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Religions > Atheism |
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"Thomas" |
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29 Jan 2008 09:53:42 AM |
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Is Global Warming the Global Jonestown? |
I watched a BBC documentary on Jim Jones "socialist, sustainable
paradise" and the appalling loss of life which it resulted in back in
1979 and it was an incredible piece of television. Compelling and very
upsetting. I had no idea that Jones' voice on the speaker system had
been recorded as the mass killings took place. To hear women screaming
as their infants and children were taken from them as Jim Jones shouts
on the microphone "mother, please do not be like this, give your child
up to God."
I know a lot of people over the years have made fun of the Jonestown
thing and Kool-Aid jokes. But this documentary really brought home
what a horrible human tragedy it was. The guy who escaped after her
could not talk his wife out of killing herself and their son was just
heartbreaking to listen too. Coupled with this he also lost his sister
and nephew and niece as well.
What it also brought home was that the most pro-Jones fanatics tended
to be middle-class and above, college educated types who enforced this
lifestyle using dreams of utophia first, paranoia secondly, then
murder later when followers began to question the cult.
So much of the same psychological dynamic at Jonestown, you can
clearly see it again with the Al Gore/AGW folks. But this is even more
frightening as mass media allows this to happen on a global scale
these days and people in the West are even more stupid and sheep-like
than there were back in the 1970's.
As long as there are people who want some uthopian dream and there is
a leader to exploit them it will always happen. Matters not what their
education level is. In fact, I would say the more educated a person
is, the more they are likely to lack real social intelligence and
therefore more more prone to be taken in by cult leaders types.
You can manipulate just about anyone with a false promises which play
on their insecurities, and then later paranoia.
I would not be surprised if any of the eco-projects around the world
don't end up like Jonestown. Watching the Jonestown story at the
begining it was just like these "sustainable" communities with
socialist ideals we see springing up all over with civil servants and
other middle-class easily manipulated types being controlled as soon
as their dream starts to wobble.
The whole Global Warming crowd are all potential Jonestowns in the
making.
If you listen to how Al Gore slowly and patronisingly speaks on TV or
in public, and then Jim Jones at Jonestown on the speaker system. It
is spine-chilling.
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| User: "Bozon" |
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| Title: Re: Is Global Warming the Global Jonestown? |
29 Jan 2008 08:00:07 PM |
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"Thomas" <kfuzzbox@tinet.ie> wrote in message
news:e1487049-f1ec-4d79-a0bb-d556673fb9b1@y5g2000hsf.googlegroups.com...
I watched a BBC documentary on Jim Jones "socialist, sustainable
paradise" and the appalling loss of life which it resulted in back in
1979 and it was an incredible piece of television.
Jim Jones has morphed into our beloved
"Still-Flogging-Dead-Horse-Socialism" Fran!
Regards
Bonzo
"Attributing global climate change to human CO2 production is akin to
trying to diagnose an automotive problem by ignoring the engine
(analogous to the Sun in the climate system) and the transmission (water
vapour) and instead focusing entirely, not on one nut on a rear wheel,
which would be analogous to total CO2, but on one thread on that nut,
which represents the human contribution." Dr. Timothy Ball, Chairman of
the Natural Resources Stewardship Project (NRSP.com), Former Professor
Of Climatology, University of Winnipeg
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| User: "Vote out Brendan Nelson" |
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| Title: Re: Is Global Warming the Global Jonestown? |
29 Jan 2008 10:59:06 PM |
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Bozon wrote:
"Thomas" <kfuzzbox@tinet.ie> wrote in message
news:e1487049-f1ec-4d79-a0bb-d556673fb9b1@y5g2000hsf.googlegroups.com...
I watched a BBC documentary on Jim Jones "socialist, sustainable
paradise" and the appalling loss of life which it resulted in back in
1979 and it was an incredible piece of television.
Jim Jones has morphed into our beloved
"Still-Flogging-Dead-Horse-Socialism" Fran!
Regards
Bonzo
"Attributing global climate change to human CO2 production is akin to
trying to diagnose an automotive problem by ignoring the engine
(analogous to the Sun in the climate system) and the transmission (water
vapour) and instead focusing entirely, not on one nut on a rear wheel,
which would be analogous to total CO2, but on one thread on that nut,
which represents the human contribution." Dr. Timothy Ball, Chairman of
the Natural Resources Stewardship Project (NRSP.com), Former Professor
Of Climatology, University of Winnipeg
*****
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| User: "Lloyd" |
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| Title: Re: Is Global Warming the Global Jonestown? |
29 Jan 2008 01:11:05 PM |
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On Jan 29, 10:53 am, Thomas <kfuzz...@tinet.ie> wrote:
I watched a BBC documentary on Jim Jones "socialist, sustainable
paradise" and the appalling loss of life which it resulted in back in
1979 and it was an incredible piece of television. Compelling and very
upsetting. I had no idea that Jones' voice on the speaker system had
been recorded as the mass killings took place. To hear women screaming
as their infants and children were taken from them as Jim Jones shouts
on the microphone "mother, please do not be like this, give your child
up to God."
