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Religions > Atheism |
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"Bill M" |
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15 Oct 2006 10:09:07 AM |
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IS GOD CRUEL? |
The god tale is so utterly ridiculous that I wonder why and how it survives.
God supposedly created the Universe, the World and everything in it.
Why did he create it so defective and punishing? Humans are born with
numerous defects and tortured by 12,000 known diseases and worldly
catastrophes during their lives and programmed to suffer and die a miserable
old age?
In this world supposedly created by this all powerful all loving god, we
have Plagues, Tsunamis, Tornadoes, Volcanic Eruptions, Earth Quakes, Wars,
Cancers and hundreds of debilitating diseases, serious body malfunctions and
starvation exist that torture mankind.? There are 12,000 known ailments and
diseases that torture and kill man. A similar number torture and plaque the
rest of the animal kingdom. Thousands of destructive diseases affect the
plant kingdom. Why would an all powerful god create all these diseases to
torture and kill his creations??? These catastrophes affect people of ALL
and NO religious beliefs including TOTALLY INNOCENT CHILDREN! In addition
he punishes totally innocent animals in similar fashion!
Now the excuse for this is that Adam and Eve ate some forbidden fruit from
the Garden of Eden as a result of being tempted by Satan in the form of a
snake. Why did god create or permit Satan to even exist? Why did he permit
Satan to tempt Adam and Eve to commit this minor transgression? Why didn't
he just punish Satan?
When I was a youth I stole some pears from a neighbor's tree. When I was
caught, my parents punished me by requiring that I cut the neighbor's lawn
and haul his trash for two weeks. Both the neighbor and my parents thought
this was an appropriate punishment for this rather minor crime.
But because Adam and Eve committed a similar crime, this all loving god
condemned them and ALL of their progeny to a hell on earth for the next
100,000 and more years.
Is this the action of an all powerful and LOVING god???
If he actually exists, this god is surely a mean, cruel and spiteful thing
isn't he?
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| User: "1st Lt. Hanley" |
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23 Nov 2006 05:09:17 PM |
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"Bill M" <wmech@bellsouth.net> wrote in message
news:pasYg.28644$zF5.6412@bignews1.bellsouth.net...
The god tale is so utterly ridiculous that I wonder why and how it
survives.
God supposedly created the Universe, the World and everything in it.
Why did he create it so defective and punishing? Humans are born with
numerous defects and tortured by 12,000 known diseases and worldly
catastrophes during their lives and programmed to suffer and die a
miserable old age?
In this world supposedly created by this all powerful all loving god, we
have Plagues, Tsunamis, Tornadoes, Volcanic Eruptions, Earth Quakes,
Wars, Cancers and hundreds of debilitating diseases, serious body
malfunctions and starvation exist that torture mankind.? There are 12,000
known ailments and diseases that torture and kill man. A similar number
torture and plaque the rest of the animal kingdom. Thousands of
destructive diseases affect the plant kingdom. Why would an all powerful
god create all these diseases to torture and kill his creations??? These
catastrophes affect people of ALL and NO religious beliefs including
TOTALLY INNOCENT CHILDREN! In addition he punishes totally innocent
animals in similar fashion!
Now the excuse for this is that Adam and Eve ate some forbidden fruit from
the Garden of Eden as a result of being tempted by Satan in the form of a
snake. Why did god create or permit Satan to even exist? Why did he permit
Satan to tempt Adam and Eve to commit this minor transgression? Why didn't
he just punish Satan?
When I was a youth I stole some pears from a neighbor's tree. When I was
caught, my parents punished me by requiring that I cut the neighbor's lawn
and haul his trash for two weeks. Both the neighbor and my parents thought
this was an appropriate punishment for this rather minor crime.
But because Adam and Eve committed a similar crime, this all loving god
condemned them and ALL of their progeny to a hell on earth for the next
100,000 and more years.
Is this the action of an all powerful and LOVING god???
If he actually exists, this god is surely a mean, cruel and spiteful thing
isn't he?
Oh..I am sorry..havn't you heard ....we are really in HELL.
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| User: "Azure" |
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27 Nov 2006 09:46:28 PM |
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"1st Lt. Hanley" wrote:
"Bill M" <wmech@bellsouth.net> wrote in message
news:pasYg.28644$zF5.6412@bignews1.bellsouth.net...
The god tale is so utterly ridiculous that I wonder why and how it
survives.
God supposedly created the Universe, the World and everything in it.
Why did he create it so defective and punishing? Humans are born with
numerous defects and tortured by 12,000 known diseases and worldly
catastrophes during their lives and programmed to suffer and die a
miserable old age?
