On Jan 30, 5:32 pm, Bill Ward <bw...@REMOVETHISix.netcom.com> wrote:

On Wed, 30 Jan 2008 08:19:06 -0600, Mark K. Bilbo wrote:

On Wed, 30 Jan 2008 05:48:34 -0800 in
5fe58c6d-abd0-42ab-ac99-a00db93c0...@v46g2000hsv.googlegroups.com, Thomas
<kfuzz...@tinet.ie> wrote:

On Jan 30, 1:08 pm, "Mark K. Bilbo" <gm...@com.mkbilbo> wrote:

On Tue, 29 Jan 2008 16:25:36 -0800 in
490ceb2a-c91e-43fb-bbe0-bfc816569...@q39g2000hsf.googlegroups.com,
Thomas

<kfuzz...@tinet.ie> wrote:

On Jan 29, 11:57 pm, "Mark K. Bilbo" <gm...@com.mkbilbo> wrote:

Global warming is science.

So was eugenics.

Oh my, argument by absurd smears, that's persuasive.

Eugenics was a real scientific movement completely accepted by the
entire scientific world in its day.

I call *****.

It was the "concensus" at the time,

See above.

and lo and behold there is a movement within AGW called the Optimum
Population Trust composed of scientists who are demanding that humans be
prevented from breeding accroding to their potential carbon footprint.
The comparision with eugenics is 100% valid.

Oh yes, let's use extremists as examples of entire groups, movements, and
what not. This means US Christians are *all* Fred Phelps, all atheists are
Stalin, and all Arabs are bin Laden.

That's not any different that the old Eurgenics scientists demanding
that genentic defects be removed from the bloodines in order to serve
the common good.

Different brand of science, same fuckwit meglomanic scientists out of
control. AGW in time will prove itself to be the biggest own goal for
science since Eugenics. .

"...same fuckwit meglomanic scientists out of control."

Well, for *****'s sake, don't use that computer crap nor get anywhere near
that Interweb thing, it's all by fuckwit megalomaniac out-of-control
scientists.

So are antibiotics!

It's only ignorant twits that can't separate out the science from the
hangers on.

That's truer than you realize. Here's a reference to the eugenics
movement. There were enough followers to lead to a lot of grief in the
30's and 40's.

http://www.assumption.edu/ahc/1920s/Eugenics/default.html

I see certain similarities to believers in the current AGW movement. The
"science" behind eugenics was also thought to be settled, but not for long

Eugenics was the product of crackpots and racists.

On Jan 30, 5:32 pm, Bill Ward <bw...@REMOVETHISix.netcom.com> wrote:

On Wed, 30 Jan 2008 08:19:06 -0600, Mark K. Bilbo wrote:

On Wed, 30 Jan 2008 05:48:34 -0800 in
5fe58c6d-abd0-42ab-ac99-a00db93c0...@v46g2000hsv.googlegroups.com,
Thomas <kfuzz...@tinet.ie> wrote:

On Jan 30, 1:08 pm, "Mark K. Bilbo" <gm...@com.mkbilbo> wrote:

On Tue, 29 Jan 2008 16:25:36 -0800 in
490ceb2a-c91e-43fb-bbe0-bfc816569...@q39g2000hsf.googlegroups.com,
Thomas

<kfuzz...@tinet.ie> wrote:

On Jan 29, 11:57 pm, "Mark K. Bilbo" <gm...@com.mkbilbo> wrote:

Global warming is science.

So was eugenics.

Oh my, argument by absurd smears, that's persuasive.

Eugenics was a real scientific movement completely accepted by the
entire scientific world in its day.

I call *****.

It was the "concensus" at the time,

See above.

and lo and behold there is a movement within AGW called the Optimum
Population Trust composed of scientists who are demanding that humans
be prevented from breeding accroding to their potential carbon
footprint. The comparision with eugenics is 100% valid.

Oh yes, let's use extremists as examples of entire groups, movements,
and what not. This means US Christians are *all* Fred Phelps, all
atheists are Stalin, and all Arabs are bin Laden.

That's not any different that the old Eurgenics scientists demanding
that genentic defects be removed from the bloodines in order to serve
the common good.

Different brand of science, same fuckwit meglomanic scientists out of
control. AGW in time will prove itself to be the biggest own goal for
science since Eugenics. .

"...same fuckwit meglomanic scientists out of control."