I know a lot of people over the years have made fun of the Jonestown
thing and Kool-Aid jokes. But this documentary really brought home
what a horrible human tragedy it was. The guy who escaped after her
could not talk his wife out of killing herself and their son was just
heartbreaking to listen too. Coupled with this he also lost his sister
and nephew and niece as well.
What it also brought home was that the most pro-Jones fanatics tended
to be middle-class and above, college educated types who enforced this
lifestyle using dreams of utophia first, paranoia secondly, then
murder later when followers began to question the cult.
So much of the same psychological dynamic at Jonestown, you can
clearly see it again with the Al Gore/AGW folks. But this is even more
frightening as mass media allows this to happen on a global scale
these days and people in the West are even more stupid and sheep-like
than there were back in the 1970's.
As long as there are people who want some uthopian dream and there is
a leader to exploit them it will always happen. Matters not what their
education level is. In fact, I would say the more educated a person
is, the more they are likely to lack real social intelligence and
therefore more more prone to be taken in by cult leaders types.
You can manipulate just about anyone with a false promises which play
on their insecurities, and then later paranoia.
I would not be surprised if any of the eco-projects around the world
don't end up like Jonestown. Watching the Jonestown story at the
begining it was just like these "sustainable" communities with
socialist ideals we see springing up all over with civil servants and
other middle-class easily manipulated types being controlled as soon
as their dream starts to wobble.
The whole Global Warming crowd are all potential Jonestowns in the
making.
If you listen to how Al Gore slowly and patronisingly speaks on TV or
in public, and then Jim Jones at Jonestown on the speaker system. It
is spine-chilling.
Cuckoo! Cuckoo! OK, the alien spacecraft behind the comet is ready
for you.
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| User: "columbiaaccidentinvestigation" |
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| Title: Re: Is Global Warming the Global Jonestown? |
29 Jan 2008 10:04:58 AM |
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On Jan 29, 7:53=A0am, Thomas <kfuzz...@tinet.ie> wrote:" I watched a BBC
documentary on Jim Jones"
missing your leader?
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| User: "Tom Gardner" |
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29 Jan 2008 10:46:27 AM |
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"columbiaaccidentinvestigation" <columbiaaccidentinvestigation@yahoo.com>
wrote in message
news:334782cc-2660-420d-b533-bf681980c59c@e10g2000prf.googlegroups.com...
On Jan 29, 7:53 am, Thomas <kfuzz...@tinet.ie> wrote:" I watched a BBC
documentary on Jim Jones"
missing your leader?
Strike a nerve?
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| User: "columbiaaccidentinvestigation" |
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| Title: Re: Is Global Warming the Global Jonestown? |
29 Jan 2008 10:58:03 AM |
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On Jan 29, 8:46=A0am, "Tom Gardner" <tom(nospam)@ohiobrush.com> wrote:
"columbiaaccidentinvestigation" <columbiaaccidentinvestigat...@yahoo.com>
wrote in messagenews:334782cc-2660-420d-b533-bf681980c59c@e10g2000prf.goog=
legroups.com...
On Jan 29, 7:53 am, Thomas <kfuzz...@tinet.ie> wrote:" I watched a BBC
documentary on Jim Jones"
missing your leader?
Strike a nerve?
na, how about you, are you missing your previous leader jim jones so
bad you need to replace him?
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| User: "Rob" |
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| Title: Re: Is Global Warming the Global Jonestown? |
29 Jan 2008 12:10:05 PM |
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"columbiaaccidentinvestigation" <columbiaaccidentinvestigation@yahoo.com>
wrote in message
news:97901b4b-df45-4bd3-8394-06d93303e37f@l1g2000hsa.googlegroups.com...
On Jan 29, 8:46 am, "Tom Gardner" <tom(nospam)@ohiobrush.com> wrote:
"columbiaaccidentinvestigation" <columbiaaccidentinvestigat...@yahoo.com>
wrote in
messagenews:334782cc-2660-420d-b533-bf681980c59c@e10g2000prf.googlegroups.com...
On Jan 29, 7:53 am, Thomas <kfuzz...@tinet.ie> wrote:" I watched a BBC
documentary on Jim Jones"
missing your leader?
Strike a nerve?
na, how about you, are you missing your previous leader jim jones so
bad you need to replace him?
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He does not need too. Al Gore has taken over for the GW k00ks.
