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"Rump Ranger" |
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20 Jan 2005 09:10:48 AM |
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Is God the Worst Criminal to ever exist? |
Why do you Christians keep talking about God's word and morality being
eternal and the pinnacle of rightousness when according to the Bible he
instigated so many atrocities? Looking at the universe only two
conclusions can be drawn about God in regards to us (assuming if it
even exists, a major proposition which nobody can prove):
1. God doesn't give much of a ***** about humanity so there's no point
in giving much of a crap about it.
or
2. The Judeo-Christian God of the Bible is the worst criminal to ever
exist. Consider this prime example from the book of Numbers:
How else can you explain the fact that he supported genocide of the
Midianites and having the 32000 surviving virgins (who were obviously
grieving the loss of their families and were violated by having their
vaginas inspected to see if the hymen was intact against their will)
sold into sex slavery? Is that moral?
Text from the Book of Numbers for all you thumpers to consider:
[quote]
http://www.bible.org/netbible2/index.php?header=&book=num&chapter=31
The Midianite War
31:11 The Lord spoke to Moses: 31:2 "Exact vengeance2 for the
Israelites on the Midianites3--after that you will be gathered to your
people."4
31:3 So Moses spoke to the people: "Arm5 men from among you for the
war, to go against the Midianites and to execute6 the vengeance of the
Lord on Midian. 31:4 You must send to the battle a thousand men from
every tribe throughout all the tribes of Israel."7 31:5 So a thousand
from every tribe, twelve thousand armed for war in all, were provided
out of the thousands of Israel.
Campaign Against the Midianites
31:6 So Moses sent them to the war, one thousand from every tribe, with
Phinehas son of Eleazar the priest, who was in charge8 of the holy
articles9 and the signal trumpets in his hand. 31:7 They fought against
the Midianites, as the Lord commanded Moses, and they killed every
male.10 31:8 They killed the kings of Midian in addition to those
slain--Evi, Rekem, Zur, Hur, and Reba--five Midianite kings.11 They
also killed Balaam son of Beor with the sword.12
31:9 The Israelites took the women of Midian captives along with their
little ones, and took all their herds, all their flocks, and all their
goods as plunder. 31:10 They burned13 all their towns14 that they had
inhabited and all their encampments. 31:11 They took all the plunder
and all the spoils, both people and animals. 31:12 They brought the
captives and the spoils and the plunder to Moses, to Eleazar the
priest, and to the Israelite community, to the camp on the steppes of
Moab, along the Jordan River15 across from Jericho.16 31:13 Moses,
Eleazar the priest, and all the leaders of the community went out to
meet them outside the camp.
The Death of the Midianite Women
31:14 But Moses was furious with the officers of the army, the
commanders over thousands and commanders over hundreds, who had come
from service in the war. 31:15 Moses said to them, "Have you allowed
all the women to live?17 31:16 Look, these people through the counsel
of Balaam caused the Israelites to act treacherously against the Lord
in the matter of Peor--and there was the plague among the community of
the Lord. 31:17 Now therefore kill every boy,18 and kill every woman
who has had sexual intercourse with a man.19 31:18 But all the young
women20 who have not had sexual intercourse with a man21 will be
yours.22
Purification After Battle
31:19 "Any of you who has killed anyone or touched any of the dead,
remain outside the camp for seven days; purify yourselves and your
captives on the third day, and on the seventh day. 31:20 You must
purify each garment and everything that is made of skin, everything
made of goat's hair, and everything made of wood."23
31:21 Then Eleazar the priest said to the men of war who had gone into
the battle, "This is the ordinance of the law that the Lord commanded
Moses: 31:22 'Only the gold, the silver, the bronze, the iron, the tin,
and the lead, 31:23 everything that may stand the fire, you are to pass
through the fire,24 and it will be clean, but then it must be purified
with the waters of impurity. Anything that cannot withstand the fire
you must pass through the water. 31:24 You must wash your clothes on
the seventh day, and you will be clean, and afterward you may come into
the camp.'"
The Distribution of Spoils
31:25 Then the Lord spoke to Moses: 31:26 "You and Eleazar the priest,
and all the family heads of the community, take the sum25 of the
plunder that was captured, both people and animals. 31:27 Divide the
plunder into two parts, one for those who took part in the war, who
went out to battle, and the other for all the community.
31:28 "You must exact26 a tribute for the Lord from the men of war who
went out to battle: one life out of five hundred, from the people, the
cattle, and from the donkeys and the sheep. 31:29 You are to take it
from their half-share and give it to Eleazar the priest for a raised
offering to the Lord. 31:30 From the Israelites' half-share you are to
take one portion out of fifty of the people, the cattle, the donkeys,
and the sheep--from every kind of animal--and you are to give them to
the Levites, who are responsible for the care of the tabernacle of the
Lord."
31:31 So Moses and Eleazar the priest did as the Lord commanded Moses.
