"Rump Ranger" <buttpirate@fadmail.com> wrote in message
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Why do you Christians keep talking about God's word and morality being
eternal and the pinnacle of rightousness when according to the Bible he
instigated so many atrocities? Looking at the universe only two
conclusions can be drawn about God in regards to us (assuming if it
even exists, a major proposition which nobody can prove):

1. God doesn't give much of a ***** about humanity so there's no point
in giving much of a crap about it.

or

2. The Judeo-Christian God of the Bible is the worst criminal to ever
exist. Consider this prime example from the book of Numbers:

And the good news is ...You get to pick a God of your own understanding.
There's something to be grateful for! ;o)

It seems you think much too highly of man.

We are all sinners and deserving of God's moral wrath. It is only by His
lovng and incomprehensible mercy that you or I are allowed to take that

breath.

God has offered redemption for man through the sacrifice of Jesus
Christ. You may not understand that, but how can any man understand the
mind of God?!

God says that He will confound the minds of the wise with simple truths.

Open your mind, allow God to talk to your inner spirit. He will if you
approach him with sincerity. You obviously are an intelligent person as
evidenced by your writing. God has more for you. He offers you

Not some formal, ceremonial thing, but personal salvation. I have been
unsaved, and I have doubted.
God has converted me. The inner peace is something beyond words, beyond
human reasoning. The destiny of my soul is assured. Is yours?

May Almighty God touch you with His perfect love ...

Kirk

"Rump Ranger" <buttpirate@fadmail.com> wrote in message
news:1106233848.589660.214250@c13g2000cwb.googlegroups.com...

Why do you Christians keep talking about God's word and morality being
eternal and the pinnacle of rightousness when according to the Bible he
instigated so many atrocities? Looking at the universe only two
conclusions can be drawn about God in regards to us (assuming if it
even exists, a major proposition which nobody can prove):

1. God doesn't give much of a ***** about humanity so there's no point
in giving much of a crap about it.

or

2. The Judeo-Christian God of the Bible is the worst criminal to ever
exist. Consider this prime example from the book of Numbers:

How else can you explain the fact that he supported genocide of the
Midianites and having the 32000 surviving virgins (who were obviously
grieving the loss of their families and were violated by having their
vaginas inspected to see if the hymen was intact against their will)
sold into sex slavery? Is that moral?

Text from the Book of Numbers for all you thumpers to consider:

[quote]

http://www.bible.org/netbible2/index.php?header=&book=num&chapter=31

The Midianite War

31:11 The Lord spoke to Moses: 31:2 "Exact vengeance2 for the
Israelites on the Midianites3--after that you will be gathered to your
people."4

31:3 So Moses spoke to the people: "Arm5 men from among you for the
war, to go against the Midianites and to execute6 the vengeance of the
Lord on Midian. 31:4 You must send to the battle a thousand men from
every tribe throughout all the tribes of Israel."7 31:5 So a thousand
from every tribe, twelve thousand armed for war in all, were provided
out of the thousands of Israel.

Campaign Against the Midianites

31:6 So Moses sent them to the war, one thousand from every tribe, with
Phinehas son of Eleazar the priest, who was in charge8 of the holy
articles9 and the signal trumpets in his hand. 31:7 They fought against
the Midianites, as the Lord commanded Moses, and they killed every
male.10 31:8 They killed the kings of Midian in addition to those
slain--Evi, Rekem, Zur, Hur, and Reba--five Midianite kings.11 They
also killed Balaam son of Beor with the sword.12

31:9 The Israelites took the women of Midian captives along with their
little ones, and took all their herds, all their flocks, and all their
goods as plunder. 31:10 They burned13 all their towns14 that they had
inhabited and all their encampments. 31:11 They took all the plunder
and all the spoils, both people and animals. 31:12 They brought the
captives and the spoils and the plunder to Moses, to Eleazar the
priest, and to the Israelite community, to the camp on the steppes of
Moab, along the Jordan River15 across from Jericho.16 31:13 Moses,
Eleazar the priest, and all the leaders of the community went out to
meet them outside the camp.

