Re: Is Evolution a Fact? |
24 Jan 2008 12:36:21 PM |
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<snip>
what if i am not interested in doing science?
To each his own, but you can't teach it as science then.
you got a group of people who suspect they are risking eternal
torment if they accept your criteria of -scientific evidence-
do a risk analysis under those assumptions
so what have you got except your unproven declaration of what the
truth must be?
They should study Pascal's wager and then do the risk analysis. They would
be better off accepting science and deciding thier god gave them a brain for
something other than use as a paperweight.
Or they could just have faith.
If they actually understood what science does *and* had faith there would be
no problem.
Most of mainstream religion did that a long time ago.
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| User: "mariposas rand mair fheal" |
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24 Jan 2008 01:18:24 PM |
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what if i am not interested in doing science?
To each his own, but you can't teach it as science then.
why teach science? what purpose does that serve
except to give employment to people with letters after their name
you got a group of people who suspect they are risking eternal torment
if they accept your criteria of -scientific evidence-
do a risk analysis under those assumptions
so what have you got except your unproven declaration of what the truth
must be?
Hmm, if you don't accept the existence of truth, then there's not much
that anyone can do to help.
so it written
so it mote be
it must be nice to be a god like you
no discussion no logic no proof
you just declare what is
and the rest of us live in the world you create
its good to be the god
then again gods arent what they used to be
used be even god couldnt make a triangle
whose interior angles differed from two right angles
but saccheri could
arf meow arf - everything thing i know i learned
from the collective unconscience of odd bodkins
sacramento - political pigsty of the western world
or a babys arm holding an apple
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| User: "gregvk" |
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24 Jan 2008 01:26:25 PM |
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mariposas rand mair fheal <mair_fheal@yahoo.com> wrote in
news:mair_fheal-E06F01.11182424012008@sn-ip.vsrv-sjc.supernews.net:
what if i am not interested in doing science?
To each his own, but you can't teach it as science then.
why teach science? what purpose does that serve
except to give employment to people with letters after their name
Couldn't make it through college, huh?
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| User: "mariposas rand mair fheal" |
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24 Jan 2008 01:42:36 PM |
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In article <Xns9A2F7E7DFABDEA7E90087C86051@127.0.0.1>,
gregvk <greg@nospam.okthx> wrote:
mariposas rand mair fheal <mair_fheal@yahoo.com> wrote in
news:mair_fheal-E06F01.11182424012008@sn-ip.vsrv-sjc.supernews.net:
what if i am not interested in doing science?
To each his own, but you can't teach it as science then.
why teach science? what purpose does that serve
except to give employment to people with letters after their name
Couldn't make it through college, huh?
what else do you want to guess?
arf meow arf - everything thing i know i learned
from the collective unconscience of odd bodkins
sacramento - political pigsty of the western world
or a babys arm holding an apple
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| User: "gregvk" |
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24 Jan 2008 01:59:03 PM |
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mariposas rand mair fheal <mair_fheal@yahoo.com> wrote in news:mair_fheal-
7395D7.11423624012008@sn-ip.vsrv-sjc.supernews.net:
In article <Xns9A2F7E7DFABDEA7E90087C86051@127.0.0.1>,
gregvk <greg@nospam.okthx> wrote:
mariposas rand mair fheal <mair_fheal@yahoo.com> wrote in
news:mair_fheal-E06F01.11182424012008@sn-ip.vsrv-sjc.supernews.net:
what if i am not interested in doing science?
To each his own, but you can't teach it as science then.
why teach science? what purpose does that serve
except to give employment to people with letters after their name
Couldn't make it through college, huh?
what else do you want to guess?
Don't feel bad; there's always community college. That's not like a
university, but at least it provides a way for people like you to get an
education beyond secondary school.
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| User: "ebataitis" |
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24 Jan 2008 01:51:51 PM |
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mariposas rand mair fheal wrote:
what if i am not interested in doing science?