31:32 The spoil that remained of the plunder which the men27 of war had
gathered28 was 675,000 sheep, 31:33 72,000 cattle, 31:34 61,000
donkeys, 31:35 and 32,000 women who had never had sexual intercourse
with a man.29
31:36 The half-portion of those who went to war numbered 337,500 sheep;
31:37 the Lord's tribute from the sheep was 675. 31:38 The cattle
numbered30 36,000; the Lord's tribute was 72. 31:39 The donkeys were
30,500, of which the Lord's tribute was 61. 31:40 The people were
16,000, of which the Lord's tribute was 32 people.31
31:41 So Moses gave the tribute, which was the Lord's raised offering,
to Eleazar the priest, as the Lord commanded Moses.
31:42 From the Israelites' half-share that Moses had separated from the
warriors,32 31:43 there were 337,500 sheep from the portion belonging
to the community, 31:44 36,000 cattle, 31:45 30,500 donkeys, 31:46 and
16,000 people.
31:47 From the Israelites' share Moses took one of every fifty people
and animals and gave them to the Levites who were responsible for the
care of the tabernacle of the Lord, as the Lord commanded Moses.
31:48 Then the officers who were over the thousands of the army, the
commanders over thousands and the commanders over hundreds, approached
Moses 31:49 and said to him,33 "Your servants have taken a count34 of
the men who were in the battle, who were under our authority,35 and not
one is missing. 31:50 So we have brought for an offering for the Lord
what each man found: gold ornaments, armlets, bracelets, signet rings,
earrings, and necklaces, to make atonement for ourselves36 before the
Lord."37 31:51 Moses and Eleazar the priest took the gold from them,
all of it fashioned into ornaments. 31:52 All the gold of the offering
they had offered up to the Lord from the commanders of thousands and
the commanders of hundreds weighed 16,750 shekels.38 31:53 Each soldier
had taken plunder for himself. 31:54 So Moses and Eleazar the priest
received the gold from the commanders of thousands and commanders39 of
hundreds and brought it into the tent of meeting as a memorial40 for
the Israelites before the Lord.
[end quote]
Yeah, Twain mentions it in his Letters From the Earth but it's such a
great story to destroy such pompous ideas that the Bible is a book of
"high morals." How can *any* Christian square this story away with
being the same "loving" God that's supposed to be Jesus? Most *smart*
people would have excised such garbage as bad public relations for a
supposed all loving deity.
http://www.infidels.org/library/modern/bill_schultz/criminal-god.html
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| User: "George Peatty" |
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22 Jan 2005 06:19:00 PM |
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On Sat, 22 Jan 2005 11:10:15 -0700, "Lech K. Lesiak" <lklesiak@calcna.ab.ca>
wrote:
In any case, the gospels, although attributed to apostles, were written by
unkown authors who never met the Christ.
The date and authorship of all the gospels are reliably attested by both
internal and external evidence that is irrefragable. No we don't know
exactly when each was written, though we have a reliable timeframe.
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| User: "Al Klein" |
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22 Jan 2005 08:36:54 PM |
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On Sat, 22 Jan 2005 19:19:00 -0500, George Peatty
<pttyg47-1230@copper.net> said in alt.atheism:
On Sat, 22 Jan 2005 11:10:15 -0700, "Lech K. Lesiak" <lklesiak@calcna.ab.ca>
wrote:
In any case, the gospels, although attributed to apostles, were written by
unkown authors who never met the Christ.
The date and authorship of all the gospels are reliably attested by both
internal and external evidence that is irrefragable. No we don't know
exactly when each was written, though we have a reliable timeframe.
Since the earliest original manuscript we have dates to ca 125 AD,
that's nonsense. We have no idea who the author(s) was/were - even
Christian scholars say this.
--
If you are open to the point of gullibility and have not an
ounce of skeptical sense in you, then you cannot distinguish
the useful ideas from the worthless ones
- Carl Sagan, 1987.
(random sig, produced by SigChanger)
rukbat at verizon dot net
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| User: "Lech K. Lesiak" |
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20 Jan 2005 11:35:17 AM |
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On Thu, 20 Jan 2005, Bill wrote:
The books of the Bible are mostly abstruse ancient myths, folklore and
legend.
That's exactly what Tom Harpur writes in 'The Pagan Christ',
Not a particularly well-written book IMHO, but impressive.
Cheers,
Lech
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| User: "Horatio" |
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21 Jan 2005 12:11:56 AM |
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Lech K. Lesiak wrote:
|| On Thu, 20 Jan 2005, Bill wrote:
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||| The books of the Bible are mostly abstruse ancient myths, folklore
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|| That's exactly what Tom Harpur writes in 'The Pagan Christ',
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|| Not a particularly well-written book IMHO, but impressive.
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|| Cheers,
|| Lech
Any idiot, these days, can get a book published.
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| User: "Craig S." |
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21 Jan 2005 07:23:12 AM |
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"Horatio" <horatio@atthebridge.com> wrote in message
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Any idiot, these days, can get a book published.
When's yours coming out?
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| User: "duke" |
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20 Jan 2005 05:50:51 PM |
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On 20 Jan 2005 07:10:48 -0800, "Rump Ranger" <buttpirate@fadmail.com> wrote:
Why do you Christians keep talking about God's word and morality being
eternal and the pinnacle of rightousness when according to the Bible he
instigated so many atrocities?