The Death of the Midianite Women

31:14 But Moses was furious with the officers of the army, the
commanders over thousands and commanders over hundreds, who had come
from service in the war. 31:15 Moses said to them, "Have you allowed
all the women to live?17 31:16 Look, these people through the counsel
of Balaam caused the Israelites to act treacherously against the Lord
in the matter of Peor--and there was the plague among the community of
the Lord. 31:17 Now therefore kill every boy,18 and kill every woman
who has had sexual intercourse with a man.19 31:18 But all the young
women20 who have not had sexual intercourse with a man21 will be
yours.22

Purification After Battle

31:19 "Any of you who has killed anyone or touched any of the dead,
remain outside the camp for seven days; purify yourselves and your
captives on the third day, and on the seventh day. 31:20 You must
purify each garment and everything that is made of skin, everything
made of goat's hair, and everything made of wood."23

31:21 Then Eleazar the priest said to the men of war who had gone into
the battle, "This is the ordinance of the law that the Lord commanded
Moses: 31:22 'Only the gold, the silver, the bronze, the iron, the tin,
and the lead, 31:23 everything that may stand the fire, you are to pass
through the fire,24 and it will be clean, but then it must be purified
with the waters of impurity. Anything that cannot withstand the fire
you must pass through the water. 31:24 You must wash your clothes on
the seventh day, and you will be clean, and afterward you may come into
the camp.'"

The Distribution of Spoils

31:25 Then the Lord spoke to Moses: 31:26 "You and Eleazar the priest,
and all the family heads of the community, take the sum25 of the
plunder that was captured, both people and animals. 31:27 Divide the
plunder into two parts, one for those who took part in the war, who
went out to battle, and the other for all the community.

31:28 "You must exact26 a tribute for the Lord from the men of war who
went out to battle: one life out of five hundred, from the people, the
cattle, and from the donkeys and the sheep. 31:29 You are to take it
from their half-share and give it to Eleazar the priest for a raised
offering to the Lord. 31:30 From the Israelites' half-share you are to
take one portion out of fifty of the people, the cattle, the donkeys,
and the sheep--from every kind of animal--and you are to give them to
the Levites, who are responsible for the care of the tabernacle of the
Lord."

31:31 So Moses and Eleazar the priest did as the Lord commanded Moses.
31:32 The spoil that remained of the plunder which the men27 of war had
gathered28 was 675,000 sheep, 31:33 72,000 cattle, 31:34 61,000
donkeys, 31:35 and 32,000 women who had never had sexual intercourse
with a man.29

31:36 The half-portion of those who went to war numbered 337,500 sheep;
31:37 the Lord's tribute from the sheep was 675. 31:38 The cattle
numbered30 36,000; the Lord's tribute was 72. 31:39 The donkeys were
30,500, of which the Lord's tribute was 61. 31:40 The people were
16,000, of which the Lord's tribute was 32 people.31

31:41 So Moses gave the tribute, which was the Lord's raised offering,
to Eleazar the priest, as the Lord commanded Moses.

31:42 From the Israelites' half-share that Moses had separated from the
warriors,32 31:43 there were 337,500 sheep from the portion belonging
to the community, 31:44 36,000 cattle, 31:45 30,500 donkeys, 31:46 and
16,000 people.

31:47 From the Israelites' share Moses took one of every fifty people
and animals and gave them to the Levites who were responsible for the
care of the tabernacle of the Lord, as the Lord commanded Moses.

31:48 Then the officers who were over the thousands of the army, the
commanders over thousands and the commanders over hundreds, approached
Moses 31:49 and said to him,33 "Your servants have taken a count34 of
the men who were in the battle, who were under our authority,35 and not
one is missing. 31:50 So we have brought for an offering for the Lord
what each man found: gold ornaments, armlets, bracelets, signet rings,
earrings, and necklaces, to make atonement for ourselves36 before the
Lord."37 31:51 Moses and Eleazar the priest took the gold from them,
all of it fashioned into ornaments. 31:52 All the gold of the offering
they had offered up to the Lord from the commanders of thousands and
the commanders of hundreds weighed 16,750 shekels.38 31:53 Each soldier
had taken plunder for himself. 31:54 So Moses and Eleazar the priest
received the gold from the commanders of thousands and commanders39 of
hundreds and brought it into the tent of meeting as a memorial40 for
the Israelites before the Lord.