In this world supposedly created by this all powerful all loving god, we
have Plagues, Tsunamis, Tornadoes, Volcanic Eruptions, Earth Quakes,
Wars, Cancers and hundreds of debilitating diseases, serious body
malfunctions and starvation exist that torture mankind.? There are 12,000
known ailments and diseases that torture and kill man. A similar number
torture and plaque the rest of the animal kingdom. Thousands of
destructive diseases affect the plant kingdom. Why would an all powerful
god create all these diseases to torture and kill his creations??? These
catastrophes affect people of ALL and NO religious beliefs including
TOTALLY INNOCENT CHILDREN! In addition he punishes totally innocent
animals in similar fashion!
Now the excuse for this is that Adam and Eve ate some forbidden fruit from
the Garden of Eden as a result of being tempted by Satan in the form of a
snake. Why did god create or permit Satan to even exist? Why did he permit
Satan to tempt Adam and Eve to commit this minor transgression? Why didn't
he just punish Satan?
When I was a youth I stole some pears from a neighbor's tree. When I was
caught, my parents punished me by requiring that I cut the neighbor's lawn
and haul his trash for two weeks. Both the neighbor and my parents thought
this was an appropriate punishment for this rather minor crime.
But because Adam and Eve committed a similar crime, this all loving god
condemned them and ALL of their progeny to a hell on earth for the next
100,000 and more years.
Is this the action of an all powerful and LOVING god???
If he actually exists, this god is surely a mean, cruel and spiteful thing
isn't he?
Oh..I am sorry..havn't you heard ....we are really in HELL.
Yes, this is purgatory, the place where you study to become ready to take the
next step.
God, like most children makes mistakes.
Evolution is Growing.
If there is no Growth, there is but stagnation and death.
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| User: "thomas p." |
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28 Nov 2006 03:54:37 AM |
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Azure skrev:
"1st Lt. Hanley" wrote:
snip
Yes, this is purgatory, the place where you study to become ready to take the
next step.
God, like most children makes mistakes.
Evolution is Growing.
If there is no Growth, there is but stagnation and death.
Being able to make it up as one goes along is a great advantage.
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| User: "Dichard Rawkins" |
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15 Oct 2006 04:15:08 PM |
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Bill M <wmech@bellsouth.net> wrote in message
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God supposedly created the Universe, the World and everything in it.
And judging from the state of the universe that makes him either incompetent or
cruel, or both. It definitely rules out loving.
--
***Free Your Mind***
Posted with JSNewsreader Preview 0.9.4.2896
[ Followup-To: alt.religion.christian ]
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| User: "Richo" |
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15 Oct 2006 06:26:51 PM |
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Bill M wrote:
The god tale is so utterly ridiculous that I wonder why and how it survives.
<snip>
God is a pretty nasty god - but there have been others equally nasty
and equaly sincerely believed in.
The bloodthirsty gods of the Aztec for example - which were thought to
demand blood sacrifice.
The roots of belief in Deity are deep and complex.
Humans have an inate susceptability to belief in "unseen forces" that
influence or control the percievable world. Some of us are more
susceptable than others some of us have trined and stimulated the
"doubting" part of our minds..
The noble quest for enlightenment is to understand and overcome these
primative urges - the "dark side" is to give in to them or enven worse
exploit them to gain personal power.
"The gods are believed by the masses, doubted by the wise and
considered useful by the powerful"
Mark.
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| User: "Christopher A. Lee" |
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15 Oct 2006 06:36:46 PM |
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On 15 Oct 2006 16:26:51 -0700, "Richo" <m.richardson@utas.edu.au>
wrote:
Bill M wrote:
The god tale is so utterly ridiculous that I wonder why and how it survives.
<snip>
God is a pretty nasty god - but there have been others equally nasty
and equaly sincerely believed in.
The bloodthirsty gods of the Aztec for example - which were thought to
demand blood sacrifice.
The roots of belief in Deity are deep and complex.
Humans have an inate susceptability to belief in "unseen forces" that
influence or control the percievable world. Some of us are more
susceptable than others some of us have trined and stimulated the
"doubting" part of our minds..
The noble quest for enlightenment is to understand and overcome these
primative urges - the "dark side" is to give in to them or enven worse
exploit them to gain personal power.
"The gods are believed by the masses, doubted by the wise and
considered useful by the powerful"
Seneca, the Roman statesman, writer and philosopher who lived 5 BCE to
65 CE.
Which shows the fundies that atheism is nothing new.
Mark.
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| User: "tui.tewhaiti" |
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15 Oct 2006 07:21:04 PM |
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Good Afternoon
It is Monday 16th October 2006
Time is 13:10
The weather in New Zealand is Not too Gold / Not too Hot ( Very much how it
was in the Garden of Eden I would imagine )
If you want to know where New Zealand is Look for Australia ( Known as the
country Down under )
We are Just south of that
We are known as GODS OWN COUNTRY
Free of Tsunamis, Tornadoes,Wars,
Which is why we Believe that Our ALMIGHTY GOD is just that ALMIGHTY
"Bill M" <wmech@bellsouth.net> wrote in message
news:pasYg.28644$zF5.6412@bignews1.bellsouth.net...