To each his own, but you can't teach it as science then.
why teach science? what purpose does that serve
except to give employment to people with letters after their name
So do you go to a witch doctor when sick? Fly on airplanes designed by
Icarus?
(snip)
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| User: "mariposas rand mair fheal" |
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24 Jan 2008 04:00:01 PM |
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In article <r%5mj.2793$7d1.2753@news01.roc.ny>,
ebataitis <nylicens@frontiernet.net> wrote:
mariposas rand mair fheal wrote:
what if i am not interested in doing science?
To each his own, but you can't teach it as science then.
why teach science? what purpose does that serve
except to give employment to people with letters after their name
So do you go to a witch doctor when sick? Fly on airplanes designed by
Icarus?
you do realize that witch doctors learned how to set broken bones without xrays
and that some of their cures are now sold as expensive prescription drugs
icarus didnt design the wings
daedalus did
and daedalus got safely to land again
i guess you just cant help being an elitist prig
arf meow arf - everything thing i know i learned
from the collective unconscience of odd bodkins
sacramento - political pigsty of the western world
or a babys arm holding an apple
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| User: "gregvk" |
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24 Jan 2008 04:17:57 PM |
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mariposas rand mair fheal <mair_fheal@yahoo.com> wrote in
news:mair_fheal-DDB604.14000124012008@sn-ip.vsrv-sjc.supernews.net:
In article <r%5mj.2793$7d1.2753@news01.roc.ny>,
ebataitis <nylicens@frontiernet.net> wrote:
mariposas rand mair fheal wrote:
what if i am not interested in doing science?
To each his own, but you can't teach it as science then.
why teach science? what purpose does that serve
except to give employment to people with letters after their name
So do you go to a witch doctor when sick? Fly on airplanes designed
by Icarus?
you do realize that witch doctors learned how to set broken bones
without xrays
You mean by grabbing each broken bone-end and sort of jiggling and
jerking them around until they sort of fit together, while assistants
held down the screaming patient? How innovative.
and that some of their cures are now sold as expensive
prescription drugs
Which prescription drugs are those? And don't just casually mention some
herb or substance upon which a prescription drug is based, I mean which
prescription drugs went straight from a witch doctor's hand to the
pharmacist's supply shelf.
icarus didnt design the wings
daedalus did
The wings weren't the issue, hon. Icarus was a dumbass and flew too high
(after Daedalus warned him not to).
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| User: "Robibnikoff" |
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25 Jan 2008 05:29:00 AM |
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"TRUECRISTIAN" <XL5@operamail.com> wrote
HO! <WHACK!>
--
Robyn
Resident Witchypoo
BAAWA Knight!
#1557
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| User: "Elmer" |
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24 Jan 2008 04:30:53 PM |
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mariposas rand mair fheal wrote:
In article <r%5mj.2793$7d1.2753@news01.roc.ny>,
ebataitis <nylicens@frontiernet.net> wrote:
mariposas rand mair fheal wrote:
what if i am not interested in doing science?
To each his own, but you can't teach it as science then.
why teach science? what purpose does that serve
except to give employment to people with letters after their name
So do you go to a witch doctor when sick? Fly on airplanes designed by
Icarus?
you do realize that witch doctors learned how to set broken bones without xrays
and that some of their cures are now sold as expensive prescription drugs
icarus didnt design the wings
daedalus did
and daedalus got safely to land again
i guess you just cant help being an elitist prig
Oh well, I guess we elitist prigs have to live too. At least we try and stick to
reality, and at least try to understand it.
arf meow arf - everything thing i know i learned
from the collective unconscience of odd bodkins
sacramento - political pigsty of the western world
or a babys arm holding an apple
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| User: "mariposas rand mair fheal" |
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24 Jan 2008 04:47:55 PM |
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Oh well, I guess we elitist prigs have to live too. At least we try and stick
to
reality, and at least try to understand it.
any tool you use to understand it
incorporates assumptions you make about the nature of reality
that is inescapable
but do you realize you are making assumptions?