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| User: "columbiaaccidentinvestigation" |
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| Title: Re: Is Global Warming the Global Jonestown? |
29 Jan 2008 12:20:58 PM |
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On Jan 29, 10:10 am, "Rob" <Rob...@comcast.net> wrote:
"columbiaaccidentinvestigation" <columbiaaccidentinvestigat...@yahoo.com>
wrote in messagenews:97901b4b-df45-4bd3-8394-06d93303e37f@l1g2000hsa.googlegroups.com...
On Jan 29, 8:46 am, "Tom Gardner" <tom(nospam)@ohiobrush.com> wrote:
"columbiaaccidentinvestigation" <columbiaaccidentinvestigat...@yahoo.com>
wrote in
messagenews:334782cc-2660-420d-b533-bf681980c59c@e10g2000prf.googlegroups.com...
On Jan 29, 7:53 am, Thomas <kfuzz...@tinet.ie> wrote:" I watched a BBC
documentary on Jim Jones"
missing your leader?
Strike a nerve?
na, how about you, are you missing your previous leader jim jones so
bad you need to replace him?
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He does not need too. Al Gore has taken over for the GW k00ks.
same old lame tired stuff, look if you want an ex vp to be your leader
you might want to contact him yourself, and if thomas want jim jones
as his leader that's fine to, but lame tired jokes and idiotic insults
are really just posted around here as weak attempts to rally your
little peanut gallery...
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| User: "Tom Gardner" |
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| Title: Re: Is Global Warming the Global Jonestown? |
29 Jan 2008 11:24:29 PM |
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"columbiaaccidentinvestigation" <columbiaaccidentinvestigation@yahoo.com> wrote
in message
news:97901b4b-df45-4bd3-8394-06d93303e37f@l1g2000hsa.googlegroups.com...
On Jan 29, 8:46 am, "Tom Gardner" <tom(nospam)@ohiobrush.com> wrote:
"columbiaaccidentinvestigation" <columbiaaccidentinvestigat...@yahoo.com>
wrote in
messagenews:334782cc-2660-420d-b533-bf681980c59c@e10g2000prf.googlegroups.com...
On Jan 29, 7:53 am, Thomas <kfuzz...@tinet.ie> wrote:" I watched a BBC
documentary on Jim Jones"
missing your leader?
Strike a nerve?
na, how about you, are you missing your previous leader jim jones so
bad you need to replace him?
Na, I don't buy into the leader du jour like the AGW folks. It's OK, you guys
need a hobby...even if it is world conquest.
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| User: "Jayaprakash" |
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| Title: Re: Is Global Warming the Global Jonestown? |
29 Jan 2008 11:41:34 PM |
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Even if specific global warming claims are questionable (and I'm not
conceding that they are, just using it as an as-if), how exactly does
working to protect the environment we all live in and find more
sustainable lifestyles equal a suicidal lemming-march? Your illucidity
is monumental.
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| User: "Tom Gardner" |
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| Title: Re: Is Global Warming the Global Jonestown? |
30 Jan 2008 11:27:39 AM |
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"Jayaprakash" <jayaprakash@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:fb962055-32bb-44b9-a06c-4b104cb1c0b1@f10g2000hsf.googlegroups.com...
Even if specific global warming claims are questionable (and I'm not
conceding that they are, just using it as an as-if), how exactly does
working to protect the environment we all live in and find more
sustainable lifestyles equal a suicidal lemming-march? Your illucidity
is monumental.
They AREN'T working to protect the environment! I've done more for the
environment than 99% of the AGW folks and I can PROVE it! Get you head out of
the sand and see the scam.
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| User: "columbiaaccidentinvestigation" |
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| Title: Re: Is Global Warming the Global Jonestown? |
30 Jan 2008 12:27:00 AM |
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On Jan 29, 9:24=A0pm, "Tom Gardner" <tom(spamless)@ohiobrush.com>
wrote:"Na, I don't buy into the leader du jour like the AGW folks.
=A0It's OK, you guys need a hobby...even if it is world conquest."
Interesting, actually it appears you do, its ok though, people like
you typically and predictably find it necessary to make weak attempts
at insults as you have here, no problem for they are your words and
simply reflect your antagonistic desires....
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| User: "Tom Gardner" |
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| Title: Re: Is Global Warming the Global Jonestown? |
30 Jan 2008 11:32:23 AM |
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"columbiaaccidentinvestigation" <columbiaaccidentinvestigation@yahoo.com> wrote
in message
news:c5aa6c56-0c9b-486a-b689-ac6554fd49e1@m34g2000hsb.googlegroups.com...
On Jan 29, 9:24 pm, "Tom Gardner" <tom(spamless)@ohiobrush.com>
wrote:"Na, I don't buy into the leader du jour like the AGW folks.