Simple answer - he didn't. You atheists just don't understand.
duke
In God We Trust
*****
Matthew 7
21"Not everyone who says to me, 'Lord, Lord,'
will enter the kingdom of heaven, but only he
who does the will of my Father who is in heaven.
*****
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| User: "Rump Ranger" |
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21 Jan 2005 02:07:10 AM |
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duke wrote:
On 20 Jan 2005 07:10:48 -0800, "Rump Ranger" <buttpirate@fadmail.com>
wrote:
Why do you Christians keep talking about God's word and morality
being
eternal and the pinnacle of rightousness when according to the Bible
he
instigated so many atrocities?
Simple answer - he didn't. You atheists just don't understand.
So tell me what the *real meaning* about the book of Numbers Chapter 31
is about. Don't get all cryptic on me. I want in *plain English* an
explanation of why God told the Israelites to massacre all but 32000
Midianite women (including children, beasts, and women), have all the
women's vaginas checked to see if they had hymens (against their will
while they grieved the loss of their families), and then sold them into
sex slavery for life. How can this not be considered an atrocity?
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| User: "Jack G" |
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22 Jan 2005 01:21:05 AM |
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"Rump Ranger" <buttpirate@fadmail.com> wrote in message
news:1106294830.393526.260810@c13g2000cwb.googlegroups.com...
duke wrote:
On 20 Jan 2005 07:10:48 -0800, "Rump Ranger" <buttpirate@fadmail.com>
wrote:
Why do you Christians keep talking about God's word and morality
being
eternal and the pinnacle of rightousness when according to the Bible
he
instigated so many atrocities?
Simple answer - he didn't. You atheists just don't understand.
So tell me what the *real meaning* about the book of Numbers Chapter 31
is about. Don't get all cryptic on me. I want in *plain English* an
explanation of why God told the Israelites to massacre all but 32000
Midianite women (including children, beasts, and women), have all the
women's vaginas checked to see if they had hymens (against their will
while they grieved the loss of their families), and then sold them into
sex slavery for life. How can this not be considered an atrocity?
Maybe it wasn't considered an atrocity to the person/persons who wrote that
part of the bible. Or maybe it was considered an atrocity but the story of
it had a purpose. The people of Midian worshipped Baal and the Israelites
were tempted by Baal (or the baal worshipping Midianites). It was a divine
reprisal ordered by Moses against the people of Midian for their previous
temptation of the Israelites. That temptation caused the Israelites to
trespass against their god (the god of the bible). Maybe the story was
meant as a message to the Israelites--'worship the right god or else, look
what happened to the Midianites'.
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| User: "Robert McGregor" |
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22 Jan 2005 01:49:16 AM |
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"Jack G" <AKA_Mr_Underhill@comcast.net> wrote in message
news:J5udnUkxb61_Y2zcRVn-jg@comcast.com...
"Rump Ranger" <buttpirate@fadmail.com> wrote in message
news:1106294830.393526.260810@c13g2000cwb.googlegroups.com...
duke wrote:
On 20 Jan 2005 07:10:48 -0800, "Rump Ranger"
<buttpirate@fadmail.com>
wrote:
Why do you Christians keep talking about God's word and
morality
being
eternal and the pinnacle of rightousness when according to the
Bible
he
instigated so many atrocities?
Simple answer - he didn't. You atheists just don't understand.
So tell me what the *real meaning* about the book of Numbers
Chapter 31
is about. Don't get all cryptic on me. I want in *plain English*
an
explanation of why God told the Israelites to massacre all but
32000
Midianite women (including children, beasts, and women), have all
the
women's vaginas checked to see if they had hymens (against their
will
while they grieved the loss of their families), and then sold them
into
sex slavery for life. How can this not be considered an atrocity?
Maybe it wasn't considered an atrocity to the person/persons who
wrote that
part of the bible. Or maybe it was considered an atrocity but the
story of
it had a purpose. The people of Midian worshipped Baal and the
Israelites
were tempted by Baal (or the baal worshipping Midianites). It was
a divine
reprisal ordered by Moses against the people of Midian for their
previous
temptation of the Israelites. That temptation caused the
Israelites to
trespass against their god (the god of the bible). Maybe the
story was
meant as a message to the Israelites--'worship the right god or
else, look
what happened to the Midianites'.
Just like the latest tsunami, or was that merely creative ineptitude
also?
Bob
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| User: "Jack G" |
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22 Jan 2005 03:31:38 AM |
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"Robert McGregor" <robert_mcgregor@yahoo.com.au> wrote in message
news:35eev5F4mmuufU1@individual.net...
"Jack G" <AKA_Mr_Underhill@comcast.net> wrote in message
news:J5udnUkxb61_Y2zcRVn-jg@comcast.com...
"Rump Ranger" <buttpirate@fadmail.com> wrote in message
news:1106294830.393526.260810@c13g2000cwb.googlegroups.com...
duke wrote:
On 20 Jan 2005 07:10:48 -0800, "Rump Ranger"
<buttpirate@fadmail.com>
wrote:
Why do you Christians keep talking about God's word and
morality
being
eternal and the pinnacle of rightousness when according to the
Bible
he
instigated so many atrocities?