it would seem not
arf meow arf - everything thing i know i learned
from the collective unconscience of odd bodkins
sacramento - political pigsty of the western world
or a babys arm holding an apple
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| User: "Elmer" |
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24 Jan 2008 06:56:23 PM |
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mariposas rand mair fheal wrote:
Oh well, I guess we elitist prigs have to live too. At least we try and stick
to
reality, and at least try to understand it.
any tool you use to understand it
incorporates assumptions you make about the nature of reality
that is inescapable
So what?
but do you realize you are making assumptions?
it would seem not
It seems you think there are too many. But your thought processes are obscure at
best.
arf meow arf - everything thing i know i learned
from the collective unconscience of odd bodkins
sacramento - political pigsty of the western world
or a babys arm holding an apple
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| User: "mariposas rand mair fheal" |
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24 Jan 2008 08:23:52 PM |
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In article <Xsamj.2823$7d1.1314@news01.roc.ny>,
Elmer <nylicens@frontiernet.net> wrote:
mariposas rand mair fheal wrote:
Oh well, I guess we elitist prigs have to live too. At least we try and
stick
to
reality, and at least try to understand it.
any tool you use to understand it
incorporates assumptions you make about the nature of reality
that is inescapable
So what?
but do you realize you are making assumptions?
it would seem not
It seems you think there are too many. But your thought processes are obscure
at
best.
i am another cassandra
arf meow arf - everything thing i know i learned
from the collective unconscience of odd bodkins
sacramento - political pigsty of the western world
or a babys arm holding an apple
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| User: "Elmer" |
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24 Jan 2008 08:44:44 PM |
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mariposas rand mair fheal wrote:
In article <Xsamj.2823$7d1.1314@news01.roc.ny>,
Elmer <nylicens@frontiernet.net> wrote:
mariposas rand mair fheal wrote:
Oh well, I guess we elitist prigs have to live too. At least we try and
stick
to
reality, and at least try to understand it.
any tool you use to understand it
incorporates assumptions you make about the nature of reality
that is inescapable
So what?
but do you realize you are making assumptions?
it would seem not
It seems you think there are too many. But your thought processes are obscure
at
best.
i am another cassandra
I think I might use another term ;-)
arf meow arf - everything thing i know i learned
from the collective unconscience of odd bodkins
sacramento - political pigsty of the western world
or a babys arm holding an apple
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| User: "MarkA" |
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24 Jan 2008 01:03:10 PM |
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On Thu, 24 Jan 2008 15:20:32 +0000, ebataitis wrote:
Elijahovah wrote:
Evolution denial in a nutshell:
I would like the Universe to be different than it is. Rather than adjust
my expectations of reality, I will insist that reality isn't real, and my
fantasies are. When I gather enough similarly deluded people, we will
pressure our local school boards to teach school children that my
fantasies are fact.
Adam's creation in 4025 BC
denial of it in a nutshell:........... goes like this.
I would like the Universe to be different than it is. Rather than
adjust
my expectations of reality, I will insist that reality isn't real, and
my
fantasies are. When I gather enough similarly deluded people, we will
pressure our local school boards to teach school children that my
fantasies are fact. I would like to know where tey get the right to
force
the evolution and not allow the other theories.
(Piggy-backing reply to Elijahovah)
Schools teach science. If you want to teach your kids myths, that's what
Sunday school is for. Scientists aren't trying to strong-arm their way
into your Sunday schools to teach the "other theories." Kindly return the
favor, and stop trying to get your religion taught in public schools.