It's OK, you guys need a hobby...even if it is world conquest."
Interesting, actually it appears you do, its ok though, people like
you typically and predictably find it necessary to make weak attempts
at insults as you have here, no problem for they are your words and
simply reflect your antagonistic desires....
Then quit trying to grab money and power! All the AGW folks do is detract from
fighting REAL pollution and REAL energy problems. Take the "WE ARE GOING TO
COLLAPSE EVERY ECONOMY AND MAKE YOU ALL LIVE IN CAVES!" out of your rant and
people would be less antagonized.
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| User: "columbiaaccidentinvestigation" |
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30 Jan 2008 11:44:51 AM |
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On Jan 30, 9:32 am, "Tom Gardner" <tom(spamless)@ohiobrush.com>
wrote:Then quit trying to grab money and power! All the AGW folks do
is detract from fighting REAL pollution and REAL energy problems.
Take the "WE ARE GOING TO COLLAPSE EVERY ECONOMY AND MAKE YOU ALL
LIVE IN CAVES!" out of your rant and people would be less
antagonized."
never had it, so you are creating another straw man in expressing your
weak opinions, now you could (i emphasize could) take the bs out of
your posts if you wanted to have any sort of meaningful statement, but
then you would be posting nothing at all. So based on your actions i
don't really care what you think, and i know you have an over inflated
opinion of yourself, that's ok just turn the monitor off, stare and
the reflection and you will see the only one who holds such a high
opinion of you is yourself....
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| User: "Tom Gardner" |
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| Title: Re: Is Global Warming the Global Jonestown? |
30 Jan 2008 01:24:08 PM |
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"columbiaaccidentinvestigation" <columbiaaccidentinvestigation@yahoo.com>
wrote in message
news:c7915894-54d7-4037-8766-f9754f60d12e@e25g2000prg.googlegroups.com...
On Jan 30, 9:32 am, "Tom Gardner" <tom(spamless)@ohiobrush.com>
wrote:Then quit trying to grab money and power! All the AGW folks do
is detract from fighting REAL pollution and REAL energy problems.
Take the "WE ARE GOING TO COLLAPSE EVERY ECONOMY AND MAKE YOU ALL
LIVE IN CAVES!" out of your rant and people would be less
antagonized."
never had it, so you are creating another straw man in expressing your
weak opinions, now you could (i emphasize could) take the bs out of
your posts if you wanted to have any sort of meaningful statement, but
then you would be posting nothing at all. So based on your actions i
don't really care what you think, and i know you have an over inflated
opinion of yourself, that's ok just turn the monitor off, stare and
the reflection and you will see the only one who holds such a high
opinion of you is yourself....
Oh, brother! Don't forget, I dismiss your arrogant, sophomoric opinions as
easily as you dismiss my insightful, benevolent wisdom.
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| User: "columbiaaccidentinvestigation" |
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30 Jan 2008 01:37:22 PM |
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On Jan 30, 11:24 am, "Tom Gardner" <tom(nospam)@ohiobrush.com> wrote:
"columbiaaccidentinvestigation" <columbiaaccidentinvestigat...@yahoo.com>
wrote in messagenews:c7915894-54d7-4037-8766-f9754f60d12e@e25g2000prg.googlegroups.com...
On Jan 30, 9:32 am, "Tom Gardner" <tom(spamless)@ohiobrush.com>
wrote:Then quit trying to grab money and power! All the AGW folks do
is detract from fighting REAL pollution and REAL energy problems.
Take the "WE ARE GOING TO COLLAPSE EVERY ECONOMY AND MAKE YOU ALL
LIVE IN CAVES!" out of your rant and people would be less
antagonized."
never had it, so you are creating another straw man in expressing your
weak opinions, now you could (i emphasize could) take the bs out of
your posts if you wanted to have any sort of meaningful statement, but
then you would be posting nothing at all. So based on your actions i
don't really care what you think, and i know you have an over inflated
opinion of yourself, that's ok just turn the monitor off, stare and
the reflection and you will see the only one who holds such a high
opinion of you is yourself....
Oh, brother! Don't forget, I dismiss your arrogant, sophomoric opinions as
easily as you dismiss my insightful, benevolent wisdom.- Hide quoted text -
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laughing, you throw (lame and weak) attempts at insults at other
people, and then you characterize your actions as benevolent, man you
are way too full of yourself as your words are laced with antagonism
and not kindness, which demonstrates your above words are hypocritical
in nature, but don't worry I would never expect you to admit it as you
have shown to be your own best supporter...