Simple answer - he didn't. You atheists just don't understand.
So tell me what the *real meaning* about the book of Numbers
Chapter 31
is about. Don't get all cryptic on me. I want in *plain English*
an
explanation of why God told the Israelites to massacre all but
32000
Midianite women (including children, beasts, and women), have all
the
women's vaginas checked to see if they had hymens (against their
will
while they grieved the loss of their families), and then sold them
into
sex slavery for life. How can this not be considered an atrocity?
Maybe it wasn't considered an atrocity to the person/persons who
wrote that
part of the bible. Or maybe it was considered an atrocity but the
story of
it had a purpose. The people of Midian worshipped Baal and the
Israelites
were tempted by Baal (or the baal worshipping Midianites). It was
a divine
reprisal ordered by Moses against the people of Midian for their
previous
temptation of the Israelites. That temptation caused the
Israelites to
trespass against their god (the god of the bible). Maybe the
story was
meant as a message to the Israelites--'worship the right god or
else, look
what happened to the Midianites'.
Just like the latest tsunami, or was that merely creative ineptitude
also?
Bob
The STORY of the Midianites may have had a purpose or message-that the
PERSON or PERSONS who wrote that part of the bible was trying to send.
Personally, I don't think it was god's message. I don't think the tsunami
was either a message from god or creative ineptitude.
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| User: "Kai Ruuska" |
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22 Jan 2005 03:54:28 AM |
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Jack G kirjoitti:
The STORY of the Midianites may have had a purpose or message-that the
PERSON or PERSONS who wrote that part of the bible was trying to send.
Personally, I don't think it was god's message. I don't think the tsunami
was either a message from god or creative ineptitude.
Of course it was, you silly. At least according to Westboro Babtist
Church of Topeka, Kansas, United States:
http://rawstory.rawprint.com/1204/westboro_tsunami_statement_1230.php
You're just weak in your faith and will burn in HELL for ETERNITY! Now
excuse me while I wipe the foam off my chin.
Kai
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| User: "Jack G" |
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22 Jan 2005 04:10:26 AM |
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"Kai Ruuska" <soberon@luukku.com> wrote in message
news:cst7sl$9ib$1@phys-news1.kolumbus.fi...
Jack G kirjoitti:
The STORY of the Midianites may have had a purpose or message-that the
PERSON or PERSONS who wrote that part of the bible was trying to send.
Personally, I don't think it was god's message. I don't think the
tsunami
was either a message from god or creative ineptitude.
Of course it was, you silly. At least according to Westboro Babtist
Church of Topeka, Kansas, United States:
http://rawstory.rawprint.com/1204/westboro_tsunami_statement_1230.php
You're just weak in your faith and will burn in HELL for ETERNITY! Now
excuse me while I wipe the foam off my chin.
Kai
oh boy, here is the manifesto of that group (I kid you not):
http://www.godhatesfags.com/main/manifesto.html
Lucky for them, Kansas is a long damn way from the ocean.
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| User: "Tommy" |
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22 Jan 2005 05:02:16 PM |
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In news:cst7sl$9ib$1@phys-news1.kolumbus.fi,
Kai Ruuska <> was heard piping ``(*^(\)
Jack G kirjoitti:
The STORY of the Midianites may have had a purpose or message-that the
PERSON or PERSONS who wrote that part of the bible was trying to send.
Personally, I don't think it was god's message. I don't think the tsunami
was either a message from god or creative ineptitude.
Of course it was, you silly. At least according to Westboro Babtist
Church of Topeka, Kansas, United States:
http://rawstory.rawprint.com/1204/westboro_tsunami_statement_1230.php
You're just weak in your faith and will burn in HELL for ETERNITY! Now
excuse me while I wipe the foam off my chin.
Kai
You got it wrong Kai, the yanks are shitting themselves. They know that God
got his co-ordinates wrong, it was meant to hit the East Coast of AMerikay.
The plan was to not even leave a bush standing. Remember the one about the
burning bush (in the bible)
:-))
Cheers
Tommy
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| User: "Horatio" |
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22 Jan 2005 06:24:22 AM |
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Kai Ruuska wrote:
|| Jack G kirjoitti:
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||| The STORY of the Midianites may have had a purpose or message-that
||| the PERSON or PERSONS who wrote that part of the bible was trying
||| to send. Personally, I don't think it was god's message. I don't
||| think the tsunami was either a message from god or creative
||| ineptitude.
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|| Of course it was, you silly. At least according to Westboro Babtist
|| Church of Topeka, Kansas, United States:
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|| http://rawstory.rawprint.com/1204/westboro_tsunami_statement_1230.php
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|| You're just weak in your faith and will burn in HELL for ETERNITY!
|| Now excuse me while I wipe the foam off my chin.
Foam? On LIEbrawls chins, it's more likely *****.