[end quote]

Yeah, Twain mentions it in his Letters From the Earth but it's such a
great story to destroy such pompous ideas that the Bible is a book of
"high morals." How can *any* Christian square this story away with
being the same "loving" God that's supposed to be Jesus? Most *smart*
people would have excised such garbage as bad public relations for a
supposed all loving deity.
http://www.infidels.org/library/modern/bill_schultz/criminal-god.html

It seems you think much too highly of man.

We are all sinners and deserving of God's moral wrath.

Open your mind, allow God to talk to your inner spirit.

He will if you
approach him with sincerity.

You obviously are an intelligent person as
evidenced by your writing. God has more for you. He offers you salvation.
Not some formal, ceremonial thing, but personal salvation. I have been
unsaved, and I have doubted.
God has converted me. The inner peace is something beyond words, beyond
human reasoning. The destiny of my soul is assured. Is yours?

May Almighty God touch you with His perfect love ...

Kirk

It seems you think much too highly of man.

We are all sinners and deserving of God's moral wrath. It is only by

lovng and incomprehensible mercy that you or I are allowed to take

breath. God has offered redemption for man through the sacrifice of

Christ. You may not understand that, but how can any man understand

mind of God?!

God says that He will confound the minds of the wise with simple

Open your mind, allow God to talk to your inner spirit. He will if

approach him with sincerity. You obviously are an intelligent person

evidenced by your writing. God has more for you. He offers you

Not some formal, ceremonial thing, but personal salvation. I have

unsaved, and I have doubted.
God has converted me. The inner peace is something beyond words,

human reasoning. The destiny of my soul is assured. Is yours?

May Almighty God touch you with His perfect love ...

"Rump Ranger" <buttpirate@fadmail.com> wrote in message
news:1106233848.589660.214250@c13g2000cwb.googlegroups.com...

Why do you Christians keep talking about God's word and morality

eternal and the pinnacle of rightousness when according to the

instigated so many atrocities? Looking at the universe only two
conclusions can be drawn about God in regards to us (assuming if it
even exists, a major proposition which nobody can prove):

1. God doesn't give much of a ***** about humanity so there's no

in giving much of a crap about it.

or

2. The Judeo-Christian God of the Bible is the worst criminal to

exist. Consider this prime example from the book of Numbers:

How else can you explain the fact that he supported genocide of the
Midianites and having the 32000 surviving virgins (who were

grieving the loss of their families and were violated by having

vaginas inspected to see if the hymen was intact against their

sold into sex slavery? Is that moral?

Text from the Book of Numbers for all you thumpers to consider:

[quote]

The Midianite War

31:11 The Lord spoke to Moses: 31:2 "Exact vengeance2 for the
Israelites on the Midianites3--after that you will be gathered to

people."4

31:3 So Moses spoke to the people: "Arm5 men from among you for the
war, to go against the Midianites and to execute6 the vengeance of

Lord on Midian. 31:4 You must send to the battle a thousand men

every tribe throughout all the tribes of Israel."7 31:5 So a

from every tribe, twelve thousand armed for war in all, were

out of the thousands of Israel.

Campaign Against the Midianites

31:6 So Moses sent them to the war, one thousand from every tribe,

Phinehas son of Eleazar the priest, who was in charge8 of the holy
articles9 and the signal trumpets in his hand. 31:7 They fought

the Midianites, as the Lord commanded Moses, and they killed every
male.10 31:8 They killed the kings of Midian in addition to those
slain--Evi, Rekem, Zur, Hur, and Reba--five Midianite kings.11 They
also killed Balaam son of Beor with the sword.12

31:9 The Israelites took the women of Midian captives along with

little ones, and took all their herds, all their flocks, and all

goods as plunder. 31:10 They burned13 all their towns14 that they

inhabited and all their encampments. 31:11 They took all the

and all the spoils, both people and animals. 31:12 They brought the
captives and the spoils and the plunder to Moses, to Eleazar the
priest, and to the Israelite community, to the camp on the steppes

Moab, along the Jordan River15 across from Jericho.16 31:13 Moses,
Eleazar the priest, and all the leaders of the community went out

meet them outside the camp.