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| User: "Tom Gardner" |
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| Title: Re: Is Global Warming the Global Jonestown? |
30 Jan 2008 06:07:00 PM |
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"columbiaaccidentinvestigation" <columbiaaccidentinvestigation@yahoo.com> wrote
in message
news:a8c2ee0f-97d0-4d9a-b242-18f9821b3a5c@e23g2000prf.googlegroups.com...
On Jan 30, 11:24 am, "Tom Gardner" <tom(nospam)@ohiobrush.com> wrote:
"columbiaaccidentinvestigation" <columbiaaccidentinvestigat...@yahoo.com>
wrote in
messagenews:c7915894-54d7-4037-8766-f9754f60d12e@e25g2000prg.googlegroups.com...
On Jan 30, 9:32 am, "Tom Gardner" <tom(spamless)@ohiobrush.com>
wrote:Then quit trying to grab money and power! All the AGW folks do
is detract from fighting REAL pollution and REAL energy problems.
Take the "WE ARE GOING TO COLLAPSE EVERY ECONOMY AND MAKE YOU ALL
LIVE IN CAVES!" out of your rant and people would be less
antagonized."
never had it, so you are creating another straw man in expressing your
weak opinions, now you could (i emphasize could) take the bs out of
your posts if you wanted to have any sort of meaningful statement, but
then you would be posting nothing at all. So based on your actions i
don't really care what you think, and i know you have an over inflated
opinion of yourself, that's ok just turn the monitor off, stare and
the reflection and you will see the only one who holds such a high
opinion of you is yourself....
Oh, brother! Don't forget, I dismiss your arrogant, sophomoric opinions as
easily as you dismiss my insightful, benevolent wisdom.- Hide quoted text -
- Show quoted text -
laughing, you throw (lame and weak) attempts at insults at other
people, and then you characterize your actions as benevolent, man you
are way too full of yourself as your words are laced with antagonism
and not kindness, which demonstrates your above words are hypocritical
in nature, but don't worry I would never expect you to admit it as you
have shown to be your own best supporter...
You take yourself much too seriously. Sing a few choruses of Kumbaya and you'll
feel better!
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| User: "Budikka666" |
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| Title: Re: Is Global Warming the Global Jonestown? |
30 Jan 2008 12:18:22 AM |
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On Jan 29, 9:53 am, Thomas <kfuzz...@tinet.ie> wrote:
I watched a BBC documentary on Jim Jones "socialist, sustainable
paradise" and the appalling loss of life which it resulted in back in
1979 and it was an incredible piece of television. Compelling and very
upsetting. I had no idea that Jones' voice on the speaker system had
been recorded as the mass killings took place. To hear women screaming
as their infants and children were taken from them as Jim Jones shouts
on the microphone "mother, please do not be like this, give your child
up to God."
I know a lot of people over the years have made fun of the Jonestown
thing and Kool-Aid jokes. But this documentary really brought home
what a horrible human tragedy it was. The guy who escaped after her
could not talk his wife out of killing herself and their son was just
heartbreaking to listen too. Coupled with this he also lost his sister
and nephew and niece as well.
What it also brought home was that the most pro-Jones fanatics tended
to be middle-class and above, college educated types who enforced this
lifestyle using dreams of utophia first, paranoia secondly, then
murder later when followers began to question the cult.
So much of the same psychological dynamic at Jonestown, you can
clearly see it again with the Al Gore/AGW folks. But this is even more
frightening as mass media allows this to happen on a global scale
these days and people in the West are even more stupid and sheep-like
than there were back in the 1970's.
As long as there are people who want some uthopian dream and there is
a leader to exploit them it will always happen. Matters not what their
education level is. In fact, I would say the more educated a person
is, the more they are likely to lack real social intelligence and
therefore more more prone to be taken in by cult leaders types.
You can manipulate just about anyone with a false promises which play
on their insecurities, and then later paranoia.
I would not be surprised if any of the eco-projects around the world
don't end up like Jonestown. Watching the Jonestown story at the
begining it was just like these "sustainable" communities with
socialist ideals we see springing up all over with civil servants and
other middle-class easily manipulated types being controlled as soon
as their dream starts to wobble.
The whole Global Warming crowd are all potential Jonestowns in the
making.
If you listen to how Al Gore slowly and patronisingly speaks on TV or
in public, and then Jim Jones at Jonestown on the speaker system. It
is spine-chilling.
You need to take some of the Hot Aid.
Budikka
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| User: "Talk-n-Dog" |
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| Title: Re: Is Global Warming the Global Jonestown? |
30 Jan 2008 12:20:14 AM |
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Budikka666 wrote:
On Jan 29, 9:53 am, Thomas <kfuzz...@tinet.ie> wrote:
I watched a BBC documentary on Jim Jones "socialist, sustainable
paradise" and the appalling loss of life which it resulted in back in
1979 and it was an incredible piece of television. Compelling and very
upsetting. I had no idea that Jones' voice on the speaker system had
been recorded as the mass killings took place. To hear women screaming
as their infants and children were taken from them as Jim Jones shouts
on the microphone "mother, please do not be like this, give your child
up to God."