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|| Kai
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| User: "Rump Ranger" |
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22 Jan 2005 03:06:04 AM |
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Jack G wrote:
"Rump Ranger" <buttpirate@fadmail.com> wrote in message
news:1106294830.393526.260810@c13g2000cwb.googlegroups.com...
duke wrote:
On 20 Jan 2005 07:10:48 -0800, "Rump Ranger"
<buttpirate@fadmail.com>
wrote:
Why do you Christians keep talking about God's word and morality
being
eternal and the pinnacle of rightousness when according to the
Bible
he
instigated so many atrocities?
Simple answer - he didn't. You atheists just don't understand.
So tell me what the *real meaning* about the book of Numbers
Chapter 31
is about. Don't get all cryptic on me. I want in *plain English*
an
explanation of why God told the Israelites to massacre all but
32000
Midianite women (including children, beasts, and women), have all
the
women's vaginas checked to see if they had hymens (against their
will
while they grieved the loss of their families), and then sold them
into
sex slavery for life. How can this not be considered an atrocity?
Maybe it wasn't considered an atrocity to the person/persons who
wrote that
part of the bible. Or maybe it was considered an atrocity but the
story of
it had a purpose. The people of Midian worshipped Baal and the
Israelites
were tempted by Baal (or the baal worshipping Midianites). It was a
divine
reprisal ordered by Moses against the people of Midian for their
previous
temptation of the Israelites. That temptation caused the Israelites
to
trespass against their god (the god of the bible). Maybe the story
was
meant as a message to the Israelites--'worship the right god or else,
look
what happened to the Midianites'.
IOW, the "one true God" was one hell of a *jealous* *****.
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| User: "Jack G" |
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22 Jan 2005 03:34:46 AM |
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"Rump Ranger" <buttpirate@fadmail.com> wrote in message
news:1106384764.278443.99340@z14g2000cwz.googlegroups.com...
Jack G wrote:
"Rump Ranger" <buttpirate@fadmail.com> wrote in message
news:1106294830.393526.260810@c13g2000cwb.googlegroups.com...
duke wrote:
On 20 Jan 2005 07:10:48 -0800, "Rump Ranger"
<buttpirate@fadmail.com>
wrote:
Why do you Christians keep talking about God's word and morality
being
eternal and the pinnacle of rightousness when according to the
Bible
he
instigated so many atrocities?
Simple answer - he didn't. You atheists just don't understand.
So tell me what the *real meaning* about the book of Numbers
Chapter 31
is about. Don't get all cryptic on me. I want in *plain English*
an
explanation of why God told the Israelites to massacre all but
32000
Midianite women (including children, beasts, and women), have all
the
women's vaginas checked to see if they had hymens (against their
will
while they grieved the loss of their families), and then sold them
into
sex slavery for life. How can this not be considered an atrocity?
Maybe it wasn't considered an atrocity to the person/persons who
wrote that
part of the bible. Or maybe it was considered an atrocity but the
story of
it had a purpose. The people of Midian worshipped Baal and the
Israelites
were tempted by Baal (or the baal worshipping Midianites). It was a
divine
reprisal ordered by Moses against the people of Midian for their
previous
temptation of the Israelites. That temptation caused the Israelites
to
trespass against their god (the god of the bible). Maybe the story
was
meant as a message to the Israelites--'worship the right god or else,
look
what happened to the Midianites'.
IOW, the "one true God" was one hell of a *jealous* *****.
IOW, the "writer of the story" wanted somebody to think so maybe.
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22 Jan 2005 03:37:08 AM |
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Jack G wrote:
"Rump Ranger" <buttpirate@fadmail.com> wrote in message
news:1106384764.278443.99340@z14g2000cwz.googlegroups.com...
Jack G wrote:
"Rump Ranger" <buttpirate@fadmail.com> wrote in message
news:1106294830.393526.260810@c13g2000cwb.googlegroups.com...
duke wrote:
On 20 Jan 2005 07:10:48 -0800, "Rump Ranger"
<buttpirate@fadmail.com>
wrote:
Why do you Christians keep talking about God's word and
morality
being
eternal and the pinnacle of rightousness when according to
the
Bible
he
instigated so many atrocities?
Simple answer - he didn't. You atheists just don't
understand.
So tell me what the *real meaning* about the book of Numbers
Chapter 31
is about. Don't get all cryptic on me. I want in *plain
English*
an
explanation of why God told the Israelites to massacre all but
32000
Midianite women (including children, beasts, and women), have
all
the
women's vaginas checked to see if they had hymens (against
their
will
while they grieved the loss of their families), and then sold
them
into
sex slavery for life. How can this not be considered an
atrocity?
Maybe it wasn't considered an atrocity to the person/persons who
wrote that
part of the bible. Or maybe it was considered an atrocity but the
story of
it had a purpose. The people of Midian worshipped Baal and the
Israelites
were tempted by Baal (or the baal worshipping Midianites). It
was a
divine
reprisal ordered by Moses against the people of Midian for their
previous
temptation of the Israelites. That temptation caused the
Israelites
to
trespass against their god (the god of the bible). Maybe the
story
was
meant as a message to the Israelites--'worship the right god or
else,
look
what happened to the Midianites'.
IOW, the "one true God" was one hell of a *jealous* *****.