The Death of the Midianite Women

31:14 But Moses was furious with the officers of the army, the
commanders over thousands and commanders over hundreds, who had

from service in the war. 31:15 Moses said to them, "Have you

all the women to live?17 31:16 Look, these people through the

of Balaam caused the Israelites to act treacherously against the

in the matter of Peor--and there was the plague among the community

the Lord. 31:17 Now therefore kill every boy,18 and kill every

who has had sexual intercourse with a man.19 31:18 But all the

women20 who have not had sexual intercourse with a man21 will be
yours.22

Purification After Battle

31:19 "Any of you who has killed anyone or touched any of the dead,
remain outside the camp for seven days; purify yourselves and your
captives on the third day, and on the seventh day. 31:20 You must
purify each garment and everything that is made of skin, everything
made of goat's hair, and everything made of wood."23

31:21 Then Eleazar the priest said to the men of war who had gone

the battle, "This is the ordinance of the law that the Lord

Moses: 31:22 'Only the gold, the silver, the bronze, the iron, the

and the lead, 31:23 everything that may stand the fire, you are to

through the fire,24 and it will be clean, but then it must be

with the waters of impurity. Anything that cannot withstand the

you must pass through the water. 31:24 You must wash your clothes

the seventh day, and you will be clean, and afterward you may come

the camp.'"

The Distribution of Spoils

31:25 Then the Lord spoke to Moses: 31:26 "You and Eleazar the

and all the family heads of the community, take the sum25 of the
plunder that was captured, both people and animals. 31:27 Divide

plunder into two parts, one for those who took part in the war, who
went out to battle, and the other for all the community.

31:28 "You must exact26 a tribute for the Lord from the men of war

went out to battle: one life out of five hundred, from the people,

cattle, and from the donkeys and the sheep. 31:29 You are to take

from their half-share and give it to Eleazar the priest for a

offering to the Lord. 31:30 From the Israelites' half-share you are

take one portion out of fifty of the people, the cattle, the

and the sheep--from every kind of animal--and you are to give them

the Levites, who are responsible for the care of the tabernacle of

Lord."

31:31 So Moses and Eleazar the priest did as the Lord commanded

31:32 The spoil that remained of the plunder which the men27 of war

gathered28 was 675,000 sheep, 31:33 72,000 cattle, 31:34 61,000
donkeys, 31:35 and 32,000 women who had never had sexual

with a man.29

31:36 The half-portion of those who went to war numbered 337,500

31:37 the Lord's tribute from the sheep was 675. 31:38 The cattle
numbered30 36,000; the Lord's tribute was 72. 31:39 The donkeys

30,500, of which the Lord's tribute was 61. 31:40 The people were
16,000, of which the Lord's tribute was 32 people.31

31:41 So Moses gave the tribute, which was the Lord's raised

to Eleazar the priest, as the Lord commanded Moses.

31:42 From the Israelites' half-share that Moses had separated from

warriors,32 31:43 there were 337,500 sheep from the portion

to the community, 31:44 36,000 cattle, 31:45 30,500 donkeys, 31:46

16,000 people.

31:47 From the Israelites' share Moses took one of every fifty

and animals and gave them to the Levites who were responsible for

care of the tabernacle of the Lord, as the Lord commanded Moses.

31:48 Then the officers who were over the thousands of the army,

commanders over thousands and the commanders over hundreds,

Moses 31:49 and said to him,33 "Your servants have taken a count34

the men who were in the battle, who were under our authority,35 and

one is missing. 31:50 So we have brought for an offering for the

what each man found: gold ornaments, armlets, bracelets, signet

earrings, and necklaces, to make atonement for ourselves36 before

Lord."37 31:51 Moses and Eleazar the priest took the gold from

all of it fashioned into ornaments. 31:52 All the gold of the

they had offered up to the Lord from the commanders of thousands

the commanders of hundreds weighed 16,750 shekels.38 31:53 Each

had taken plunder for himself. 31:54 So Moses and Eleazar the

received the gold from the commanders of thousands and commanders39

hundreds and brought it into the tent of meeting as a memorial40

the Israelites before the Lord.

[end quote]

Yeah, Twain mentions it in his Letters From the Earth but it's such

great story to destroy such pompous ideas that the Bible is a book

"high morals." How can *any* Christian square this story away with
being the same "loving" God that's supposed to be Jesus? Most

people would have excised such garbage as bad public relations for

supposed all loving deity.