Well, for *****'s sake, don't use that computer crap nor get anywhere
near that Interweb thing, it's all by fuckwit megalomaniac
out-of-control scientists.

So are antibiotics!

It's only ignorant twits that can't separate out the science from the
hangers on.

That's truer than you realize.  Here's a reference to the eugenics
movement. There were enough followers to lead to a lot of grief in the
30's and 40's.

http://www.assumption.edu/ahc/1920s/Eugenics/default.html

I see certain similarities to believers in the current AGW movement.
 The "science" behind eugenics was also thought to be settled, but not
for long

Eugenics was the product of crackpots and racists. The crackpots and
racists of today are all on the Neo-con side, firmly opposed to anything
that would reduce our dependence on foreign oil, make our equipment more
efficient, or preserve the enviornment.

On Wed, 30 Jan 2008 14:32:23 -0800 in
pan.2008.01.30.22.32.19.626...@REMOVETHISix.netcom.com, Bill Ward



<bw...@REMOVETHISix.netcom.com> wrote:

On Wed, 30 Jan 2008 08:19:06 -0600, Mark K. Bilbo wrote:

On Wed, 30 Jan 2008 05:48:34 -0800 in
5fe58c6d-abd0-42ab-ac99-a00db93c0...@v46g2000hsv.googlegroups.com,
Thomas <kfuzz...@tinet.ie> wrote:

On Jan 30, 1:08 pm, "Mark K. Bilbo" <gm...@com.mkbilbo> wrote:

On Tue, 29 Jan 2008 16:25:36 -0800 in
490ceb2a-c91e-43fb-bbe0-bfc816569...@q39g2000hsf.googlegroups.com,
Thomas

<kfuzz...@tinet.ie> wrote:

On Jan 29, 11:57 pm, "Mark K. Bilbo" <gm...@com.mkbilbo> wrote:

Global warming is science.

So was eugenics.

Oh my, argument by absurd smears, that's persuasive.

Eugenics was a real scientific movement completely accepted by the
entire scientific world in its day.

I call *****.

It was the "concensus" at the time,

See above.

and lo and behold there is a movement within AGW called the Optimum
Population Trust composed of scientists who are demanding that humans
be prevented from breeding accroding to their potential carbon
footprint. The comparision with eugenics is 100% valid.

Oh yes, let's use extremists as examples of entire groups, movements,
and what not. This means US Christians are *all* Fred Phelps, all
atheists are Stalin, and all Arabs are bin Laden.

That's not any different that the old Eurgenics scientists demanding
that genentic defects be removed from the bloodines in order to serve
the common good.

Different brand of science, same fuckwit meglomanic scientists out of
control. AGW in time will prove itself to be the biggest own goal for
science since Eugenics. .

"...same fuckwit meglomanic scientists out of control."

Well, for *****'s sake, don't use that computer crap nor get anywhere
near that Interweb thing, it's all by fuckwit megalomaniac
out-of-control scientists.

So are antibiotics!

It's only ignorant twits that can't separate out the science from the
hangers on.

That's truer than you realize. Here's a reference to the eugenics
movement. There were enough followers to lead to a lot of grief in the
30's and 40's.

http://www.assumption.edu/ahc/1920s/Eugenics/default.html

I see certain similarities to believers in the current AGW movement.
The "science" behind eugenics was also thought to be settled, but not
for long.

There was no science behind eugenics.

The "comparison" is mere smear tactic.

On Wed, 30 Jan 2008 14:32:23 -0800 in
pan.2008.01.30.22.32.19.626898@REMOVETHISix.netcom.com, Bill Ward
<bward@REMOVETHISix.netcom.com> wrote:

On Wed, 30 Jan 2008 08:19:06 -0600, Mark K. Bilbo wrote:

On Wed, 30 Jan 2008 05:48:34 -0800 in
5fe58c6d-abd0-42ab-ac99-a00db93c022d@v46g2000hsv.googlegroups.com,
Thomas <kfuzzbox@tinet.ie> wrote:

On Jan 30, 1:08 pm, "Mark K. Bilbo" <gm...@com.mkbilbo> wrote:

On Tue, 29 Jan 2008 16:25:36 -0800 in
490ceb2a-c91e-43fb-bbe0-bfc816569...@q39g2000hsf.googlegroups.com,
Thomas

<kfuzz...@tinet.ie> wrote:

On Jan 29, 11:57 pm, "Mark K. Bilbo" <gm...@com.mkbilbo> wrote:

Global warming is science.