IOW, the "writer of the story" wanted somebody to think so maybe.
So you agree Christians who hold to it are idiots, then. Glad we agree.
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| User: "Jack G" |
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| Title: Re: Is God the Worst Criminal to ever exist? |
22 Jan 2005 03:58:55 AM |
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"Rump Ranger" <buttpirate@fadmail.com> wrote in message
news:1106386628.886744.179380@c13g2000cwb.googlegroups.com...
Jack G wrote:
"Rump Ranger" <buttpirate@fadmail.com> wrote in message
news:1106384764.278443.99340@z14g2000cwz.googlegroups.com...
Jack G wrote:
"Rump Ranger" <buttpirate@fadmail.com> wrote in message
news:1106294830.393526.260810@c13g2000cwb.googlegroups.com...
duke wrote:
On 20 Jan 2005 07:10:48 -0800, "Rump Ranger"
<buttpirate@fadmail.com>
wrote:
Why do you Christians keep talking about God's word and
morality
being
eternal and the pinnacle of rightousness when according to
the
Bible
he
instigated so many atrocities?
Simple answer - he didn't. You atheists just don't
understand.
So tell me what the *real meaning* about the book of Numbers
Chapter 31
is about. Don't get all cryptic on me. I want in *plain
English*
an
explanation of why God told the Israelites to massacre all but
32000
Midianite women (including children, beasts, and women), have
all
the
women's vaginas checked to see if they had hymens (against
their
will
while they grieved the loss of their families), and then sold
them
into
sex slavery for life. How can this not be considered an
atrocity?
Maybe it wasn't considered an atrocity to the person/persons who
wrote that
part of the bible. Or maybe it was considered an atrocity but the
story of
it had a purpose. The people of Midian worshipped Baal and the
Israelites
were tempted by Baal (or the baal worshipping Midianites). It
was a
divine
reprisal ordered by Moses against the people of Midian for their
previous
temptation of the Israelites. That temptation caused the
Israelites
to
trespass against their god (the god of the bible). Maybe the
story
was
meant as a message to the Israelites--'worship the right god or
else,
look
what happened to the Midianites'.
IOW, the "one true God" was one hell of a *jealous* *****.
IOW, the "writer of the story" wanted somebody to think so maybe.
So you agree Christians who hold to it are idiots, then. Glad we agree.
No, I don't make that characterization of Christians who take the bible as
the literal word of god.
I just don't take the bible as the literal word of god or the stories as the
true narrative of gods actions on earth. The bible is full of stories,
written by men. Maybe there is some divine revelation and truth reflected
in some of the stories, maybe not.
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| User: "Rump Ranger" |
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| Title: Re: Is God the Worst Criminal to ever exist? |
22 Jan 2005 03:25:02 PM |
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Jack G wrote:
"Rump Ranger" <buttpirate@fadmail.com> wrote in message
news:1106386628.886744.179380@c13g2000cwb.googlegroups.com...
Jack G wrote:
"Rump Ranger" <buttpirate@fadmail.com> wrote in message
news:1106384764.278443.99340@z14g2000cwz.googlegroups.com...
Jack G wrote:
"Rump Ranger" <buttpirate@fadmail.com> wrote in message
news:1106294830.393526.260810@c13g2000cwb.googlegroups.com...
duke wrote:
On 20 Jan 2005 07:10:48 -0800, "Rump Ranger"
<buttpirate@fadmail.com>
wrote:
Why do you Christians keep talking about God's word and
morality
being
eternal and the pinnacle of rightousness when according
to
the
Bible
he
instigated so many atrocities?
Simple answer - he didn't. You atheists just don't
understand.
So tell me what the *real meaning* about the book of
Numbers
Chapter 31
is about. Don't get all cryptic on me. I want in *plain
English*
an
explanation of why God told the Israelites to massacre all
but
32000
Midianite women (including children, beasts, and women),
have
all
the
women's vaginas checked to see if they had hymens (against
their
will
while they grieved the loss of their families), and then
sold
them
into
sex slavery for life. How can this not be considered an
atrocity?
Maybe it wasn't considered an atrocity to the person/persons
who
wrote that
part of the bible. Or maybe it was considered an atrocity but
the
story of
it had a purpose. The people of Midian worshipped Baal and
the
Israelites
were tempted by Baal (or the baal worshipping Midianites).
It
was a
divine
reprisal ordered by Moses against the people of Midian for
their
previous
temptation of the Israelites. That temptation caused the
Israelites
to
trespass against their god (the god of the bible). Maybe
the
story
was
meant as a message to the Israelites--'worship the right god
or
else,
look
what happened to the Midianites'.
IOW, the "one true God" was one hell of a *jealous* *****.
IOW, the "writer of the story" wanted somebody to think so maybe.
So you agree Christians who hold to it are idiots, then. Glad we
agree.
No, I don't make that characterization of Christians who take the
bible as
the literal word of god.
Anyone who does so and believes God is "perfect love" incarnate *is* an
idiot.