It seems you think much too highly of man.

We are all sinners and deserving of God's moral wrath.

It seems you think much too highly of man.

We are all sinners and deserving of God's moral wrath. It is only by His

lovng and incomprehensible mercy that you or I are allowed to take that next
breath. God has offered redemption for man through the sacrifice of Jesus

Christ. You may not understand that, but how can any man understand the
mind of God?!

God says that He will confound the minds of the wise with simple truths.

Open your mind, allow God to talk to your inner spirit. He will if you

approach him with sincerity. You obviously are an intelligent person as
evidenced by your writing. God has more for you. He offers you salvation.

Not some formal, ceremonial thing, but personal salvation. I have been
unsaved, and I have doubted.
God has converted me. The inner peace is something beyond words, beyond
human reasoning. The destiny of my soul is assured. Is yours?

May Almighty God touch you with His perfect love ...

Kirk


"Rump Ranger" <buttpirate@fadmail.com> wrote in message
news:1106233848.589660.214250@c13g2000cwb.googlegroups.com...

Why do you Christians keep talking about God's word and morality being
eternal and the pinnacle of rightousness when according to the Bible he
instigated so many atrocities? Looking at the universe only two
conclusions can be drawn about God in regards to us (assuming if it
even exists, a major proposition which nobody can prove):

1. God doesn't give much of a ***** about humanity so there's no point
in giving much of a crap about it.

or

2. The Judeo-Christian God of the Bible is the worst criminal to ever
exist. Consider this prime example from the book of Numbers:

How else can you explain the fact that he supported genocide of the
Midianites and having the 32000 surviving virgins (who were obviously
grieving the loss of their families and were violated by having their
vaginas inspected to see if the hymen was intact against their will)
sold into sex slavery? Is that moral?

Text from the Book of Numbers for all you thumpers to consider:

[quote]

http://www.bible.org/netbible2/index.php?header=&book=num&chapter=31

The Midianite War

31:11 The Lord spoke to Moses: 31:2 "Exact vengeance2 for the
Israelites on the Midianites3--after that you will be gathered to your
people."4

31:3 So Moses spoke to the people: "Arm5 men from among you for the
war, to go against the Midianites and to execute6 the vengeance of the
Lord on Midian. 31:4 You must send to the battle a thousand men from
every tribe throughout all the tribes of Israel."7 31:5 So a thousand
from every tribe, twelve thousand armed for war in all, were provided
out of the thousands of Israel.

Campaign Against the Midianites

31:6 So Moses sent them to the war, one thousand from every tribe, with
Phinehas son of Eleazar the priest, who was in charge8 of the holy
articles9 and the signal trumpets in his hand. 31:7 They fought against
the Midianites, as the Lord commanded Moses, and they killed every
male.10 31:8 They killed the kings of Midian in addition to those
slain--Evi, Rekem, Zur, Hur, and Reba--five Midianite kings.11 They
also killed Balaam son of Beor with the sword.12

31:9 The Israelites took the women of Midian captives along with their
little ones, and took all their herds, all their flocks, and all their
goods as plunder. 31:10 They burned13 all their towns14 that they had
inhabited and all their encampments. 31:11 They took all the plunder
and all the spoils, both people and animals. 31:12 They brought the
captives and the spoils and the plunder to Moses, to Eleazar the
priest, and to the Israelite community, to the camp on the steppes of
Moab, along the Jordan River15 across from Jericho.16 31:13 Moses,
Eleazar the priest, and all the leaders of the community went out to
meet them outside the camp.