So was eugenics.

Oh my, argument by absurd smears, that's persuasive.

Eugenics was a real scientific movement completely accepted by the
entire scientific world in its day.

I call *****.

It was the "concensus" at the time,

See above.

and lo and behold there is a movement within AGW called the Optimum
Population Trust composed of scientists who are demanding that humans
be prevented from breeding accroding to their potential carbon
footprint. The comparision with eugenics is 100% valid.

Oh yes, let's use extremists as examples of entire groups, movements,
and what not. This means US Christians are *all* Fred Phelps, all
atheists are Stalin, and all Arabs are bin Laden.

That's not any different that the old Eurgenics scientists demanding
that genentic defects be removed from the bloodines in order to serve
the common good.

Different brand of science, same fuckwit meglomanic scientists out of
control. AGW in time will prove itself to be the biggest own goal for
science since Eugenics. .

"...same fuckwit meglomanic scientists out of control."

Well, for *****'s sake, don't use that computer crap nor get anywhere
near that Interweb thing, it's all by fuckwit megalomaniac
out-of-control scientists.

So are antibiotics!


It's only ignorant twits that can't separate out the science from the
hangers on.

That's truer than you realize. Here's a reference to the eugenics
movement. There were enough followers to lead to a lot of grief in the
30's and 40's.

http://www.assumption.edu/ahc/1920s/Eugenics/default.html

I see certain similarities to believers in the current AGW movement. The
"science" behind eugenics was also thought to be settled, but not for
long.

There was no science behind eugenics.

Thomas said the following on 1/29/2008 4:25 PM:

On Jan 29, 11:57 pm, "Mark K. Bilbo" <gm...@com.mkbilbo> wrote:

Global warming is science.

So was eugenics.

Computers are also science.

Let's get rid of them.

Thomas <kfuzzbox@tinet.ie> said:

I watched a BBC documentary on Jim Jones "socialist, sustainable
paradise" and the appalling loss of life which it resulted in back in
1979 and it was an incredible piece of television. Compelling and very
upsetting. I had no idea that Jones' voice on the speaker system had
been recorded as the mass killings took place. To hear women screaming
as their infants and children were taken from them as Jim Jones shouts
on the microphone "mother, please do not be like this, give your child
up to God."

I know a lot of people over the years have made fun of the Jonestown
thing and Kool-Aid jokes. But this documentary really brought home
what a horrible human tragedy it was. The guy who escaped after her
could not talk his wife out of killing herself and their son was just
heartbreaking to listen too. Coupled with this he also lost his sister
and nephew and niece as well.

What it also brought home was that the most pro-Jones fanatics tended
to be middle-class and above, college educated types who enforced this
lifestyle using dreams of utophia first, paranoia secondly, then
murder later when followers began to question the cult.

So much of the same psychological dynamic at Jonestown, you can
clearly see it again with the Al Gore/AGW folks. But this is even more
frightening as mass media allows this to happen on a global scale
these days and people in the West are even more stupid and sheep-like
than there were back in the 1970's.

As long as there are people who want some uthopian dream and there is
a leader to exploit them it will always happen. Matters not what their
education level is. In fact, I would say the more educated a person
is, the more they are likely to lack real social intelligence and
therefore more more prone to be taken in by cult leaders types.

You can manipulate just about anyone with a false promises which play
on their insecurities, and then later paranoia.

I would not be surprised if any of the eco-projects around the world
don't end up like Jonestown. Watching the Jonestown story at the
begining it was just like these "sustainable" communities with
socialist ideals we see springing up all over with civil servants and
other middle-class easily manipulated types being controlled as soon
as their dream starts to wobble.

The whole Global Warming crowd are all potential Jonestowns in the
making.

If you listen to how Al Gore slowly and patronisingly speaks on TV or
in public, and then Jim Jones at Jonestown on the speaker system. It
is spine-chilling.

Anybody know the name of this kind of fallacy? It's probably "guilt by
association" because Thomas wants us to associate Al Gore with Jim
Jones and Global Warming with "Global" Jonestown.

http://www.fallacyfiles.org/guiltbya.html

At any rate, I'll bet Thomas leaves a trail of slime wherever he goes.