--
MarkA
(My OTHER sig line is clever)
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| User: "mariposas rand mair fheal" |
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24 Jan 2008 01:19:33 PM |
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Schools teach science. If you want to teach your kids myths, that's what
Sunday school is for. Scientists aren't trying to strong-arm their way
into your Sunday schools to teach the "other theories." Kindly return the
favor, and stop trying to get your religion taught in public schools.
so the people who pay for schools should not be allowed to decide what is taught?
arf meow arf - everything thing i know i learned
from the collective unconscience of odd bodkins
sacramento - political pigsty of the western world
or a babys arm holding an apple
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| User: "MarkA" |
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24 Jan 2008 10:48:31 PM |
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On Thu, 24 Jan 2008 11:19:33 -0800, mariposas rand mair fheal wrote:
Schools teach science. If you want to teach your kids myths, that's what
Sunday school is for. Scientists aren't trying to strong-arm their way
into your Sunday schools to teach the "other theories." Kindly return the
favor, and stop trying to get your religion taught in public schools.
so the people who pay for schools should not be allowed to decide what is taught?
To some extent, they do. However, the Constitution places restrictions on
the governments attempts to promote or discourage religions. The
"people", thru their elected representatives, have examined the arguments
and have found, time and again, that Creationism/ID (aka CIntelligent
Designism) is religion, and hence, it is Unconstitutional to teach it in
public schools.
All that could change if the people elected representatives willing to
change the Constitution, or judges willing to accept that Creationism is
not religion. I have no doubt that the anti-intellectuals at the
Discovery Institute, and their brethren, will continue to push for just
that. If they ever succeed, the USA will become as intellectually
impoverished as Africa and the Middle East are now.
Regardless of the politics, scientists determine what
science is, and Creationism doesn't make the grade, no matter how much
polish you use on it.
arf meow arf - everything thing i know i learned
from the collective unconscience of odd bodkins
sacramento - political pigsty of the western world
or a babys arm holding an apple
--
MarkA
(This space accidentally filled in)
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| User: "" |
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29 Jan 2008 04:11:41 PM |
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On Thu, 24 Jan 2008 11:19:33 -0800, mariposas rand mair fheal wrote:
Schools teach science. If you want to teach your kids myths, that's
what Sunday school is for. Scientists aren't trying to strong-arm
their way into your Sunday schools to teach the "other theories."
Kindly return the favor, and stop trying to get your religion taught
in public schools.
so the people who pay for schools should not be allowed to decide what
is taught?
To some extent, they do. However, the Constitution places restrictions
on the governments attempts to promote or discourage religions. The
"people", thru their elected representatives, have examined the
arguments and have found, time and again, that Creationism/ID (aka
CIntelligent Designism) is religion, and hence, it is Unconstitutional
to teach it in public schools.
All that could change if the people elected representatives willing to
change the Constitution, or judges willing to accept that Creationism is
not religion. I have no doubt that the anti-intellectuals at the
Discovery Institute, and their brethren, will continue to push for just
that. If they ever succeed, the USA will become as intellectually
impoverished as Africa and the Middle East are now.
Regardless of the politics, scientists determine what science is, and
Creationism doesn't make the grade, no matter how much polish you use on
it.
Only a fool cannot see that those on both sides of this debate have
descended from the ape.
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| User: "Michael Gray" |
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29 Jan 2008 08:58:13 PM |
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On Tue, 29 Jan 2008 22:11:41 GMT, wrote:
On Thu, 24 Jan 2008 11:19:33 -0800, mariposas rand mair fheal wrote:
Schools teach science. If you want to teach your kids myths, that's
what Sunday school is for. Scientists aren't trying to strong-arm
their way into your Sunday schools to teach the "other theories."
Kindly return the favor, and stop trying to get your religion taught
in public schools.
so the people who pay for schools should not be allowed to decide what
is taught?
To some extent, they do. However, the Constitution places restrictions
on the governments attempts to promote or discourage religions. The
"people", thru their elected representatives, have examined the
arguments and have found, time and again, that Creationism/ID (aka
CIntelligent Designism) is religion, and hence, it is Unconstitutional
to teach it in public schools.
All that could change if the people elected representatives willing to
change the Constitution, or judges willing to accept that Creationism is
not religion. I have no doubt that the anti-intellectuals at the
Discovery Institute, and their brethren, will continue to push for just
that. If they ever succeed, the USA will become as intellectually
impoverished as Africa and the Middle East are now.