The Death of the Midianite Women

31:14 But Moses was furious with the officers of the army, the
commanders over thousands and commanders over hundreds, who had come
from service in the war. 31:15 Moses said to them, "Have you allowed
all the women to live?17 31:16 Look, these people through the counsel
of Balaam caused the Israelites to act treacherously against the Lord
in the matter of Peor--and there was the plague among the community of
the Lord. 31:17 Now therefore kill every boy,18 and kill every woman
who has had sexual intercourse with a man.19 31:18 But all the young
women20 who have not had sexual intercourse with a man21 will be
yours.22

Purification After Battle

31:19 "Any of you who has killed anyone or touched any of the dead,
remain outside the camp for seven days; purify yourselves and your
captives on the third day, and on the seventh day. 31:20 You must
purify each garment and everything that is made of skin, everything
made of goat's hair, and everything made of wood."23

31:21 Then Eleazar the priest said to the men of war who had gone into
the battle, "This is the ordinance of the law that the Lord commanded
Moses: 31:22 'Only the gold, the silver, the bronze, the iron, the tin,
and the lead, 31:23 everything that may stand the fire, you are to pass
through the fire,24 and it will be clean, but then it must be purified
with the waters of impurity. Anything that cannot withstand the fire
you must pass through the water. 31:24 You must wash your clothes on
the seventh day, and you will be clean, and afterward you may come into
the camp.'"

The Distribution of Spoils

31:25 Then the Lord spoke to Moses: 31:26 "You and Eleazar the priest,
and all the family heads of the community, take the sum25 of the
plunder that was captured, both people and animals. 31:27 Divide the
plunder into two parts, one for those who took part in the war, who
went out to battle, and the other for all the community.

31:28 "You must exact26 a tribute for the Lord from the men of war who
went out to battle: one life out of five hundred, from the people, the
cattle, and from the donkeys and the sheep. 31:29 You are to take it
from their half-share and give it to Eleazar the priest for a raised
offering to the Lord. 31:30 From the Israelites' half-share you are to
take one portion out of fifty of the people, the cattle, the donkeys,
and the sheep--from every kind of animal--and you are to give them to
the Levites, who are responsible for the care of the tabernacle of the
Lord."

31:31 So Moses and Eleazar the priest did as the Lord commanded Moses.
31:32 The spoil that remained of the plunder which the men27 of war had
gathered28 was 675,000 sheep, 31:33 72,000 cattle, 31:34 61,000
donkeys, 31:35 and 32,000 women who had never had sexual intercourse
with a man.29

31:36 The half-portion of those who went to war numbered 337,500 sheep;
31:37 the Lord's tribute from the sheep was 675. 31:38 The cattle
numbered30 36,000; the Lord's tribute was 72. 31:39 The donkeys were
30,500, of which the Lord's tribute was 61. 31:40 The people were
16,000, of which the Lord's tribute was 32 people.31

31:41 So Moses gave the tribute, which was the Lord's raised offering,
to Eleazar the priest, as the Lord commanded Moses.

31:42 From the Israelites' half-share that Moses had separated from the
warriors,32 31:43 there were 337,500 sheep from the portion belonging
to the community, 31:44 36,000 cattle, 31:45 30,500 donkeys, 31:46 and
16,000 people.

31:47 From the Israelites' share Moses took one of every fifty people
and animals and gave them to the Levites who were responsible for the
care of the tabernacle of the Lord, as the Lord commanded Moses.

31:48 Then the officers who were over the thousands of the army, the
commanders over thousands and the commanders over hundreds, approached
Moses 31:49 and said to him,33 "Your servants have taken a count34 of
the men who were in the battle, who were under our authority,35 and not
one is missing. 31:50 So we have brought for an offering for the Lord
what each man found: gold ornaments, armlets, bracelets, signet rings,
earrings, and necklaces, to make atonement for ourselves36 before the
Lord."37 31:51 Moses and Eleazar the priest took the gold from them,
all of it fashioned into ornaments. 31:52 All the gold of the offering
they had offered up to the Lord from the commanders of thousands and
the commanders of hundreds weighed 16,750 shekels.38 31:53 Each soldier
had taken plunder for himself. 31:54 So Moses and Eleazar the priest
received the gold from the commanders of thousands and commanders39 of
hundreds and brought it into the tent of meeting as a memorial40 for
the Israelites before the Lord.

[end quote]

Yeah, Twain mentions it in his Letters From the Earth but it's such a
great story to destroy such pompous ideas that the Bible is a book of
"high morals." How can *any* Christian square this story away with
being the same "loving" God that's supposed to be Jesus? Most *smart*
people would have excised such garbage as bad public relations for a
supposed all loving deity.
http://www.infidels.org/library/modern/bill_schultz/criminal-god.html