The god tale is so utterly ridiculous that I wonder why and how it
survives.
God supposedly created the Universe, the World and everything in it.
Why did he create it so defective and punishing? Humans are born with
numerous defects and tortured by 12,000 known diseases and worldly
catastrophes during their lives and programmed to suffer and die a
miserable old age?
In this world supposedly created by this all powerful all loving god, we
have Plagues, Tsunamis, Tornadoes, Volcanic Eruptions, Earth Quakes,
Wars, Cancers and hundreds of debilitating diseases, serious body
malfunctions and starvation exist that torture mankind.? There are 12,000
known ailments and diseases that torture and kill man. A similar number
torture and plaque the rest of the animal kingdom. Thousands of
destructive diseases affect the plant kingdom. Why would an all powerful
god create all these diseases to torture and kill his creations??? These
catastrophes affect people of ALL and NO religious beliefs including
TOTALLY INNOCENT CHILDREN! In addition he punishes totally innocent
animals in similar fashion!
Now the excuse for this is that Adam and Eve ate some forbidden fruit from
the Garden of Eden as a result of being tempted by Satan in the form of a
snake. Why did god create or permit Satan to even exist? Why did he permit
Satan to tempt Adam and Eve to commit this minor transgression? Why didn't
he just punish Satan?
When I was a youth I stole some pears from a neighbor's tree. When I was
caught, my parents punished me by requiring that I cut the neighbor's lawn
and haul his trash for two weeks. Both the neighbor and my parents thought
this was an appropriate punishment for this rather minor crime.
But because Adam and Eve committed a similar crime, this all loving god
condemned them and ALL of their progeny to a hell on earth for the next
100,000 and more years.
Is this the action of an all powerful and LOVING god???
If he actually exists, this god is surely a mean, cruel and spiteful thing
isn't he?
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| User: "1st Lt. Hanley" |
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23 Nov 2006 05:14:38 PM |
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"tui.tewhaiti" <tui.tewhaiti@slingshot.co.nz> wrote in message
news:1160957842.638119@ftpsrv1...
Good Afternoon
It is Monday 16th October 2006
Time is 13:10
The weather in New Zealand is Not too Gold / Not too Hot ( Very much how
it was in the Garden of Eden I would imagine )
If you want to know where New Zealand is Look for Australia ( Known as the
country Down under )
We are Just south of that
We are known as GODS OWN COUNTRY
Free of Tsunamis, Tornadoes,Wars,
Which is why we Believe that Our ALMIGHTY GOD is just that ALMIGHTY
Almighty for some...tell that to the people suffering in the scorched
desserts of Africa where you can't even grow a potatoe. Its so bad the
animals are even starving.
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| User: "Azure" |
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27 Nov 2006 09:55:33 PM |
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"1st Lt. Hanley" wrote:
"tui.tewhaiti" <tui.tewhaiti@slingshot.co.nz> wrote in message
news:1160957842.638119@ftpsrv1...
Good Afternoon
It is Monday 16th October 2006
Time is 13:10
The weather in New Zealand is Not too Gold / Not too Hot ( Very much how
it was in the Garden of Eden I would imagine )
If you want to know where New Zealand is Look for Australia ( Known as the
country Down under )
We are Just south of that
We are known as GODS OWN COUNTRY
Free of Tsunamis, Tornadoes,Wars,
Which is why we Believe that Our ALMIGHTY GOD is just that ALMIGHTY
Almighty for some...tell that to the people suffering in the scorched
desserts of Africa where you can't even grow a potatoe. Its so bad the
animals are even starving.
Yet they unlike you prey to God for Help.
You sit blaming God for what God is doing to them.
WHY?
If they do not care and intend to keep believing in GOD.
Why do you have any right to fault GOD for what is happening to them.
If you feel it is necessary to do something about it, then do something.
Don't just sit there blaming God for what Man does on earth.
God gave laws, Man refuses to follow them.
It is not Gods Fault.
God could wipe the Earth but chooses not to.
Why should all suffer to make you happy.
Instead why don't "YOU" get up off your lazy ***** and make a change in the
travesty we call society.
Get people like the Oil Barons to start helping the people instead of finding
further ways to line their pockets.
Poverty exists because we allow Islands of Wealth.
Such Islands no longer carry the teachings of the Gods, rather are all about
self these days.
It is not the Body "Allowing Such" rather it is man forcing such.
Blame Man, don't blame God for Mans conduct.
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| User: "Robibnikoff" |
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28 Nov 2006 11:45:54 AM |
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"Azure" <tain@pharae.org> wrote in message
news:456BB335.38268863@pharae.org...
"1st Lt. Hanley" wrote:
"tui.tewhaiti" <tui.tewhaiti@slingshot.co.nz> wrote in message
news:1160957842.638119@ftpsrv1...