Regardless of the politics, scientists determine what science is, and
Creationism doesn't make the grade, no matter how much polish you use on
it.
Only a fool cannot see that those on both sides of this debate have
descended from the ape.
What?
Humans ARE apes.
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| User: "mariposas rand mair fheal" |
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29 Jan 2008 10:24:27 PM |
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In article <4tpvp3pmigsb617lpbi7hj9s61ktqt5q6c@4ax.com>,
Michael Gray <mikegray@newsguy.com> wrote:
On Tue, 29 Jan 2008 22:11:41 GMT, wrote:
On Thu, 24 Jan 2008 11:19:33 -0800, mariposas rand mair fheal wrote:
Schools teach science. If you want to teach your kids myths, that's
what Sunday school is for. Scientists aren't trying to strong-arm
their way into your Sunday schools to teach the "other theories."
Kindly return the favor, and stop trying to get your religion taught
in public schools.
so the people who pay for schools should not be allowed to decide what
is taught?
To some extent, they do. However, the Constitution places restrictions
on the governments attempts to promote or discourage religions. The
"people", thru their elected representatives, have examined the
arguments and have found, time and again, that Creationism/ID (aka
CIntelligent Designism) is religion, and hence, it is Unconstitutional
to teach it in public schools.
All that could change if the people elected representatives willing to
change the Constitution, or judges willing to accept that Creationism is
not religion. I have no doubt that the anti-intellectuals at the
Discovery Institute, and their brethren, will continue to push for just
that. If they ever succeed, the USA will become as intellectually
impoverished as Africa and the Middle East are now.
Regardless of the politics, scientists determine what science is, and
Creationism doesn't make the grade, no matter how much polish you use on
it.
Only a fool cannot see that those on both sides of this debate have
descended from the ape.
What?
Humans ARE apes.
no
humans are primates
arf meow arf - everything thing i know i learned
from the collective unconscience of odd bodkins
sacramento - political pigsty of the western world
or a babys arm holding an apple
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| User: "Masked Avenger" |
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| Title: Re: Is Evolution a Fact? |
31 Jan 2008 07:10:35 AM |
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mariposas rand mair fheal wrote:
In article <4tpvp3pmigsb617lpbi7hj9s61ktqt5q6c@4ax.com>,
Michael Gray <mikegray@newsguy.com> wrote:
On Tue, 29 Jan 2008 22:11:41 GMT, wrote:
On Thu, 24 Jan 2008 11:19:33 -0800, mariposas rand mair fheal wrote:
Schools teach science. If you want to teach your kids myths, that's
what Sunday school is for. Scientists aren't trying to strong-arm
their way into your Sunday schools to teach the "other theories."
Kindly return the favor, and stop trying to get your religion taught
in public schools.
so the people who pay for schools should not be allowed to decide what
is taught?
To some extent, they do. However, the Constitution places restrictions
on the governments attempts to promote or discourage religions. The
"people", thru their elected representatives, have examined the
arguments and have found, time and again, that Creationism/ID (aka
CIntelligent Designism) is religion, and hence, it is Unconstitutional
to teach it in public schools.
All that could change if the people elected representatives willing to
change the Constitution, or judges willing to accept that Creationism is
not religion. I have no doubt that the anti-intellectuals at the
Discovery Institute, and their brethren, will continue to push for just
that. If they ever succeed, the USA will become as intellectually
impoverished as Africa and the Middle East are now.
Regardless of the politics, scientists determine what science is, and
Creationism doesn't make the grade, no matter how much polish you use on
it.
Only a fool cannot see that those on both sides of this debate have
descended from the ape.
What?
Humans ARE apes.
no
humans are primates
arf meow arf - everything thing i know i learned
from the collective unconscience of odd bodkins
sacramento - political pigsty of the western world
or a babys arm holding an apple
humans are 'tailless' primates ....... therefore humans are Apes .....
--
MA ....Yoiks .... and away .....
Only two things are infinite, the Universe and human stupidity
.............. and I'm not sure about the Universe ..........