Thomas <kfuzzbox@tinet.ie> said:

I watched a BBC documentary on Jim Jones "socialist, sustainable
paradise" and the appalling loss of life which it resulted in back in
1979 and it was an incredible piece of television. Compelling and very
upsetting. I had no idea that Jones' voice on the speaker system had
been recorded as the mass killings took place. To hear women screaming
as their infants and children were taken from them as Jim Jones shouts
on the microphone "mother, please do not be like this, give your child
up to God."

I know a lot of people over the years have made fun of the Jonestown
thing and Kool-Aid jokes. But this documentary really brought home
what a horrible human tragedy it was. The guy who escaped after her
could not talk his wife out of killing herself and their son was just
heartbreaking to listen too. Coupled with this he also lost his sister
and nephew and niece as well.

What it also brought home was that the most pro-Jones fanatics tended
to be middle-class and above, college educated types who enforced this
lifestyle using dreams of utophia first, paranoia secondly, then
murder later when followers began to question the cult.

So much of the same psychological dynamic at Jonestown, you can
clearly see it again with the Al Gore/AGW folks. But this is even more
frightening as mass media allows this to happen on a global scale
these days and people in the West are even more stupid and sheep-like
than there were back in the 1970's.

As long as there are people who want some uthopian dream and there is
a leader to exploit them it will always happen. Matters not what their
education level is. In fact, I would say the more educated a person
is, the more they are likely to lack real social intelligence and
therefore more more prone to be taken in by cult leaders types.

You can manipulate just about anyone with a false promises which play
on their insecurities, and then later paranoia.

I would not be surprised if any of the eco-projects around the world
don't end up like Jonestown. Watching the Jonestown story at the
begining it was just like these "sustainable" communities with
socialist ideals we see springing up all over with civil servants and
other middle-class easily manipulated types being controlled as soon
as their dream starts to wobble.

The whole Global Warming crowd are all potential Jonestowns in the
making.

If you listen to how Al Gore slowly and patronisingly speaks on TV or
in public, and then Jim Jones at Jonestown on the speaker system. It
is spine-chilling.

Anybody know the name of this kind of fallacy?

Thomas <kfuzzbox@tinet.ie> said:

I watched a BBC documentary on Jim Jones "socialist, sustainable
paradise" and the appalling loss of life which it resulted in back in
1979 and it was an incredible piece of television. Compelling and very
upsetting. I had no idea that Jones' voice on the speaker system had
been recorded as the mass killings took place. To hear women screaming
as their infants and children were taken from them as Jim Jones shouts
on the microphone "mother, please do not be like this, give your child
up to God."

I know a lot of people over the years have made fun of the Jonestown
thing and Kool-Aid jokes. But this documentary really brought home
what a horrible human tragedy it was. The guy who escaped after her
could not talk his wife out of killing herself and their son was just
heartbreaking to listen too. Coupled with this he also lost his sister
and nephew and niece as well.

What it also brought home was that the most pro-Jones fanatics tended
to be middle-class and above, college educated types who enforced this
lifestyle using dreams of utophia first, paranoia secondly, then
murder later when followers began to question the cult.

So much of the same psychological dynamic at Jonestown, you can
clearly see it again with the Al Gore/AGW folks. But this is even more
frightening as mass media allows this to happen on a global scale
these days and people in the West are even more stupid and sheep-like
than there were back in the 1970's.

As long as there are people who want some uthopian dream and there is
a leader to exploit them it will always happen. Matters not what their
education level is. In fact, I would say the more educated a person
is, the more they are likely to lack real social intelligence and
therefore more more prone to be taken in by cult leaders types.

You can manipulate just about anyone with a false promises which play
on their insecurities, and then later paranoia.

I would not be surprised if any of the eco-projects around the world
don't end up like Jonestown. Watching the Jonestown story at the
begining it was just like these "sustainable" communities with
socialist ideals we see springing up all over with civil servants and
other middle-class easily manipulated types being controlled as soon
as their dream starts to wobble.

The whole Global Warming crowd are all potential Jonestowns in the
making.

If you listen to how Al Gore slowly and patronisingly speaks on TV or
in public, and then Jim Jones at Jonestown on the speaker system. It
is spine-chilling.

Anybody know the name of this kind of fallacy? It's probably "guilt by
association" because Thomas wants us to associate Al Gore with Jim
Jones and Global Warming with "Global" Jonestown.

http://www.fallacyfiles.org/guiltbya.html

At any rate, I'll bet Thomas leaves a trail of slime wherever he goes.