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| User: "Horatio" |
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| Title: Re: Is God the Worst Criminal to ever exist? |
22 Jan 2005 05:39:19 PM |
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Rump Ranger wrote:
|| Jack G wrote:
||| "Rump Ranger" <buttpirate@fadmail.com> wrote in message
||| news:1106386628.886744.179380@c13g2000cwb.googlegroups.com...
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|||| Jack G wrote:
||||| "Rump Ranger" <buttpirate@fadmail.com> wrote in message
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|||||||| duke wrote:
||||||||| On 20 Jan 2005 07:10:48 -0800, "Rump Ranger"
||||||||| <buttpirate@fadmail.com> wrote:
|||||||||
|||||||||| Why do you Christians keep talking about God's word and
|||||||||| morality being eternal and the pinnacle of rightousness when
|||||||||| according
|| to
|||| the
|||||| Bible
|||||||| he
|||||||||| instigated so many atrocities?
|||||||||
||||||||| Simple answer - he didn't. You atheists just don't
||||||||| understand.
|||||||||
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|||||||| So tell me what the *real meaning* about the book of Numbers
|||||||| Chapter 31 is about. Don't get all cryptic on me. I want in
|||||||| *plain English* an explanation of why God told the Israelites
|||||||| to massacre all but 32000 Midianite women (including children,
|||||||| beasts, and women),
|| have
|||| all
|||||| the
|||||||| women's vaginas checked to see if they had hymens (against
|||||||| their will while they grieved the loss of their families), and
|||||||| then
|| sold
|||| them
|||||| into
|||||||| sex slavery for life. How can this not be considered an
|||||||| atrocity?
||||||||
||||||| Maybe it wasn't considered an atrocity to the person/persons
||||||| who wrote that part of the bible. Or maybe it was considered an
||||||| atrocity but the story of it had a purpose. The people of
||||||| Midian worshipped Baal and the Israelites were tempted by Baal
||||||| (or the baal worshipping Midianites).
|| It
|||| was a
|||||| divine
||||||| reprisal ordered by Moses against the people of Midian for
||||||| their previous temptation of the Israelites. That temptation
||||||| caused the Israelites to trespass against their god (the god of
||||||| the bible). Maybe
|| the
|||| story
|||||| was
||||||| meant as a message to the Israelites--'worship the right god
|| or
|||| else,
|||||| look
||||||| what happened to the Midianites'.
|||||| IOW, the "one true God" was one hell of a *jealous* *****.
||||||
||||| IOW, the "writer of the story" wanted somebody to think so maybe.
||||
|||| So you agree Christians who hold to it are idiots, then. Glad we
|||| agree.
||||
||| No, I don't make that characterization of Christians who take the
||| bible as the literal word of god.
|||
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|| Anyone who does so and believes God is "perfect love" incarnate *is*
|| an idiot.
Anyone who believes that YOU are a sentient being is even MORE an idiot.
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| User: "Rump Ranger" |
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| Title: Re: Is God the Worst Criminal to ever exist? |
28 Jan 2005 03:28:33 AM |
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Horatio wrote:
Rump Ranger wrote:
|| Jack G wrote:
||| "Rump Ranger" <buttpirate@fadmail.com> wrote in message
||| news:1106386628.886744.179380@c13g2000cwb.googlegroups.com...
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|||| Jack G wrote:
||||| "Rump Ranger" <buttpirate@fadmail.com> wrote in message
||||| news:1106384764.278443.99340@z14g2000cwz.googlegroups.com...
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|||||| Jack G wrote:
||||||| "Rump Ranger" <buttpirate@fadmail.com> wrote in message
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|||||||| duke wrote:
||||||||| On 20 Jan 2005 07:10:48 -0800, "Rump Ranger"
||||||||| <buttpirate@fadmail.com> wrote:
|||||||||
|||||||||| Why do you Christians keep talking about God's word and
|||||||||| morality being eternal and the pinnacle of rightousness
when
|||||||||| according
|| to
|||| the
|||||| Bible
|||||||| he
|||||||||| instigated so many atrocities?
|||||||||
||||||||| Simple answer - he didn't. You atheists just don't
||||||||| understand.
|||||||||
||||||||
|||||||| So tell me what the *real meaning* about the book of Numbers
|||||||| Chapter 31 is about. Don't get all cryptic on me. I want
in
|||||||| *plain English* an explanation of why God told the
Israelites
|||||||| to massacre all but 32000 Midianite women (including
children,
|||||||| beasts, and women),
|| have
|||| all
|||||| the
|||||||| women's vaginas checked to see if they had hymens (against
|||||||| their will while they grieved the loss of their families),
and
|||||||| then
|| sold
|||| them
|||||| into
|||||||| sex slavery for life. How can this not be considered an
|||||||| atrocity?
||||||||
||||||| Maybe it wasn't considered an atrocity to the person/persons
||||||| who wrote that part of the bible. Or maybe it was considered
an
||||||| atrocity but the story of it had a purpose. The people of
||||||| Midian worshipped Baal and the Israelites were tempted by
Baal
||||||| (or the baal worshipping Midianites).
|| It
|||| was a
|||||| divine
||||||| reprisal ordered by Moses against the people of Midian for
||||||| their previous temptation of the Israelites. That temptation
||||||| caused the Israelites to trespass against their god (the god
of
||||||| the bible). Maybe
|| the
|||| story
|||||| was
||||||| meant as a message to the Israelites--'worship the right god
|| or
|||| else,
|||||| look
||||||| what happened to the Midianites'.
|||||| IOW, the "one true God" was one hell of a *jealous* *****.
||||||
||||| IOW, the "writer of the story" wanted somebody to think so
maybe.
||||
|||| So you agree Christians who hold to it are idiots, then. Glad
we
|||| agree.
||||
||| No, I don't make that characterization of Christians who take the
||| bible as the literal word of god.
|||
||
|| Anyone who does so and believes God is "perfect love" incarnate
*is*
|| an idiot.