- A. Einstein
Does Schrdinger's cat have 18 half lives ?
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| User: "John \C" |
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31 Jan 2008 08:31:52 AM |
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"Masked Avenger" <cootey_59@yahoo.com> wrote in message
humans are 'tailless' primates ....... therefore humans are Apes .....
Col Jake proves that!
Number One
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| User: "gregvk" |
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24 Jan 2008 01:28:02 PM |
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mariposas rand mair fheal <mair_fheal@yahoo.com> wrote in
news:mair_fheal-FCF286.11193324012008@sn-ip.vsrv-sjc.supernews.net:
Schools teach science. If you want to teach your kids myths, that's
what Sunday school is for. Scientists aren't trying to strong-arm
their way into your Sunday schools to teach the "other theories."
Kindly return the favor, and stop trying to get your religion taught
in public schools.
so the people who pay for schools should not be allowed to decide what
is taught?
Churches don't pay taxes, hon.
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| User: "mariposas rand mair fheal" |
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24 Jan 2008 01:38:01 PM |
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In article <Xns9A2F7EC381A18A7E90087C86051@127.0.0.1>,
gregvk <greg@nospam.okthx> wrote:
mariposas rand mair fheal <mair_fheal@yahoo.com> wrote in
news:mair_fheal-FCF286.11193324012008@sn-ip.vsrv-sjc.supernews.net:
Schools teach science. If you want to teach your kids myths, that's
what Sunday school is for. Scientists aren't trying to strong-arm
their way into your Sunday schools to teach the "other theories."
Kindly return the favor, and stop trying to get your religion taught
in public schools.
so the people who pay for schools should not be allowed to decide what
is taught?
Churches don't pay taxes, hon.
yes they do mon
as do the people who attend them
arf meow arf - everything thing i know i learned
from the collective unconscience of odd bodkins
sacramento - political pigsty of the western world
or a babys arm holding an apple
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| User: "Virgil" |
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| Title: Re: Is Evolution a Fact? |
24 Jan 2008 05:03:41 PM |
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In article
<mair_fheal-01DC17.11380124012008@sn-ip.vsrv-sjc.supernews.net>,
mariposas rand mair fheal <mair_fheal@yahoo.com> wrote:
In article <Xns9A2F7EC381A18A7E90087C86051@127.0.0.1>,
gregvk <greg@nospam.okthx> wrote:
mariposas rand mair fheal <mair_fheal@yahoo.com> wrote in
news:mair_fheal-FCF286.11193324012008@sn-ip.vsrv-sjc.supernews.net:
Schools teach science. If you want to teach your kids myths, that's
what Sunday school is for. Scientists aren't trying to strong-arm
their way into your Sunday schools to teach the "other theories."
Kindly return the favor, and stop trying to get your religion taught
in public schools.
so the people who pay for schools should not be allowed to decide what
is taught?
Churches don't pay taxes, hon.
yes they do mon
Not in the US. See the tax laws re religious exemptions from taxation.
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| User: "gregvk" |
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24 Jan 2008 01:54:04 PM |
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mariposas rand mair fheal <mair_fheal@yahoo.com> wrote in
news:mair_fheal-01DC17.11380124012008@sn-ip.vsrv-sjc.supernews.net:
In article <Xns9A2F7EC381A18A7E90087C86051@127.0.0.1>,
gregvk <greg@nospam.okthx> wrote:
mariposas rand mair fheal <mair_fheal@yahoo.com> wrote in
news:mair_fheal-FCF286.11193324012008@sn-ip.vsrv-sjc.supernews.net:
Schools teach science. If you want to teach your kids myths,
that's
what Sunday school is for. Scientists aren't trying to strong-arm
their way into your Sunday schools to teach the "other theories."
Kindly return the favor, and stop trying to get your religion
taught
in public schools.
so the people who pay for schools should not be allowed to decide
what
is taught?
Churches don't pay taxes, hon.
yes they do mon
IRS Code 508(c)(1)(A) indicates that churches are automatically tax-
exempt under IRS Code 501(c)(3). Feel free to look it up, if you don't
believe me.