Good Afternoon
It is Monday 16th October 2006
Time is 13:10
The weather in New Zealand is Not too Gold / Not too Hot ( Very much
how
it was in the Garden of Eden I would imagine )
If you want to know where New Zealand is Look for Australia ( Known as
the
country Down under )
We are Just south of that
We are known as GODS OWN COUNTRY
Free of Tsunamis, Tornadoes,Wars,
Which is why we Believe that Our ALMIGHTY GOD is just that ALMIGHTY
Almighty for some...tell that to the people suffering in the scorched
desserts of Africa where you can't even grow a potatoe. Its so bad the
animals are even starving.
Yet they unlike you prey to God for Help.
LOL - Freudian slip?
--
Robyn
Resident Witchypoo
#1557
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| User: "thomas p." |
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28 Nov 2006 03:56:39 AM |
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Azure skrev:
"1st Lt. Hanley" wrote:
"tui.tewhaiti" <tui.tewhaiti@slingshot.co.nz> wrote in message
news:1160957842.638119@ftpsrv1...
Good Afternoon
It is Monday 16th October 2006
Time is 13:10
The weather in New Zealand is Not too Gold / Not too Hot ( Very much how
it was in the Garden of Eden I would imagine )
If you want to know where New Zealand is Look for Australia ( Known as the
country Down under )
We are Just south of that
We are known as GODS OWN COUNTRY
Free of Tsunamis, Tornadoes,Wars,
Which is why we Believe that Our ALMIGHTY GOD is just that ALMIGHTY
Almighty for some...tell that to the people suffering in the scorched
desserts of Africa where you can't even grow a potatoe. Its so bad the
animals are even starving.
Yet they unlike you prey to God for Help.
You sit blaming God for what God is doing to them.
WHY?
Why do you misrepresent what is being said? Is it because strawmen are
easier to attack?
snip
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| User: "Al Klein" |
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15 Oct 2006 10:04:32 PM |
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On Mon, 16 Oct 2006 13:21:04 +1300, "tui.tewhaiti"
<tui.tewhaiti@slingshot.co.nz> wrote:
Which is why we Believe that Our ALMIGHTY GOD is just that ALMIGHTY
That's nice. Now go play and leave the grownups alone, there's a good
child.
--
rukbat at optonline dot net
"Every sensible man, every honest man, must hold the christian sect in horror. 'But what
shall we substitute in its place?' you say. What? A ferocious animal has sucked the
blood of my relatives. I tell you to rid yourselves of this beast and you ask me what
you shall put in its place?" - Voltaire
(random sig, produced by SigChanger)
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| User: "Pastor Frank" |
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16 Oct 2006 08:10:21 PM |
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"Al Klein" <rukbat@pern.invalid> wrote in message
news:rkt5j29oemdli1rvq3dbmvrtji637n3qca@4ax.com...
On Mon, 16 Oct 2006 13:21:04 +1300, "tui.tewhaiti"
<tui.tewhaiti@slingshot.co.nz> wrote:
Which is why we Believe that Our ALMIGHTY GOD is just that ALMIGHTY
That's nice. Now go play and leave the grownups alone, there's a good
child.
LOL Still busy proving yourself perceptually and philosophically
challenged? God is sufficiently almighty to lay aside His powers and become
vulnerable man, as in the case of Jesus Christ..
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| User: "The Chief Instigator" |
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17 Oct 2006 08:24:40 AM |
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"Pastor Frank" <PastorFrank@christfirst.org> writes:
"Al Klein" <rukbat@pern.invalid> wrote in message
news:rkt5j29oemdli1rvq3dbmvrtji637n3qca@4ax.com...
On Mon, 16 Oct 2006 13:21:04 +1300, "tui.tewhaiti"
<tui.tewhaiti@slingshot.co.nz> wrote:
Which is why we Believe that Our ALMIGHTY GOD is just that ALMIGHTY
That's nice. Now go play and leave the grownups alone, there's a good
child.
LOL Still busy proving yourself perceptually and philosophically
challenged? God is sufficiently almighty to lay aside His powers and become
vulnerable man, as in the case of Jesus Christ..
Big bluster from a pretentious kook who thinks he's a pastor - and apparently
believes that you don't have to think if "God" doesn't approve of it. I'll
stick with questioning everything.
--
Patrick "The Chief Instigator" Humphrey (patrick@io.com) Houston, Texas
chiefinstigator.us.tt/aeros.php (TCI's 2006-07 Houston Aeros)
LAST GAME: San Antonio 5, Houston 4 (SO) (October 15)
NEXT GAME: Friday, October 20 at Grand Rapids, 6:05
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| User: "bob young" |
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20 Oct 2006 01:29:01 AM |
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The Chief Instigator wrote:
"Pastor Frank" <PastorFrank@christfirst.org> writes:
"Al Klein" <rukbat@pern.invalid> wrote in message
news:rkt5j29oemdli1rvq3dbmvrtji637n3qca@4ax.com...