I know a lot of people over the years have made fun of the Jonestown
thing and Kool-Aid jokes. But this documentary really brought home
what a horrible human tragedy it was. The guy who escaped after her
could not talk his wife out of killing herself and their son was just
heartbreaking to listen too. Coupled with this he also lost his sister
and nephew and niece as well.
What it also brought home was that the most pro-Jones fanatics tended
to be middle-class and above, college educated types who enforced this
lifestyle using dreams of utophia first, paranoia secondly, then
murder later when followers began to question the cult.
So much of the same psychological dynamic at Jonestown, you can
clearly see it again with the Al Gore/AGW folks. But this is even more
frightening as mass media allows this to happen on a global scale
these days and people in the West are even more stupid and sheep-like
than there were back in the 1970's.
As long as there are people who want some uthopian dream and there is
a leader to exploit them it will always happen. Matters not what their
education level is. In fact, I would say the more educated a person
is, the more they are likely to lack real social intelligence and
therefore more more prone to be taken in by cult leaders types.
You can manipulate just about anyone with a false promises which play
on their insecurities, and then later paranoia.
I would not be surprised if any of the eco-projects around the world
don't end up like Jonestown. Watching the Jonestown story at the
begining it was just like these "sustainable" communities with
socialist ideals we see springing up all over with civil servants and
other middle-class easily manipulated types being controlled as soon
as their dream starts to wobble.
The whole Global Warming crowd are all potential Jonestowns in the
making.
If you listen to how Al Gore slowly and patronisingly speaks on TV or
in public, and then Jim Jones at Jonestown on the speaker system. It
is spine-chilling.
They both have the personality and appeal of a corps.
You need to take some of the Hot Aid.
Budikka
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| User: "Ye Old One" |
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| Title: Re: Is Global Warming the Global Jonestown? |
29 Jan 2008 02:51:32 PM |
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On Tue, 29 Jan 2008 07:53:42 -0800 (PST), Thomas <kfuzzbox@tinet.ie>
enriched this group when s/he wrote:
I watched a BBC documentary on Jim Jones "socialist, sustainable
paradise" and the appalling loss of life which it resulted in back in
1979 and it was an incredible piece of television. Compelling and very
upsetting. I had no idea that Jones' voice on the speaker system had
been recorded as the mass killings took place. To hear women screaming
as their infants and children were taken from them as Jim Jones shouts
on the microphone "mother, please do not be like this, give your child
up to God."
I know a lot of people over the years have made fun of the Jonestown
thing and Kool-Aid jokes. But this documentary really brought home
what a horrible human tragedy it was. The guy who escaped after her
could not talk his wife out of killing herself and their son was just
heartbreaking to listen too. Coupled with this he also lost his sister
and nephew and niece as well.
What it also brought home was that the most pro-Jones fanatics tended
to be middle-class and above, college educated types who enforced this
lifestyle using dreams of utophia first, paranoia secondly, then
murder later when followers began to question the cult.
So much of the same psychological dynamic at Jonestown, you can
clearly see it again with the Al Gore/AGW folks. But this is even more
frightening as mass media allows this to happen on a global scale
these days and people in the West are even more stupid and sheep-like
than there were back in the 1970's.
As long as there are people who want some uthopian dream and there is
a leader to exploit them it will always happen. Matters not what their
education level is. In fact, I would say the more educated a person
is, the more they are likely to lack real social intelligence and
therefore more more prone to be taken in by cult leaders types.
You can manipulate just about anyone with a false promises which play
on their insecurities, and then later paranoia.
Even after 48 hours I'm still very troubled by the programme.
I would not be surprised if any of the eco-projects around the world
don't end up like Jonestown. Watching the Jonestown story at the
begining it was just like these "sustainable" communities with
socialist ideals we see springing up all over with civil servants and
other middle-class easily manipulated types being controlled as soon
as their dream starts to wobble.
The whole Global Warming crowd are all potential Jonestowns in the
making.
If you listen to how Al Gore slowly and patronisingly speaks on TV or
in public, and then Jim Jones at Jonestown on the speaker system. It
is spine-chilling.
There is a big difference. Global Warning has one hell of a lot of
science to back it up. Jim Jones just had his own warped god.
What the programme did was to show how really stupid religion is.
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Bob.