I'm not going to dig through the tax codes of every state, but I've
noticed that most states tend to be less greedy than the feds. So if the
IRS doesn't tax churches, I can safely presume that states don't either.
as do the people who attend them
Assuming they earn more than the combined total of their exemptions and
standard deduction, which isn't likely considering that your average
church-goer is a destitute loser.
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| User: "ebataitis" |
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| Title: Re: Is Evolution a Fact? |
24 Jan 2008 01:55:11 PM |
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mariposas rand mair fheal wrote:
Schools teach science. If you want to teach your kids myths, that's what
Sunday school is for. Scientists aren't trying to strong-arm their way
into your Sunday schools to teach the "other theories." Kindly return the
favor, and stop trying to get your religion taught in public schools.
so the people who pay for schools should not be allowed to decide what is taught?
No! Not in the public school system anyway.
Would you be happy if your kid had to attend a school that taught 2+2=5
for math?
Or taught in Chemistry that there were only 4 elements?
Would you be happy if your kid had to attend a school that taught that
Islam is the only true religion?
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| User: "mariposas rand mair fheal" |
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24 Jan 2008 04:17:39 PM |
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In article <z26mj.2679$Sa1.1747@news02.roc.ny>,
ebataitis <nylicens@frontiernet.net> wrote:
mariposas rand mair fheal wrote:
Schools teach science. If you want to teach your kids myths, that's what
Sunday school is for. Scientists aren't trying to strong-arm their way
into your Sunday schools to teach the "other theories." Kindly return the
favor, and stop trying to get your religion taught in public schools.
so the people who pay for schools should not be allowed to decide what is
taught?
No! Not in the public school system anyway.
does any other aspect of democracy bother you?
Would you be happy if your kid had to attend a school that taught 2+2=5
for math?
wrong thing to say to someone who actually studied mathematics
symbols have no inherent meanings
it is quite easy to create such a system
here is an abelian group to do so
plus 0 1 2 5
0 5 0 1 2
1 0 1 2 5
2 1 2 5 0
5 2 5 0 1
and thus 2 plus 2 equals 5
Or taught in Chemistry that there were only 4 elements?
does that produce a useful model?
Would you be happy if your kid had to attend a school that taught that
Islam is the only true religion?
youve already made yourself a god
capable of deciding for everyone else what is reality and truth
and you are demanding our children attend schools
where you are taught as the only true religion
arf meow arf - everything thing i know i learned
from the collective unconscience of odd bodkins
sacramento - political pigsty of the western world
or a babys arm holding an apple
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| User: "gregvk" |
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| Title: Re: Is Evolution a Fact? |
24 Jan 2008 04:22:13 PM |
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mariposas rand mair fheal <mair_fheal@yahoo.com> wrote in
news:mair_fheal-E6E2D8.14173924012008@sn-ip.vsrv-sjc.supernews.net:
Would you be happy if your kid had to attend a school that taught
2+2=5 for math?
wrong thing to say to someone who actually studied mathematics
And you admitted that you couldn't get through college, so you obviously
didn't study quite hard enough.
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| User: "mariposas rand mair fheal" |
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24 Jan 2008 05:05:41 PM |
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In article <Xns9A2F9C4BEA833A7E90087C86051@127.0.0.1>,
gregvk <greg@nospam.okthx> wrote:
mariposas rand mair fheal <mair_fheal@yahoo.com> wrote in
news:mair_fheal-E6E2D8.14173924012008@sn-ip.vsrv-sjc.supernews.net:
Would you be happy if your kid had to attend a school that taught
2+2=5 for math?
wrong thing to say to someone who actually studied mathematics
And you admitted that you couldn't get through college, so you obviously
didn't study quite hard enough.
nice apology
but it really wasnt necessary
arf meow arf - everything thing i know i learned
from the collective unconscience of odd bodkins
sacramento - political pigsty of the western world
or a babys arm holding an apple
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