On Mon, 16 Oct 2006 13:21:04 +1300, "tui.tewhaiti"
<tui.tewhaiti@slingshot.co.nz> wrote:
Which is why we Believe that Our ALMIGHTY GOD is just that ALMIGHTY
That's nice. Now go play and leave the grownups alone, there's a good
child.
LOL Still busy proving yourself perceptually and philosophically
challenged? God is sufficiently almighty to lay aside His powers and become
vulnerable man, as in the case of Jesus Christ..
Big bluster from a pretentious kook who thinks he's a pastor - and apparently
believes that you don't have to think if "God" doesn't approve of it. I'll
stick with questioning everything.
That would be one heluva straightforward thing to do.
bob
humanist Brit.
The greatest tragedy in mankind's entire history may be the hijacking of
morality by religion. However valuable - even necessary - that may have
been in enforcing good behavior on primitive peoples, their association
is now counterproductive. Yet at the very moment when they should be
decoupled, sanctimonious nitwits are calling for a return to morals
based on superstition.
[Arthur C. Clarke]
--
Patrick "The Chief Instigator" Humphrey (patrick@io.com) Houston, Texas
chiefinstigator.us.tt/aeros.php (TCI's 2006-07 Houston Aeros)
LAST GAME: San Antonio 5, Houston 4 (SO) (October 15)
NEXT GAME: Friday, October 20 at Grand Rapids, 6:05
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| User: "Barry OGrady" |
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19 Dec 2006 08:44:13 PM |
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On Mon, 16 Oct 2006 21:10:21 -0400, "Pastor Frank" <PastorFrank@christfirst.org> wrote:
"Al Klein" <rukbat@pern.invalid> wrote in message
news:rkt5j29oemdli1rvq3dbmvrtji637n3qca@4ax.com...
On Mon, 16 Oct 2006 13:21:04 +1300, "tui.tewhaiti"
<tui.tewhaiti@slingshot.co.nz> wrote:
Which is why we Believe that Our ALMIGHTY GOD is just that ALMIGHTY
That's nice. Now go play and leave the grownups alone, there's a good
child.
LOL Still busy proving yourself perceptually and philosophically
challenged? God is sufficiently almighty to lay aside His powers and become
vulnerable man, as in the case of Jesus Christ..
But is it stupid enough to do that?
Barry
=====
Home page
http://members.iinet.net.au/~barry.og
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| User: "bob young" |
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20 Oct 2006 01:25:01 AM |
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Pastor Frank wrote:
"Al Klein" <rukbat@pern.invalid> wrote in message
news:rkt5j29oemdli1rvq3dbmvrtji637n3qca@4ax.com...
On Mon, 16 Oct 2006 13:21:04 +1300, "tui.tewhaiti"
<tui.tewhaiti@slingshot.co.nz> wrote:
Which is why we Believe that Our ALMIGHTY GOD is just that ALMIGHTY
That's nice. Now go play and leave the grownups alone, there's a good
child.
LOL Still busy proving yourself perceptually and philosophically
challenged? God is sufficiently almighty to lay aside His powers and become
vulnerable man, as in the case of Jesus Christ..
Don't tell me Frank.............He........... is........... 'You' ?
! ???? WOW !
Nothing new though,
after all we made Him in the first place
and we have been manipulating 'Him' ever since
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| User: "Hatter" |
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16 Oct 2006 08:06:25 AM |
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tui.tewhaiti wrote:
Good Afternoon
It is Monday 16th October 2006
Time is 13:10
The weather in New Zealand is Not too Gold / Not too Hot ( Very much how it
was in the Garden of Eden I would imagine )
If you want to know where New Zealand is Look for Australia ( Known as the
country Down under )
We are Just south of that
We are known as GODS OWN COUNTRY
Free of Tsunamis, Tornadoes,Wars,
Which is why we Believe that Our ALMIGHTY GOD is just that ALMIGHTY
So you have amputees, still births, and cancer?....you bet you do. Do
these happen amoungst the faithful? You bet they do.
Are you delesional? I bet you are.
Hatter
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| User: "Pastor Frank" |
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18 Oct 2006 12:38:57 AM |
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"Hatter" <Hatter23@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:1161003985.026725.87600@h48g2000cwc.googlegroups.com...
tui.tewhaiti wrote:
Good Afternoon
It is Monday 16th October 2006
Time is 13:10
The weather in New Zealand is Not too Gold / Not too Hot ( Very much how
it
was in the Garden of Eden I would imagine )
If you want to know where New Zealand is Look for Australia ( Known as
the
country Down under )
We are Just south of that
We are known as GODS OWN COUNTRY
Free of Tsunamis, Tornadoes,Wars,
Which is why we Believe that Our ALMIGHTY GOD is just that ALMIGHTY
So you have amputees, still births, and cancer?....you bet you do. Do
these happen amoungst the faithful? You bet they do.