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| User: "Mark K. Bilbo" |
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| Title: Re: Is Global Warming the Global Jonestown? |
29 Jan 2008 03:00:19 PM |
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On Tue, 29 Jan 2008 07:53:42 -0800 in
e1487049-f1ec-4d79-a0bb-d556673fb9b1@y5g2000hsf.googlegroups.com, Thomas
<kfuzzbox@tinet.ie> wrote:
So much of the same psychological dynamic at Jonestown, you can clearly
see it again with the Al Gore/AGW folks.
Well, there went your credibility...
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Mark K. Bilbo a.a. #1423
EAC Department of Linguistic Subversion
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At a recent PTL convention, the hotel reported that over 80%
of the conventionites watched at least one x-rated movie on
the hotel's ppv cable...
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| User: "Thomas" |
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| Title: Re: Is Global Warming the Global Jonestown? |
29 Jan 2008 05:48:33 PM |
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Like the Global Warming the henchmen in Jonestown (and all other
cults) was white, suburban, middle-class, college educated idealists
who were cultivated from the Hippy movement in San Francisco while
Jones was based there.
The profile of the average climate activist is the same as the average
cult member in Western societies. ie: white, suburban, middle-class,
college educated idealist.
More interestingly, and tragic (but equally typically) is that these
white kids whom Jim Jones recruited were walking around San Francisco
going on about "peace love, understanding and getting back to nature
and away from 'the Man'. These same white, suburban, middle-class,
college educated idealists last act on this earth was to slaughter
hundreds of poor inner-city African Americans with poisioned Kool-Aid
made by "the Man'.
It is quite possible, that Jim Jones eco-socialist, organic veg
growing white, suburban, middle-class, college educated idealists
slaughtered more African-Americans in a couple of hours than the KKK
did in a century. Likewise climate activist are trying to stop people
in the third world for enjoying a white, suburban, middle-class,
college educated idealists lifestyle.
Ironic isn't it.
The same people who go around looking for an ideal world, are always
driven by a deep rooted need to control others. Be it though statutory
enforcements, cults and as seen at Jonestown, mass murder in order to
maintain their self-delusion as saviours of others. Hence why so many
civil servants tend to involved in these "climate crisis"
organisations they form.
Like I said, only matter of time before we hear about a mass murder at
some eco-sustainable project populated by white, suburban, middle-
class, college educated idealists. Cults always end up like this.
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| User: "Mark K. Bilbo" |
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| Title: Re: Is Global Warming the Global Jonestown? |
29 Jan 2008 05:57:15 PM |
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On Tue, 29 Jan 2008 15:48:33 -0800 in
9a289d82-651d-44b2-913f-904810d9f464@u10g2000prn.googlegroups.com, Thomas
<kfuzzbox@tinet.ie> wrote:
Like the Global Warming<SNIP>
Global warming is science.
Just because you're mad at Al Gore doesn't change that.
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Mark K. Bilbo a.a. #1423
EAC Department of Linguistic Subversion
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Fundamentalism means never having to say "I'm wrong."
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| User: "Thomas" |
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| Title: Re: Is Global Warming the Global Jonestown? |
29 Jan 2008 06:25:36 PM |
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On Jan 29, 11:57 pm, "Mark K. Bilbo" <gm...@com.mkbilbo> wrote:
Global warming is science.
So was eugenics.
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| User: "Mark K. Bilbo" |
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| Title: Re: Is Global Warming the Global Jonestown? |
30 Jan 2008 07:08:01 AM |
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On Tue, 29 Jan 2008 16:25:36 -0800 in
490ceb2a-c91e-43fb-bbe0-bfc81656946d@q39g2000hsf.googlegroups.com, Thomas
<kfuzzbox@tinet.ie> wrote:
On Jan 29, 11:57 pm, "Mark K. Bilbo" <gm...@com.mkbilbo> wrote:
Global warming is science.
So was eugenics.
Oh my, argument by absurd smears, that's persuasive.
(Yawn)
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Mark K. Bilbo a.a. #1423
EAC Department of Linguistic Subversion
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“To die for an idea; it is unquestionably noble.
But how much nobler it would be if men died for
ideas that were true!”
- H. L. Mencken
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| User: "Thomas" |
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| Title: Re: Is Global Warming the Global Jonestown? |
30 Jan 2008 07:48:34 AM |
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On Jan 30, 1:08=A0pm, "Mark K. Bilbo" <gm...@com.mkbilbo> wrote:
On Tue, 29 Jan 2008 16:25:36 -0800 in
490ceb2a-c91e-43fb-bbe0-bfc816569...@q39g2000hsf.googlegroups.com, Thomas
<kfuzz...@tinet.ie> wrote:
On Jan 29, 11:57 pm, "Mark K. Bilbo" <gm...@com.mkbilbo> wrote:
Global warming is science.
So was eugenics.
Oh my, argument by absurd smears, that's persuasive.