Anyone who believes that YOU are a sentient being is even MORE an
idiot.
I know you are, but what am I? Got anything *intelligent* to say on
this subject?
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| User: "George Peatty" |
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| Title: Re: Is God the Worst Criminal to ever exist? |
21 Jan 2005 07:39:07 PM |
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On 20 Jan 2005 07:10:48 -0800, "Rump Ranger" <buttpirate@fadmail.com> wrote:
Why do you Christians keep talking about God's word and morality being
eternal and the pinnacle of rightousness when according to the Bible he
instigated so many atrocities? Looking at the universe only two
conclusions can be drawn about God in regards to us (assuming if it
even exists, a major proposition which nobody can prove):
1. God doesn't give much of a ***** about humanity so there's no point
in giving much of a crap about it.
Your reference to God using a neuter gender is obviously trolling. Since
you present as a troll, I will not waste my time addressing any other points
you might make. Come back when you learn some manners, sonny ..
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| User: "Rump Ranger" |
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21 Jan 2005 10:13:13 PM |
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George Peatty wrote:
On 20 Jan 2005 07:10:48 -0800, "Rump Ranger" <buttpirate@fadmail.com>
wrote:
Why do you Christians keep talking about God's word and morality
being
eternal and the pinnacle of rightousness when according to the Bible
he
instigated so many atrocities? Looking at the universe only two
conclusions can be drawn about God in regards to us (assuming if it
even exists, a major proposition which nobody can prove):
1. God doesn't give much of a ***** about humanity so there's no
point
in giving much of a crap about it.
Your reference to God using a neuter gender is obviously trolling.
Since
you present as a troll, I will not waste my time addressing any other
points
you might make. Come back when you learn some manners, sonny ..
Why bother when you Christian fundies assume everyone worships *your*
God.
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| User: "Al Klein" |
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| Title: Re: Is God the Worst Criminal to ever exist? |
22 Jan 2005 01:36:43 AM |
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On Fri, 21 Jan 2005 20:39:07 -0500, George Peatty
<pttyg47-1230@copper.net> said in alt.atheism:
Your reference to God using a neuter gender is obviously trolling.
How can your god have a gender?
--
"Christians, it is needless to say, utterly detest each other. They slander each
other constantly with the vilest forms of abuse and cannot come to any sort of
agreement in their teachings. Each sect brands its own, fills the head of its own
with deceitful nonsense, and makes perfect little pigs of those it wins over to its
side."
- Celsus On the True Doctrine, translated by R. Joseph Hoffman, Oxford University Press, 1987
(random sig, produced by SigChanger)
rukbat at verizon dot net
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| User: "" |
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| Title: Re: Is God the Worst Criminal to ever exist? |
20 Jan 2005 03:11:41 PM |
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Rump Ranger wrote:
Why do you Christians keep talking about God's word and morality
being
eternal and the pinnacle of rightousness when according to the Bible
he
instigated so many atrocities?
I can't wait until the next apocalypse so I can legally kill
christians, jews, muslims and atheists for the crimes they have
commited against humanity.
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| User: "Tukla Ratte" |
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| Title: Re: Is God the Worst Criminal to ever exist? |
20 Jan 2005 11:34:20 AM |
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Rump Ranger wrote:
Why do you Christians keep talking about God's word and morality being
eternal and the pinnacle of rightousness when according to the Bible he
instigated so many atrocities?
Given his statement that all things come from him, including evil, you
might be able to say that he's the world's only criminal.
< snip >
--
Tukla, Eater of Theists, Squeaker of Chew Toys
Official Mascot of Alt.Atheism, aa 1347
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| User: "stoney" |
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22 Jan 2005 08:44:01 PM |
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On Thu, 20 Jan 2005 11:34:20 -0600, Tukla Ratte
<tukla_ratte@tukla.net> wrote:
Rump Ranger wrote:
Why do you Christians keep talking about God's word and morality being
eternal and the pinnacle of rightousness when according to the Bible he
instigated so many atrocities?
Given his statement that all things come from him, including evil, you
might be able to say that he's the world's only criminal.
Since all are mere actors in a pointless play hitting their marks and
spouting their lines as scripted eons ago.
--
Contempt of Congress meter reading-offscale.
Hello, theocracy with a fundamentalist US Supreme
Court who will ensure church and state are joined
at the hip like clergy and altar boys.
America 1776-Jan 2001 RIP
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