Are you delusional? I bet you are.
Hatter
To always look for and find what is wrong, is the focus of Satan, for
Satan wants people depressed and looking for death and oblivion. (See below)
That is why the hymn says: "Count your blessing one by one". For if there
was nothing wrong, ever, there would be no need to look for (anything), nor
would there be any joy in finding (blessings).
Aren't you glad that most of us are not "amputees", did survive birth and
have no "cancer", as well as are not "delusional" about that obvious fact?
Pastor Frank
Jesus in Mt:8:12: But the children of Satan's kingdom shall be cast into
outer darkness: There shall be wailing (of interminable complaints and
accusations) and the gnashing of teeth (in frustration and impotent rage).
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| Title: Re: IS GOD CRUEL AND SATAN KIND? |
18 Oct 2006 05:54:02 AM |
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Pastor Frank wrote:
"Hatter" <Hatter23@gmail.com> wrote in message
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tui.tewhaiti wrote:
Good Afternoon
It is Monday 16th October 2006
Time is 13:10
The weather in New Zealand is Not too Gold / Not too Hot ( Very much how
it
was in the Garden of Eden I would imagine )
If you want to know where New Zealand is Look for Australia ( Known as
the
country Down under )
We are Just south of that
We are known as GODS OWN COUNTRY
Free of Tsunamis, Tornadoes,Wars,
Which is why we Believe that Our ALMIGHTY GOD is just that ALMIGHTY
So you have amputees, still births, and cancer?....you bet you do. Do
these happen amoungst the faithful? You bet they do.
Are you delusional? I bet you are.
Hatter
To always look for and find what is wrong, is the focus of Satan,
Already invoking fairy tales right out of the gate. Already "knowing"
what is in the mind of a fictional entity without conversing with it or
having anything that says that.
You lost everyone with an ounce of sense in the first sentence.
Hatter
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| User: "bob young" |
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| Title: Re: IS GOD CRUEL AND SATAN KIND? |
22 Oct 2006 06:07:01 AM |
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Pastor Frank wrote:
"Hatter" <Hatter23@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:1161003985.026725.87600@h48g2000cwc.googlegroups.com...
tui.tewhaiti wrote:
Good Afternoon
It is Monday 16th October 2006
Time is 13:10
The weather in New Zealand is Not too Gold / Not too Hot ( Very much how
it
was in the Garden of Eden I would imagine )
If you want to know where New Zealand is Look for Australia ( Known as
the
country Down under )
We are Just south of that
We are known as GODS OWN COUNTRY
Free of Tsunamis, Tornadoes,Wars,
Which is why we Believe that Our ALMIGHTY GOD is just that ALMIGHTY
So you have amputees, still births, and cancer?....you bet you do. Do
these happen amoungst the faithful? You bet they do.
Are you delusional? I bet you are.
Hatter
To always look for and find what is wrong, is the focus of Satan,
You buffoon - Satan is a myth same as all the gods.
Grow up
for
Satan wants people depressed and looking for death and oblivion. (See below)
That is why the hymn says: "Count your blessing one by one". For if there
was nothing wrong, ever, there would be no need to look for (anything), nor
would there be any joy in finding (blessings).
Aren't you glad that most of us are not "amputees", did survive birth and
have no "cancer", as well as are not "delusional" about that obvious fact?
Pastor Frank
Jesus in Mt:8:12: But the children of Satan's kingdom shall be cast into
outer darkness: There shall be wailing (of interminable complaints and
accusations) and the gnashing of teeth (in frustration and impotent rage).
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| User: "Al Klein" |
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| Title: Re: IS GOD CRUEL? |
15 Oct 2006 02:01:24 PM |
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On Sun, 15 Oct 2006 11:09:07 -0400, "Bill M" <wmech@bellsouth.net>
wrote:
When I was a youth I stole some pears from a neighbor's tree. When I was
caught, my parents punished me by requiring that I cut the neighbor's lawn
and haul his trash for two weeks. Both the neighbor and my parents thought
this was an appropriate punishment for this rather minor crime.
But because Adam and Eve committed a similar crime, this all loving god
condemned them and ALL of their progeny to a hell on earth for the next
100,000 and more years.
How else do you explain the world to a horde who will tear you to
pieces if you tell them that it's just the way things are and they'll
have to live with it?
--
rukbat at optonline dot net
"If this were a dictatorship, it'd be a heck of a lot easier, just so
long as I'm the dictator."
- G W Bush (Washington, D.C., Dec. 19, 2000)
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| User: "Pastor Frank" |
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| Title: Re: IS GOD CRUEL? |
16 Oct 2006 01:59:02 AM |
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"Al Klein" <rukbat@pern.invalid> wrote in message
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On Sun, 15 Oct 2006 11:09:07 -0400, "Bill M" <wmech@bellsouth.net>
wrote:
When I was a youth I stole some pears from a neighbor's tree. When I was
caught, my parents punished me by requiring that I cut the neighbor's lawn
and haul his trash for two weeks. Both the neighbor and my parents thought
this was an appropriate punishment for this rather minor crime.