Eugenics was a real scientific movement completely accepted by the
entire scientific world in its day. It was the "concensus" at the
time, and lo and behold there is a movement within AGW called the
Optimum Population Trust composed of scientists who are demanding that
humans be prevented from breeding accroding to their potential carbon
footprint. The comparision with eugenics is 100% valid.
That's not any different that the old Eurgenics scientists demanding
that genentic defects be removed from the bloodines in order to serve
the common good.
Different brand of science, same fuckwit meglomanic scientists out of
control. AGW in time will prove itself to be the biggest own goal for
science since Eurgenics. .
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| User: "Cary Kittrell" |
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| Title: Re: Is Global Warming the Global Jonestown? |
30 Jan 2008 07:54:32 PM |
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In article <5fe58c6d-abd0-42ab-ac99-a00db93c022d@v46g2000hsv.googlegroups.com> Thomas <kfuzzbox@tinet.ie> writes:
On Jan 30, 1:08=A0pm, "Mark K. Bilbo" <gm...@com.mkbilbo> wrote:
On Tue, 29 Jan 2008 16:25:36 -0800 in
490ceb2a-c91e-43fb-bbe0-bfc816569...@q39g2000hsf.googlegroups.com, Thomas
<kfuzz...@tinet.ie> wrote:
On Jan 29, 11:57 pm, "Mark K. Bilbo" <gm...@com.mkbilbo> wrote:
Global warming is science.
So was eugenics.
Oh my, argument by absurd smears, that's persuasive.
Eugenics was a real scientific movement completely accepted by the
entire scientific world in its day.
Still is. I don't know of anyone who is against genetic counseling
of couples who have some probability of producing kids with
genetic defects. Think Tay-Sachs.
Forced eugenics, on the other hand, is a political and
social decision, and has nothing more to do with
scientific consensus than the use of chlorine gas
in WWI implied the support of all chemists.
-- cary
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| User: "Wexford" |
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| Title: Re: Is Global Warming the Global Jonestown? |
31 Jan 2008 10:45:46 AM |
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On Jan 30, 8:54=A0pm, (Cary Kittrell) wrote:
In article <5fe58c6d-abd0-42ab-ac99-a00db93c0...@v46g2000hsv.googlegroups.=
com> Thomas <kfuzz...@tinet.ie> writes:
On Jan 30, 1:08=3DA0pm, "Mark K. Bilbo" <gm...@com.mkbilbo> wrote:
On Tue, 29 Jan 2008 16:25:36 -0800 in
490ceb2a-c91e-43fb-bbe0-bfc816569...@q39g2000hsf.googlegroups.com, Tho=
mas
<kfuzz...@tinet.ie> wrote:
On Jan 29, 11:57 pm, "Mark K. Bilbo" <gm...@com.mkbilbo> wrote:
Global warming is science.
So was eugenics.
Oh my, argument by absurd smears, that's persuasive.
Eugenics was a real scientific movement completely accepted by the
entire scientific world in its day.
?????
Still is. =A0I don't know of anyone who is against genetic counseling
of couples who have some probability of producing kids with
genetic defects. =A0Think Tay-Sachs.
Genetic counseling isn't Eugenics. Warning individuals about the
possibility of Tay-Sachs, or any of a hundred other potential
hereditary disorders, is simply practicing good medicine. Eugenics is
a crackpot movement that fosters improvement of the human race through
selective breeding.
Forced eugenics, on the other hand, is a political and
social decision, and has nothing more to do with
scientific consensus than the use of chlorine gas
in WWI implied the support of all chemists.
It's a political and social delusion. Even in its heyday, thoughtful
scientists opposed Eugenics (even in Hitler's Germany) with the
pragmatic argument that restricting the reproduction of the mentally
retarded might create more social problems than it solves. Without
people of lower intellectual ability there would be no one to do the
necessary dirty jobs that keep a city running or a farming community
viable.
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| User: "Bawana" |
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| Title: Re: Is Global Warming the Global Jonestown? |
31 Jan 2008 11:26:08 AM |
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On Jan 31, 11:45 am, Wexford <wrya...@gmail.com> wrote:
Without
people of lower intellectual ability there would be no one to do the
necessary dirty jobs that keep a city running or a farming community
viable.
Or to vote demonkrap.
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| User: "DanielSan" |
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| Title: Re: Is Global Warming the Global Jonestown? |
31 Jan 2008 11:33:24 AM |
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Bawana said the following on 1/31/2008 9:26 AM:
On Jan 31, 11:45 am, Wexford <wrya...@gmail.com> wrote:
Without
people of lower intellectual ability there would be no one to do the
necessary dirty jobs that keep a city running or a farming community
viable.
Or to vote demonkrap.
Trying to horn in on the "lower intellectual ability" crowd there, Bawana?
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