But because Adam and Eve committed a similar crime,
The did not. They partook from the fruit (tasted the results) of the
knowledge of good and evil and became judgmental and opinionated gossipers
as a result.
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| User: "drax" |
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| Title: Re: IS GOD CRUEL? |
16 Oct 2006 10:02:31 AM |
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"Pastor Frank" <PastorFrank@christfirst.org> wrote in message
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"Al Klein" <rukbat@pern.invalid> wrote in message
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On Sun, 15 Oct 2006 11:09:07 -0400, "Bill M" <wmech@bellsouth.net>
wrote:
When I was a youth I stole some pears from a neighbor's tree. When I was
caught, my parents punished me by requiring that I cut the neighbor's
lawn
and haul his trash for two weeks. Both the neighbor and my parents
thought
this was an appropriate punishment for this rather minor crime.
But because Adam and Eve committed a similar crime,
The did not. They partook from the fruit (tasted the results) of the
knowledge of good and evil and became judgmental and opinionated gossipers
as a result.
Who, exactly, do you suppose they gossiped to?
drax
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| User: "Pastor Frank" |
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| Title: Re: IS GOD CRUEL? |
18 Oct 2006 01:08:01 AM |
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"drax" <drax1313@spamsandwichhotmail.com> wrote in message
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"Pastor Frank" <PastorFrank@christfirst.org> wrote in message
news:4e7e8$453364ac$d1d89a4b$32578@PRIMUS.CA...
"Al Klein" <rukbat@pern.invalid> wrote in message
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On Sun, 15 Oct 2006 11:09:07 -0400, "Bill M" <wmech@bellsouth.net>
wrote:
When I was a youth I stole some pears from a neighbor's tree. When I
was
caught, my parents punished me by requiring that I cut the neighbor's
lawn
and haul his trash for two weeks. Both the neighbor and my parents
thought
this was an appropriate punishment for this rather minor crime.
But because Adam and Eve committed a similar crime,
The did not. They partook from the fruit (tasted the results) of the
knowledge of good and evil and became judgmental and opinionated
gossipers
as a result.
Who, exactly, do you suppose they gossiped to?
drax
Perhaps they talked to themselves a lot, like those demented old ladies
you occasionally see on city streets gesticulating and screeching abuse at
no one in particular. Or perhaps like some atheists posting here, trashing
and flaming invariably and habitually?
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| User: "Al Klein" |
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| Title: Re: IS GOD CRUEL? |
16 Oct 2006 01:51:32 PM |
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On Mon, 16 Oct 2006 11:02:31 -0400, "drax"
<drax1313@spamsandwichhotmail.com> wrote:
"Pastor Frank" <PastorFrank@christfirst.org> wrote in message
news:4e7e8$453364ac$d1d89a4b$32578@PRIMUS.CA...
"Al Klein" <rukbat@pern.invalid> wrote in message
news:r915j214a67oivjqk3biu2j3lci018qanc@4ax.com...
On Sun, 15 Oct 2006 11:09:07 -0400, "Bill M" <wmech@bellsouth.net>
wrote:
When I was a youth I stole some pears from a neighbor's tree. When I was
caught, my parents punished me by requiring that I cut the neighbor's
lawn
and haul his trash for two weeks. Both the neighbor and my parents
thought
this was an appropriate punishment for this rather minor crime.
But because Adam and Eve committed a similar crime,
The did not. They partook from the fruit (tasted the results) of the
knowledge of good and evil and became judgmental and opinionated gossipers
as a result.
Who, exactly, do you suppose they gossiped to?
God. They WERE created in his image.
Don't depend on Frank the Atheist (that's what he used to call
himself) for sane responses.
--
rukbat at optonline dot net
"My position concerning God is that of an agnostic. I am convinced that a vivid
consciousness of the primary importance of moral principles for the betterment and
ennoblement of life does not need the idea of a law-giver, especially a law-giver who
works on the basis of reward and punishment. "
- Letter to M. Berkowitz, October 25, 1950; Einstein Archive 59-215
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| User: "drax" |
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| Title: Re: IS GOD CRUEL? |
17 Oct 2006 10:09:09 AM |
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"Al Klein" <rukbat@pern.invalid> wrote in message
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On Mon, 16 Oct 2006 11:02:31 -0400, "drax"
<drax1313@spamsandwichhotmail.com> wrote:
"Pastor Frank" <PastorFrank@christfirst.org> wrote in message
news:4e7e8$453364ac$d1d89a4b$32578@PRIMUS.CA...
"Al Klein" <rukbat@pern.invalid> wrote in message
news:r915j214a67oivjqk3biu2j3lci018qanc@4ax.com...
On Sun, 15 Oct 2006 11:09:07 -0400, "Bill M" <wmech@bellsouth.net>
wrote:
When I was a youth I stole some pears from a neighbor's tree. When I
was
caught, my parents punished me by requiring that I cut the neighbor's
lawn
and haul his trash for two weeks. Both the neighbor and my parents
thought
this was an appropriate punishment for this rather minor crime.
But because Adam and Eve committed a similar crime,
The did not. They partook from the fruit (tasted the results) of
the
knowledge of good and evil and became judgmental and opinionated
gossipers
as a result.
Who, exactly, do you suppose they gossiped to?
God. They WERE created in his image.
Don't depend on Frank the Atheist (that's what he used to call
himself) for sane responses.
--
Gossip to an omniscient being, that's funny. I didn't really expect an
answer (that made any sense), and I've read enough of Frank to know what to
expect there.
drax
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| User: "Al Klein" |
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| Title: Re: IS GOD CRUEL? |
17 Oct 2006 01:23:56 PM |
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On Tue, 17 Oct 2006 11:09:09 -0400, "drax"
<drax1313@spamsandwichhotmail.com> wrote:
"Al Klein" <rukbat@pern.invalid> wrote in message
news:i3l7j21qpn6iblekrcei9gr8kau1mgi5d5@4ax.com...
On Mon, 16 Oct 2006 11:02:31 -0400, "drax"
<drax1313@spamsandwichhotmail.com> wrote:
Who, exactly, do you suppose they gossiped to?
God. They WERE created in his image.
Don't depend on Frank the Atheist (that's what he used to call
himself) for sane responses.
Gossip to an omniscient being, that's funny.
About as funny as an omniscient being surprised at their actions and
not knowing where they were hiding.
--
rukbat at optonline dot net
"Given that you exist and that you are aware of your situation and
surroundings, you will find yourself in a place which has conditions
exactly suitable to your being there. If the environment was
hostile or incompatible in some important way then you would not be
there in the first place. Therefore the suitability and seeming
perfection of your universe cannot be taken as evidence of anything
more than your existence in it."
- Edward Warren, "The naturalistic fallacy"
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| User: "Neil Kelsey" |
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| Title: Re: IS GOD CRUEL? |
16 Oct 2006 10:04:06 AM |
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drax wrote:
"Pastor Frank" <PastorFrank@christfirst.org> wrote in message
news:4e7e8$453364ac$d1d89a4b$32578@PRIMUS.CA...
"Al Klein" <rukbat@pern.invalid> wrote in message
news:r915j214a67oivjqk3biu2j3lci018qanc@4ax.com...
On Sun, 15 Oct 2006 11:09:07 -0400, "Bill M" <wmech@bellsouth.net>
wrote:
When I was a youth I stole some pears from a neighbor's tree. When I was
caught, my parents punished me by requiring that I cut the neighbor's
lawn
and haul his trash for two weeks. Both the neighbor and my parents
thought
this was an appropriate punishment for this rather minor crime.
But because Adam and Eve committed a similar crime,
The did not. They partook from the fruit (tasted the results) of the
knowledge of good and evil and became judgmental and opinionated gossipers
as a result.
Who, exactly, do you suppose they gossiped to?
Or about?
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| User: "Pastor Frank" |
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| Title: Re: IS GOD CRUEL? |
18 Oct 2006 01:13:50 AM |
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"Neil Kelsey" <neil_kelsey@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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drax wrote:
"Pastor Frank" <PastorFrank@christfirst.org> wrote in message
news:4e7e8$453364ac$d1d89a4b$32578@PRIMUS.CA...
"Al Klein" <rukbat@pern.invalid> wrote in message
news:r915j214a67oivjqk3biu2j3lci018qanc@4ax.com...
On Sun, 15 Oct 2006 11:09:07 -0400, "Bill M" <wmech@bellsouth.net>
wrote:
When I was a youth I stole some pears from a neighbor's tree. When I
was
caught, my parents punished me by requiring that I cut the neighbor's
lawn
and haul his trash for two weeks. Both the neighbor and my parents
thought
this was an appropriate punishment for this rather minor crime.
But because Adam and Eve committed a similar crime,
The did not. They partook from the fruit (tasted the results) of
the
knowledge of good and evil and became judgmental and opinionated
gossipers
as a result.
Who, exactly, do you suppose they gossiped to?
Or about?
Glad to find one who has a positive mind set and who neither looks for,
nor finds things wrong enough to complain about incessantly, i.e. like some
atheists posting here. But then you know where they go, don't you? See below
Pastor Frank
Jesus in Mt:8:12: But the children of Satan's kingdom shall be cast into
outer darkness: There shall be wailing (of interminable complaints and
accusations) and the gnashing of teeth (in frustration and impotent rage).
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